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** Frank at one point scolds Joey for just making excuses for why she hasn't seen her son. Frank himself is guilty of the same thing as he has kids himself. Is Frank just being a flat out Hypocrite? Was he really saying this from maybe understanding exactly why Joey feels the way she does and doesn't like being reminded of the excuses he might have made or just in general knows that is a excuse and is annoyed that Joey is just trying to justify her mistakes? Is it perhaps a case of AtLeastIAdmitIt with Frank where (at least to him) he makes no illusions about why he left his family and thinks Joey is trying to not take accountability? Also while Frank kind of willingly left his family, unlike Joey he still didn't completely have a choice so could it be he feels there is no reason she can't see her son?
** For most of the final confrontation Abigail favors [[spoiler: biting Frank over staking him.]] Is this just her normal attack pattern she's using out of habit? Or is she afraid that [[spoiler: her power loss will be permanent if she doesn't drain him back.]]

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** Frank at one point scolds Joey for just making excuses for why she hasn't seen her son. Frank himself is guilty of the same thing as he has kids himself. Is Frank just being a flat out Hypocrite? {{Hypocrite}}? Was he really saying this from maybe understanding exactly why Joey feels the way she does and [[YouAreWhatYouHate doesn't like being reminded of the excuses he might have made made]], or just in general knows that is a excuse and is annoyed that Joey is just trying to justify her mistakes? Is it perhaps a case of AtLeastIAdmitIt with Frank where (at least to him) he makes no illusions about why he left his family and thinks Joey is trying to not take accountability? Also Also, while Frank kind of willingly left his family, unlike Joey Joey, he still didn't completely have a choice so could it be he feels there is no reason she can't see her son?
** For most of the final confrontation Abigail favors [[spoiler: biting Frank over staking him.]] Is this just her normal attack pattern she's using out of habit? Or is she afraid that [[spoiler: her power loss will be permanent if she doesn't drain him back.]]back?]]
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* CompleteMonster: Frank starts out the film having zero hesitation to kidnap and even physically assault (what he believes is) an innocent child. He only gets worse as the film progresses, before finally shedding any trace of decency when he becomes a vampire, stating to Joey that he plans on turning her and then making her kill her own child.
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*CompleteMonster: Frank starts out the film having zero hesitation to kidnap and even physically assault (what he believes is) an innocent child. He only gets worse as the film progresses, before finally shedding any trace of decency when he becomes a vampire, stating to Joey that he plans on turning her and then making her kill her own child.
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** For most of the final confrontation Abigail favors [[spoiler: biting Frank over staking him.]] Is this just her normal attack pattern she's using out of habit? Or is she afraid that [[spoiler: her power loss will be permanent if she doesn't drain him back.]]
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* FriendlyFandoms: Unsurprisingly, the film has quickly developed one with fans of Radio Silence's previous efforts, both their entries into the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series, helped by the presence of Melissa Barrera, and ''Film/ReadyOrNot2019'', another film with an extremely gruesome sense of humor about someone being hunted in a mansion. Fans like to imagine a crossover where Joey and Grace meet and become friends.

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* FriendlyFandoms: Unsurprisingly, the film has quickly developed one with fans of Radio Silence's previous efforts, both their entries into the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series, helped by the presence of Melissa Barrera, Creator/MelissaBarrera, and ''Film/ReadyOrNot2019'', another film with an extremely gruesome sense of humor about someone being hunted in a mansion. Fans like to imagine a crossover where Joey and Grace meet and become friends.
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** Frank at one point scolds Joey for just making excuses for why she hasn't seen her son. Frank himself is guilty of the same thing as he has kids himself. Is Frank just being a flat out Hypocrite? Was he really saying this from maybe understanding exactly why Joey feels the way she does and doesn't like being reminded of the excuses he might have made or just in general knows that is a excuse and is annoyed that Joey is just trying to justify her mistakes? Is it perhaps a case of AtLeastIAdmit with Frank where (at least to him) he makes no illusions about why he left his family and thinks Joey is trying to not take accountability? Also while Frank kind of willingly left his family, unlike Joey he still didn't completely have a choice so could it be he feels there is no reason she can't see her son?

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** Frank at one point scolds Joey for just making excuses for why she hasn't seen her son. Frank himself is guilty of the same thing as he has kids himself. Is Frank just being a flat out Hypocrite? Was he really saying this from maybe understanding exactly why Joey feels the way she does and doesn't like being reminded of the excuses he might have made or just in general knows that is a excuse and is annoyed that Joey is just trying to justify her mistakes? Is it perhaps a case of AtLeastIAdmit AtLeastIAdmitIt with Frank where (at least to him) he makes no illusions about why he left his family and thinks Joey is trying to not take accountability? Also while Frank kind of willingly left his family, unlike Joey he still didn't completely have a choice so could it be he feels there is no reason she can't see her son?
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** Frank at one point scolds Joey for just making excuses for why she hasn't seen her son. Frank himself is guilty of the same thing as he has kids himself. Is Frank just being a flat out Hypocrite or was he really saying this from maybe understanding exactly why Joey feels the way she does and doesn't like being reminded of the excuses he might have made? Is it also because while Frank kind of willingly left his family, unlike Joey he still didn't completely have a choice so he feels there is no reason she can't see her son?

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** Frank at one point scolds Joey for just making excuses for why she hasn't seen her son. Frank himself is guilty of the same thing as he has kids himself. Is Frank just being a flat out Hypocrite or was Hypocrite? Was he really saying this from maybe understanding exactly why Joey feels the way she does and doesn't like being reminded of the excuses he might have made? made or just in general knows that is a excuse and is annoyed that Joey is just trying to justify her mistakes? Is it also because perhaps a case of AtLeastIAdmit with Frank where (at least to him) he makes no illusions about why he left his family and thinks Joey is trying to not take accountability? Also while Frank kind of willingly left his family, unlike Joey he still didn't completely have a choice so could it be he feels there is no reason she can't see her son?
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* MoralEventHorizon: If he hadn't crossed it when he betrayed his informants to be murdered for his own benefit, [[spoiler:Frank definitely crosses it after turning into a vampire and revealing his plan to make Joey track down and murder her own son out of pure sadism]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: If he hadn't crossed it when he betrayed his informants to be murdered for his own benefit, [[spoiler:Frank definitely crosses it after turning into a vampire and revealing his plan to make Joey track down and murder her own son out of pure sadism]]. May also count as a SanitySlippage for [[spoiler:Frank]].
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* EvilIsCool: Abigail herself is a little powerhouse who is always a step ahead of Joey and the kidnappers who boasts an impressive array of vampiric powers. It is no surprise that she is feared by the underground as evidenced by her title [[RedBaron Valdez]]. She is also a brilliant dancer.

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* EvilIsCool: Abigail herself is a little powerhouse who is always a step ahead of Joey and the kidnappers who boasts an with her impressive array of vampiric powers. It is no surprise that she is feared by the underground as evidenced by her title [[RedBaron Valdez]]. She is also a brilliant dancer.
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* EvilIsCool: Abigail herself is a little powerhouse who is always a step ahead of Joey and the kidnappers who boasts an impressive array of vampiric powers. It is no surprise that she is feared by the underground as evidenced by her title [[RedBaron Valdez]]. She is also a brilliant dancer.
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* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:Creator/MatthewGoode as Abigail's father, who is heavily implied to be Dracula, only appears at the end but he makes one hell of an impact, showing exactly why his character is so feared by everyone who knows of him, but also showing enough humanity and restraint to thank Joey for saving Abigail from Frank and letting her leave]].
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sammy doesn't bond with Abigail like Joey does, but she also makes no attempt to harm the girl until her true nature is revealed. [[spoiler: Abigail turns her into a vampiric puppet to use as cannon fodder.]]

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* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:Creator/MatthewGoode as Abigail's father, who is heavily implied to be Dracula, only appears at the end but he makes one hell of an impact, showing exactly why his character is so feared by everyone who knows of him, but also showing enough humanity and restraint to thank Joey for saving Abigail from Frank and letting her leave]].
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sammy doesn't bond with Abigail like Joey does, but she also makes no attempt to harm the girl until her true nature is revealed. [[spoiler: Abigail turns her into a vampiric puppet to use as cannon fodder.]]
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** Frank at one point scolds Joey for just making excuses for why she hasn't seen her son. Frank himself is guilty of the same thing as he has kids himself. Is Frank just being a flat out Hypocrite or was he really saying this from maybe understanding exactly why Joey feels the way she does and doesn't like being reminded of the excuses he might have made. Is it also because while Frank kind of willingly left his family, unlike Joey he still didn't completely have a choice.

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** Frank at one point scolds Joey for just making excuses for why she hasn't seen her son. Frank himself is guilty of the same thing as he has kids himself. Is Frank just being a flat out Hypocrite or was he really saying this from maybe understanding exactly why Joey feels the way she does and doesn't like being reminded of the excuses he might have made. made? Is it also because while Frank kind of willingly left his family, unlike Joey he still didn't completely have a choice. choice so he feels there is no reason she can't see her son?
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** Frank at one point scolds Joey for just making excuses for why she hasn't seen her son. Frank himself is guilty of the same thing as he has kids himself. Is Frank just being a flat out Hypocrite or was he really saying this from maybe understanding exactly why Joey feels the way she does and doesn't like being reminded of the excuses he might have made. Is it also because while Frank kind of willingly left his family, unlike Joey he still didn't completely have a choice.
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** Are vampires AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler:Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler:torturing a character who hadn't wronged him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampires have had time to relearn. This also raises the question of whether [[spoiler: Lambert]], with two years more experience was acting on impulse, or actually had a plan for [[spoiler: two fledgling vampire's to take down DRACULA.]]

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** Are vampires AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler:Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler:torturing a character who hadn't wronged him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampires have had time to relearn. This also raises the question of whether [[spoiler: Lambert]], with two years more experience was acting on impulse, or actually had a plan for [[spoiler: two fledgling vampire's vampires to take down DRACULA.]]'''Dracula''']].



* MoralEventHorizon: If he hadn't crossed it when he betrayed his informants to be murdered for his own benefit, [[spoiler:Frank definitely crosses it after turning into a vampire and revealing his plan to make Joey track down and murder her own son out of pure sadism.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: If he hadn't crossed it when he betrayed his informants to be murdered for his own benefit, [[spoiler:Frank definitely crosses it after turning into a vampire and revealing his plan to make Joey track down and murder her own son out of pure sadism.]]sadism]].



* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:Creator/MatthewGoode as Abigail's father, who is heavily implied to be Dracula, only appears at the end but he makes one hell of an impact, showing exactly why his character is so feared by everyone who knows of him, but also showing enough humanity and restraint to thank Joey for saving Abigail from Frank and letting her leave.]]

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* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:Creator/MatthewGoode as Abigail's father, who is heavily implied to be Dracula, only appears at the end but he makes one hell of an impact, showing exactly why his character is so feared by everyone who knows of him, but also showing enough humanity and restraint to thank Joey for saving Abigail from Frank and letting her leave.]]leave]].
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* FriendlyFandoms: Unsurprisingly, the film has quickly developed one with fans of Radio Silence's previous efforts, both their entries into the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series, helped by the presence of Melissa Barerra, and ''Film/ReadyOrNot2019'', another film with an extremely gruesome sense of humor about someone being hunted in a mansion. Fans like to imagine a crossover where Joey and Grace meet and become friends.

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* FriendlyFandoms: Unsurprisingly, the film has quickly developed one with fans of Radio Silence's previous efforts, both their entries into the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series, helped by the presence of Melissa Barerra, Barrera, and ''Film/ReadyOrNot2019'', another film with an extremely gruesome sense of humor about someone being hunted in a mansion. Fans like to imagine a crossover where Joey and Grace meet and become friends.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampires AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler:Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler:torturing a character who hadn't wronged him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampires have had time to relearn. This also raises the question of whether [[spoiler: Lambert]], with two years more experience was acting on impulse, or actually had a plan for [[spoiler: two fledgling vampire's to take down DRACULA.]]

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Are vampires AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler:Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler:torturing a character who hadn't wronged him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampires have had time to relearn. This also raises the question of whether [[spoiler: Lambert]], with two years more experience was acting on impulse, or actually had a plan for [[spoiler: two fledgling vampire's to take down DRACULA.]]
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** Abigail claims she's been alive for "centuries," but also says her father turned her in that very house. While it isn't impossible that the house could be 200 years old, it does seem suspect, raising further questions of what we do or don't know about her for sure.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampires AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler:Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler:torturing a character who hadn't wronged him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampires have had time to relearn.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampires AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler:Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler:torturing a character who hadn't wronged him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampires have had time to relearn. This also raises the question of whether [[spoiler: Lambert]], with two years more experience was acting on impulse, or actually had a plan for [[spoiler: two fledgling vampire's to take down DRACULA.]]
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* NauseaFuel: The scene where Sammy falls into a pool full of countless rotting corpses is absolutely sickening.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampire's AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler: Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler: torturing a character who hadn't wronged him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampire's have had time to relearn.
* FriendlyFandoms: Unsurprisingly, the film has quickly developed one with fans of Radio Silence's previous efforts, both their entries into the ''Franchise/Scream'' series, helped by the presence of Melissa Barerra, and Film/ReadyOrNot2019, another film about someone being hunted in a mansion and with an extremely gruesome sense of humor. Fans like to imagine a crossover where Joey and Grace meet and become friends.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampire's vampires AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler: Frank's]] [[spoiler:Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler: torturing [[spoiler:torturing a character who hadn't wronged him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampire's vampires have had time to relearn.
* FriendlyFandoms: Unsurprisingly, the film has quickly developed one with fans of Radio Silence's previous efforts, both their entries into the ''Franchise/Scream'' ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series, helped by the presence of Melissa Barerra, and Film/ReadyOrNot2019, ''Film/ReadyOrNot2019'', another film about someone being hunted in a mansion and with an extremely gruesome sense of humor.humor about someone being hunted in a mansion. Fans like to imagine a crossover where Joey and Grace meet and become friends.



* MoralEventHorizon: If he hadn't crossed it when he betrayed his informants to be murdered for his own benefit, [[spoiler: Frank definitely crosses it after turning into a vampire and revealing his plan to make Joey track down and murder her own son out of pure sadism.]]
* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler: Creator/MatthewGoode as Abigail's father, who is heavily implied to be Dracula, only appears at the end but he makes one hell of an impact, showing exactly why his character is so feared by everyone who knows of him, but also showing enough humanity and restraint to thank Joey for saving Abigail from Frank and letting her leave.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: If he hadn't crossed it when he betrayed his informants to be murdered for his own benefit, [[spoiler: Frank [[spoiler:Frank definitely crosses it after turning into a vampire and revealing his plan to make Joey track down and murder her own son out of pure sadism.]]
* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler: Creator/MatthewGoode [[spoiler:Creator/MatthewGoode as Abigail's father, who is heavily implied to be Dracula, only appears at the end but he makes one hell of an impact, showing exactly why his character is so feared by everyone who knows of him, but also showing enough humanity and restraint to thank Joey for saving Abigail from Frank and letting her leave.]]
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* FriendlyFandoms: Unsurprisingly, the film has quickly developed one with fans of Radio Silence's previous efforts, both their entries into the ''Franchise/Scream'' series, helped by the presence of Melissa Barerra, and Film/ReadyOrNot2019, another film about someone being hunted in a mansion and with an extremely gruesome sense of humor. Fans like to imagine a crossover where Joey and Grace meet and become friends.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampire's AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler: Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler: torturing a character who hadn't wrong him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampire's have had time to relearn.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampire's AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent? Based on [[spoiler: Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler: torturing a character who hadn't wrong wronged him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampire's have had time to relearn.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampire's AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampire's AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent?violent? Based on [[spoiler: Frank's]] erratic behavior, [[spoiler: torturing a character who hadn't wrong him in any way, and using powers to show off when he'd previously been more practical]], an argument could be made that the transformation SEVERELY impacts impulse control, which older vampire's have had time to relearn.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sammy doesn't bond with Abigail like Joey does, but she also makes no attempt to harm the girl until her true nature is revealed. [[spoiler: Abigail turns her into a vampiric puppet to use we canon fodder.]]

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sammy doesn't bond with Abigail like Joey does, but she also makes no attempt to harm the girl until her true nature is revealed. [[spoiler: Abigail turns her into a vampiric puppet to use we canon as cannon fodder.]]
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*AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are vampire's AlwaysChaoticEvil? Or do they simply not turn people who aren't already violent?
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* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler: Creator/MatthewGoode as Abigail's father, who is heavily implied to be Dracula, only appears at the end but he makes one hell of an impact, showing exactly why his character is so feared by everyone who knows of him, but also showing enough humanity and restraint to thank Joey for saving Abigail from Frank and letting her leave.]]

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* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler: Creator/MatthewGoode as Abigail's father, who is heavily implied to be Dracula, only appears at the end but he makes one hell of an impact, showing exactly why his character is so feared by everyone who knows of him, but also showing enough humanity and restraint to thank Joey for saving Abigail from Frank and letting her leave.]]
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sammy doesn't bond with Abigail like Joey does, but she also makes no attempt to harm the girl until her true nature is revealed. [[spoiler: Abigail turns her into a vampiric puppet to use we canon fodder.
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* MoralEventHorizon: If he hadn't crossed it when he betrayed his informants to be murdered for his own benefit, [[spoiler: Frank definitely crosses it after turning into a vampire and revealing his plan to make Joey track down and murder her own son out of pure sadism.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: If he hadn't crossed it when he betrayed his informants to be murdered for his own benefit, [[spoiler: Frank definitely crosses it after turning into a vampire and revealing his plan to make Joey track down and murder her own son out of pure sadism.]]
* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler: Creator/MatthewGoode as Abigail's father, who is heavily implied to be Dracula, only appears at the end but he makes one hell of an impact, showing exactly why his character is so feared by everyone who knows of him, but also showing enough humanity and restraint to thank Joey for saving Abigail from Frank and letting her leave.
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* LoveToHate: Abigail herself is a horrible, gleefully murderous vampire but Alisha Weir's charismatic, delightfully evil performance means she's a joy to watch.

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* LoveToHate: Abigail herself is a horrible, gleefully murderous vampire but Alisha Weir's charismatic, delightfully evil performance means she's a joy to watch.watch.
* MoralEventHorizon: If he hadn't crossed it when he betrayed his informants to be murdered for his own benefit, [[spoiler: Frank definitely crosses it after turning into a vampire and revealing his plan to make Joey track down and murder her own son out of pure sadism.]]
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* LoveToHate: Abigail herself is a horrible, gleefully murderous vampire but Alisha Weir's charismatic, delightfully evil performance means she's a joy to watch.

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