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** Virtually every scene with [[KnightOfCerebus Robert John Linder Jr.]] as he exerts his control on his entire world, but special emphasis on his [[MindControlDevice Doll chips]], which he has implanted into his own family. Just him speaking the command words turns Eleanor [[note]]My Wife. My Love. My Muse.[[/note]] from a defiant firebrand into a submissive [[StepfordSmiler Stepford wife]] and Vincent [[note]]My Son. My Boy. My Legacy.[[/note]] from a rebellious rocker into a dutiful son and family scion. And to make matters worse, [[AndIMustScream they remain completely conscious]] as their puppeteered body obeys Robert's every command.

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** Virtually every scene with [[KnightOfCerebus Robert John Linder Jr.]] as he [[ControlFreak exerts his control control]] on his entire world, but special emphasis on his [[MindControlDevice Doll chips]], which he has implanted into his own family. Just him speaking the command words turns Eleanor [[note]]My Wife. My Love. My Muse.[[/note]] from a defiant firebrand into a submissive [[StepfordSmiler Stepford wife]] and Vincent [[note]]My Son. My Boy. My Legacy.[[/note]] from a rebellious rocker into a dutiful son and family scion. And to make matters worse, [[AndIMustScream they remain completely conscious]] as their puppeteered body obeys Robert's every command.command.
*** The fact that Eleanor has ''[[DrivenToSuicide tried to kill herself multiple times]]'' as a result of Robert's abuse, but [[ICannotSelfTerminate he's forcibly chipped her with cyberware that keeps her alive each time]].
*** Faraday's fate. [[spoiler:After fleeing from the Grand Imperial Mall, he is captured, subjected to brutal ColdBloodedTorture, including at Robert's own hand, then packed off to Maelstrom and [[UnwillingRoboticisation forcibly transformed, while fully conscious]] into a different kind of "Doll" -- a barely-human metal monster that Robert can remotely embody and [[NightmareFetishist use to slaughter people for the hell of it]]. Making it even worse are the creepy sexual overtones and the fact the Maelstrom went above and beyond to ensure his shattered EmptyShell of a mind is still in there somewhere]].

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* CryForTheDevil: In a way. Faraday is still as much of a SmugSnake as ever, but it's difficult not to feel that even ''[[AssholeVictim he]]'' deserves better than [[spoiler:his hideous FateWorseThanDeath at Robert's hands, being subjected to ColdBloodedTorture and UnwillingRoboticisation to turn him into an EmptyShell. He's left as yet another of Robert's mind-controlled playthings, simply as a demonstration that the Linder patriarch is EvilerThanThou]]. It probably helps that this version of him [[AdaptationalWimp didn't succeed in killing or betraying any of the protagonists]].



* SympathyForTheDevil: Faraday is still as much of a SmugSnake as ever, but it's difficult not to feel that even he deserves better than [[spoiler:his hideous FateWorseThanDeath at Robert's hands, being subjected to ColdBloodedTorture and UnwillingRoboticisation to turn him into an EmptyShell. He's left as yet another of Robert's mind-controlled playthings, simply as a demonstration that the Linder patriarch is EvilerThanThou]]. It probably helps that this version of him [[AdaptationalWimp didn't succeed in killing or betraying any of the protagonists]].
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* SympathyForTheDevil: Faraday is still as much of a SmugSnake as ever, but it's difficult not to feel that even he deserves better than [[spoiler:his hideous FateWorseThanDeath at Robert's hands, being subjected to ColdBloodedTorture and UnwillingRoboticisation to turn him into an EmptyShell. He's left as yet another of Robert's mind-controlled playthings, simply as a demonstration that the Linder patriarch is EvilerThanThou]].

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* SympathyForTheDevil: Faraday is still as much of a SmugSnake as ever, but it's difficult not to feel that even he deserves better than [[spoiler:his hideous FateWorseThanDeath at Robert's hands, being subjected to ColdBloodedTorture and UnwillingRoboticisation to turn him into an EmptyShell. He's left as yet another of Robert's mind-controlled playthings, simply as a demonstration that the Linder patriarch is EvilerThanThou]]. It probably helps that this version of him [[AdaptationalWimp didn't succeed in killing or betraying any of the protagonists]].

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** David selling XBDs is stated to be simply because he's an adrenaline junkie. It's also stated that he only ever spent any profits he made on himself. This is completely baseless and unfounded as the show directly implies that David had been using his earnings to try and cut corners for school payments, making things easier for his Mom.

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** David selling XBDs [=XBDs=] is stated to be simply because he's an adrenaline junkie. It's also stated that he only ever spent any profits he made on himself. This is completely baseless and unfounded as the show directly implies that David had been using his earnings to try and cut corners for school payments, making things easier for his Mom.



* JerkassWoobie: Oddly enough, Katsuo Tanaka gets hit with this treatment -- after siccing a mob of thugs on David and getting apprehended by V, the resulting investigation gets his father [[LiteralMetaphor terminated]] by Arasaka and he has to account for various fines and debts incurred by Tanaka Senior's XBD addiction, resulting in him losing almost everything. When he ends up running into David during a street race, he tells the young Edgerunner that he was jealous of the fact that David had a loving mother who worked her ass off to get him into Arasaka Academy but squandered his good fortune and his mother's hard work selling the very same [=XBDs=] that ruined his father, pocketing the cash for himself. That doesn't change the fact that Tanaka's misfortune is [[LaserGuidedKarma largely his own fault]], however.

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* JerkassWoobie: Oddly enough, Katsuo Tanaka gets hit with this treatment -- after siccing a mob of thugs on David and getting apprehended by V, the resulting investigation gets his father [[LiteralMetaphor terminated]] by Arasaka and he has to account for various fines and debts incurred by Tanaka Senior's XBD addiction, resulting in him losing almost everything. When he ends up running into David during a street race, he tells the young Edgerunner that he was jealous of the fact that David had a loving mother who worked her ass off to get him into Arasaka Academy but ([[UnreliableNarrator in Katsuo's view]]) squandered his good fortune and his mother's hard work selling the very same [=XBDs=] that ruined his father, pocketing the cash for himself. That doesn't change the fact that Tanaka's misfortune is [[LaserGuidedKarma largely his own fault]], however.



* {{Starboarding}}: Rebecca gets the hots and later feelings for V. This is despite the fact that he is the antithesis of practically everything she liked about David in canon.

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* {{Starboarding}}: Rebecca gets the hots and later feelings for V. This is despite the fact that he is the antithesis of practically everything she liked about David in canon.canon.
* SympathyForTheDevil: Faraday is still as much of a SmugSnake as ever, but it's difficult not to feel that even he deserves better than [[spoiler:his hideous FateWorseThanDeath at Robert's hands, being subjected to ColdBloodedTorture and UnwillingRoboticisation to turn him into an EmptyShell. He's left as yet another of Robert's mind-controlled playthings, simply as a demonstration that the Linder patriarch is EvilerThanThou]].
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* CanonDefilement:
** V, both Vincent and Valerie, and Jackie are practically OCs with identical names. Their new histories and motivations are interesting and well-written but still a far cry from their canonical counterparts. Granted it is more acceptable for V given their variable backstory.
** David is Flanderized and generally belittled as detailed above.
** Rebecca decides to keep V's severely injured state from his family. She states the crew should be grateful V didn't kill them or in Lucy's case sent her back to Arasaka. She also gets manipulated and taken advantage of by V and easily lets him off the hook.
* {{Flanderization}}:
** David is given this treatment, often being referred to as dumb, lacking intelligence or street-smarts. Katsuo accuses him of wasting the chance his Mother gave him, despite Kiwi outright stating he is a Straight-A student. Further, Corpo Students undoubtedly have neural Cyberware designed to aid in their education, meaning David outdid them all, only with his Organic Brain and Hard-work. A shard in Cyberpunk 2077 states how suicide, anxiety, depression and other such issues are common for Arasaka Academy Students. David being a Straight-A student says a lot about him. However, this fic completely ignores all this to prop up V.
** David selling XBDs is stated to be simply because he's an adrenaline junkie. It's also stated that he only ever spent any profits he made on himself. This is completely baseless and unfounded as the show directly implies that David had been using his earnings to try and cut corners for school payments, making things easier for his Mom.
** David is solely blamed for the events leading to Gloria's death. This vastly reduces the tragedy of her character, and the idea that no matter how hard she tried or how much she sacrificed, David was never going to make it.




* {{Flanderization}}:
** David is given this treatment, often being referred to as dumb, lacking intelligence or street-smarts. Katsuo accuses him of wasting the chance his Mother gave him, despite Kiwi outright stating he is a Straight-A student. Further, Corpo Students undoubtedly have neural Cyberware designed to aid in their education, meaning David outdid them all, only with his Organic Brain and Hard-work. A shard in Cyberpunk 2077 states how suicide, anxiety, depression and other such issues are common for Arasaka Academy Students. David being a Straight-A student says a lot about him. However, this fic completely ignores all this to prop up V.
** David selling XBDs is stated to be simply because he's an adrenaline junkie. It's also stated that he only ever spent any profits he made on himself. This is completely baseless and unfounded as the show directly implies that David had been using his earnings to try and cut corners for school payments, making things easier for his Mom.
** David is solely blamed for the events leading to Gloria's death. This vastly reduces the tradegy of her character, and the idea that no matter how hard she tried or how much she sacrificed, David was never going to make it.

* {{Starboarding}}: Rebecca gets the hots and later feelings for V. This is despite the fact that he is the antithesis of practically everything she liked about David in canon.

* CanonDefilement:
** V, both Vincent and Valerie, and Jackie are practically OCs with identical names. Their new histories and motivations are interesting and well-written but still a far cry from their canonical counterparts. Granted it is more acceptable for V given their variable backstory.
** David is Flanderized and generally belittled as detailed above.
** Rebecca decides to keep V's severely injured state from his family. She states the crew should be grateful V didn't kill them or in Lucy's case sent her back to Arasaka. She also gets manipulated and taken advantage of by V and easily lets him off the hook.

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\n* {{Flanderization}}: \n** David is given this treatment, often being referred to as dumb, lacking intelligence or street-smarts. Katsuo accuses him of wasting the chance his Mother gave him, despite Kiwi outright stating he is a Straight-A student. Further, Corpo Students undoubtedly have neural Cyberware designed to aid in their education, meaning David outdid them all, only with his Organic Brain and Hard-work. A shard in Cyberpunk 2077 states how suicide, anxiety, depression and other such issues are common for Arasaka Academy Students. David being a Straight-A student says a lot about him. However, this fic completely ignores all this to prop up V.\n** David selling XBDs is stated to be simply because he's an adrenaline junkie. It's also stated that he only ever spent any profits he made on himself. This is completely baseless and unfounded as the show directly implies that David had been using his earnings to try and cut corners for school payments, making things easier for his Mom.\n** David is solely blamed for the events leading to Gloria's death. This vastly reduces the tradegy of her character, and the idea that no matter how hard she tried or how much she sacrificed, David was never going to make it.\n\n* {{Starboarding}}: Rebecca gets the hots and later feelings for V. This is despite the fact that he is the antithesis of practically everything she liked about David in canon.

* CanonDefilement:
** V, both Vincent and Valerie, and Jackie are practically OCs with identical names. Their new histories and motivations are interesting and well-written but still a far cry from their canonical counterparts. Granted it is more acceptable for V given their variable backstory.
** David is Flanderized and generally belittled as detailed above.
** Rebecca decides to keep V's severely injured state from his family. She states the crew should be grateful V didn't kill them or in Lucy's case sent her back to Arasaka. She also gets manipulated and taken advantage of by V and easily lets him off the hook.
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** David is Flanderized and generally belittled as detailed above.

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** David is Flanderized and generally belittled as detailed above.above.
** Rebecca decides to keep V's severely injured state from his family. She states the crew should be grateful V didn't kill them or in Lucy's case sent her back to Arasaka. She also gets manipulated and taken advantage of by V and easily lets him off the hook.
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** David is given this treatment, often being referred to as dumb, lacking intelligence or street-smarts. Katsuo accuses him of wasting the chance his Mother gave him, despite Kiwi outright stating he is a Straight-A student. Further, Corpo Students undoubtedly have neural Cyberware designed to aid in their education, meaning David outdid them all, only with his Organic Brain and Hard-work. A shard in Cyberpunk 2077 states how suicide, anxiety, depression and other such issues are common for Arasaka Academy Students. David being a Straight-A student says a lot about. However, this fic completely ignores all this to prop up V.

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** David is given this treatment, often being referred to as dumb, lacking intelligence or street-smarts. Katsuo accuses him of wasting the chance his Mother gave him, despite Kiwi outright stating he is a Straight-A student. Further, Corpo Students undoubtedly have neural Cyberware designed to aid in their education, meaning David outdid them all, only with his Organic Brain and Hard-work. A shard in Cyberpunk 2077 states how suicide, anxiety, depression and other such issues are common for Arasaka Academy Students. David being a Straight-A student says a lot about.about him. However, this fic completely ignores all this to prop up V.
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* Starboarding: Rebecca gets the hots and later feelings for V. This is despite the fact that he is the antithesis of practically everything she liked about David in canon.

* Canon Defilement:

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* Starboarding: {{Starboarding}}: Rebecca gets the hots and later feelings for V. This is despite the fact that he is the antithesis of practically everything she liked about David in canon.

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** David is given this treatment, often being referred to as dumb, lacking intelligence or street-smarts. Katsuo accuses him of wasting the chance his Mother gave him, despite Kiwi outright stating he is a Straight-A student. Further, Corpo Students undoubtedly have neural Cyberware designed to aid in their education, meaning David outdid them all, only with his Organic Brain and Hard-work. A shard in Cyberpunk 2077 states how suicide, anxiety, depression and other such issues are common for Arasaka Academy Students. David being a Straight-A student says a lot about. However, this fic completely ignores all this to prop up V.

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** David is given this treatment, often being referred to as dumb, lacking intelligence or street-smarts. Katsuo accuses him of wasting the chance his Mother gave him, despite Kiwi outright stating he is a Straight-A student. Further, Corpo Students undoubtedly have neural Cyberware designed to aid in their education, meaning David outdid them all, only with his Organic Brain and Hard-work. A shard in Cyberpunk 2077 states how suicide, anxiety, depression and other such issues are common for Arasaka Academy Students. David being a Straight-A student says a lot about. However, this fic completely ignores all this to prop up V.V.
** David selling XBDs is stated to be simply because he's an adrenaline junkie. It's also stated that he only ever spent any profits he made on himself. This is completely baseless and unfounded as the show directly implies that David had been using his earnings to try and cut corners for school payments, making things easier for his Mom.
** David is solely blamed for the events leading to Gloria's death. This vastly reduces the tradegy of her character, and the idea that no matter how hard she tried or how much she sacrificed, David was never going to make it.

* Starboarding: Rebecca gets the hots and later feelings for V. This is despite the fact that he is the antithesis of practically everything she liked about David in canon.

* Canon Defilement:
** V, both Vincent and Valerie, and Jackie are practically OCs with identical names. Their new histories and motivations are interesting and well-written but still a far cry from their canonical counterparts. Granted it is more acceptable for V given their variable backstory.
** David is Flanderized and generally belittled as detailed above.
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* Flanderization:
** David is given this treatment, often being referred to as dumb, lacking intelligence or street-smarts. Katsuo accuses him of wasting the chance his Mother gave him, despite Kiwi outright stating he is a Straight-A student. Further, Corpo Students undoubtedly have neural Cyberware designed to aid in their education, meaning David outdid them all, only with his Organic Brain and Hard-work. A shard in Cyberpunk 2077 states how suicide, anxiety, depression and other such issues are common for Arasaka Academy Students. David being a Straight-A student says a lot about. However, this fic completely ignores all this to prop up V.
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** Virtually every scene with [[KnightOfCerebus Robert John Linder Jr.]] as he exerts his control on his entire world, but special emphasis on his [[MindControlDevice Doll chips]], which he has implanted into his own family. Just him speaking the command words turns Eleanor [[note]]My Wife. My Love. My Muse.[[/note]] from a defiant firebrand into a submissive [[StepfordSmiler Stepford wife]] and Vincent [[note]]My Son. My Boy. My Legacy.[[/note]] from a rebellious rocker into a dutiful son and family scion.

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** Virtually every scene with [[KnightOfCerebus Robert John Linder Jr.]] as he exerts his control on his entire world, but special emphasis on his [[MindControlDevice Doll chips]], which he has implanted into his own family. Just him speaking the command words turns Eleanor [[note]]My Wife. My Love. My Muse.[[/note]] from a defiant firebrand into a submissive [[StepfordSmiler Stepford wife]] and Vincent [[note]]My Son. My Boy. My Legacy.[[/note]] from a rebellious rocker into a dutiful son and family scion. And to make matters worse, [[AndIMustScream they remain completely conscious]] as their puppeteered body obeys Robert's every command.

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* JerkassWoobie: Oddly enough, Katsuo Tanaka gets hit with this treatment -- after siccing a mob of thugs on David and getting apprehended by V, the resulting investigation gets his father [[LiteralMetaphor terminated]] by Arasaka and he has to account for various fines and debts incurred by Tanaka Senior's XBD addiction, resulting in him losing almost everything. When he ends up running into David during a street race, he tells the young Edgerunner that he was jealous of the fact that David had a loving mother who worked her ass off to get him into Arasaka Academy but squandered his good fortune and his mother's hard work selling the very same [=XBDs=] that ruined his father, pocketing the cash for himself. That doesn't change the fact that Tanaka's misfortune is [[LaserGuidedKarma largely his own fault]], however.



** The events of Neo-Oaxaca. [[spoiler:V and Jackie were tasked to purge it of all undesirable elements for Arasaka to take over, which V did by unleashing a host of highly contagious techno-viruses onto the populace that completely drove everyone insane, from the mind-wiping Lethe to the HatePlague of Phonoi, vicious enough to cause families and friends to rip each other into pieces. [[WouldHurtAChild And not even the children were spared]]. It's a big reason why V has earned the name "Las Plagas".]]

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** The events of Neo-Oaxaca. [[spoiler:V and Jackie were tasked to purge it of all undesirable elements for Arasaka to take over, which V did by unleashing a host of highly contagious techno-viruses onto the populace that completely drove everyone insane, from the mind-wiping Lethe to the HatePlague of Phonoi, vicious enough to cause families and friends to rip each other into pieces. [[WouldHurtAChild And not even the children were spared]]. It's a big reason why V has earned the name "Las Plagas"."[[TheDreaded Las Plagas]]".]]



* JerkassWoobie: Oddly enough, Katsuo Tanaka gets hit with this treatment -- after siccing a mob of thugs on David, he ends up losing almost anything after his father gets [[LiteralMetaphor terminated]] by Arasaka and he has to account for various fines and the debts incurred by Tanaka Senior's XBD addiction. When he ends up running into David during a street race, he tells the young Edgerunner that he was jealous of the fact he had a loving mother, but squandered his good fortune selling the very same [=XBDs=] that ruined his father and pocketing the cash for himself. That doesn't change the fact that Tanaka's misfortune is [[LaserGuidedKarma largely his own fault]], however.
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* JerkassWoobie: Oddly enough, Katsuo Tanaka gets hit with this treatment -- after siccing a mob of thugs on David, he ends up losing almost anything after his father gets [[LiteralMetaphor terminated]] by Arasaka and he has to account for various fines and the debts incurred by Tanaka Senior's XBD addiction. When he ends up running into David during a street race, he tells the young Edgerunner that he was jealous of the fact he had a loving mother, but squandered his good fortune selling the very same XBDs that ruined his father and pocketing the cash for himself. That doesn't change the fact that Tanaka's misfortune is [[LaserGuidedKarma largely his own fault]], however.

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* JerkassWoobie: Oddly enough, Katsuo Tanaka gets hit with this treatment -- after siccing a mob of thugs on David, he ends up losing almost anything after his father gets [[LiteralMetaphor terminated]] by Arasaka and he has to account for various fines and the debts incurred by Tanaka Senior's XBD addiction. When he ends up running into David during a street race, he tells the young Edgerunner that he was jealous of the fact he had a loving mother, but squandered his good fortune selling the very same XBDs [=XBDs=] that ruined his father and pocketing the cash for himself. That doesn't change the fact that Tanaka's misfortune is [[LaserGuidedKarma largely his own fault]], however.
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** Virtually every scene with [[KnightOfCerebus Robert John Linder Jr.]] as he exerts his control on his entire world, but special emphasis on his [[MindControlDevice Doll chips]], which he has implanted into his own family. Just him speaking the command words turns Eleanor [[note]]My Wife. My Love. My Muse.[[/note]] from a defiant firebrand into a submissive [[StepfordSmiler Stepford wife]] and Vincent [[note]]My Son. My Boy. My Legacy.[[/note]] from a rebellious rocker into a dutiful son and family scion.

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** Virtually every scene with [[KnightOfCerebus Robert John Linder Jr.]] as he exerts his control on his entire world, but special emphasis on his [[MindControlDevice Doll chips]], which he has implanted into his own family. Just him speaking the command words turns Eleanor [[note]]My Wife. My Love. My Muse.[[/note]] from a defiant firebrand into a submissive [[StepfordSmiler Stepford wife]] and Vincent [[note]]My Son. My Boy. My Legacy.[[/note]] from a rebellious rocker into a dutiful son and family scion.scion.
* JerkassWoobie: Oddly enough, Katsuo Tanaka gets hit with this treatment -- after siccing a mob of thugs on David, he ends up losing almost anything after his father gets [[LiteralMetaphor terminated]] by Arasaka and he has to account for various fines and the debts incurred by Tanaka Senior's XBD addiction. When he ends up running into David during a street race, he tells the young Edgerunner that he was jealous of the fact he had a loving mother, but squandered his good fortune selling the very same XBDs that ruined his father and pocketing the cash for himself. That doesn't change the fact that Tanaka's misfortune is [[LaserGuidedKarma largely his own fault]], however.
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* GeniusBonus: From Chapter 5 onward, the scene breaks in the story are punctuated by lines of binary numbers. Translated, they mostly spell out "[[ShapedLikeItself Scene break]]", but sometimes they spell out other things too. [[spoiler:When V goes cyberpsycho in the Grand Imperial Mall, the binary scene breaks spell out stuff like "Help me. Stop Me Too Much" while he's on a rampage and "FIND HIM TRACK HIM LOCATE" as Maine's crew retrieve him and retreat, knowing his target has likely gotten away.]]
* NightmareFuel:
** The events of Neo-Oaxaca. [[spoiler:V and Jackie were tasked to purge it of all undesirable elements for Arasaka to take over, which V did by unleashing a host of highly contagious techno-viruses onto the populace that completely drove everyone insane, from the mind-wiping Lethe to the HatePlague of Phonoi, vicious enough to cause families and friends to rip each other into pieces. [[WouldHurtAChild And not even the children were spared]]. It's a big reason why V has earned the name "Las Plagas".]]
** Virtually every scene with [[KnightOfCerebus Robert John Linder Jr.]] as he exerts his control on his entire world, but special emphasis on his [[MindControlDevice Doll chips]], which he has implanted into his own family. Just him speaking the command words turns Eleanor [[note]]My Wife. My Love. My Muse.[[/note]] from a defiant firebrand into a submissive [[StepfordSmiler Stepford wife]] and Vincent [[note]]My Son. My Boy. My Legacy.[[/note]] from a rebellious rocker into a dutiful son and family scion.

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