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* MisBlamed: The infamous "Marge Simpson" video from 2012 is frequently held against Alex Koehler as an example of how horrible his live performances could be, and while Alex would be the first to admit that he had plenty of terrible nights (largely due to his alcohol issues), that was actually not his fault. The fact of the matter is that Andrew Carlston got jumped outside of a venue several nights before, and Alex intervened and tried to protect him, only to get thrown to the ground and kicked in the head, which resulted in a fractured jaw. Alex wasn't supposed to perform live until it had healed and they got an emergency fill-in, but the fill-in was apparently so bad (as per Jake Harmond, he was literally ad-libbing lyrics) that Alex couldn't bear to watch the songs be butchered and also refused to cancel any shows, so he finally forced himself back onstage, and that show happened to be one of the unlucky ones. In short, it ''was'' a terrible performance, but considering the circumstances, it's not a reasonable thing to hold against him.
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* MisBlamed: The infamous "Marge Simpson" video from 2012 2010 is frequently held against Alex Koehler as an example of how horrible his live performances could be, and while Alex would be the first to admit that he had plenty of terrible nights (largely due to his alcohol issues), that was actually not his fault. The fact of the matter is that Andrew Carlston got jumped outside of a venue several nights before, and Alex intervened and tried to protect him, only to get thrown to the ground and kicked in the head, which resulted in a fractured jaw. Alex wasn't supposed to perform live until it had healed and they got an emergency fill-in, but the fill-in was apparently so bad (as per Jake Harmond, he was literally ad-libbing lyrics) that Alex couldn't bear to watch the songs be butchered and also refused to cancel any shows, so he finally forced himself back onstage, and that show happened to be one of the unlucky ones. In short, it ''was'' a terrible performance, but considering the circumstances, it's not a reasonable thing to hold against him.
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* FaceOfTheBand: It was Alex for the longest time, now it’s a split between Pablo and Tom.
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** Jason Richardson's visible irritation and expression of anger when he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RajKLh8v1KI botched the final run on the solo to "Ashes to Ashes" at NAMM in 2015]] - to be fair, this is a ''legendarily'' difficult solo (to the point where they have never played it live), though his reaction is pure "why on earth did I write and record this".
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** Jason Richardson's visible irritation and expression of anger when he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RajKLh8v1KI botched the final run on the solo to "Ashes "Dust to Ashes" Dust" at NAMM in 2015]] - to be fair, this is a ''legendarily'' difficult solo (to the point where they have never played it live), though his reaction is pure "why on earth did I write and record this".
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: From "Crewcabanger": “It’s boner time!"
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** From "Crewcabanger": “It’s bonertime!"time!"
** Jason Richardson's visible irritation and expression of anger when he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RajKLh8v1KI botched the final run on the solo to "Ashes to Ashes" at NAMM in 2015]] - to be fair, this is a ''legendarily'' difficult solo (to the point where they have never played it live), though his reaction is pure "why on earth did I write and record this".
** From "Crewcabanger": “It’s boner
** Jason Richardson's visible irritation and expression of anger when he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RajKLh8v1KI botched the final run on the solo to "Ashes to Ashes" at NAMM in 2015]] - to be fair, this is a ''legendarily'' difficult solo (to the point where they have never played it live), though his reaction is pure "why on earth did I write and record this".
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* MisBlamed: The infamous "Marge Simpson" video from 2012 is frequently held against Alex Koehler as an example of how horrible his live performances could be, and while Alex would be the first to admit that he had plenty of terrible nights (largely due to his alcohol issues), that was actually not his fault. The fact of the matter is that Andrew Carlston got jumped outside of a venue several nights before, and Alex intervened and tried to protect him, only to get thrown to the ground and kicked in the head, which resulted in a fractured jaw. Alex wasn't supposed to perform live until it had healed and they got an emergency fill-in, but the fill-in was apparently so bad (as per Jake Harmond, he was literally ad-libbing lyrics) that Alex couldn't bear to watch the songs be butchered and also refused to cancel any shows, so he finally forced himself back onstage, and that show happened to be one of the unlucky ones. In short, it ''was'' a terrible performance, but considering the circumstances, it's not a reasonable thing to hold against him.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: ''Self Inflicted,'' the band gets points for trying something new, but overall most fans were left wanting more. Alex's deteriorating vocals and poor live showings didn't help either.
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* DorkAge: ''Self Inflicted,'' the band gets points for trying something new, but overall most fans were left wanting more. Alex's deteriorating vocals and poor live showings didn't help either.
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* OvershadowedByControversy: While Tom Barber was originally very well-received and helped rejuvenate the band after a long and steady decline that paralleled Alex Koehler's own, his increasingly vocal rants about conspiracy theories on his personal Instagram (including some ambiguous but very likely expressions of [=QAnon=] sympathies) coupled with his anti-vaccination sentiment gradually soured the fanbase more and more on him, and after the band had to cancel a festival appearance in 2021 for reasons that were strongly hinted to be because of his refusal to get vaccinated, numerous fans began to view him as an embarrassment to his own band who was actively hindering them.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: For all the debate around Chelsea Grin’s material, most agree that Desolation of Eden is their best work.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: From Crewcabanger: “It’s boner time!"
* GrowingTheBeard: My Damnation is considered this, with the symphonic and black metal influences giving the band more personality than other deathcore bands at the time. Eternal Nightmare is another source of growth, giving the band a much needed second chance at life after some questionable releases.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: From Crewcabanger: “It’s boner time!"
* GrowingTheBeard: My Damnation is considered this, with the symphonic and black metal influences giving the band more personality than other deathcore bands at the time. Eternal Nightmare is another source of growth, giving the band a much needed second chance at life after some questionable releases.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: For all the debate around Chelsea Grin’s material, most agree that Desolation ''Desolation of Eden Eden'' is their best work.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: FromCrewcabanger: "Crewcabanger": “It’s boner time!"
* GrowingTheBeard:My Damnation ''My Damnation'' is considered this, with the symphonic and black metal influences giving the band more personality than other deathcore bands at the time. Eternal Nightmare ''Eternal Nightmare'' is another source of growth, giving the band a much needed second chance at life after some questionable releases.
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* SignatureSong: Recreant and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell for the Alex Koehler era, Hostage and Dead Rose for the Tom Barber era.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Eternal Nightmare had a lot of concerns going into it, being the first release without Alex and the first with only one guitarist. “Dead Rose” and “Hostage” proved those concerns weren’t needed and it saw Chelsea Grin doing better than ever, doing their biggest headlining tours yet.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Eternal Nightmare had a lot of concerns going into it, being the first release without Alex and the first with only one guitarist. “Dead Rose” and “Hostage” proved those concerns weren’t needed and it saw Chelsea Grin doing better than ever, doing their biggest headlining tours yet.
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* SignatureSong: Recreant "Recreant" and Don’t "Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Tell" for the Alex Koehler era, Hostage "Hostage" and Dead Rose "Dead Rose" for the Tom Barber era.
* WinBackTheCrowd:Eternal Nightmare ''Eternal Nightmare'' had a lot of concerns going into it, being the first release without Alex and the first with only one guitarist. “Dead Rose” and “Hostage” proved those concerns weren’t needed and it saw Chelsea Grin doing better than ever, doing their biggest headlining tours yet.
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** ''Self Inflicted:'' To some it’s a logical progression of the band, expanding the deathcore sound they’ve stuck with and incorporating nu-metal in their sound far better than other bands. Others think it's a monotonous slog with nothing worth salvaging.
** ''Eternal Nightmare:'' Is it a breath of fresh air after years of failed experiments and going back to what the band has done best, or is it the same chuggy sound they’ve been playing far too long and all they’re doing is putting lipstick on a pig? The biggest point of contention is the decision to continue on with only one guitarist. It makes sense from a business point of view (less people on the road means more money in the pockets of the band), or it limits the band creatively and they are stuck writing less dense music.
** ''Eternal Nightmare:'' Is it a breath of fresh air after years of failed experiments and going back to what the band has done best, or is it the same chuggy sound they’ve been playing far too long and all they’re doing is putting lipstick on a pig? The biggest point of contention is the decision to continue on with only one guitarist. It makes sense from a business point of view (less people on the road means more money in the pockets of the band), or it limits the band creatively and they are stuck writing less dense music.
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** ''Self Inflicted:'' To some it’s a logical progression of the band, expanding the deathcore sound they’ve stuck with and incorporating nu-metal in their sound far better than other bands. Others think it's a monotonous slog with atrocious lyrics and nothing worth salvaging.
** ''Eternal Nightmare:'' Is it a breath of fresh air after years of failed experiments and going back to what the band has done best, or is it the same chuggy sound they’ve been playing far too long and all they’re doing is putting lipstick on a pig? The biggest point of contention is the decision to continue on with only one guitarist. It makes sense from a business point of view (less people on the road means more money in the pockets of the band), or it limits the band creatively and they are stuck writing less dense music. The band later privately clarified that the album was written with Alex's vocals in mind before they brought Tom in at the last minute, which explains the simpler sound, and have said that they are going in a heavier direction with their future releases.
** ''Eternal Nightmare:'' Is it a breath of fresh air after years of failed experiments and going back to what the band has done best, or is it the same chuggy sound they’ve been playing far too long and all they’re doing is putting lipstick on a pig? The biggest point of contention is the decision to continue on with only one guitarist. It makes sense from a business point of view (less people on the road means more money in the pockets of the band), or it limits the band creatively and they are stuck writing less dense music. The band later privately clarified that the album was written with Alex's vocals in mind before they brought Tom in at the last minute, which explains the simpler sound, and have said that they are going in a heavier direction with their future releases.
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* {{Narm}}: A criticism of many of Alex's lyrics, particularly his later ones, and "Clickbait" in particular was lambasted for being cringeworthy even by his standards.
-->"I did your fucking work for you.
-->Go ahead and publish every word I said to you.
-->Emphasize the fact that you're a fucking bitch.
-->And while you're at it, you can publish this dick."
-->"I did your fucking work for you.
-->Go ahead and publish every word I said to you.
-->Emphasize the fact that you're a fucking bitch.
-->And while you're at it, you can publish this dick."
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* BrokenBase: To be expected with a band who is known for changing their sound and lineup:
** ''Self Inflicted:'' To some it’s a logical progression of the band, expanding the deathcore sound they’ve stuck with and incorporating nu-metal in their sound far better than other bands. Others think it's a monotonous slog with nothing worth salvaging.
** ''Eternal Nightmare:'' Is it a breath of fresh air after years of failed experiments and going back to what the band has done best, or is it the same chuggy sound they’ve been playing far too long and all they’re doing is putting lipstick on a pig? The biggest point of contention is the decision to continue on with only one guitarist. It makes sense from a business point of view (less people on the road means more money in the pockets of the band), or it limits the band creatively and they are stuck writing less dense music.
** Alex vs. Tom. For some, Alex was Chelsea Grin and taking him out of the band means the band lost its frontman and creative force. Others think Tom is more than capable fronting Chelsea Grin, and has the technique and talent to help the band go into new directions and Alex’s vocals would have only gotten worse had he stayed in the band.
* DorkAge: ''Self Inflicted,'' the band gets points for trying something new, but overall most fans were left wanting more. Alex's deteriorating vocals and poor live showings didn't help either.
* FaceOfTheBand: It was Alex for the longest time, now it’s a split between Pablo and Tom.
* FirstInstallmentWins: For all the debate around Chelsea Grin’s material, most agree that Desolation of Eden is their best work.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: From Crewcabanger: “It’s boner time!"
* GrowingTheBeard: My Damnation is considered this, with the symphonic and black metal influences giving the band more personality than other deathcore bands at the time. Eternal Nightmare is another source of growth, giving the band a much needed second chance at life after some questionable releases.
* SignatureSong: Recreant and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell for the Alex Koehler era, Hostage and Dead Rose for the Tom Barber era.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Eternal Nightmare had a lot of concerns going into it, being the first release without Alex and the first with only one guitarist. “Dead Rose” and “Hostage” proved those concerns weren’t needed and it saw Chelsea Grin doing better than ever, doing their biggest headlining tours yet.
** ''Self Inflicted:'' To some it’s a logical progression of the band, expanding the deathcore sound they’ve stuck with and incorporating nu-metal in their sound far better than other bands. Others think it's a monotonous slog with nothing worth salvaging.
** ''Eternal Nightmare:'' Is it a breath of fresh air after years of failed experiments and going back to what the band has done best, or is it the same chuggy sound they’ve been playing far too long and all they’re doing is putting lipstick on a pig? The biggest point of contention is the decision to continue on with only one guitarist. It makes sense from a business point of view (less people on the road means more money in the pockets of the band), or it limits the band creatively and they are stuck writing less dense music.
** Alex vs. Tom. For some, Alex was Chelsea Grin and taking him out of the band means the band lost its frontman and creative force. Others think Tom is more than capable fronting Chelsea Grin, and has the technique and talent to help the band go into new directions and Alex’s vocals would have only gotten worse had he stayed in the band.
* DorkAge: ''Self Inflicted,'' the band gets points for trying something new, but overall most fans were left wanting more. Alex's deteriorating vocals and poor live showings didn't help either.
* FaceOfTheBand: It was Alex for the longest time, now it’s a split between Pablo and Tom.
* FirstInstallmentWins: For all the debate around Chelsea Grin’s material, most agree that Desolation of Eden is their best work.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: From Crewcabanger: “It’s boner time!"
* GrowingTheBeard: My Damnation is considered this, with the symphonic and black metal influences giving the band more personality than other deathcore bands at the time. Eternal Nightmare is another source of growth, giving the band a much needed second chance at life after some questionable releases.
* SignatureSong: Recreant and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell for the Alex Koehler era, Hostage and Dead Rose for the Tom Barber era.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Eternal Nightmare had a lot of concerns going into it, being the first release without Alex and the first with only one guitarist. “Dead Rose” and “Hostage” proved those concerns weren’t needed and it saw Chelsea Grin doing better than ever, doing their biggest headlining tours yet.
