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** Interestingly, we never see Catherine commit any overt or violent act (apart from scratching Nick during sex). [[spoiler: Both Beth and Roxy act with violence toward Nick,]] but we only see Catherine remain passive throughout the film.
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* RewatchBonus: A lot of little lines hint at Catherine's guilt, as well as her and Beth's involvement.
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* HollywoodHomely: Brown hair, brown eyes, glasses, sensible clothes (and presumably underwear as well) as supposedly enough to make Beth the plain alternative to the glamorous Catherine.
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** Also, it's not a hundred percent clear even at the end that Catherine is a murderess. Did she do it? Any of the killings? Will she kill Nick? Or was it Beth all along? And did Roxy commit any of the murders? [[spoiler: apart from her brothers and the attempted murder of Nick]]
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*** Forgive the IncrediblyLamePun, but this movie is all flash and no substance.
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*** Forgive the IncrediblyLamePun, but this movie is all flash and no substance.
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** It should have been for being an overlong, overplotted incoherent mess. Hell, the ''[[FlipFlopOfGod guy who wrote it]]'' even said he wasn't sure what happened or who the killer was. This WASN'T some kind of avant-garde MindScrew, this was a big mainstream movie. As for being misogynistic and homophobic, I'd go further and say that there isn't a single likable character here of ANY gender or sexual orientation.
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* CompleteMonster: Catherine seduces men, manipulates'em for her own amusement and then kills'em for money or probably for pure fun and knows exactly how evading the laws and getting away with her crimes.
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice (so much so that people are often JustHereForGodzilla): Catherine's interrogation, during which she recrosses her legs while wearing an extremely short skirt with no panties. Long-distance gynecology, anyone?
** FridgeLogic: The pantyless scene has become a trope in itself over years, [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], exaggerated, imitated, parodied, [[DeaderThanDisco nearly qualified for being a]] DeadHorseTrope, and yet it doesn't make any sense in context. Police detectives are supposed to be rough and hardened men with plenty of interrogation experience, and yet all of them seem stunned by a nearly-[[PlayingDoctor childish]] trick (though considering what kind of a person Catherine is and how the story shows that even the most hard-assed man can be swayed by a woman, this actually makes a lot of sense).
** FridgeLogic: The pantyless scene has become a trope in itself over years, [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], exaggerated, imitated, parodied, [[DeaderThanDisco nearly qualified for being a]] DeadHorseTrope, and yet it doesn't make any sense in context. Police detectives are supposed to be rough and hardened men with plenty of interrogation experience, and yet all of them seem stunned by a nearly-[[PlayingDoctor childish]] trick (though considering what kind of a person Catherine is and how the story shows that even the most hard-assed man can be swayed by a woman, this actually makes a lot of sense).
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* EverybodyRemembersTheStripper (so much so that people are often JustHereForGodzilla): Catherine's interrogation, during which she recrosses her legs while wearing an extremely short skirt with no panties. Long-distance gynecology, anyone?
** FridgeLogic: The pantyless scene has become a trope in itself over years, [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], exaggerated, imitated, parodied, [[DeaderThanDisco nearly qualified for being a]] DeadHorseTrope, and yet it doesn't make any sense in context. Police detectives are supposed to be rough and hardened men with plenty of interrogation experience, and yet all of them seem stunned by a nearly-[[PlayingDoctor childish]] trick (though considering what kind of a person Catherine is and how the story shows that even the most hard-assed man can be swayed by a woman, this actually makes a lot of sense).
** FridgeLogic: The pantyless scene has become a trope in itself over years, [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], exaggerated, imitated, parodied, [[DeaderThanDisco nearly qualified for being a]] DeadHorseTrope, and yet it doesn't make any sense in context. Police detectives are supposed to be rough and hardened men with plenty of interrogation experience, and yet all of them seem stunned by a nearly-[[PlayingDoctor childish]] trick (though considering what kind of a person Catherine is and how the story shows that even the most hard-assed man can be swayed by a woman, this actually makes a lot of sense).
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* NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: Gay rights activists protested against the film because it depicted lesbians and bisexuals as depraved and murderous. It became one of the highest-grossing movies of the year.
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* NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: Gay rights activists protested against the film because it depicted lesbians and bisexuals as depraved and murderous. It The movie became one of the highest-grossing movies of the year.1992, despite protests over being misogynist and homophobic.
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** FridgeLogic: The pantyless scene has become a trope in itself over years, [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], exaggerated, imitated, parodied, [[DeaderThanDisco nearly qualified for being a]] DeadHorseTrope, and yet it doesn't make any sense in context. Police detectives are supposed to be rough and hardened men with plenty of interrogation experience, and yet all of them seem stunned by a nearly-[[PlayingDoctor childish]] trick (though considering what kind of a person Catherine is and how the story shows that even the most hard-assed man is can be swayed by feminine lust, a woman, this actually makes a lot of sense).
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* OneSceneWonder: Wayne Knight's character.
* OneSceneWonder: Wayne Knight's character.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: AwesomeMusic/JerryGoldsmith
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* EverybodyRemembersTheStripper: Catherine's interrogation, during which she recrosses her legs while wearing an extremely short skirt with no panties. Long-distance gynecology, anyone?
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* NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: People were protesting in the streets because Sharon Stone uncrosses her legs. It is really the only reason why the film is known, and the so-called controversy helped it along.
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** Does everybody also remember [[HeyItsThatGuy who was in the crosshairs]] of that famous beaver shot? ''[[{{Seinfeld}} Hello, Newman!]]''
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* BeyondTheRidiculous: Some of the sex scenes, which are pretty explicit and overly detailed for such a mainstream film. And then Verhoeven went and outdid himself by making ''Showgirls'', with ''that'' sex scene.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: There is much debate amongst fans of the film whether Beth is an innocent victim or an evil {{Femme Fatale}}. There is also debate whether the 1st scene of Nick and Beth in her apartment is sex or date rape.
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