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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Ffion selfish and heartless for [[spoiler: cheating on Liam]]? Or, in light of Liam's increasingly irrational conduct, is she a woman desperately seeking an escape from an increasingly abusive relationship?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Ffion selfish and heartless for [[spoiler: cheating on Liam]]? Or, in light of Liam's increasingly irrational conduct, is she a woman desperately seeking an escape from an increasingly abusive relationship?relationship? There's evidence to support both positions, as she appears to agree with Jonas' view that relationships are a sham, giving the impression that she's unhappy in her marriage, but also appeared desperate to save her relationship with Liam until he made it clear that he didn't want anything to do with her after discovering what she did.
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* BrokenBase: This episode is notable for strongly dividing the fanbase. When reviewed on forums, it tended to move down on lines between those who felt [[ProperlyParanoid Liam was justified in his paranoia]] versus those who felt he was a BastardBoyfriend. Many people brought their own relationships with abusive, cheating, or suspicious partners.

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* BrokenBase: This episode is notable for strongly dividing the fanbase. When reviewed on forums, it tended to move down on lines between those who felt [[ProperlyParanoid Liam was justified in his paranoia]] versus those who felt he was a BastardBoyfriend.an abusive Boyfriend. Many people brought their own relationships with abusive, cheating, or suspicious partners.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler:he had sex with Liam's wife and that he may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) above) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler:he had sex with Liam's wife and that he may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler:he had sex with Liam's wife and that he may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].



* RetroactiveRecognition: Ffion is portrayed by Creator/JodieWhittaker, seven years before she became internationally famous for getting the role of [[Series/DoctorWho the Thirteenth Doctor]].

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ffion is portrayed by Creator/JodieWhittaker, seven years before she became internationally famous for getting the role of [[Series/DoctorWho the Thirteenth Doctor]].Doctor]].
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler:he had sex with Liam's wife and that he may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].

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Considering both Liam and Ffion are shown as in the wrong for what they do, Unintentionally Unsympathetic doesn't fit here.


* RetroactiveRecognition: Ffion is portrayed by Creator/JodieWhittaker, seven years before she became internationally famous for getting the role of [[Series/DoctorWho the Thirteenth Doctor]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Both Liam and Ffion are this as noted above in MoralEventHorizon.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ffion is portrayed by Creator/JodieWhittaker, seven years before she became internationally famous for getting the role of [[Series/DoctorWho the Thirteenth Doctor]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Both Liam and Ffion are this as noted above in MoralEventHorizon.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ffion is portrayed by Creator/JodieWhittaker, seven years before she became internationally famous for getting the role of [[Series/DoctorWho the Thirteenth Doctor]].

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ffion is portrayed by Creator/JodieWhittaker, seven years before she became internationally famous for getting the role of [[Series/DoctorWho the Thirteenth Doctor]].Doctor]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Both Liam and Ffion are this as noted above in MoralEventHorizon.
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* Darkness-InducedAudienceApathy: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler:he had sex with Liam's wife and may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].

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* Darkness-InducedAudienceApathy: DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler:he had sex with Liam's wife and that he may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].
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* DarknessInducedApathy: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler:he had sex with Liam's wife and may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].

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* DarknessInducedApathy: Darkness-InducedAudienceApathy: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler:he had sex with Liam's wife and may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].
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* DarknessInducedApathy: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler he had sex with Liam's wife and may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].

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* DarknessInducedApathy: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler he [[spoiler:he had sex with Liam's wife and may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].
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* DarknessInducedApathy: Neither of the three central figures in the story are likeable. Both Ffion and Liam cross the MoralEventHorizon (as seen below) and while Jonas didn't deserve what Liam did to him, there's still the fact that [[spoiler he had sex with Liam's wife and may very well be the real father of Ffion's child]].
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ffion is portrayed by Creator/JodieWhittaker, seven years before she became [[Series/DoctorWho the Thirteenth Doctor]]

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ffion is portrayed by Creator/JodieWhittaker, seven years before she became internationally famous for getting the role of [[Series/DoctorWho the Thirteenth Doctor]]Doctor]].

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** [[spoiler:Submitting a man to a MindRape under threat of death while in a drunken stupor, wrecking a car, fleeing the police, and then going home, assaulting his wife after spying on her and humiliating her at every turn]]. Ffion's behavior makes [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation a lot more sense]] once, in light of the above, her husband starts showing the classics sign of a domestic abuser (paranoia, wanting to know every detail of her life, trying to pit her friends against her, impulsive behavior, [[spoiler: abandoning her for a week and giving no indication of when or if he's coming home, saying she was "making him do it" at the end...]]
** But, we also saw that this Paranoia was ''completely justified'' in the end, and we don't actually know what happened 18 months ago (probably to make Liam look more unsympathetic), and he and Ffion were in a deeply loving happy marriage before that fateful encounter...

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** [[spoiler:Submitting Liam crossed it by [[spoiler:submitting a man to a MindRape under threat of death while in a drunken stupor, wrecking a car, fleeing the police, and then going home, assaulting his wife after spying on her and humiliating her at every turn]]. Ffion's behavior makes [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation a lot more sense]] once, in light of the above, her husband starts showing the classics sign of a domestic abuser (paranoia, wanting to know every detail of her life, trying to pit her friends against her, impulsive behavior, [[spoiler: abandoning her for a week and giving no indication of when or if he's coming home, saying she was "making him do it" at the end...]]
** But, we also saw that this Paranoia was ''completely justified'' in the end, and we don't actually know what happened 18 months ago (probably to make Liam look more unsympathetic), and he and Ffion were in a deeply loving happy marriage before that fateful encounter...
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** Towards the end, it becomes quite clear that [[spoiler:Ffion has been telling a whole heap of lies about her relationship (and brief affair) with Jonas]]. She then crosses the Horizon handily by [[spoiler:lying appallingly badly about Jonas using a condom, heavily implying that Jonas is her baby's real father]]. Crosses over with IdiotBall as well; come on, [[spoiler:lying about everything from the existence of a relationship in the first place to the use (or not) of contraception when there's photographic proof that you're lying?]] Not the cleverest decision. Although Ffion's example of a MEH ''may be'' actually subverted if you read the spoiler below.

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** Towards the end, it becomes quite clear that [[spoiler:Ffion has been telling a whole heap of lies about her relationship (and brief affair) with Jonas]]. She then crosses the Horizon handily by [[spoiler:lying appallingly badly about Jonas using a condom, heavily implying that Jonas is her baby's real father]]. Crosses over with IdiotBall as well; come on, [[spoiler:lying about everything from the existence of a relationship in the first place to the use (or not) of contraception when there's photographic proof that you're lying?]] Not the cleverest decision. Although Ffion's example of a MEH ''may be'' actually subverted if you read the spoiler below.
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** But, we also saw that this Paranoia was ''completely justified'' in the end, and we don't actually know what happened 18 months ago (probably to make Liam look more unsympathetic), and he and Ffion were in a deeply loving happy marriage before that fateful encounter...

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** But, we also saw that this Paranoia was ''completely justified'' in the end, and we don't actually know what happened 18 months ago (probably to make Liam look more unsympathetic), and he and Ffion were in a deeply loving happy marriage before that fateful encounter...encounter...
* RetroactiveRecognition: Ffion is portrayed by Creator/JodieWhittaker, seven years before she became [[Series/DoctorWho the Thirteenth Doctor]]
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* BrokenBase: This episode is notable for strongly dividing the fanbase. When reviewed on forums, it tended to move down on lines between those who felt [[ProperlyParanoid Liam was justified in his paranoia]] versus those who felt he was a BastardBoyfriend. Many people brought their own relationships with abusive, cheating, or suspicious partners.

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** Towards the end, it becomes quite clear that [[spoiler:Ffion has been telling a whole heap of lies about her relationship (and brief affair) with Jonas]]. She then crosses the Horizon handily by [[spoiler:lying appallingly badly about Jonas using a condom, heavily implying that Jonas is her baby's real father]]. Crosses over with IdiotBall as well; come on, [[spoiler:lying about everything from the existence of a relationship in the first place to the use (or not) of contraception when there's photographic proof that you're lying?]] Not the cleverest decision. Although Ffion's example of a MEH may actually be subverted if you read the spoiler below.
** [[spoiler:Submitting a man to a MindRape under threat of death while in a drunken stupor, wrecking a car, fleeing the police, and then going home, assaulting his wife after spying on her and humiliating her at every turn]]. Ffion's behavior makes [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation a lot more sense]] once, in light of the above, her husband starts showing the classics signs of a domestic abuser (paranoia, wanting to know every detail of her life, trying to pit her friends against her, impulsive behavior, [[spoiler: abandoning her for a week and giving no indication of when or if he's coming home, saying she was "making him do it" at the end...]]

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** Towards the end, it becomes quite clear that [[spoiler:Ffion has been telling a whole heap of lies about her relationship (and brief affair) with Jonas]]. She then crosses the Horizon handily by [[spoiler:lying appallingly badly about Jonas using a condom, heavily implying that Jonas is her baby's real father]]. Crosses over with IdiotBall as well; come on, [[spoiler:lying about everything from the existence of a relationship in the first place to the use (or not) of contraception when there's photographic proof that you're lying?]] Not the cleverest decision. Although Ffion's example of a MEH may ''may be'' actually be subverted if you read the spoiler below.
** [[spoiler:Submitting a man to a MindRape under threat of death while in a drunken stupor, wrecking a car, fleeing the police, and then going home, assaulting his wife after spying on her and humiliating her at every turn]]. Ffion's behavior makes [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation a lot more sense]] once, in light of the above, her husband starts showing the classics signs sign of a domestic abuser (paranoia, wanting to know every detail of her life, trying to pit her friends against her, impulsive behavior, [[spoiler: abandoning her for a week and giving no indication of when or if he's coming home, saying she was "making him do it" at the end...]]]]
** But, we also saw that this Paranoia was ''completely justified'' in the end, and we don't actually know what happened 18 months ago (probably to make Liam look more unsympathetic), and he and Ffion were in a deeply loving happy marriage before that fateful encounter...

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** [[spoiler:Submitting a man to a MindRape under threat of death while in a drunken stupor, wrecking a car, fleeing the police, and then going home, assaulting his wife after spying on her and humiliating her at every turn]]. Ffion's behavior makes [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation a lot more sense]] once, in light of the above, her husband starts showing the classics signs of a domestic abuser (paranoia, wanting to know every detail of her life, trying to pit her friends against her, impulsive behavior, [[spoiler: abandoning her for a week and giving no indication of when or if he's coming home, saying she was "making him do it" at the end...]]
** This is of course, subjective at best. While the above actions are true, Liam did not flee the police ''because the police never responded''. And with the discovery that his wife had cheated on him for not one week, not one month, not ''six months''... but '''eighteen months''', Liam's reaction is not entirely surprising. His above behaviour may explain Ffion's attempt to try to hide the truth but does not justify it whatsoever. In fact, if anything it makes her come across as a BitchInSheepsClothing and a real idiot.
** Foolish for not getting out of the relationship before this point, maybe, but that's nothing so out of the ordinary. Liam was a textbook abuser, and it's made very clear that the events of the episode were *not* the first time he'd acted this way. And for the record, she had not cheated on him 'for eighteen months'. She had cheated on him once, eighteen months ago, at a time when he had stormed out in a jealous rage over some *other* guy forfive straight days, so it would have been unclear if they were even still together.
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** [[spoiler:Submitting a man to a MindRape under threat of death while in a drunken stupor, wrecking a car, fleeing the police, and then going home, assaulting his wife after spying on her and humiliating her at every turn]]. Ffion's behavior makes [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation a lot more sense]] once, in light of the above, her husband starts showing the classics signs of a domestic abuser (paranoia, wanting to know every detail of her life, trying to pit her friends against her, impulsive behavior, [[spoiler: abandoning her for a week and giving no indication of when or if he's coming home, saying she was "making him do it" at the end...]]
** This is of course, subjective at best. While the above actions are true, Liam did not flee the police ''because the police never responded''. And with the discovery that his wife had cheated on him for not one week, not one month, not ''six months''... but '''eighteen months''', Liam's reaction is not entirely surprising. His above behaviour may explain Ffion's attempt to try to hide the truth but does not justify it whatsoever. In fact, if anything it makes her come across as a BitchInSheepsClothing and a real idiot.
** Foolish for not getting out of the relationship before this point, maybe, but that's nothing so out of the ordinary. Liam was a textbook abuser, and it's made very clear that the events of the episode were *not* the first time he'd acted this way. And for the record, she had not cheated on him 'for eighteen months'. She had cheated on him once, eighteen months ago, at a time when he had stormed out in a jealous rage over some *other* guy forfive straight days, so it would have been unclear if they were even still together.
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** Foolish for not getting out of the relationship before this point, maybe, but that's nothing so out of the ordinary. Liam was a textbook abuser, and it's made very clear that the events of the episode were *not* the first time he'd acted this way. And for the record, she had not cheated on him 'for eighteen months'. She had cheated on him once, eighteen months ago, at a time when he had stormed out in a jealous rage over some *other* guy forfive straight days, so it would have been unclear if they were even still together.
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** This is of course, subjective at best. While the above actions are true, Liam did not flee the police ''because the police never responded''. And with the discovery that his wife had cheated on him for not one week, not one month, not ''six months''... but '''eighteen months''', Liam's reaction is not entirely surprising. His above behaviour may explain Ffion's attempt to try to hide the truth but does not justify it whatsoever. In fact, if anything it makes her come across as a BitchInSheepsClothing and a real idiot.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Ffion selfish and heartless for [[spoiler: cheating on Liam]]? Or, in light of Liam's increasingly irrational conduct, is she a woman desperately seeking an escape from an increasingly abusive relationship?
* JerkassWoobie: Regardless of your own interpretation of Liam's character, [[spoiler:his reaction to finding out his wife did indeed cheat on him and that his daughter is not actually his is one of genuine heartbreak]].
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Towards the end, it becomes quite clear that [[spoiler:Ffion has been telling a whole heap of lies about her relationship (and brief affair) with Jonas]]. She then crosses the Horizon handily by [[spoiler:lying appallingly badly about Jonas using a condom, heavily implying that Jonas is her baby's real father]]. Crosses over with IdiotBall as well; come on, [[spoiler:lying about everything from the existence of a relationship in the first place to the use (or not) of contraception when there's photographic proof that you're lying?]] Not the cleverest decision. Although Ffion's example of a MEH may actually be subverted if you read the spoiler below.
** [[spoiler:Submitting a man to a MindRape under threat of death while in a drunken stupor, wrecking a car, fleeing the police, and then going home, assaulting his wife after spying on her and humiliating her at every turn]]. Ffion's behavior makes [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation a lot more sense]] once, in light of the above, her husband starts showing the classics signs of a domestic abuser (paranoia, wanting to know every detail of her life, trying to pit her friends against her, impulsive behavior, [[spoiler: abandoning her for a week and giving no indication of when or if he's coming home, saying she was "making him do it" at the end...]]
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