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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] generated a lot of ire for his harsh criticisms of ''Andor'', which many fans of the show perceived as being surface-level nitpicks at best -- the most infamous being his {{memetic|Mutation}} "bricks and screws" argument decrying Andor's prop and set design as "lazy" and "immersion breaking." This ire resurfaced a year after the show's release when he tweeted that ''Andor'' was "not Star Wars" because it lacked aspects that he considered essential to the franchise, namely force-users, lightsabers, and large-scale space battles.
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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Creator/AndySerkis's portrayal of Kino Loy in this series won over several people who were otherwise dismissive of his previous role as Snoke from the Sequel Trilogy. His [[AFatherToHisMen genuine compassion for the prisoners that are working for him]] hidden behind a DrillSergeantNasty attitude was already endearing, but his subsequent collaboration with Cassian spurred from wanting them all to escape and live happier lives is nothing short of inspiring, even if he's sadly unable to accompany them all to the end. [[PlayingAgainstType And Serkis manages to sell every single moment of this without being a motion-captured character for once.]] Even compared to Serkis' all-live-action performances in ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' and ''Film/ThirteenGoingOnThirty'', Kino stands out as the least goofy.

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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Creator/AndySerkis's portrayal of Kino Loy in this series won over several people who were otherwise dismissive of his previous role as Snoke from the Sequel Trilogy. His [[AFatherToHisMen genuine compassion for the prisoners that are working for him]] hidden behind a DrillSergeantNasty attitude was already endearing, but his subsequent collaboration with Cassian spurred from wanting them all to escape and live happier lives is nothing short of inspiring, even if he's sadly unable to accompany them all to the end. [[PlayingAgainstType And Serkis manages to sell every single moment of this without being a motion-captured character or a live-action gooofball for once.]] Even compared to Serkis' all-live-action performances in ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' and ''Film/ThirteenGoingOnThirty'', Kino stands out as the least goofy.
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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Creator/AndySerkis's portrayal of Kino Loy in this series won over several people who were otherwise dismissive of his previous role as Snoke from the Sequel Trilogy. His [[AFatherToHisMen genuine compassion for the prisoners that are working for him]] hidden behind a DrillSergeantNasty attitude was already endearing, but his subsequent collaboration with Cassian spurred from wanting them all to escape and live happier lives is nothing short of inspiring, even if he's sadly unable to accompany them all to the end. [[PlayingAgainstType And Serkis manages to sell every single moment of this without being a motion-captured character for once.]] Even compared to Serkis' all-live-action performances in ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' and ''Film/13GoingOn30'', Kino stands out as the least goofy.

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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Creator/AndySerkis's portrayal of Kino Loy in this series won over several people who were otherwise dismissive of his previous role as Snoke from the Sequel Trilogy. His [[AFatherToHisMen genuine compassion for the prisoners that are working for him]] hidden behind a DrillSergeantNasty attitude was already endearing, but his subsequent collaboration with Cassian spurred from wanting them all to escape and live happier lives is nothing short of inspiring, even if he's sadly unable to accompany them all to the end. [[PlayingAgainstType And Serkis manages to sell every single moment of this without being a motion-captured character for once.]] Even compared to Serkis' all-live-action performances in ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' and ''Film/13GoingOn30'', ''Film/ThirteenGoingOnThirty'', Kino stands out as the least goofy.
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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Creator/AndySerkis's portrayal of Kino Loy in this series won over several people who were otherwise dismissive of his previous role as Snoke from the Sequel Trilogy. His [[AFatherToHisMen genuine compassion for the prisoners that are working for him]] hidden behind a DrillSergeantNasty attitude was already endearing, but his subsequent collaboration with Cassian spurred from wanting them all to escape and live happier lives is nothing short of inspiring, even if he's sadly unable to accompany them all to the end. [[PlayingAgainstType And Serkis manages to sell every single moment of this without being a motion-captured character for once.]]

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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Creator/AndySerkis's portrayal of Kino Loy in this series won over several people who were otherwise dismissive of his previous role as Snoke from the Sequel Trilogy. His [[AFatherToHisMen genuine compassion for the prisoners that are working for him]] hidden behind a DrillSergeantNasty attitude was already endearing, but his subsequent collaboration with Cassian spurred from wanting them all to escape and live happier lives is nothing short of inspiring, even if he's sadly unable to accompany them all to the end. [[PlayingAgainstType And Serkis manages to sell every single moment of this without being a motion-captured character for once.]]]] Even compared to Serkis' all-live-action performances in ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' and ''Film/13GoingOn30'', Kino stands out as the least goofy.
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* MagnificentBastard: See [[MagnificentBastard/StarWars here]].

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* MagnificentBastard: See Shares a page with [[MagnificentBastard/StarWars here]].the rest of the franchise]].
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** French hats and wine[[labelnote:Explanation]]Youtuber Star Wars Theory says Andor was a great show "for people who attended film school and wants to eat their cheese with a French hat while they twiddle their mustaches, talk about the Renaissance era, and sip wine from 1922". Andor fans mocked the viral clip and the idea that this ''Star Wars'' show is somehow pretentious high art.[[/labelnote]]

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** French hats and wine[[labelnote:Explanation]]Youtuber Star Wars Theory says Andor was a great show "for people who attended film school and wants to eat their cheese with a [[BuffySpeak French hat hat]] while they twiddle their mustaches, talk about the Renaissance era, and sip wine from 1922". Andor fans mocked the viral clip and the idea that this ''Star Wars'' show is somehow pretentious high art.[[/labelnote]]
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** Bricks and screws.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Controversial [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] was a major critic of ''Andor'', arguing in one video that the brick-and-mortar architecture of Ferrix doesn't fit the aesthetic of Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Franchise/StarWars'', and that the visible screws on some of the props was "lazy" and "immersion-breaking"... even though brick buildings and props with visible screws [[OlderThanTheyThink have long been a part of the franchise]], going all the way back to ''Film/ANewHope''. Critics of SWT and people fed up with his fanbase have subsequently taken to using "bricks and screws" as shorthand for surface-level criticism and FanDumb[=/=]HateDumb bashing.[[/labelnote]]

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** Bricks and screws.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Controversial [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] was a major critic of ''Andor'', arguing in one video that the brick-and-mortar architecture of Ferrix doesn't fit the aesthetic of Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Franchise/StarWars'', and that the visible screws on some of the props was "lazy" and "immersion-breaking"... even though brick buildings and props with visible screws [[OlderThanTheyThink have long been a part of the franchise]], going all the way back to ''Film/ANewHope''. Critics of SWT and people fed up with his fanbase have subsequently taken to using "bricks and screws" as shorthand for surface-level criticism and FanDumb[=/=]HateDumb bashing.criticism.[[/labelnote]]
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** "Ride/StarTours Andor"[[labelnote:Explanation]]After Disney announced that sequences for ''Andor'', ''{{Series/Ahsoka}}'', and ''The Mandalorian'' would be added to the ''Star Tours'' theme park ride, jokes abounded about how the ride would depict a much darker installment in the franchise, such as the ride forcing passengers to sacrifice the Rebel spy for the greater good, or being made to listen to Luthen's grim speeches or Nemik's manifesto.[[/labelnote]]

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** "Ride/StarTours Andor"[[labelnote:Explanation]]After Disney announced that sequences for ''Andor'', ''{{Series/Ahsoka}}'', and ''The Mandalorian'' ''Series/TheMandalorian'' would be added to the ''Star Tours'' theme park ride, jokes abounded about how the ride would depict a much darker installment in the franchise, such as the ride forcing passengers to sacrifice the Rebel spy for the greater good, or being made to listen to Luthen's grim speeches or Nemik's manifesto.[[/labelnote]]
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** "Ride/StarTours Andor"[[labelnote:Explanation]]After Disney announced that sequences for ''Andor'', ''{{Series/Ahsoka}}'', and ''The Mandalorian'' would be added to the ''Star Tours'' theme park ride, jokes abounded about how the ride would depict a much darker installment in the franchise, such as the ride forcing passengers to sacrifice the Rebel spy for the greater good, or being made to listen to Luthen's grim speeches or Nemik's manifesto.[[/labelnote]]
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** Bix's torture scene[[labelnote:Explanation]]During the episode "Nobody's Listening", Bix is tortured with the sounds of screaming, dying children of a nonhuman species as they are exterminated by the empire and reacts viscerally to it. [[NothingIsScarier As we don't hear what is actually being played]], it's become a joke to play other sounds jokingly labeled torturous instead, such as "[[Music/RickAstley Never Gonna Give You Up]]", K-Pop, and so on.[[/labelnote]]
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** As with every live-action ''Star Wars'' TV show airing after ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2, the first season of ''Andor'' didn't receive any Emmy nominations for acting, either.

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** As with every live-action ''Star Wars'' TV show airing after ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2, the first season of ''Andor'' didn't receive any Emmy nominations for acting, either. The Emmys that the season did get nominated for all ended up going to other shows.
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** French hats and wine[[labelnote:Explanation]]Youtuber Star Wars Theory says Andor was a great show "for people who attended film school and wants to eat their cheese with a French hat while they twiddle their mustaches, talk about the Renaissance era, and sip wine from 1922". Andor fans mocked the viral clip with pictures of stereotypical French people in berets.[[/labelnote]]

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** French hats and wine[[labelnote:Explanation]]Youtuber Star Wars Theory says Andor was a great show "for people who attended film school and wants to eat their cheese with a French hat while they twiddle their mustaches, talk about the Renaissance era, and sip wine from 1922". Andor fans mocked the viral clip with pictures of stereotypical French people in berets.and the idea that this ''Star Wars'' show is somehow pretentious high art.[[/labelnote]]
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** French hats and wine[[labelnote:Explanation]]Youtuber Star Wars Theory says Andor was a great show "for people who attended film school and wants to eat their cheese with a French hat while they twiddle their mustaches, talk about the Renaissance era, and sip wine from 1922". Andor fans mocked the viral clip with pictures of stereotypical French people in berets.[[/labelnote]]
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This show came out BEFORE The Mandalorian S3, and won't get an S3 of its own!


* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When first announced and in the lead-up to its release, ''Andor'' was generally met with ambivalence by the fandom and larger audience, seen by many as the odd-man-out of the slate of Disney+ spin-offs released in-between seasons of the beloved ''Series/TheMandalorian''. Some even accused Lucasfilm of scraping the bottom of the barrel for spin-off ideas by making a series about a supporting character from [[Film/RogueOne a single movie]] who audiences already know [[DevelopingDoomedCharacters died in its ending]]. Then it was released after ''Book of Boba Fett'', ''Kenobi'' and ''The Mandalorian'' season 3, all three facing stiff division within the fanbase. When ''Andor'' itself came out, it ended up impressing everyone with its writing, direction, maturity, worldbuilding and production values, with positive word-of-mouth causing it to quickly be hailed as one of the best Disney+ spin-offs and the only one comparable in quality to ''The Mandalorian'', to some even surpassing it especially after the third season.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When first announced and in the lead-up to its release, ''Andor'' was generally met with ambivalence by the fandom and larger audience, seen by many as the odd-man-out of the slate of Disney+ spin-offs released in-between seasons of the beloved ''Series/TheMandalorian''. Some even accused Lucasfilm of scraping the bottom of the barrel for spin-off ideas by making a series about a supporting character from [[Film/RogueOne a single movie]] who audiences already know [[DevelopingDoomedCharacters died in its ending]]. Then it was released after ''Book of Boba Fett'', ''Kenobi'' Fett'' and ''The Mandalorian'' season 3, all three ''Obi-Wan Kenobi'', both facing stiff division within the fanbase. When ''Andor'' itself came out, it ended up impressing everyone with its writing, direction, maturity, worldbuilding and production values, with positive word-of-mouth causing it to quickly be hailed as one of the best Disney+ spin-offs and the only one comparable in quality to ''The Mandalorian'', to some even surpassing it especially after the third season.it.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: More than a few fans took a liking to Lieutenant Dedra Meero of the [=ISB=] thanks to her professionalism, exceptional competency in contrast to average Imperial officers, and being quite [[EvilIsSexy easy on the eyes]], generating no small amount of RootingForTheEmpire. Even though she's still a hardline supporter of a tyrannical regime that rules the galaxy with an iron fist and [[spoiler:that she's not above pulling a ColdBloodedTorture on civilians and even killing them afterward once they prove no longer useful so that [[MakeAnExampleOfThem they serve as examples]] to anyone who stands up against the Empire, and it's implied that she quite enjoyed it as well.]]

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* DracoInLeatherPants: More than a few fans took a liking to Lieutenant Dedra Meero of the [=ISB=] thanks to her professionalism, exceptional competency in contrast to average Imperial officers, and being quite [[EvilIsSexy easy on the eyes]], eyes, generating no small amount of RootingForTheEmpire. Even though she's still a hardline supporter of a tyrannical regime that rules the galaxy with an iron fist and [[spoiler:that she's not above pulling a ColdBloodedTorture on civilians and even killing them afterward once they prove no longer useful so that [[MakeAnExampleOfThem they serve as examples]] to anyone who stands up against the Empire, and it's implied that she quite enjoyed it as well.]]



* EvilIsSexy: Dedra Meero has cold, sharp, classic beauty, especially in her spotless white ISB uniform, and carries herself with determined confidence. This can make her very pleasant to watch even when she's doing ''extremely'' unpleasant things.
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** "I share my dreams with ghosts..."[[labelnote:Explanation]]This somber speech from Luthen is sometimes humorously contrasted with the sillier or more kid-friendly aspects of ''Star Wars'm like Ewoks, Grogu's antics, etc.[[/labelnote]]

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** "I share my dreams with ghosts..."[[labelnote:Explanation]]This somber speech from Luthen is sometimes humorously contrasted with the sillier or more kid-friendly aspects of ''Star Wars'm Wars'' like Ewoks, Grogu's antics, etc.[[/labelnote]]
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** Luthen's somber "I share my dreams with ghosts" speech is sometimes humorously contrasted with the sillier or more kid-friendly aspects of the franchise like Ewoks, Grogu's antics, etc.

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** Luthen's somber "I share my dreams with ghosts" ghosts..."[[labelnote:Explanation]]This somber speech from Luthen is sometimes humorously contrasted with the sillier or more kid-friendly aspects of the franchise ''Star Wars'm like Ewoks, Grogu's antics, etc. etc.[[/labelnote]]
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** Did Creator/QuentinTarantino help direct?[[labelnote:Explanation]]The Narkina 5 episodes' frequent shots of BarefootCaptives' naked and susceptible feet, including some close looks at Cassian's unshod feet, unpleasantly reminded some viewers of Quentin Tarantino's tendency to close up on bare feet in his movies. An alternate version of this meme refers to "Narkina 5" as Tarantino's favorite episode.[[/labelnote]]

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** Did Creator/QuentinTarantino help direct?[[labelnote:Explanation]]The Narkina 5 episodes' frequent shots of Cassian's and the other BarefootCaptives' naked and susceptible feet, including some close looks at Cassian's unshod feet, feet unpleasantly reminded some viewers of Quentin Tarantino's tendency to close up on bare feet in his movies. An alternate version of this meme refers to "Narkina 5" as Tarantino's favorite episode.[[/labelnote]]
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** Bix ''really'' has a it rough. First, her boyfriend Timm betrays her [[AmicableExes Amicable Ex]] Cassian to the hated Pre-Mor security forces out of petty jealousy. she's then subjected to PoliceBrutality while trying to warn him, only to see Timm shot dead trying to protect her. Later, [[spoiler:after [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished trying to contact Cassian about Maarva's illness]], she is captured by the [=ISB=] and subjected to their horrific [[BrownNote auditory torture]] that leaves her a near-catatonic borderline EmptyShell. She ''is'' eventually rescued by Cassian in "Rix Road" and there are signs she might recover, but it's not going to be easy]].

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** Bix ''really'' has a it rough. First, her boyfriend Timm betrays her [[AmicableExes Amicable Ex]] Cassian to the hated Pre-Mor security forces out of petty jealousy. she's She's then subjected to PoliceBrutality while trying to warn him, only to see Timm shot dead trying to protect her. Later, [[spoiler:after [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished trying to contact Cassian about Maarva's illness]], she is captured by the [=ISB=] and subjected to their horrific [[BrownNote auditory torture]] that leaves her a near-catatonic borderline EmptyShell. She ''is'' eventually rescued by Cassian in "Rix Road" and there are signs she might recover, but it's not going to be easy]].
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** Bix ''really'' has a it rough. First, her boyfriend Timm betrays her [[AmicableExes AmicableEx]] Cassian to the hated Pre-Mor security forces out of petty jealousy. she's then subjected to PoliceBrutality while trying to warn him, only to see Timm shot dead trying to protect her. Later, [[spoiler:after [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished trying to contact Cassian about Maarva's illness]], she is captured by the [=ISB=] and subjected to their horrific [[BrownNote auditory torture]] that leaves her a near-catatonic borderline EmptyShell. She ''is'' eventually rescued by Cassian in "Rix Road" and there are signs she might recover, but it's not going to be easy]].

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** Bix ''really'' has a it rough. First, her boyfriend Timm betrays her [[AmicableExes AmicableEx]] Amicable Ex]] Cassian to the hated Pre-Mor security forces out of petty jealousy. she's then subjected to PoliceBrutality while trying to warn him, only to see Timm shot dead trying to protect her. Later, [[spoiler:after [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished trying to contact Cassian about Maarva's illness]], she is captured by the [=ISB=] and subjected to their horrific [[BrownNote auditory torture]] that leaves her a near-catatonic borderline EmptyShell. She ''is'' eventually rescued by Cassian in "Rix Road" and there are signs she might recover, but it's not going to be easy]].
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** Bix ''really'' has a it rough. First, her boyfriend Timm betrays her AmicableEx Cassian to the hated Pre-Mor security forces out of petty jealousy. she's then subjected to PoliceBrutality while trying to warn him, only to see Timm shot dead trying to protect her. Later, after [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished trying to contact Cassian about Maarva's illness]], she is captured by the [=ISB=] and subjected to their horrific [[BrownNote auditory torture]] that leaves her a near-catatonic borderline EmptyShell. She ''is'' eventually rescued by Cassian in "Rix Road" and there are signs she might recover, but it's not going to be easy.

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** Bix ''really'' has a it rough. First, her boyfriend Timm betrays her AmicableEx [[AmicableExes AmicableEx]] Cassian to the hated Pre-Mor security forces out of petty jealousy. she's then subjected to PoliceBrutality while trying to warn him, only to see Timm shot dead trying to protect her. Later, after [[spoiler:after [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished trying to contact Cassian about Maarva's illness]], she is captured by the [=ISB=] and subjected to their horrific [[BrownNote auditory torture]] that leaves her a near-catatonic borderline EmptyShell. She ''is'' eventually rescued by Cassian in "Rix Road" and there are signs she might recover, but it's not going to be easy.easy]].
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** Bix ''really'' has a it rough. First, her boyfriend Timm betrays her AmicableEx Cassian to the hated Pre-Mor security forces out of petty jealousy. she's then subjected to PoliceBrutality while trying to warn him, only to see Timm shot dead trying to protect her. Later, after [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished trying to contact Cassian about Maarva's illness]], she is captured by the [=ISB=] and subjected to their horrific [[BrownNote auditory torture]] that leaves her a near-catatonic borderline EmptyShell. She ''is'' eventually rescued by Cassian in "Rix Road" and there are signs she might recover, but it's not going to be easy.
** [=B2EMO=] becomes this too, following [[spoiler:Maarva's death. He keeps asking for her, and becomes so frightened to be alone that Brasso spends the night in Maarva's house to comfort the poor droid]].
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When first announced and in the lead-up to its release, ''Andor'' was generally met with ambivalence by the fandom and larger audience, seen by many as the odd-man-out of the slate of Disney+ spin-offs released in-between seasons of the beloved ''Series/TheMandalorian''. Some even accused Lucasfilm of scraping the bottom of the barrel for spin-off ideas by making a series about a supporting character from [[Film/RogueOne a single movie]] who audiences already know [[DevelopingDoomedCharacters died in its ending]]. Was released after the Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi and Mandolorian season 3, all three facing stiff division within the fanbase. Then release came and ''Andor'' ended up impressing everyone with its writing, direction, maturity, worldbuilding and production values, with positive word-of-mouth causing it to quickly be hailed as one of the best Disney+ spin-offs and the only one comparable in quality to ''The Mandalorian'', to some even surpassing it especially after the third season.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When first announced and in the lead-up to its release, ''Andor'' was generally met with ambivalence by the fandom and larger audience, seen by many as the odd-man-out of the slate of Disney+ spin-offs released in-between seasons of the beloved ''Series/TheMandalorian''. Some even accused Lucasfilm of scraping the bottom of the barrel for spin-off ideas by making a series about a supporting character from [[Film/RogueOne a single movie]] who audiences already know [[DevelopingDoomedCharacters died in its ending]]. Was Then it was released after the Book ''Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi Fett'', ''Kenobi'' and Mandolorian ''The Mandalorian'' season 3, all three facing stiff division within the fanbase. Then release came and When ''Andor'' itself came out, it ended up impressing everyone with its writing, direction, maturity, worldbuilding and production values, with positive word-of-mouth causing it to quickly be hailed as one of the best Disney+ spin-offs and the only one comparable in quality to ''The Mandalorian'', to some even surpassing it especially after the third season.
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** Bricks and screws.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Controversial [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] was a major critic of ''Andor'', arguing in one video that the brick-and-mortar architecture of Ferrix doesn't fit the aesthetic of Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Franchise/StarWars'', and that the visible screws on some of the props was "lazy" and "immersion-breaking"... even though brick buildings and props with visible screws [[OlderThanTheyThink have long been a part of the franchise]], going all the way back to ''Film/ANewHope''. Critics of SWT and people fed up with his fanbase have subsequently taken to using "bricks and screws" as shorthand for surface-level criticism and FanDumb/HateDumb bashing.[[/labelnote]]

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** Bricks and screws.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Controversial [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] was a major critic of ''Andor'', arguing in one video that the brick-and-mortar architecture of Ferrix doesn't fit the aesthetic of Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Franchise/StarWars'', and that the visible screws on some of the props was "lazy" and "immersion-breaking"... even though brick buildings and props with visible screws [[OlderThanTheyThink have long been a part of the franchise]], going all the way back to ''Film/ANewHope''. Critics of SWT and people fed up with his fanbase have subsequently taken to using "bricks and screws" as shorthand for surface-level criticism and FanDumb/HateDumb FanDumb[=/=]HateDumb bashing.[[/labelnote]]
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** Bricks and screws.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Controversial [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] was a major critic of ''Andor'', and in one video argued that the brick-and-mortar architecture of Ferrix doesn't fit the aesthetic of Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Franchise/StarWars'', and that the visible screws on some of the props was "lazy" and "immersion-breaking"... even though brick buildings and props with visible screws [[OlderThanTheyThink have long been a part of the franchise]], going all the way back to ''Film/ANewHope''. Critics of SWT and people fed up with his fanbase have subsequently taken to using "bricks and screws" as shorthand for surface-level criticism and FanDumb/HateDumb bashing.[[/labelnote]]

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** Bricks and screws.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Controversial [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] was a major critic of ''Andor'', and arguing in one video argued that the brick-and-mortar architecture of Ferrix doesn't fit the aesthetic of Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Franchise/StarWars'', and that the visible screws on some of the props was "lazy" and "immersion-breaking"... even though brick buildings and props with visible screws [[OlderThanTheyThink have long been a part of the franchise]], going all the way back to ''Film/ANewHope''. Critics of SWT and people fed up with his fanbase have subsequently taken to using "bricks and screws" as shorthand for surface-level criticism and FanDumb/HateDumb bashing.[[/labelnote]]
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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] generated a lot of ire from fans of ''Andor'' when he argued that the show is "not Star Wars" because it lacked aspects that he considered to be a staple to the franchise, such as lightsabers, space battles, and the force.

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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] generated a lot of ire from for his harsh criticisms of ''Andor'', which many fans of the show perceived as being surface-level nitpicks at best -- the most infamous being his {{memetic|Mutation}} "bricks and screws" argument decrying Andor's prop and set design as "lazy" and "immersion breaking." This ire resurfaced a year after the show's release when he tweeted that ''Andor'' when he argued that the show is was "not Star Wars" because it lacked aspects that he considered to be a staple essential to the franchise, such as namely force-users, lightsabers, and large-scale space battles, and the force.battles.



** Bricks and screws.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Controversial [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] stated that a reason that he disliked ''Andor'' was because he felt that the aesthetic of Ferrix, which features bricks and screws, doesn't fit the aesthetic of Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Franchise/StarWars''... [[OlderThanTheyThink Despite both of these things being present in the franchise since]] ''Film/ANewHope''. Critics of SWT and people fed up with his fanbase have subsequently taken to using "bricks and screws" as a joke about surface-level criticism of ''Star Wars''.[[/labelnote]]

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** Bricks and screws.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Controversial [=YouTuber=] [=StarWarsTheory=] stated that a reason that he disliked ''Andor'' was because he felt a major critic of ''Andor'', and in one video argued that the aesthetic brick-and-mortar architecture of Ferrix, which features bricks and screws, Ferrix doesn't fit the aesthetic of Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Franchise/StarWars''... ''Franchise/StarWars'', and that the visible screws on some of the props was "lazy" and "immersion-breaking"... even though brick buildings and props with visible screws [[OlderThanTheyThink Despite both have long been a part of these things being present in the franchise since]] franchise]], going all the way back to ''Film/ANewHope''. Critics of SWT and people fed up with his fanbase have subsequently taken to using "bricks and screws" as a joke about shorthand for surface-level criticism of ''Star Wars''.and FanDumb/HateDumb bashing.[[/labelnote]]
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* PeripheryDemographic: Many fans of spy fiction and political thrillers, especially [[Creator/TonyGilroy Tony Gilroy's]] other works, have come to enjoy ''Andor'' independent of its connection to ''Star Wars'', due to its surprisingly grounded take on the inner workings of and struggle against a galactic empire. This, unfortunately, has in turn given it the reputation as "''Star Wars'' for people who hate ''Star Wars''".

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* {{Padding}}: Because Mon Mothma and Cassian never interact during the first season, some viewers have confessed a disinterest in her efforts to prevent the Empire from learning about her contributions to the Rebellion; feeling that they ruin the pacing of stories that would otherwise fill four compelling TV specials rather than a whole season.
* PeripheryDemographic: Many fans of spy fiction and political thrillers, especially [[Creator/TonyGilroy Tony Gilroy's]] Creator/TonyGilroy's other works, have come to enjoy ''Andor'' independent of its connection to ''Star Wars'', due to its surprisingly grounded take on the inner workings of and struggle against a galactic empire. This, unfortunately, has in turn given it the reputation as "''Star Wars'' for people who hate ''Star Wars''".
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When first announced and in the lead-up to its release, ''Andor'' was generally met with ambivalence by the fandom and larger audience, seen by many as the odd-man-out of the slate of Disney+ spin-offs released in-between seasons of the beloved ''Series/TheMandalorian''. Some even accused Lucasfilm of scraping the bottom of the barrel for spin-off ideas by making a series about a supporting character from [[Film/RogueOne a single movie]] who audiences already know [[DevelopingDoomedCharacters died in its ending]]. Was released after the Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi and Mandolorian season 3, all three facing stiff division within the fanbase. Then release came and ''Andor'' ended up impressing everyone with its writing, direction, and production values, with positive word-of-mouth causing it to quickly be hailed as one of the best Disney+ spin-offs and the only one comparable in quality to ''The Mandalorian'', to some even surpassing it especially after the third season.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When first announced and in the lead-up to its release, ''Andor'' was generally met with ambivalence by the fandom and larger audience, seen by many as the odd-man-out of the slate of Disney+ spin-offs released in-between seasons of the beloved ''Series/TheMandalorian''. Some even accused Lucasfilm of scraping the bottom of the barrel for spin-off ideas by making a series about a supporting character from [[Film/RogueOne a single movie]] who audiences already know [[DevelopingDoomedCharacters died in its ending]]. Was released after the Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi and Mandolorian season 3, all three facing stiff division within the fanbase. Then release came and ''Andor'' ended up impressing everyone with its writing, direction, maturity, worldbuilding and production values, with positive word-of-mouth causing it to quickly be hailed as one of the best Disney+ spin-offs and the only one comparable in quality to ''The Mandalorian'', to some even surpassing it especially after the third season.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When first announced and in the lead-up to its release, ''Andor'' was generally met with ambivalence by the fandom and larger audience, seen by many as the odd-man-out of the slate of Disney+ spin-offs released in-between seasons of the beloved ''Series/TheMandalorian''. Some even accused Lucasfilm of scraping the bottom of the barrel for spin-off ideas by making a series about a supporting character from [[Film/RogueOne a single movie]] who audiences already know [[DevelopingDoomedCharacters died in its ending]]. Then release came and ''Andor'' ended up impressing everyone with its writing, direction, and production values, with positive word-of-mouth causing it to quickly be hailed as one of the best Disney+ spin-offs and the only one comparable in quality to ''The Mandalorian'', to some even surpassing it.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When first announced and in the lead-up to its release, ''Andor'' was generally met with ambivalence by the fandom and larger audience, seen by many as the odd-man-out of the slate of Disney+ spin-offs released in-between seasons of the beloved ''Series/TheMandalorian''. Some even accused Lucasfilm of scraping the bottom of the barrel for spin-off ideas by making a series about a supporting character from [[Film/RogueOne a single movie]] who audiences already know [[DevelopingDoomedCharacters died in its ending]]. Was released after the Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi and Mandolorian season 3, all three facing stiff division within the fanbase. Then release came and ''Andor'' ended up impressing everyone with its writing, direction, and production values, with positive word-of-mouth causing it to quickly be hailed as one of the best Disney+ spin-offs and the only one comparable in quality to ''The Mandalorian'', to some even surpassing it.it especially after the third season.

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