History YMMV / AvengersVsXMen

** The Avengers and anyone siding with them (barring a few such as Spider-Man, who is acting as something of damage control). To X-Men fans, they've spent the entire story acting like giant antagonistic jackasses and are essentially responsible for some of the bad things that happen, mainly by showing up, telling Cyclops they're taking the potential savior of his near extinct race and that's that; and again when Iron Man's "brilliant plan" causes the Phoenix Force to be split and create the Phoenix Five (to be fair, Stark had no idea that his plan would backfire like it did - and later admits in his solo series that what he did was ''incredibly'' stupid - so it's not entirely the Avengers's fault when it comes to that). Issue 11 pretty much pushes it over the top despite the fact the Avengers are, nominally, the heroes of the story. Fortunately, it's aknowledged in the last issue, where Captain America realizes that the Avengers have been pretty crappy heroes when it comes to mutant affairs, which leads him to create a new team of Avengers that specialises in dealing with mutant and inhuman affairs.

* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The amount of shit the heroes (both X-Men and Avengers) go through can make the whole 12 story arc feel very tiring. No victory ever comes without an immediate downside, said downsides most of the time being even worse than the victories.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Interested in seeing what this utopia the Phoenix Five created is like? Too bad! The reader is merely told that they P5 made the world a perfect place. Actually seeing any of that, examining the morality of a benign dictatorship, seeing what the ordinary person thinks about the benevolent cosmic-powered mutants who took over the world, etc., would get in the way of heroes punching the crap out of eachother.

* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Cyclops and Captain America moralizing to each other is undoubtedly divisive but both deliver a message that the other needed to hear. Cap calls out Scott out on risking the entire planet with his assumptions and that whatever good he has managed to do does not outweigh all the damage he helped cause. Scott similarly points out that the X-Men have been standing on their own in the world with the Avengers never getting involved beforehand and that they can't just go swooping in and expect people to follow when they have no reason to. Surprisingly, the two actually listened to each other - Cap formed the Avengers Unity Squad, composed of Avengers and X-Men, while Scott was completely willing to remain in prison [[TheAtoner to atone for his crimes]], refusing Magneto's offer to break him out. Unfortunately, the former team eventually fell apart, while the latter changed his mind after [[spoiler: a fellow prisoner, a new mutant, was lynched by other prisoners and no one stopped it]].

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: When the Phoenix 5 were flying all over the world creating their "Pax Utopia" were they really trying to improve the world because improving the world is the ultimate goal of any hero, or were they just wanking off at themselves and their new power and taking advantage of the chance to take all their oppressors and effectively imprison them?

* MoralEventHorizon: There's a lot of it on both sides, mostly due to crappy writing.
** [[spoiler:Emma]]'s possible moment happens in the ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy'' tie-in, [[spoiler:she scraps Juston Seyfert's [[RobotBuddy sentient pet Sentinel]], simply for being a Sentinel]], which is basically like killing some random guy's dog for no reason other than you're afraid the dog might bite you - though, being a Sentinel, you can understand why she might have some bad assoications.
** [[spoiler:The Avengers invade the sovereign nation of Utopia, take (almost) the entire mutant species prisoner and hold them in concentration camps where their powers are disabled. Granted, the situation has reached a critical point and the fate of the Earth is at stake, but still...]]
** [[spoiler:Namor's assault on Wakanda, which likely killed countless civilians. Considering that he was under the Phoenix's influence, it's debatable wether or not he was responsible for his own actions.]]
** The prison where Scott is being held in ''Consequences'' crosses when [[spoiler:they allow Scott's new friend, a newly-activated mutant, to be lynched by the other inmates]]. This causes Scott to [[spoiler:accept Magneto's offer to break him out]].

** The Avengers and anyone siding with them (barring a few such as Spider-Man, who is acting as something of damage control). To X-Men fans, they've spent the entire story acting like giant antagonistic jackasses and are essentially responsible some of the bad things that happen, mainly by showing up, telling Cyclops they're taking the potential savior of his near extinct race and that's that; and again when Iron Man's "brilliant plan" causes the Phoenix Force to be split and create the Phoenix Five (to be fair, Stark had no idea that his plan would backfire like it did - and later admits in his solo series that what he did was ''incredibly'' stupid - so it's not entirely the Avengers's fault when it comes to that). Issue 11 pretty much pushes it over the top despite the fact the Avengers are, nominally, the heroes of the story. Fortunately, it's aknowledged in the last issue, where Captain America realizes that the Avengers have been pretty crappy heroes when it comes to mutant affairs, which leads him to create a new team of Avengers that specialises in dealing with mutant and inhuman affairs.

* UnintentionallySympathetic: Cyclops after being possessed by the Phoenix force.

* MagnificentBastard: Cyclops is an [[AntiHero Anti-Heroic]] example, right from the start, when Namor notes how he's very publicly forcing Cap's hand. However, it's particularly apparent in ''Consequences'' where he displays that he knows how to play him some ''serious'' politics.

** The Avengers and anyone siding with them (barring a few such as Spider-Man, who is acting as something of damage control). To X-Men fans, they've spent the entire story acting like giant antagonistic jackasses and are essentially responsible some of the bad things that happen, mainly by showing up, telling Cyclops they're taking the potential savior of his near extinct race and that's that; and again when Iron Man's "brilliant plan" causes the Phoenix Force to be split and create the Phoenix Five (to be fair, Stark had no idea that his plan would backfire like it did, so it's not entirely the Avengers's fault when it comes to that). Issue 11 pretty much pushes it over the top despite the fact the Avengers are, nominally, the heroes of the story. Fortunately, it's aknowledged in the last issue, where Captain America realizes that the Avengers have been pretty crappy heroes when it comes to mutant affairs, wich leads him to create a new team of avengers that specialises in dealing with mutant and inhuman affairs.
** Wolverine specifically fell under this early on in the story, as his solution to dealing with the Phoenix was ''to outright kill the teenage girl who was the intended host before the Phoenix arrived'', which went much farther than the Avengers merely wanting to take Hope off-world in the event that she was unable to control the Phoenix. However, he soon backed down from this line of thinking when he realised he couldn't go through with killing a child. In ''Consequences'', Scott [[WhatTheHellHero really lets Logan have it]] over this. Granted, what Cyclops did was much worse than that, but still, [[JerkassHasAPoint he was mostly right.]]

* MagnificentBastard: Cyclops is an [[AntiHero Anti-Heroic]] example, particularly in ''Consequences'' where he displays that he knows how to play him some ''serious'' politics.

* MisaimedFandom: ''Avengers vs. X-Men'' was supposed to be the culmination of Cyclops delving too far into the WellIntentionedExtremist realm since ''ComicBook/HouseOfM.'' Much like the ''Schism'' storyline [[note]]A storyline which ended with Wolverine leading an Exodus of most of the X-Men sick of Scott's morally dubious decision[[/note]] a year earlier, many fans found themselves siding with Cyclops despite the writers intention.

** [[spoiler:Emma]]'s possible moment happens in the ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy'' tie-in, [[spoiler:she scraps Juston Seyfert's [[RobotBuddy sentient pet Sentinel]], simply for being a Sentinel]], wich is basically like killing some random guy's dog for no reason other than you're afraid the dog might bite you.

* OneSceneWonder: Rachel's delivering a CurbStompBattle against both Captain America and Thor received the greatest praise from both her fans and detractors of this event.

* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Cyclops and Captain America moralizing to each other is undoubtedly divisive but both deliver a message that the other needed to hear. Cap calls out Scott out on risking the entire planet with his assumptions and that whatever good he has managed to do does not outweigh all the damage he helped cause. Scott similarly points out that the X-Men have been standing on their own in the world with the Avengers never getting involved beforehand and that they can't just go swooping in and expect people to follow when they have no reason to.

** On the Avengers side they want to take Hope somewhere where she can't do any damage in case she can't control it. The way they try to do this could have been handled better but there were very real concerns behind that decision. Wanting to minimize the damage from a cosmic powered entity is honestly just good sense, especially considering the Phoenix unrestrained can destroy star systems. As Cap points in his WhatTheHellHero speech to Cyclops he was assuming that the Phoenix was there to restore Mutants as a species, seemingly conveniently forgetting what it did to his deceased ex-wife and essentially risking the entire planet to restore a minority of the people that lived there. There is also the fact that despite the X-Men having greater experience with the Phoenix the entity is incredibly temperamental on a good day. Not to mention that the Avengers were proven right when Hope couldn't even bond with the Phoenix properly.
** On the X-Men side they want to keep Hope on Utopia based on the idea that the Phoenix will allow her to restore mutants as a species. While this is risky based on how unpredictable the Phoenix tends to be it should be noted that the X-Men have a much greater understanding of the Phoenix than most people, especially since one of their members was a host for it and never lost control. Cyclops thought process also shows a rational understanding of the nature of the Phoenix Force in that he understands the loss of an entire species would attract the attention of such a life giving force. Their complaints towards the Avengers about staying out mutant affairs carries some truth with it as well.

* WhatAnIdiot: Plenty of it, but Rachel and pretty much anyone else who seriously believed that the Phoenix 5 were seriously making the world a better place by turning the world into a dictatorship. Equally so were Captain America and those who seriously thought that repeatedly prodding at a group of insanely powerful but emotionally unstable entities until they really did snap into full-on villainy was a good idea. Cyclops isn't immune to this either, unfortunately. To be specific, he demonstrates this at the beginning, where he was assuming that the Phoenix was there to restore Mutants as a species with no proof to back up said claim, seemingly conveniently forgetting all the trouble it brought to the X-men in the past, ignoring what the phoenix did to his deceased ex-wife and essentially risking the entire planet to restore a minority of the people that lived there.

** Most of the Phoenix Five's costumes look okay -- except for Cyclops, who appears to be wearing a red thong, wich makes it pretty hard to take him seriously when he tries to be intimidating.

* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The amount of shit the heroes (both Xmen and Avengers) go through can make the whole 12 arc story feel very tiring. No victory ever comes without an immediate downside, said downsides most of the time being even worse than the victories.

** [[spoiler:Emma]]'s possible moment happens in the ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy'' tie-in, [[spoiler:she scraps Juston Seyfert's [[RobotBuddy sentient pet Sentinel]], simply for being a Sentinel]], wich is basically like killing some random guy's dog for no reason.

* AssPull: The "Anti-Telepathy" nano-machines Tony Stark creates and injects into all of the Avengers ''specifically'' so Emma Frost can't end the event in issue 2.

* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The story is so poorly written and virtually all of the characters are portrayed as such blatant jerks that it's impossible to care what happens after a while.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Pretty much every character in the book, with Captain America of all people being the most obvious victims.

** The Avengers and anyone siding with them. To X-Men fans, they've spent the entire story acting like giant antagonistic jackasses and are essentially responsible some of the bad things that happen, mainly by showing up, telling Cyclops they're taking the potential savior of his near extinct race and that's that; and again when Iron Man's "brilliant plan" causes the Phoenix Force to be split and create the Phoenix Five (to be fair, Stark had no idea that his plan would backfire like it did, so it's not entirely the Avengers's fault when it comes to that). Issue 11 pretty much pushes it over the top despite the fact the Avengers are, nominally, the heroes of the story. Fortunately, it's aknowledged in the last issue, where Captain America realizes that the Avengers have been pretty crappy heroes when it comes to mutant affairs, wich leads him to create a new team of avengers that specialises in dealing with mutant and inhuman affairs.

-->'''Scott Summers:''' All I wanted to do was change the world. To see my children grow up to be something other than time-traveling freedom fighters. To see mutants able to use their powers for more than just fighting killer robots."

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Pretty much every character in the book, with The Avengers of all people being the most obvious victims.

* DesignatedVillain: Mostly Cyclops's X-Men, and later the Phoenix Five. At least, until they become corrupted by the Phoenix Force and start acting more like actual villains. Even then, Cyclops could still be a designated villain, as he only gets consumed by the Dark Phoenix after much poking and prodding by the Avengers and the X-Men. Until that point he kinda kept his sanity, [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity at least compared to his teammates]]. Even then, he [[IdiotBall was also acting like an idiot]] via CharacterDerailment, wich really didn't help his case.

** Most of the Phoenix Five's costumes look okay -- except for Cyclops, who appears to be wearing a red thong, wich makes it pretty hard to take him seriously when he tries to be.

** The Avengers and anyone siding with them. To X-Men fans, they've spent the entire story acting like giant antagonistic jackasses and are essentially responsible for most of the bad things that happen (mainly by showing up, telling Cyclops they're taking the potential savior of his near extinct race and that's that; and again when Iron Man's "brilliant plan" causes the Phoenix Force to be split and create the Phoenix Five). Issue 11 pretty much pushes it over the top despite the fact the Avengers are, nominally, the heroes of the story. Acknowledged in the last issue, where Captain America realizes that the Avengers have been pretty crappy heroes when it comes to mutant affairs.
** Wolverine specifically fell under this early on in the story, as his solution to dealing with the Phoenix was ''to outright kill the teenage girl who was the intended host before the Phoenix arrived'', which went much farther than the Avengers merely wanting to take Hope off-world in the event that she was unable to control the Phoenix. However, he soon backed down from this line of thinking when he realised he couldn't go through with killing a child. In ''Consequences'', Scott [[WhatTheHellHero really lets Logan have it]] over this.
* DesignatedVillain: Cyclops' X-Men, and later the Phoenix Five. At least, until they become corrupted by the Phoenix Force and start acting more like actual villains. Even then, Cyclops could still be a designated villain, as he only gets consumed by the Dark Phoenix after much poking and prodding by the Avengers and the X-Men. Until that point he kinda kept his sanity, [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity at least compared to his teammates]].

* MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler:Emma]]'s possible moment happens in the ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy'' tie-in, [[spoiler:she scraps Juston Seyfert's [[RobotBuddy pet Sentinel]], simply for being a Sentinel]].
** [[spoiler:The Avengers invade the sovereign nation of Utopia, take (almost) the entire mutant species prisoner and hold them in concentration camps where their powers are disabled.]]
** [[spoiler:Namor's assault on Wakanda, which likely killed countless civilians.]]

* StrawmanHasAPoint: Both the Avengers and the X-Men make some quite frankly idiotic decisions but their motivations for those decisions is hard to fault at points.
** On the Avengers side they want to take Hope somewhere where she can't do any damage in case she can't control it. The way they try to do this could have been handled better but there were very real concerns behind that decision. Wanting to minimize the damage from a cosmic powered entity is honestly just good sense, especially considering the Phoenix unrestrained can destroy star systems. As Cap points in his WhatTheHellHero speech to Cyclops he was assuming that the Phoenix was there to restore Mutants as a species, essentially risking the entire planet to restore a minority of the people that lived there. There is also the fact that despite the X-Men having greater experience with the Phoenix the entity is incredibly temperamental on a good day. Not to mention that the Avengers were proven right when Hope couldn't even bond with the Phoenix properly.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Interested in seeing what this utopia the Phoenix Five created is like? Too bad! The reader is merely told that they P5 made the world a perfect place. Actually seeing any of that, examining the morality of a benign dictatorship, seeing what the ordinary person thinks about the benevolent cosmic-powered mutants who took over the world, etc., would get in the way of more punching.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Cyclops after being possessed by the Phoenix force.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Pretty much every character in the book, with Captain America of all people being the most obvious victim.
* WhatAnIdiot: Plenty of it, but Rachel and pretty much anyone else who seriously believed that the Phoenix 5 were seriously making the world a better place by turning the world into a dictatorship. Equally so were Captain America and those who seriously thought that repeatedly prodding at a group of insanely powerful but emotionally unstable entities until they really did snap into full-on villainy was a good idea.

** Most of the Phoenix Five's costumes look just fine -- except for Cyclops, who appears to be wearing a red thong.
** Namor is wearing a top that is essentially sleeves and shoulder pads but nothing underneath, until it gets to his extra tight pants. On the other hand, it's still an improvement over a speedo.

** Dan Slott (who has a flair for these) supplies a humorous one in the final issue of ''Vs.'' for a couple of the [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu more ridiculous victories]] in prior issues. [[spoiler:Turns out Squirrel Girl and Pixie, completely ignorant of the conflict, were playing an RPG with the Puppet Master's voodoo dolls]]. It's somewhat unclear whether this was intended to be canon, but more than a few fans accept it.

** Either you think that Captain America was right in presume over Scott's mental condition, and his lack of open remorse is evident of his fall from grace, or you think he's a detached political sock puppet incapable of recognizing how Scott had been carrying on his shoulders a situation for years so impossible that if one, and only one of his friends dies in an attempt to stave off genocide (of the usually hate induced variety), rather than say, a bus full of children, then it was in fact a very good day, and think Cap's reactions to his imprisonment are, at best, embarrassing. Just as embarrassing is the fact that Cyclops, in SmugSnake mode, was clearly goading Captain America into taking a swing at him.

* TheyJustDidntCare: Like ''Civil War'' and ''Fear Itself'' before it, due to its massive IdiotPlot.

** UnintentionallySympathetic: Cyclops after being possessed by the Phoenix force.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Pretty much every character in the book, with Captain America of all people being the most obvious victim.
** UnintentionallySympathetic: Cyclops after being possessed by the Phoenix force.

* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Cyclops and Captain America moralizing to each other is undoubtedly divisive but both deliver a message that the other needed to hear. Cap calls out Scott out on risking the entire planet with his assumptions and that whatever good he has managed to do does not outweigh all the damage he helped caused. Scott similarly points out that the X-Men have been standing on their own in the world with the Avengers never getting involved beforehand and that they can't just go swooping in and expect people to follow when they have no reason to.

** Does being mind controlled by the Phoenix truly excuse Cyclops, Emma, Namor, Colossus and Magik for the questionable and in some cases just straight up horrible things they did?

* MisaimedFandom: ''Avengers vs. X-Men'' was supposed to be the culmination of Cyclops delving too far into the WellIntentionedExtremist realm since ''ComicBook/HouseOfM.'' Much like the Schism storyline a year earlier, ''Schism'' storyline [[note]]A storyline which ended with Wolverine leading an Exodus of most of the X-Men sick of Scott's morally dubious decision[[/note]] a year earlier, many fans found themselves siding with Cyclops despite the writers intention.