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** Zanis, despite being generally a good SkillGateCharacter, is the type of 'Once you mastered the basic of jungling, ditch him' kind of hero. This is because he's a combination of snowball hero with MagikarpPower that he's overdependent on how many kills/assists he could get... ''and'' being a hero with minimum gap closer, all he had was just a speed boost and an ult that launches himself to one target, meaning that if things go south, he cannot escape reliably. All these combined means that he's the ultimate bully target in the early farming phase, shut him down during the early game and he'll mostly end up useless in the remainder of the game. Therefore, most people tend to consider Zanis rather unworthy of the efforts put for his snowball potential.

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** Zanis, despite being generally a good SkillGateCharacter, {{Skill Gate Character|s}}, is the type of 'Once you mastered the basic of jungling, ditch him' kind of hero. This is because he's a combination of snowball hero with MagikarpPower that he's overdependent on how many kills/assists he could get... ''and'' being a hero with minimum gap closer, all he had was just a speed boost and an ult that launches himself to one target, meaning that if things go south, he cannot escape reliably. All these combined means that he's the ultimate bully target in the early farming phase, shut him down during the early game and he'll mostly end up useless in the remainder of the game. Therefore, most people tend to consider Zanis rather unworthy of the efforts put for his snowball potential.
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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: If Kaine and Aya are on the same team, it's generally encouraged that Aya ''does not'' attach herself to Kaine. Kaine is a hero relying on {{Invisibility}} all the time, but if Aya's on top of him, she's blatantly telling her enemies where Kaine actually is located, thus rendering Kaine's gimmick useless. This was not quite a problem for both Batman and Quillen, or [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings Prince of Lanling and Ah Ke]], because their stealth skills are not permanent, but on a button click. However, Aya (or [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings her counterpart Yao/Yaria]]) can still hop on them anyway, which is still pretty annoying.

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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: If Kaine and Aya are on the same team, it's generally encouraged that Aya ''does not'' attach herself to Kaine. Kaine is a hero relying on {{Invisibility}} all the time, but if Aya's on top of him, she's blatantly telling her enemies where Kaine actually is located, thus rendering Kaine's gimmick useless. This was is not quite a problem for both Batman and Quillen, or [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings Prince of Lanling and Ah Ke]], because their stealth skills are not permanent, but on a button click. However, Aya (or [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings her counterpart Yao/Yaria]]) can still hop on them anyway, which is still pretty annoying.
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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: If Kaine and Aya are on the same team, it's generally encouraged that Aya ''does not'' attach herself to Kaine. Kaine is a hero relying on {{Invisibility}} all the time, but if Aya's on top of him, she's blatantly telling her enemies where Kaine actually is located, thus rendering Kaine's gimmick useless. This was not quite a problem for both Batman and Quillen, or [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings Prince of Lanling and Ah Ke]], because their stealth skills are not permanent, but on a button click. However, Aya (or [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings her counterpart Yao/Yaria]]) can still hop on them anyway, which is still pretty annoying.

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* CompleteMonster: ''Arena of Valor'' has two [[Characters/ArenaOfValorMageHeroes Mage Heroes]]:

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* CompleteMonster: ''Arena of Valor'' has two [[Characters/ArenaOfValorMageHeroes Mage Heroes]]:Heroes]] and one [[Characters/ArenaOfValorArcherHeroes Archer]]:


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** [[PsychoForHire Stuart, the Collector]], is a notorious SerialKiller working with many shady organizations. He kills many in brutal and sadistic ways, then immortalizes the patterns of their dying life forces in a crystal for him to collect, as he finds said pattern to be the most beautiful. Stuart murders the families of both Kaine and Sinestrea [[ForTheEvulz for no apparent reason]], leaving the two traumatized. Stuart then decides to torment Kaine further by goading him to give in to his demonic lineage, as Stuart suspects that his demonic transformation will produce a more beautiful pattern. Even as a human amongst magically inclined creatures, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Stuart stands out as one of the most depraved humans]] to walk in Athanor, matching [[Characters/BatmanTheJoker the Hero he replaces]].
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Yes, Allain crosses over to ''VideoGame/HonorOfKings''. Perhaps as the 'main' Tencent game, it's a privilege for the 'big brother' game to get the crossover stuffs. Well... certainly no one expects that the 'little brother' game also gets a transferred hero there in form of Ming Shiyin.
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** Some heroes' voices are... outdated and still overly dependent on memes and pop culture. This can be seen with Ormarr and Kahlii, but Kahlii simply got it worse: Lore-wise, she has been revamped into the TokenGoodTeammate and non-malevolent member of [[TheLegionsOfHell Lokheim]], but you will have a hard time recognizing when she constantly [[BreakingTheFourthWall breaks the fourth wall]] and making pop culture references.

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** Some heroes' voices are... outdated and still overly dependent on memes and pop culture. This can be seen with Ormarr and Kahlii, but Kahlii simply got it worse: Lore-wise, she has been revamped into the TokenGoodTeammate and non-malevolent member of [[TheLegionsOfHell Lokheim]], but you will have a hard time recognizing when she constantly [[BreakingTheFourthWall breaks the fourth wall]] and making spouts pop culture references.

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* {{Narm}}: Anything that comes out from Yena's mouth might not be able to envoy her personality as a calm and collected lady when her EN VA delivered her lines in an extremely monotonous, borderline EmotionlessGirl tone (She actually does have emotions, though her personality is actually more of an IceQueen). In comparison, her [[Creator/MiyukiSawashiro Japanese VA]] manages to envoy her emotions more clearly (and her ''Honor of Kings'' counterpart is voice-designed/directed with a lot more emotions in both languages).

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Anything that comes out from Yena's mouth might not be able to envoy her personality as a calm and collected lady when her EN VA delivered her lines in an extremely monotonous, borderline EmotionlessGirl tone (She actually does have emotions, though her personality is actually more of an IceQueen). In comparison, her [[Creator/MiyukiSawashiro Japanese VA]] manages to envoy her emotions more clearly (and her ''Honor of Kings'' counterpart is voice-designed/directed with a lot more emotions in both languages).languages).
** Some heroes' voices are... outdated and still overly dependent on memes and pop culture. This can be seen with Ormarr and Kahlii, but Kahlii simply got it worse: Lore-wise, she has been revamped into the TokenGoodTeammate and non-malevolent member of [[TheLegionsOfHell Lokheim]], but you will have a hard time recognizing when she constantly [[BreakingTheFourthWall breaks the fourth wall]] and making pop culture references.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: While the game's mostly spread well in Southeast Asia, ultimately the ones who made their love for ''Arena of Valor'' as part of their culture are Thailand and Vietnam. It has become the go-to mobile MOBA game of the nations, which seeped through various advertisements and meme, as Garena truly concentrated their efforts there. They almost did it for Indonesia, but eventually realized that ''VideoGame/MobileLegendsBangBang'' has rooted itself and dominated the advertising chances there first, so they still struggled there despite managing to nab a local hero character (Wiro Sableng) over there.
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* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: Long before Allain was introduced, there was several pair skins between Tulen and Butterfly. Fans take it that Butterfly has been dating Tulen behind Allain's back, even if Tulen stands on a higher level than her and [[{{Jerkass}} will probably look down on her.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[CardCarryingVillain Lorion, the Nightmare Incarnate]], is a [[Characters/ArenaOfValorMageHeroes magician]] who forms the Dark Den, a group only for evil magicians, and gleefully tortures and corrupts people that he notices "potential" within them, under the guise of "training". Fascinated by the corruptive powers of BlackMagic, Lorion attempts to capitalize on them for evil purposes, including ruling Athanor for himself. When he is killed by his ex-student D'Arcy, who rejected black magic after seeing its evil, Lorion is immediately reincarnated in a younger body by the Dark Andura Stone, which amplifies his evil thoughts. Lorion then [[ManipulativeBastard manipulates certain people and events]], including turning whole village inhabitants into demonic zombies, to create a miracle that will cause untold death and destruction within Athanor, all the while [[EvilGloating happily gloating about it]] in front of his victim and potential witnesses.

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* CompleteMonster: [[CardCarryingVillain ''Arena of Valor'' has two [[Characters/ArenaOfValorMageHeroes Mage Heroes]]:
** [[AxCrazy Mganga, the Unspeakable]], is a MonsterClown who delights in torturing other living beings [[ForScience for the sake of learning more power to claim for himself]], while laughing at the miseries of his victims. Mganga violated restrictions of magic research solely to learn about the forbidden Voodoo/Poison and Blood magic and was expelled from the Magister Council as a result. Hired by the demonic forces of Lokheim, Mganga continues his forbidden research and gleefully tortures any living beings assigned to him, some [[DrivenToMadness to the point of insanity]]. When he's not researching, Mganga executes tasks that result in the deaths of many either to further empower his research or [[ForTheEvulz just because he feels like it]]. Mganga stands out amongst the demonic forces of Lokheim as he's the only one who joined without any tragic circumstances or opposition with the forces of Light, but purely for the hunger of power for himself and the pleasure of inflicting pain on others.
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Lorion, the Nightmare Incarnate]], is a [[Characters/ArenaOfValorMageHeroes magician]] magician who forms the Dark Den, a group only for evil magicians, and gleefully tortures and corrupts [[TheCorrupter corrupts]] people that he notices "potential" within them, under the guise of "training". Fascinated by the corruptive powers of BlackMagic, Lorion attempts to capitalize on them for evil purposes, including ruling Athanor for himself. When he is killed by his ex-student D'Arcy, who rejected black magic after seeing its evil, Lorion is immediately reincarnated in a younger body by the Dark Andura Stone, which amplifies his evil thoughts. Lorion then [[ManipulativeBastard manipulates certain people and events]], including turning whole village inhabitants into demonic zombies, to create a miracle that will cause untold death and destruction within Athanor, all the while [[EvilGloating happily gloating about it]] in front of his victim and potential witnesses.
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** Valhein is basically a one-trick pony where all he had for his skills were just how to attack a single target while his passive runs on RNG thus not very dependable (and worse than Zanis, he doesn't even have extreme snowball mechanic). And he's also a newbie bait as he's one of the earlier Archers you get along with Tel'Annas (who's actually encouraged to stay pretty far due to her range, while Valhein needed to get a little closer to the danger zone to actually deal damage, plenty of time for his enemies to strike his weak spot), there are a lot of cases that when two sides picked Valhein, your Valhein is basically a dumb feeder while the enemy Valhein plays pretty good and contributes to your team. All these combined makes him a recurring resident of bottom tier in the meta.[[note]]And Tencent had no intention to revamp him for better, even if his predecessor, [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings Di Renjie]], ended up being revamped thus making him the more 'advanced' version and Di Renjie saw better reception than Valhein.[[/note]]

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** Valhein is basically a one-trick pony where all he had for his skills were just how to attack a single target while his passive runs on RNG thus not very dependable (and worse than Zanis, he doesn't even have extreme snowball mechanic). And he's also a newbie bait as he's one of the earlier Archers you get along with Tel'Annas (who's actually encouraged to stay pretty far due to her range, while Valhein needed to get a little closer to the danger zone to actually deal damage, plenty of time for his enemies to strike his weak spot), there are a lot of cases that when two sides picked Valhein, your Valhein is basically a dumb feeder while the enemy Valhein plays pretty good and contributes to your team. All these combined makes him a recurring resident of bottom tier in the meta.[[note]]And Even after Tencent had no intention to revamp him for better, even if his predecessor, [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings Di Renjie]], ended up being revamped thus him (but not making him the look more 'advanced' version and like the usually-regarded-as-solid Di Renjie saw better reception than Valhein.[[/note]]Renjie) to make his passive more reliable (and eliminates his magic power build), he still has similar issues.

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* BrokenBase: ''AOV''[='=]s latter heroes tends to be anime-inspired rather than [[AmericanKirbyIsHardcore the more hardcore, medieval designs of the earlier heroes]], and some of the older westernized designs like Arthur or Zephys gets a revamp to make them look thinner and anime-ish. This causes strife between the camp who believe that this anime-inspired designs are bland and merely pandering to the anime crowd at the cost of the greater older designs (to which this camp believed that they were attracted to ''AOV'' in the first place due to the Westernized designs, but since Tencent is moving away from that, these fans felt betrayed and considered leaving), with the camp that think it's a harmless gesture and should be OK, believing that Tencent got inspired with fellow Chinese-based game, ''VideoGame/GenshinImpact'', that gained great popularity with their anime-design and they could garner more popularity with it (or, ''VideoGame/HonorOfKings'' already had cutesy/pretty designs anyway, so it's more proper to follow its forebearer)

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* BrokenBase: ''AOV''[='=]s latter heroes tends to be anime-inspired rather than [[AmericanKirbyIsHardcore the more hardcore, medieval designs of the earlier heroes]], and some of the older westernized designs like Arthur or Zephys gets a revamp to make them look thinner and anime-ish. This causes strife between the camp who believe that this anime-inspired designs are bland and merely pandering to the anime crowd at the cost of the greater older designs (to which this camp believed that they were attracted to ''AOV'' in the first place due to the Westernized designs, but since Tencent is moving away from that, these fans felt betrayed and considered leaving), with the camp that think it's a harmless gesture and should be OK, believing that Tencent got inspired with fellow Chinese-based game, ''VideoGame/GenshinImpact'', that gained great popularity with their anime-design and they could garner more popularity with it (or, ''VideoGame/HonorOfKings'' already had cutesy/pretty designs anyway, so it's more proper to follow its forebearer)forebearer).
*CompleteMonster: [[CardCarryingVillain Lorion, the Nightmare Incarnate]], is a [[Characters/ArenaOfValorMageHeroes magician]] who forms the Dark Den, a group only for evil magicians, and gleefully tortures and corrupts people that he notices "potential" within them, under the guise of "training". Fascinated by the corruptive powers of BlackMagic, Lorion attempts to capitalize on them for evil purposes, including ruling Athanor for himself. When he is killed by his ex-student D'Arcy, who rejected black magic after seeing its evil, Lorion is immediately reincarnated in a younger body by the Dark Andura Stone, which amplifies his evil thoughts. Lorion then [[ManipulativeBastard manipulates certain people and events]], including turning whole village inhabitants into demonic zombies, to create a miracle that will cause untold death and destruction within Athanor, all the while [[EvilGloating happily gloating about it]] in front of his victim and potential witnesses.
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: There's a lot that easily mistake Iggy as a little girl, when in truth... he's a DudeLooksLikeALady.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: There's a lot that easily mistake Iggy as a little girl, when in truth... he's a DudeLooksLikeALady.DudeLooksLikeALady.
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* HighTierScrappy:
** Florentino is a constant resident of the ban list because he's too good at his job. For one thing, he's supposed to be an example of a CripplingOverspecialization: he's extremely good at dueling, to the point of being nigh-untouchable, and in the same time he really sucks at team fights or fighting multiple enemies at once. Despite his high skill ceiling, many people dread the times they find any particularly skilled Florentinos that easily shut down the Slayer Lane opposition because he's too good at dueling, and then scaring the hell out of the junglers while somehow slipping away without fail. And if you meet him in 1 vs 1 mode? ''Good luck''.
** Paine is a hero that is super dreaded as a jungler. He can freely jump on you unimpended by using one of his skills that sends out a projection that can't be damaged and then instantly jump right onto the projection rather than walking there and risking getting interrupted, all he needs is just a bush to hide (and if he's found out, he's got damage reduction and anti crowd control). Once he's on the spot, he attacks you in an area very quickly with silence and deals extra damage if you turn his back on him, and he can do this at a mere ''Level 2'', causing him to easily snowball. His ultimate is a much more sudden DynamicEntry that deals massive damage and allows him to deal surprising burst damages with all those taken in factor. Paine is one of the junglers that often get banned for a reason: You can't spell Paine without ''pain''.
** Nakroth is the hero with the most mobility in the game, with three dashes as long as his skills aren't in cooldown. This makes him not only able to zip through the jungle fast on a daily basis (so he can clear jungles faster), he's considered an extremely dangerous hit-and-run GlassCannon hero who kills squishies as fast as possible (his passive causes him to knock up after the fourth attack) and able to escape without being caught due to his many dashes, causing him to snowball so fast and carry the game with ease. It's even worse when he's supported with Aya, who takes care of his main drawback (his own squishiness).
* LowTierLetdown:
** Zanis, despite being generally a good SkillGateCharacter, is the type of 'Once you mastered the basic of jungling, ditch him' kind of hero. This is because he's a combination of snowball hero with MagikarpPower that he's overdependent on how many kills/assists he could get... ''and'' being a hero with minimum gap closer, all he had was just a speed boost and an ult that launches himself to one target, meaning that if things go south, he cannot escape reliably. All these combined means that he's the ultimate bully target in the early farming phase, shut him down during the early game and he'll mostly end up useless in the remainder of the game. Therefore, most people tend to consider Zanis rather unworthy of the efforts put for his snowball potential.
** Valhein is basically a one-trick pony where all he had for his skills were just how to attack a single target while his passive runs on RNG thus not very dependable (and worse than Zanis, he doesn't even have extreme snowball mechanic). And he's also a newbie bait as he's one of the earlier Archers you get along with Tel'Annas (who's actually encouraged to stay pretty far due to her range, while Valhein needed to get a little closer to the danger zone to actually deal damage, plenty of time for his enemies to strike his weak spot), there are a lot of cases that when two sides picked Valhein, your Valhein is basically a dumb feeder while the enemy Valhein plays pretty good and contributes to your team. All these combined makes him a recurring resident of bottom tier in the meta.[[note]]And Tencent had no intention to revamp him for better, even if his predecessor, [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings Di Renjie]], ended up being revamped thus making him the more 'advanced' version and Di Renjie saw better reception than Valhein.[[/note]]



* TierInducedScrappy:
** High Tiers
*** Florentino is a constant resident of the ban list because he's too good at his job. For one thing, he's supposed to be an example of a CripplingOverspecialization: he's extremely good at dueling, to the point of being nigh-untouchable, and in the same time he really sucks at team fights or fighting multiple enemies at once. Despite his high skill ceiling, many people dread the times they find any particularly skilled Florentinos that easily shut down the Slayer Lane opposition because he's too good at dueling, and then scaring the hell out of the junglers while somehow slipping away without fail. And if you meet him in 1 vs 1 mode? ''Good luck''.
*** Hayate is the marksman equivalent of Florentino. While he's not as bursty, he's notably extremely slippery and can still deal considerable damage while running away. This translates to 'Master Escape Artist Hayate': He slips away from a losing battle with ease and makes his enemy futilely chase him a lot. And he has a tendency to buy Hyoga's Edge, meaning that he'll then start to continuously slow you down with his shuriken tosses which sets him up to finish you off with his ultimate.
*** Paine. This is a hero that is super dreaded as a jungler. He can freely jump on you unimpended by using one of his skills that sends out a projection that can't be damaged and then instantly jump right onto the projection rather than walking there and risking getting interrupted, all he needs is just a bush to hide (and if he's found out, he's got damage reduction and anti crowd control). Once he's on the spot, he attacks you in an area very quickly with silence and deals extra damage if you turn his back on him, and he can do this at a mere ''Level 2'', causing him to easily snowball. His ultimate is a much more sudden DynamicEntry that deals massive damage and allows him to deal surprising burst damages with all those taken in factor. Paine is one of the junglers that often get banned for a reason: You can't spell Paine without ''pain''.
*** Nakroth. He's the hero with the most mobility in the game, with three dashes as long as his skills aren't in cooldown. This makes him not only able to zip through the jungle fast on a daily basis (so he can clear jungles faster), he's considered an extremely dangerous hit-and-run GlassCannon hero who kills squishies as fast as possible (his passive causes him to knock up after the fourth attack) and able to escape without being caught due to his many dashes, causing him to snowball so fast and carry the game with ease. It's even worse when he's supported with Aya, who takes care of his main drawback (his own squishiness).
** Low Tiers: Usually the SkillGateCharacter, but there are two that just stands out:
*** Zanis. Despite being generally a good SkillGateCharacter, he's the type of 'Once you mastered the basic of jungling, ditch him' kind of hero. This is because he's a combination of snowball hero with MagikarpPower that he's overdependent on how many kills/assists he could get... ''and'' being a hero with minimum gap closer, all he had was just a speed boost and an ult that launches himself to one target, meaning that if things go south, he cannot escape reliably. All these combined means that he's the ultimate bully target in the early farming phase, shut him down during the early game and he'll mostly end up useless in the remainder of the game. Therefore, most people tend to consider Zanis rather unworthy of the efforts put for his snowball potential.
*** Valhein. He's basically a one-trick pony where all he had for his skills were just how to attack a single target while his passive runs on RNG thus not very dependable (and worse than Zanis, he doesn't even have extreme snowball mechanic). And he's also a newbie bait as he's one of the earlier Archers you get along with Tel'Annas (who's actually encouraged to stay pretty far due to her range, while Valhein needed to get a little closer to the danger zone to actually deal damage, plenty of time for his enemies to strike his weak spot), there are a lot of cases that when two sides picked Valhein, your Valhein is basically a dumb feeder while the enemy Valhein plays pretty good and contributes to your team. All these combined makes him a recurring resident of bottom tier in the meta.[[note]]And Tencent had no intention to revamp him for better, even if his predecessor, [[VideoGame/HonorOfKings Di Renjie]], ended up being revamped thus making him the more 'advanced' version and Di Renjie saw better reception than Valhein.[[/note]]

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