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** The show being CutShort means that many episodes (especially the Patreon bonus ones) that had the hosts looking ahead or dreading post-April 1985 titles play as this now, because they will never get around to discussing them in full -- at least not together. Drew's appearances on the ''Screen Drafts'' podcast, in the Creator/JohnCarpenter and Creator/DavidCronenberg episodes, podcast have allowed him to discuss some of those directors' later '80s films in some depth, for instance.depth (i.e. works of Creator/StevenSpielberg, Creator/DavidCronenberg, and Creator/JohnCarpenter).
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* ArchivePanic: When finished, the show was supposed to have at least 131 regular episodes, some of which are 2 hours long, while the number of Patreon bonus episodes hit 50 in February 2019. One reason Drew and Scott did a ClipShow for Christmas 2018 was to provide an easy in for new listeners. Of course, they had to deal with this trope all the time; many regular episodes had them reviewing upwards of 20 movies. This ultimately contributed to the show's demise, as they could not keep up the pace and maintain their other jobs, etc. Even so, there were ultimately 70 regular episodes and most of the bonus episodes have since been uploaded to iTunes, so it still falls under this trope.
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** The show being CutShort means that many episodes (especially the Patreon bonus ones) that had the hosts looking ahead or dreading post-April 1985 titles play as this now, because they will never get around to discussing them in full.full -- at least not together. Drew's appearances on the ''Screen Drafts'' podcast, in the Creator/JohnCarpenter and Creator/DavidCronenberg episodes, allowed him to discuss some of those directors' later '80s films in some depth, for instance.
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** Scott explains in the July 1981 episode that he was a big Creator/DudleyMoore fan as a youth and is looking forward to revisiting his post-''Arthur'' films, though he also admits that none of them would be as good as that film. Cue Moore's next three films (''Six Weeks'', ''Lovesick'', and ''Romantic Comedy'') getting slammed hard by both him and Drew, and Scott groaning that after ''Romantic Comedy'' he doesn't want to see any more movies about Moore's romantic problems. Luckily they kinda liked the next one (the ''Film/UnfaithfullyYours'' remake), breaking the streak, and noted in that review that Moore probably was happy not to be asked to prop up subpar material singlehandedly in that case. And then they got to the aforementioned ''Best Defense''...
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** Scott explains in the July 1981 episode that he was a big Creator/DudleyMoore fan as a youth and is looking forward to revisiting his post-''Arthur'' films, though he also admits that none of them would be as good as that film. Cue Moore's next three films (''Six Weeks'', ''Lovesick'', and ''Romantic Comedy'') getting slammed hard by both him and Drew, and Scott groaning that after ''Romantic Comedy'' he doesn't want to see any more movies about Moore's romantic problems. Luckily they kinda liked the next one (the ''Film/UnfaithfullyYours'' remake), breaking the streak, and noted in that review that Moore probably was happy not to be asked to prop up subpar material singlehandedly in that case. And then they got to the aforementioned ''Best Defense''...Defense'' and ''Micki + Maude'', and things got worse.
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** Some episodes can become this when performers/creator discussed in negative terms die not long after their airing. In particular, Creator/BurtReynolds' death in September 2018 came on the heels of Drew and Scott having given negative and even stinging reviews to many of his films, including four in a row: ''Best Friends'' (December 1982), ''Film/StrokerAce'' (June 1983; to make matters worse, that movie's DudeShesLikeInAComa scene '''enraged''' Drew), ''Smokey and the Bandit 3'' (August 1983), and ''The Man Who Loved Women'' (December 1983). However, Drew and Scott pay tribute to such performers upon their passing and in the case of Reynolds (in the March 1984 episode) took time to make it clear they regard him as a talented actor and don’t hold his bad movies against him.
*** Screenwriter/producer Gloria Katz died within a week of the airing of the July 1984 episode which eviscerated ''Best Defense'', which she and and husband Willard Hyuck co-wrote (their best-known screenplays are ''Film/AmericanGraffiti'' and ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom''). That wouldn't have been so bad if Drew and Scott hadn't brought up that their next screenplay was THE BoxOfficeBomb of 1986, ''Film/HowardTheDuck'', and they had the flop ''Radioland Murders'' after that.
*** Screenwriter/producer Gloria Katz died within a week of the airing of the July 1984 episode which eviscerated ''Best Defense'', which she and and husband Willard Hyuck co-wrote (their best-known screenplays are ''Film/AmericanGraffiti'' and ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom''). That wouldn't have been so bad if Drew and Scott hadn't brought up that their next screenplay was THE BoxOfficeBomb of 1986, ''Film/HowardTheDuck'', and they had the flop ''Radioland Murders'' after that.
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: Averted. Drew and Scott take all animated features as seriously as live-action ones and demand high quality from even kiddie productions. They take quite a bit of offense at the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes ClipShow movies for mangling and exploiting the fine work of the original creators of the shorts. It helps that this ghetto didn't always apply in this decade, with its first half especially featuring several animated features that were definitely not aimed at kids.
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* ComedyGhetto: Averted -- while some of their harshest critiques are given to bad comedies, the hosts don't look down on the form. Most of their bonus commentary episodes are for films with a great deal of comic content, if they aren't straight-up comedies.
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** Averted. No movie is too popular or well-regarded to escape criticism on this show, and some iconic 1980s movies have been straight-up eviscerated by Drew and Scott, including ''Film/AnOfficerAndAGentleman'' (misogynistic), ''Film/{{Flashdance}}'' (an empty-headed crowd-pleaser that happened to be marketed in just the right way), ''Film/SuddenImpact'' (fascistic), and ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' (unmemorable characters on TheQuest with an ugly aesthetic to boot). Stray comments in both regular and bonus episodes also pointed to their having a LOT to say about ''Film/TheGoonies'', ''Film/TopGun'', and ''Film/FatalAttraction'' in future installments, and Drew shared an anecdote about getting into a ''physical fight'' over the merits or lack thereof of ''Film/Legend1985'' back in 1986 in their ''Film/BladeRunner'' discussion, but those episodes were never produced.
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* SciFiGhetto: Averted! Drew and Scott love "genre" films -- they've even made horror films and TV shows -- and are not ashamed to celebrate standout examples of horror, sci-fi, and fantasy. Also discussed:
** In the June 1983 episode's look at ''Film/SupermanIII'', as well as the fourth Viewer Mailbag bonus episode, Drew discusses how straight fantasy films were poorly-regarded and generally unpopular in this decade because studios/filmmakers simply did not have the means to realize them visually the way that horror, SpaceOpera, etc. could be. With regards to ''Superman'', there was no way to pull off grand comic book-style {{Superhero}} battles and villains, leaving the question "Who does he fight?" Moreover, producers, directors, and executives behind these films generally didn't grow up as fans of the characters being adapted, or worse looked down their noses at them, and thus didn't depict them in ways that fans appreciated. So the sequels ''and'' the ''Film/{{Supergirl}}'' spinoff have long stretches in which the protagonist is effectively depowered, while the villains ({{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, {{Evil Counterpart}}s with similar skill sets, a witch) are mundane when put up against what comics came up with. Scott comments in the ''Superman III'' discussion that even decent fantasy films of the '80s look primitive compared to what's been mounted since the TurnOfTheMillennium.
** Drew expounds on this further in July 1984 with regards to ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' -- few '80s fantasy films rose beyond ClicheStorm. Unless they compensated with SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome, SceneryPorn, and WorldBuilding to beat the band (as he feels ''Film/TheDarkCrystal'' does), they died up on the screen. He counts ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' and ''Film/ThePrincessBride'' as among the few fantasy films of the decade that actually had memorable characters and stories, and thus hold up today. In the next episode, Drew admits that he just hasn't enjoyed most "traditional" fantasy films he's seen over the years (i.e., HighFantasy) because they tend to end up as piles of wasted potential.
** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness or insanity]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered. On top of this, Rickey recalls asking her fellow reviewer at ''The Philadelphia Inquirer'' if she could be the one to attend the critics' screening of the film (as she is a huge Creator/DavidCronenberg fan) and thus handle the review. His response was [[ItWillNeverCatchOn "Oh, you can have it!"]]
** In the June 1983 episode's look at ''Film/SupermanIII'', as well as the fourth Viewer Mailbag bonus episode, Drew discusses how straight fantasy films were poorly-regarded and generally unpopular in this decade because studios/filmmakers simply did not have the means to realize them visually the way that horror, SpaceOpera, etc. could be. With regards to ''Superman'', there was no way to pull off grand comic book-style {{Superhero}} battles and villains, leaving the question "Who does he fight?" Moreover, producers, directors, and executives behind these films generally didn't grow up as fans of the characters being adapted, or worse looked down their noses at them, and thus didn't depict them in ways that fans appreciated. So the sequels ''and'' the ''Film/{{Supergirl}}'' spinoff have long stretches in which the protagonist is effectively depowered, while the villains ({{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, {{Evil Counterpart}}s with similar skill sets, a witch) are mundane when put up against what comics came up with. Scott comments in the ''Superman III'' discussion that even decent fantasy films of the '80s look primitive compared to what's been mounted since the TurnOfTheMillennium.
** Drew expounds on this further in July 1984 with regards to ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' -- few '80s fantasy films rose beyond ClicheStorm. Unless they compensated with SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome, SceneryPorn, and WorldBuilding to beat the band (as he feels ''Film/TheDarkCrystal'' does), they died up on the screen. He counts ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' and ''Film/ThePrincessBride'' as among the few fantasy films of the decade that actually had memorable characters and stories, and thus hold up today. In the next episode, Drew admits that he just hasn't enjoyed most "traditional" fantasy films he's seen over the years (i.e., HighFantasy) because they tend to end up as piles of wasted potential.
** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness or insanity]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered. On top of this, Rickey recalls asking her fellow reviewer at ''The Philadelphia Inquirer'' if she could be the one to attend the critics' screening of the film (as she is a huge Creator/DavidCronenberg fan) and thus handle the review. His response was [[ItWillNeverCatchOn "Oh, you can have it!"]]
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* ArchivePanic: When finished, the show will was supposed to have at least 131 regular episodes, some of which are 2 hours long, while the number of Patreon bonus episodes hit 50 in February 2019. One reason Drew and Scott did a ClipShow for Christmas 2018 was to provide an easy in for new listeners. Of course, they have had to deal with this trope all the time; many regular episodes have had them reviewing upwards of 20 movies. This was ''another'' reason ultimately contributed to the show's demise, as they took a break for a ClipShow, could not keep up the pace and later took a SeriesHiatus in mid-2019.maintain their other jobs, etc. Even so, there were ultimately 70 regular episodes, so it still falls under this trope.
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** Averted. No movie is too popular or well-regarded to escape criticism on this show, and some iconic 1980s movies have been straight-up eviscerated by Drew and Scott, including ''Film/AnOfficerAndAGentleman'' (misogynistic), ''Film/{{Flashdance}}'' (an empty-headed crowd-pleaser that happened to be marketed in just the right way), ''Film/SuddenImpact'' (fascistic), and ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' (unmemorable characters on TheQuest with an ugly aesthetic to boot). Stray comments in both regular and bonus episodes also point to their having a LOT to say about ''Film/TheGoonies'', ''Film/TopGun'', and ''Film/FatalAttraction'' in future installments, and Drew shares an anecdote about getting into a ''physical fight'' over the merits or lack thereof of ''Film/Legend1985'' back in 1986 in their ''Film/BladeRunner'' discussion.
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** Averted. No movie is too popular or well-regarded to escape criticism on this show, and some iconic 1980s movies have been straight-up eviscerated by Drew and Scott, including ''Film/AnOfficerAndAGentleman'' (misogynistic), ''Film/{{Flashdance}}'' (an empty-headed crowd-pleaser that happened to be marketed in just the right way), ''Film/SuddenImpact'' (fascistic), and ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' (unmemorable characters on TheQuest with an ugly aesthetic to boot). Stray comments in both regular and bonus episodes also point pointed to their having a LOT to say about ''Film/TheGoonies'', ''Film/TopGun'', and ''Film/FatalAttraction'' in future installments, and Drew shares shared an anecdote about getting into a ''physical fight'' over the merits or lack thereof of ''Film/Legend1985'' back in 1986 in their ''Film/BladeRunner'' discussion. discussion, but those episodes were never produced.
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* ArchivePanic: When finished, the show will have at least 131 regular episodes, some of which are 2 hours long, while the number of Patreon bonus episodes hit 50 in February 2019. One reason Drew and Scott did a ClipShow for Christmas 2018 was to provide an easy in for new listeners. Of course, they have to deal with this trope all the time; many regular episodes have them reviewing upwards of 20 movies. This was ''another'' reason they took a break for a ClipShow, and later took a brief SeriesHiatus in mid-2019.
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* ArchivePanic: When finished, the show will have at least 131 regular episodes, some of which are 2 hours long, while the number of Patreon bonus episodes hit 50 in February 2019. One reason Drew and Scott did a ClipShow for Christmas 2018 was to provide an easy in for new listeners. Of course, they have to deal with this trope all the time; many regular episodes have them reviewing upwards of 20 movies. This was ''another'' reason they took a break for a ClipShow!ClipShow, and later took a brief SeriesHiatus in mid-2019.
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* ArchivePanic: When finished, the show will have at least 131 regular episodes, some of which are 2 hours long, while the number of Patreon bonus episodes is already hit 50 in the double digits as of the end of 2018.February 2019. One reason Drew and Scott did a ClipShow for Christmas 2018 was to provide an easy in for new listeners. Of course, they have to deal with this trope all the time; many regular episodes have them reviewing upwards of 20 movies. This was ''another'' reason they took a break for a ClipShow!
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*** Screenwriter/producer Gloria Katz died within a week of the airing of the July 1984 episode which eviscerated ''Best Defense'', which she and and husband Willard Hyuck co-wrote (their best-known screenplays are ''Film/AmericanGraffiti'' and ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom''). That wouldn't have been so bad if Drew and Scott hadn't brought up that their next screenplay was THE BoxOfficeBomb of 1986, ''Film/HowardTheDuck'', and they had the flop ''Radioland Murders'' after that. As of the September 1984 episode, Katz has not been brought up (though this is probably because she isn't that significant a figure in cinema compared to Reynolds et.al.).
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*** Screenwriter/producer Gloria Katz died within a week of the airing of the July 1984 episode which eviscerated ''Best Defense'', which she and and husband Willard Hyuck co-wrote (their best-known screenplays are ''Film/AmericanGraffiti'' and ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom''). That wouldn't have been so bad if Drew and Scott hadn't brought up that their next screenplay was THE BoxOfficeBomb of 1986, ''Film/HowardTheDuck'', and they had the flop ''Radioland Murders'' after that. As of the September 1984 episode, Katz has not been brought up (though this is probably because she isn't that significant a figure in cinema compared to Reynolds et.al.).
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*** Screenwriter/producer Gloria Katz died within a week of the airing of the July 1984 episode which eviscerated ''Best Defense'', which she and and husband Willard Hyuck co-wrote (their best-known screenplays are ''Film/AmericanGraffiti'' and ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom''). That wouldn't have been so bad if Drew and Scott hadn't brought up that their next screenplay was THE BoxOfficeBomb of 1986, ''Film/HowardTheDuck'', and they had the flop ''Radioland Murders'' after that.
** Scott explains in the July 1981 episode that he was a big Creator/DudleyMoore fan as a youth and was looking forward to revisiting his post-''Arthur'' films, though he also admits that none of them would be as good as that film. Cue Moore's next three films (''Six Weeks'', ''Lovesick'', and ''Romantic Comedy'') getting slammed hard by both him and Drew, and Scott groaning that after ''Romantic Comedy'' he doesn't want to see any more movies about Moore's romantic problems. Luckily they kinda liked the next one (the ''Film/UnfaithfullyYours'' remake), breaking the streak, and noted in that review that Moore probably was happy not to be asked to prop up subpar material singlehandedly in that case. And then they got to the aforementioned ''Best Defense'', by which point Scott had to note to listeners that contrary to many of the characters he was playing by that point, Dudley Moore was not an awful human being!
** Scott explains in the July 1981 episode that he was a big Creator/DudleyMoore fan as a youth and was looking forward to revisiting his post-''Arthur'' films, though he also admits that none of them would be as good as that film. Cue Moore's next three films (''Six Weeks'', ''Lovesick'', and ''Romantic Comedy'') getting slammed hard by both him and Drew, and Scott groaning that after ''Romantic Comedy'' he doesn't want to see any more movies about Moore's romantic problems. Luckily they kinda liked the next one (the ''Film/UnfaithfullyYours'' remake), breaking the streak, and noted in that review that Moore probably was happy not to be asked to prop up subpar material singlehandedly in that case. And then they got to the aforementioned ''Best Defense'', by which point Scott had to note to listeners that contrary to many of the characters he was playing by that point, Dudley Moore was not an awful human being!
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*** Screenwriter/producer Gloria Katz died within a week of the airing of the July 1984 episode which eviscerated ''Best Defense'', which she and and husband Willard Hyuck co-wrote (their best-known screenplays are ''Film/AmericanGraffiti'' and ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom''). That wouldn't have been so bad if Drew and Scott hadn't brought up that their next screenplay was THE BoxOfficeBomb of 1986, ''Film/HowardTheDuck'', and they had the flop ''Radioland Murders'' after that.
that. As of the September 1984 episode, Katz has not been brought up (though this is probably because she isn't that significant a figure in cinema compared to Reynolds et.al.).
** Scott explains in the July 1981 episode that he was a big Creator/DudleyMoore fan as a youth andwas is looking forward to revisiting his post-''Arthur'' films, though he also admits that none of them would be as good as that film. Cue Moore's next three films (''Six Weeks'', ''Lovesick'', and ''Romantic Comedy'') getting slammed hard by both him and Drew, and Scott groaning that after ''Romantic Comedy'' he doesn't want to see any more movies about Moore's romantic problems. Luckily they kinda liked the next one (the ''Film/UnfaithfullyYours'' remake), breaking the streak, and noted in that review that Moore probably was happy not to be asked to prop up subpar material singlehandedly in that case. And then they got to the aforementioned ''Best Defense'', by which point Scott had to note to listeners that contrary to many of the characters he was playing by that point, Dudley Moore was not an awful human being!Defense''...
** Scott explains in the July 1981 episode that he was a big Creator/DudleyMoore fan as a youth and
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** In the June 1983 episode's look at ''Film/SupermanIII'', as well as the fourth Viewer Mailbag bonus episode, Drew discusses how straight fantasy films, such as {{Superhero}} fantasies, were poorly-regarded and generally unpopular in this decade because studios/filmmakers simply did not have the means to realize them visually the way that horror, SpaceOpera, etc. could be. With regards to ''Superman'', there was no way to pull off grand comic book-style {{Superhero}} battles and villains with special effects of the era, leaving the question "Who does he fight?" Moreover, the producers, directors, and executives behind these films generally didn't grow up as fans of the characters being adapted, or worse looked down their noses at them, and thus didn't depict them in ways that their fans appreciated. This is why all the sequels ''and'' the ''Film/{{Supergirl}}'' spinoff have long stretches in which the protagonist is effectively depowered, while the villains ({{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, {{Evil Counterpart}}s with similar skill sets, a witch) are mundane when put up against what comics came up with. Scott comments in the ''Superman III'' discussion that even decent fantasy films of the '80s look primitive compared to what's been mounted since the TurnOfTheMillennium.
** Drew expounds on this further in July 1984 with regards to ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' -- few '80s fantasy films rose beyond ClicheStorm in terms of their characters and stories. Unless they compensated with SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome, SceneryPorn, and WorldBuilding to beat the band (as he feels ''Film/TheDarkCrystal'' does), they died up on the screen. He counts ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' and ''Film/ThePrincessBride'' as among the few fantasy films of the decade that actually had memorable characters and stories, and thus hold up today. In the next episode, Drew admits that he just hasn't enjoyed most "traditional" fantasy films he's seen over the years (i.e., HighFantasy) because they tend to end up as piles of wasted potential.
** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered. On top of this, Rickey recalls the film's original release. When she asked her fellow reviewer at ''The Philadelphia Inquirer'' if she could be the one to attend the critics' screening of the film (as she is a huge Creator/DavidCronenberg fan) and thus handle the review, his response was [[ItWillNeverCatchOn "Oh, you can have it!"]]
** Drew expounds on this further in July 1984 with regards to ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' -- few '80s fantasy films rose beyond ClicheStorm in terms of their characters and stories. Unless they compensated with SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome, SceneryPorn, and WorldBuilding to beat the band (as he feels ''Film/TheDarkCrystal'' does), they died up on the screen. He counts ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' and ''Film/ThePrincessBride'' as among the few fantasy films of the decade that actually had memorable characters and stories, and thus hold up today. In the next episode, Drew admits that he just hasn't enjoyed most "traditional" fantasy films he's seen over the years (i.e., HighFantasy) because they tend to end up as piles of wasted potential.
** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered. On top of this, Rickey recalls the film's original release. When she asked her fellow reviewer at ''The Philadelphia Inquirer'' if she could be the one to attend the critics' screening of the film (as she is a huge Creator/DavidCronenberg fan) and thus handle the review, his response was [[ItWillNeverCatchOn "Oh, you can have it!"]]
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** In the June 1983 episode's look at ''Film/SupermanIII'', as well as the fourth Viewer Mailbag bonus episode, Drew discusses how straight fantasy films, such as {{Superhero}} fantasies, films were poorly-regarded and generally unpopular in this decade because studios/filmmakers simply did not have the means to realize them visually the way that horror, SpaceOpera, etc. could be. With regards to ''Superman'', there was no way to pull off grand comic book-style {{Superhero}} battles and villains with special effects of the era, villains, leaving the question "Who does he fight?" Moreover, the producers, directors, and executives behind these films generally didn't grow up as fans of the characters being adapted, or worse looked down their noses at them, and thus didn't depict them in ways that their fans appreciated. This is why all appreciated. So the sequels ''and'' the ''Film/{{Supergirl}}'' spinoff have long stretches in which the protagonist is effectively depowered, while the villains ({{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, {{Evil Counterpart}}s with similar skill sets, a witch) are mundane when put up against what comics came up with. Scott comments in the ''Superman III'' discussion that even decent fantasy films of the '80s look primitive compared to what's been mounted since the TurnOfTheMillennium.
** Drew expounds on this further in July 1984 with regards to ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' -- few '80s fantasy films rose beyondClicheStorm in terms of their characters and stories.ClicheStorm. Unless they compensated with SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome, SceneryPorn, and WorldBuilding to beat the band (as he feels ''Film/TheDarkCrystal'' does), they died up on the screen. He counts ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' and ''Film/ThePrincessBride'' as among the few fantasy films of the decade that actually had memorable characters and stories, and thus hold up today. In the next episode, Drew admits that he just hasn't enjoyed most "traditional" fantasy films he's seen over the years (i.e., HighFantasy) because they tend to end up as piles of wasted potential.
** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminalillness]], illness or insanity]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered. On top of this, Rickey recalls the film's original release. When she asked asking her fellow reviewer at ''The Philadelphia Inquirer'' if she could be the one to attend the critics' screening of the film (as she is a huge Creator/DavidCronenberg fan) and thus handle the review, his review. His response was [[ItWillNeverCatchOn "Oh, you can have it!"]]
** Drew expounds on this further in July 1984 with regards to ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' -- few '80s fantasy films rose beyond
** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal
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** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered. On top of this, Rickey recalls the film's original release. When she asked her fellow reviewer at ''The Philadelphia Inquirer'' if she could be the one to attend the critics' screening of the film (as she is a huge Creator/DavidCronenberg fan) and thus handle the review, his response was [[ItWillNeverCatchOn "You can have it!"]]
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** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered. On top of this, Rickey recalls the film's original release. When she asked her fellow reviewer at ''The Philadelphia Inquirer'' if she could be the one to attend the critics' screening of the film (as she is a huge Creator/DavidCronenberg fan) and thus handle the review, his response was [[ItWillNeverCatchOn "You "Oh, you can have it!"]]
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*** Screenwriter/producer Gloria Katz died within a week of the airing of the July 1984 episode which eviscerated ''Best Defense'', which she and and husband William Huyck co-wrote (their best-known screenplays are ''Film/AmericanGraffiti'' and ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom''). That wouldn't have been so bad if Drew and Scott hadn't brought up that their next screenplay was THE BoxOfficeBomb of 1986, ''Film/HowardTheDuck'', and they had the flop ''Radioland Murders'' after that.
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*** Screenwriter/producer Gloria Katz died within a week of the airing of the July 1984 episode which eviscerated ''Best Defense'', which she and and husband William Huyck Willard Hyuck co-wrote (their best-known screenplays are ''Film/AmericanGraffiti'' and ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom''). That wouldn't have been so bad if Drew and Scott hadn't brought up that their next screenplay was THE BoxOfficeBomb of 1986, ''Film/HowardTheDuck'', and they had the flop ''Radioland Murders'' after that.
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** Averted. No movie is too popular or well-regarded to escape criticism on this show, and some iconic 1980s movies have been straight-up eviscerated by Drew and Scott, including ''Film/AnOfficerAndAGentleman'' (misogynistic), ''Film/{{Flashdance}}'' (an empty-headed crowd-pleaser that happened to be marketed in just the right way), ''Film/SuddenImpact'' (fascistic), and ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' (unmemorable characters on TheQuest with an ugly aesthetic to boot). Stray comments in both regular and bonus episodes also point to their having a LOT to say about ''Film/TheGoonies'', ''Film/TopGun'', and ''Film/FatalAttraction'' in future installments, and Drew shares an anecdote about getting into a ''physical fight'' over the merits or lack thereof of ''Film/{{Legend}}'' back in 1986 in their ''Film/BladeRunner'' discussion.
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** Averted. No movie is too popular or well-regarded to escape criticism on this show, and some iconic 1980s movies have been straight-up eviscerated by Drew and Scott, including ''Film/AnOfficerAndAGentleman'' (misogynistic), ''Film/{{Flashdance}}'' (an empty-headed crowd-pleaser that happened to be marketed in just the right way), ''Film/SuddenImpact'' (fascistic), and ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' (unmemorable characters on TheQuest with an ugly aesthetic to boot). Stray comments in both regular and bonus episodes also point to their having a LOT to say about ''Film/TheGoonies'', ''Film/TopGun'', and ''Film/FatalAttraction'' in future installments, and Drew shares an anecdote about getting into a ''physical fight'' over the merits or lack thereof of ''Film/{{Legend}}'' ''Film/Legend1985'' back in 1986 in their ''Film/BladeRunner'' discussion.
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** Averted. No movie is too popular or well-regarded to escape criticism on this show, and some iconic 1980s movies have been straight-up eviscerated by Drew and Scott, including ''Film/AnOfficerAndAGentleman'' (misogynistic), ''Film/{{Flashdance}}'' (an empty-headed crowd-pleaser that happened to be marketed in just the right way), ''Film/SuddenImpact'' (fascistic), and ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' (unmemorable characters on TheQuest with an ugly aesthetic to boot). Stray comments in both regular and bonus episodes also point to their having a LOT to say about ''Film/TheGoonies'', ''Film/TopGun'', and ''Film/FatalAttraction'' in future installments.
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** Averted. No movie is too popular or well-regarded to escape criticism on this show, and some iconic 1980s movies have been straight-up eviscerated by Drew and Scott, including ''Film/AnOfficerAndAGentleman'' (misogynistic), ''Film/{{Flashdance}}'' (an empty-headed crowd-pleaser that happened to be marketed in just the right way), ''Film/SuddenImpact'' (fascistic), and ''Film/TheNeverEndingStory'' (unmemorable characters on TheQuest with an ugly aesthetic to boot). Stray comments in both regular and bonus episodes also point to their having a LOT to say about ''Film/TheGoonies'', ''Film/TopGun'', and ''Film/FatalAttraction'' in future installments.installments, and Drew shares an anecdote about getting into a ''physical fight'' over the merits or lack thereof of ''Film/{{Legend}}'' back in 1986 in their ''Film/BladeRunner'' discussion.
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** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered.
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** In the bonus episode featuring critic Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered. On top of this, Rickey recalls the film's original release. When she asked her fellow reviewer at ''The Philadelphia Inquirer'' if she could be the one to attend the critics' screening of the film (as she is a huge Creator/DavidCronenberg fan) and thus handle the review, his response was [[ItWillNeverCatchOn "You can have it!"]]
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* ArchivePanic: When finished, the show will have at least 131 regular episodes, some of which are 2 hours long, while the number of Patreon bonus episodes is already in the double digits as of the end of 2018. One reason Drew and Scott did a ClipShow for Christmas 2018 was to provide an easy in for new listeners. Of course, they have to deal with this trope all the time; many regular episodes have them reviewing upwards of 20 movies each. This was ''another'' reason they took a break for a ClipShow!
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* ArchivePanic: When finished, the show will have at least 131 regular episodes, some of which are 2 hours long, while the number of Patreon bonus episodes is already in the double digits as of the end of 2018. One reason Drew and Scott did a ClipShow for Christmas 2018 was to provide an easy in for new listeners. Of course, they have to deal with this trope all the time; many regular episodes have them reviewing upwards of 20 movies each.movies. This was ''another'' reason they took a break for a ClipShow!
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** In the bonus episode featuring critic Christy Lamire, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered.
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** In the bonus episode featuring critic Christy Lamire, Carrie Rickey, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered.
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** In the bonus episode featuring critic Christy Lamire, this is brought up in their discussion of her, Drew, and Scott's mutual love of ''Film/TheFly1986''. Had the fantastic lead performances [[OscarBait been in the service of an non-genre story about terminal illness]], they would have handily won Oscars. But because they're in the context of a BodyHorror sci-fi story, the quality of their work wasn't even considered.
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* ArchivePanic: When finished, the show will have at least 131 regular episodes, some of which are 2 hours long, while the number of Patreon bonus episodes is already in the double digits as of the end of 2018. One reason Drew and Scott did a ClipShow for Christmas 2018 was to provide an easy in for new listeners. Of course, they have to deal with this trope all the time; many episodes have them reviewing upwards of 20 movies each.
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* ArchivePanic: When finished, the show will have at least 131 regular episodes, some of which are 2 hours long, while the number of Patreon bonus episodes is already in the double digits as of the end of 2018. One reason Drew and Scott did a ClipShow for Christmas 2018 was to provide an easy in for new listeners. Of course, they have to deal with this trope all the time; many regular episodes have them reviewing upwards of 20 movies each.each. This was ''another'' reason they took a break for a ClipShow!
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** In the June 1983 episode's look at ''Film/SupermanIII'', as well as the fourth Viewer Mailbag bonus episode, Drew discusses how straight fantasy films, such as {{Superhero}} fantasies, were poorly-regarded and generally unpopular in this decade because studios/filmmakers simply did not have the means to realize them visually the way that horror, SpaceOpera, etc. could be. With regards to ''Superman'', there was no way to pull off grand comic book-style {{Superhero}} battles and villains with special effects of the era, leaving the question "Who does he fight?" This is why all the sequels ''and'' the ''Film/{{Supergirl}}'' spinoff have long stretches in which the protagonist is effectively depowered, while the villains ({{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, {{Evil Counterpart}}s with similar skill sets, a witch) are mundane when put up against what comics came up with. Scott comments in the ''Superman III'' discussion that even decent fantasy films of the '80s look primitive compared to what's been mounted since the TurnOfTheMillennium.
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** In the June 1983 episode's look at ''Film/SupermanIII'', as well as the fourth Viewer Mailbag bonus episode, Drew discusses how straight fantasy films, such as {{Superhero}} fantasies, were poorly-regarded and generally unpopular in this decade because studios/filmmakers simply did not have the means to realize them visually the way that horror, SpaceOpera, etc. could be. With regards to ''Superman'', there was no way to pull off grand comic book-style {{Superhero}} battles and villains with special effects of the era, leaving the question "Who does he fight?" Moreover, the producers, directors, and executives behind these films generally didn't grow up as fans of the characters being adapted, or worse looked down their noses at them, and thus didn't depict them in ways that their fans appreciated. This is why all the sequels ''and'' the ''Film/{{Supergirl}}'' spinoff have long stretches in which the protagonist is effectively depowered, while the villains ({{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, {{Evil Counterpart}}s with similar skill sets, a witch) are mundane when put up against what comics came up with. Scott comments in the ''Superman III'' discussion that even decent fantasy films of the '80s look primitive compared to what's been mounted since the TurnOfTheMillennium.
