History YMMV / FireEmblemThracia776

*** After the release of ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia]]'', Leif has become the least known and popular Lord since the previous title holders were actually Alm and Celica, and the remake clearly made them more popular. Thankfully, due to gaining more popularity via ''Heroes'', Leif had since passed this dubious honor down to [[VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors Rowan and Lianna]], both of who became more obscure over the years due to how long the twins had gone without any further appearances beyond their debut and how a majority of fans forget their existence.

*** [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar The previous game]] already had some people decide that between the [[WildHair hedgehog haircut]] and his not very convincing attempts to act adult and mature he was more {{Adorkable}} than anything else. When this game gave him below-average growth rates (when they were some of the best in the previous one) and highlighted his [[LeeroyJenkins strategic]] [[AttackAttackAttack errors]], he quickly became a synonym for a disappointing Lord character. He isn't even the only unit capable of wielding the [[SwordOfPlotAdvancement Bragi Sword]]!

*** Yet again, Leif finds himself upstages in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage''', where not only is he one of the weakest Emblem rings in the game, but Olwen is inarguably the strongest and most desired bond ring, with many players joking about how she is the actual ''Thracia'' Emblem. It seems poor Leif will never escape the shadow of Dire Thunder.

* MemeticMutation:
** The numbers "776" have become something resembling an ArcNumber in the fanbase, with a particularly common joke being that, given the game's obscurity, it refers to Thracia's 776 fans. Another common variant is "explaining" what happened to ''Thracia 1'' through ''Thracia 775''.
** In a tongue in cheek sort of way, ironically calling Thracia 776 the ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' of Fire Emblem/Strategy games.
** Marty is '''[[ManlyGay The Man Whom Dagdar Loved]]'''[[labelnote:Explanation]]An accurate translation of Marty's ending. Expect this to be said every time Marty or Dagdar are discussed.[[/labelnote]]
** MARTY PARTY [[labelnote: Explanation]]Marty is generally considered one of the game's worst characters, but he's also in a game that provides a lot of ways for weak units to catch up. Because of this, some {{Lets Play}}s ended up going out of their way to make him useful (usually by handing him a pile of Crusader Scrolls), leading to him becoming something of a people's favorite.[[/labelnote]]
** '''PUGIPUGIPUGIPUGIPUGI''' etc.[[labelnote: Explanation]]The Pugi is an overpowered weapon obtained in the first chapter, and the fandom loves it, with the phrase in question meant to hype the hell out of it. This may be on the way to grave due to Project Exile changing its name to 'Bhuj' and '''BHUJBHUJBHUJBHUJBHUJBHUJBHUJBHUJBHUJ''' (or ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'' with 'Vouge' and '''VOUGEVOUGEVOUGEVOUGEVOUGEVOUGEVOUGEVOUGE'''), although doesn't look like it's going to give the same hype effect, so people might insist on using the term 'Pugi' solely due to the meme effect.[[/labelnote]]
** Curse of Thracia[[labelnote:Explanation]]The fact that of all the various translation projects for this game, none of them got finished. Finally broken with Cirosan's "Project Exile" that was finally finished.[[/labelnote]]
** American Kempf[[labelnote:Explanation]]It all began with the old translation of Kempf ending one of his lines with the memetic [[WebVideo/YugiohTheAbridgedSeries "In America!"]] (See FountainOfMemes above). As ''Fire Emblem'' grew and we're also introduced with a more honest American superhero pastiche ([[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Arthur]]) and then Kempf getting included into ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'', finally bringing international exposure to Kempf ([[MemeticMutation in America!]])... all of the sudden, you get to see Kempf being surrounded with the American flag like he's a patriotic parody of Type 2 {{Eagleland}} characters ([[DontExplainTheJoke if you care to split hairs]], Kempf is Freegian, [[FakeNationality not American]]).[[/labelnote]]
** Memes about the old shaya translation:
*** [[https://i.redd.it/fd56aqiuqfd21.png , TF?rururu]] written exactly like that.
*** [[https://feuniverse.us/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f55e8dfdfc875734b0d7cbde0ef4c4aa29c3ad2e.png This one especially]].
*** Calling defense "danc" and attack "swa."
** "ATTENTION, ALL THRACIA 776 GAMERS."[[labelnote:Explanation]][[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwx0yugaAGw A parody of a similar meme]] based on ''VideoGame/{{Fortnite}}'', which involved Pete Accetturo declaring that "Reinhardt has [[TotallyRadical EPICALLY]] taken children from Manster hostage!"[[/labelnote]]

*** After the release of ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia]]'', Leif has become the least known and popular Lord since the previous title holders were actually Alm and Celica, and the remake clearly made them more popular.

* AssPull: At the final chapter, [[TheCameo Manfroy]] casually mentions [[spoiler:Quan's death (Leif's father) was in reality oncherstated by Veld himself via leaking information from Quan's movements in the Aed Desert to Travant]]. Given this reveal comes pretty much out of nowhere and that [[spoiler:after petrifying Eyvel, Veld has been absent for nearly 90% of the story]], many players feel this is a very cheap attempt to [[spoiler:make the player [[HateSink hate Veld even more]] while trying to make up for his lack of screentime]]. They also feel it takes away from [[spoiler:Travant as a villain, since rather than him killing Quan and Ethlyn entirely on his own terms, the reveal makes him come off as yet another pawn of the Loptr Church]].

** Canis, who appears if Sara is dead or unrecruited, is seen as by far the hardest boss in the game, which is funny when she isn't technically the boss of her map. She's a Sage, which is not a good thing when she's also sitting on a +10 Magic tile, making her borderline immune to status staves unless you boost up like crazy. You have to fight her in a very cramped room, and kill a rather tough Dark Mage blocking the way to her, which limits the units who can face her. Capped Magic and Skill with extremely high Speed makes her dangerous at first glance. But most importantly, her skill and weapon setup is absolutely ''maddening'': she has Wrath to make player-phase attacks borderline suicide, Nosferatu to LifeDrain anyone who even tries it and undo their efforts, Adept to ensure she ''definitely'' kills them, and Miracle so that even if you do manage to land a killing blow, she has a 39% chance to just ignore it. Oh, and unlike Reinhardt, who can be skipped or ignored without much issue, if you decide to leave Canis for last while you handle the other Deadlords, she whips out her Berserk Staff and has your units start killing each other, meaning she practically has to be killed first. Players have been known to train up Mareeta or Troude solely because their access to Nihil allows them to turn off Canis's skills and make her much more manageable.

** Carrion as a unit is very controversial. He has a lot going for him such as being able to switch between two weapon types, (which is rare for unpromoted units in ''Thracia'') high growths, a movement star and a high PCC, but it's all hampered by his abysmal starting stats and weapon ranks. This leads to a divide on just how much he's worth using by more hardcore players.

** Canis/Elf is seen as by far the hardest boss in the game, which is funny when she isn't technically the boss of her map. She's a Sage, which is not a good thing when she's also sitting on a +10 Magic tile, making her borderline immune to status staves unless you boost up like crazy. You have to fight her in a very cramped room, and kill a rather tough Dark Mage blocking the way to her, which limits the units who can face her. Capped Magic and Skill with extremely high Speed makes her dangerous at first glance. But most importantly, her skill and weapon setup is absolutely ''maddening'': she has Wrath to make player-phase attacks borderline suicide, Nosferatu to LifeDrain anyone who even tries it and undo their efforts, Adept to ensure she ''definitely'' kills them, and Miracle so that even if you do manage to land a killing blow, she has a 39% chance to just ignore it. Oh, and unlike Reinhardt, who can be skipped or ignored without much issue, if you decide to leave Canis for last while you handle the other Deadlords, she whips out her Berserk Staff and has your units start killing each other, meaning she practically has to be killed first. Players have been known to train up Mareeta or Troude solely because their access to Nihil allows them to turn off Canis's skills and make her much more manageable.

** Dismounting. Mounted units specializing only in Lances or Axes spontaneously losing their ability to use their WeaponOfChoice and being forced to use Swords when they get off a horse is completely illogical. While this mechanic also appeared in ''Mystery of the Emblem'', it is not as debilitating there as that game doesn't have the Weapon Triangle and uses the Weapon Level system, which applies to all weapon types instead of having separate ranks for each weapon. While Warriors and Heroes can still use Axes indoors, Lances have no such luxury, as there are only two units who can use Lances indoors (Xavier and a promoted Dalsin), and they both start out with an E rank in them. It makes that weapon type BetterOffSold in the later chapters.

** If Olwen is given the Vantage skill and she is equipped with 2x times attack Dire Thunder tomes and is receiving Charm/Support bonuses, she is pretty much invincible unless she faces any enemy with a % chance to deflect or avoid an attack in its totality.
*** The issues when facing %skills can be avoided if you give Olwen the Nihil scroll. If her stats are high enough, then just sit and watch her wipe out her brother's army in chapter 22 with little to no effort.

* MemeticBadass: Osian, since he wields the '''[[GameBreaker Pugi/Bhuj/Vouge]]'''.

** Pavise blocking all damage (Level % based) and Capturing an enemy is somewhat a scrappy mechanic itself (all stats minus luck, Hp, and build are halved during the process of capturing an enemy).

* ThatOneBoss: Any boss becomes That One whenever Saias is on the field. He has a whopping 10 Leadership Stars, giving +30 Accuracy and Avoid to ''every enemy on the map''. He himself can also pelt you with StatusEffects like Sleep and Berserk from anywhere on the map, on top of making it harder to hit and avoid everything. Fortunately, he never stays for the entire duration of a chapter, and only appears in a few chapters. It's also possible to scare him off by [[OutsideTheBoxTactic using Warp to send someone past a certain map threshold that triggers an event to make him leave]].
** Special mention must be made to Reinhardt. Not only does he appear in a chapter with Saias and his absurd Leadership boost (though he leaves eventually), he's got his own Leadership stars, he's on a horse, carries two different weapons that attack twice consecutively, and also has Pavise (a skill normally assigned to ''heavily-armored bosses'') so he has a 20% chance to make your attack a NoSell. [[SerialEscalation Furthermore]], he also has Vantage (which in this game has no HP threshold, so he will ''always'' attack first, and thanks to carrying Dire Thunder and Master Sword, he will always attack you ''twice'' before you get to hit him), meaning he attacks first even if ''you'' initiate combat. He also has a whopping ''five movement stars'' so he's got a rather high (25%) chance to ''move and attack twice in one turn''. If he whips out his Master Sword, expect him to beat whichever unlucky unit to a bloody pulp because he has both Adept (Attack Speed% chance to attack again, which given his Master Sword being a brave weapon, is a rather high chance to proc) and Accost (If HP and Attack Speed exceed opponent's, extend combat, giving him another round to beat up your unit), and Naga help you if he doubles your units, because he has a FCM of 2, making it more likely for him to [[CriticalHit crit]] your units into oblivion. There's a reason he's considered an SNKBoss.
*** He is so [[SNKBoss outrageously cheap]] that a village in the same chapter gives you a Warp staff, which can be taken as unsubtle nod from the developers that you're better off ''not'' fighting him and taking a shortcut to beat the chapter.

* VindicatedByHistory: For most of its lifespan, ''Thracia'' was mostly only remembered as "the really bullshit one," and though still one of the worst-selling and least well-known games in the franchise, ''Thracia'''s reputation amongst the fanbase has grown with time. Significantly improved translations and greater awareness of its mechanics made it much more approachable, as did recognition of the things it established in the franchise. Discussions of ''Thracia'' today tend to focus much less on its NintendoHard nature, and more on its impressively successful GameplayAndStoryIntegration, its great replayability, its surprisingly good unit balance, and its mechanics being incredibly fun to abuse. This is particularly evident with Leif, who went from being seen as one of the worst Lords in the series to being seen as one of the best examples of how to design one without simply making them into a killing machine.

** The Fiana Militia are referred to as the [[AlliterativeName Fiana Freeblades]] in ''Awakening'', which many think sounds much cooler. Othin [[SpellMyNameWithAnS being spelled as]] "Orsin", meaning "bear", [[MeaningfulName is also an improvement.]]
*** Sadly averted in the ''Fire Emblem Heroes'' Choose Your Legends poll, which renders Othin's name as "Osian."

* AssPull: At the final chapter, [[TheCameo Manfroy]] casually mentions [[spoiler:Quan's death (Leif's father) was in reality oncherstated by Veld himself via leaking information from Quan's movements in the Aed Desert to Travant]]. Given this reveal comes pretty much out of nowhere and that [[spoiler:after petrifying Eyvel, Veld has been absent for nearly 90% of the story]], many players feel this is a very cheap attempt to [[spoiler:make the player [[HateSink hate Veld even more]] while trying to make up for his lack of screentime]]. They also feel it takes away from [[spoiler:Travant as a villain, since rather than him killing Quan and Ethlyn entirely on his own terms, the reveal makes him come off as yet another pawn of the Loptr Sect]].

** Dismounting. Mounted units specializing only in Lances or Axes spontaneously losing their ability to use their WeaponOfChoice and being forced to use Swords when they get off a horse is completely illogical. While this mechanic also appeared in ''Mystery of the Emblem'', it is not as debilitating there as that game doesn't have the Weapon Triangle and uses the Weapon Level system, which applies to all weapon types instead of having separate ranks for each weapon. While Warriors and Heroes can still use Axes indoors, Lances have no such luxury, as there are only two units who can use Lances indoors (Xavier and a promoted Dalsin), and they both start out with an E rank in them. It makes that weapon type glorified VendorTrash in the later chapters.

** Status staves in general. While still useful in the later entries, they were hampered by the reduced staff range and [[TooAwesomeToUse limited uses]]. Here, most staves beyond the basic ones have infinite range, and they can be easily stolen from enemy units. The various Warp and Rewarp staves you can get allow warp-skipping to ludicrous degrees, allowing a player to abuse InstantWinCondition to get around some of the more difficult chapters.

** The various warp and rewarp staves you can get allow warp-skipping to ludicrous degrees, allowing a player to abuse InstantWinCondition to get around some of the more difficult chapters.

** You aren't allowed to reposition units before entering battle. The order in which they're deployed is based on their position in the unit selection screen, which is determined by the order of selection from the *previous* chapter. While generally a non-issue, a few chapters towards the end of the game forcibly splits your party members into generally less than ideal positions.

** You aren't allowed to reposition units before entering battle. The order in which they're deployed is based on their position in the unit selection screen, and units selected for one chapter appear at the top of the selection screen for the next chapter.

** Special mention must be made to Reinhardt. Not only does he appear in a chapter with Saias and his absurd Leadership boost (though he leaves eventually), he's got his own Leadership stars, he's on a horse, carries two different weapons that attack twice consecutively, and also has Pavise (a skill normally assigned to ''heavily-armored bosses'' so he has a 20% chance to make your attack a NoSell. [[SerialEscalation Furthermore]], he also has Vantage (which in this game has no HP threshold, so he will ''always'' attack first, and thanks to carrying Dire Thunder and Master Sword, he will always attack you ''twice'' before you get to hit him), meaning he attacks first even if ''you'' initiate combat. He also has a whopping ''five movement stars'' so he's got a rather high (25%) chance to ''move and attack twice in one turn''. If he whips out his Master Sword, expect him to beat whichever unlucky unit to a bloody pulp because he has both Adept (Attack Speed% chance to attack again, which given his Master Sword being a brave weapon, is a rather high chance to proc) and Accost (If HP and Attack Speed exceed opponent's, extend combat, giving him another round to beat up your unit), and Naga help you if he doubles your units, because he has a FCM of 2, making it more likely for him to [[CriticalHit crit]] your units into oblivion. There's a reason he's considered an SNKBoss.

** Special mention must be made to Reinhardt. Not only does he appear in a chapter with Saias and his absurd Leadership boost (though he leaves eventually), he's got his own Leadership stars, he's on a horse, carries two different weapons that attack twice consecutively, and also has Big Shield so he has a 20% chance to make your attack a NoSell. [[SerialEscalation Furthermore]], he also has Vantage (which in this game has no HP threshold, so he will ''always'' attack first, and thanks to carrying Dire Thunder and Master Sword, he will always attack you ''twice'' before you get to hit him), meaning he attacks first even if ''you'' initiate combat. He also has a whopping ''five movement stars'' so he's got a rather high (25%) chance to ''move and attack twice in one turn''. If he whips out his Master Sword, expect him to beat whichever unlucky unit to a bloody pulp because he has both Adept (Attack Speed% chance to attack again, which given his Master Sword being a brave weapon, is a rather high chance to proc) and Accost (If HP and Attack Speed exceed opponent's, extend combat, giving him another round to beat up your unit), and Naga help you if he doubles your units, because he has a FCM of 2, making it more likely for him to [[CriticalHit crit]] your units into oblivion. There's a reason he's considered an SNKBoss.

* FountainOfMemes: Kempf. The old translation patches gave him several pop-culture based lines, even including a ShoutOut to [[WebVideo/YugiohTheAbridgedSeries Abridged Bandit Keith]] ("Those idiots have fallen to my trap! [[VerbalTic In America!]]) or insulting Olwen with this gem: "What are you going to do, kill me? ''Stupid bitch.''" Because of this, Kempf became ''noteworthy'' for memetic reasons (aside of coining the 'self-important vain evil general of the empire' type of characters), expect either '(In) America' or 'Stupid Bitch' jokes attached to Kempf... and even more so after he was confirmed for ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'' in the beginning of Book IV, since it was [[MarthDebutedInSmashBros his first official exposure...]] [[BrickJoke in America!]] Long story short, Kempf used to be ''Thracia 776'''s meme man himself... until Reinhardt's ''Heroes'' incarnation usurped that from him, just to add up reasons why Kempf is pissed and jealous at Reinhardt.

* ThatOneBoss: Any boss becomes That One whenever Saias is on the field. He has a whopping 10 Leadership Stars, giving +30 Accuracy and Avoid to ''every enemy on the map''. He himself can also pelt you with StandardStatusEffects like Sleep and Berserk from anywhere on the map, on top of making it harder to hit and avoid everything. Fortunately, he never stays for the entire duration of a chapter, and only appears in a few chapters. It's also possible to scare him off by [[OutsideTheBoxTactic using Warp to send someone past a certain map threshold that triggers an event to make him leave]].

* AssPull: At the final chapter, [[TheCameo Manfroy]] casually mentions [[spoiler:Quan's death (Leif's father) was in reality oncherstated by Veld himself via leaking information from Quan's movements in the Aed Desert to Travant]]. Given this reveal comes pretty much out of nowhere and that [[spoiler:after petrifying Eyvel, Veld has been absent for nearly 90% of the story]], many players feel this is a very cheap attempt to [[spoiler:make the player [[HateSink hate Veld even more]] while trying to make up for his lack of screentime]]. They also feel it takes away from [[spoiler:Travant as a villain, since rather than him killing Quan and Ethlyn entirely on his terms, the reveal makes him come off as yet another pawn of the Loptr Sect]].

* AssPull: At the final chapter, [[TheCameo Manfroy]] casually mentions [[spoiler:Quan's death (Leif's father) was in reality oncherstated by Veld himself via leaking information from Quan's movements in the Aed Desert to Travant]]. Given this reveal comes pretty much out of nowhere and that [[spoiler:after petryfing Eyvel, Veld has been absent for nearly 90% of the story]], many players feel this is a very cheap attempt to [[spoiler:make the player [[HateSink hate Veld even more]] while trying to make up for his lack of screentime]].

* AntiClimaxBoss: The final boss is widely considered to be the most ''pathetic'' final boss in the franchise. Most other final bosses can be one-shotted because the character (often the main character or someone with a special weapon, i.e. Julia in ''Genealogy'' and Tiki or Nagi in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Shadow Dragon]]'') has a weapon that almost doubles the damage done to them and bypasses defense entirely. Veld ([[SpellMyNameWithAnS Beldo/Berdo/Beld/Veld]]), meanwhile... is practically just an [[EliteMooks upgraded Mook]]. You can literally take him out without even ''using'' a special weapon or having Leif lay a finger on him. There is literally nothing stopping you from having a thief yoink his weapons out from under his nose and bonking him upside the head with your unpromoted level 1 Marty. It's kind of a disappointing end to a NintendoHard game.

* AntiClimaxBoss: The final boss is widely considered to be the most ''pathetic'' final boss in the franchise. Most other final bosses can be one-shotted because the character (often the main character or someone with a special weapon, i.e. Julia in ''Genealogy'' and Tiki or Nagi in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Shadow Dragon]]'') has a weapon that almost doubles the damage done to them and bypasses defense entirely. Veld ([[SpellMyNameWithAnS Beldo/Berdo/Beld]]), meanwhile... is practically just an [[EliteMooks upgraded Mook]]. You can literally take him out without even ''using'' a special weapon or having Leif lay a finger on him. There is literally nothing stopping you from having a thief yoink his weapons out from under his nose and bonking him upside the head with your unpromoted level 1 Marty. It's kind of a disappointing end to a NintendoHard game.

* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: People tend to dislike the game for its many {{Scrappy Mechanics}} without realizing just what a massive leap in complexity ''Thracia'' was over most prior entries. Pretty much every game in the series draws to some degree off mechanics established in ''Thracia'', from thief stealing to Constitution to automatic Lord promotion to the Rescue system to skill assignment to extra chapters to FogOfWar. In a lot of respects, it was less of an odd-one-out and more of a transitional game, and it laid a lot of the templates for both the GBA trilogy and the Tellius series. But when people go backward from those games, it ends up looking primitive and weird by comparison.

** Lifis. On one hand, you have players that are kind of okay being an amoral asshole instead of a LovableRogue to put emphasis on just how desperate Leif's band of merry men are to liberate Thracia and Leonster (as well as adding another emphasis on Reinhardt's flaw as explained in DracoInLeatherPants) and he added variety in the type of people you recruit. On the other hand, you have players who just plain hate him and think he's absolutely unforgivable for being an amoral asshole, and especially when the favors he blackmailed Safy with was basically 'sexual favors' and he's not planning to honor her request to start clean (to the point that some are okay of [[spoiler:letting him turn into a Deadlord]]). Lifis was basically close enough to be a proto-[[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Makalov]].

** Lifis. On one hand, you have players that are kind of okay being an amoral asshole instead of a LovableRogue to put emphasis on just how desperate Leif's band of merry men to liberate Thracia and Leonster (as well as adding another emphasis on Reinhardt's flaw as explained in DracoInLeatherPants) and he added variety in the type of people you recruit. On the other hand, you have players who just plain hate him and think he's absolutely unforgivable for being an amoral asshole, and especially when the favors he blackmailed Safy with was basically 'sexual favors' and he's not planning to honor her request to start clean (to the point that some are okay of [[spoiler:letting him turn into a Deadlord]]). Lifis was basically close enough to be a proto-[[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Makalov]].