History WhatTheHellHero / MarvelUniverse

** In Issue #55, Reed immobilizes Ben after the latter went on a jealous RoaringRampageOfRevenge against the ComicBook/SilverSurfer after he saw him hanging out with [[LoveInterest Alicia]], and gives one of the biggest dressing-downs of his entire career.

** The fact that he kept all that [[ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan Dr. Octopus gained him when he bodyjacked Peter]] comes back to bite him in the ass in the first issue of ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018'', when Peter is accused of stealing Ock's work. Since he can't reveal the truth without outing himself as Spider-Man, Peter loses his new job at the ''Daily Bugle'' and strains his relationship wih his Aunt May. Peter even concedes that he should've canceled his own degree and shut down Parker Industries.

* ''Franchise/XMen'':

* A nonverbal one occurs in the mini ''ComicBook/BetaRayBill: Godhunter''. Bill has decided to take fatal revenge on Galactus for destroying the remnants of his people by destroying planets marked for his consumption with weapons confiscated from an intergalactic arms dealer. [[spoiler:One race insists that they will fight Galactus rather than evacuate, but Bill (rather than let them go through a suicidal last stand) is convinced by said arms dealer to infect them with a bio-war agent and use the cure to blackmail them into leaving. They do so, but when next he tries to pick up his [[DropTheHammer enchanted hammer Stormbreaker]]...he cannot.]]

** In ''Avengers Annual #10'', Carol Danvers a.k.a. ComicBook/MsMarvel gives the Avengers an epic verbal beating regarding the events of the [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] ''Avengers #200''.[[note]]Essentially, she was kidnapped by Immortus's son who wanted to escape from Limbo. In order to do this, he essentially raped her (via mind-control machines) so she could get pregnant and give birth to him back in reality. The other Avengers fail to see anything wrong with this scenario when it's explained to them (because he said he only used the machines ''a bit''), and when reality starts unraveling because of his presence they cheerfully allow Carol to go back with him even though she's clearly [[NotHimself Not Herself]]. The speech comes after he dies and she returns to reality, completely aware of how she was manipulated and how her friends allowed it to happen without showing any concern for her.[[/note]] [[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/819915.html Witness it here in all its glory.]] And consider that this takes place at a point when Carol had lost her memories and was getting them put back together by Professor X, with the result that while she remembered what happened, she no longer had the emotional attachment to them--they were basically the equivalent of what she'd seen on TV. And she ''still'' reacted with that much rage. One can only imagine what would have happened had her mind been completely intact.

** In ''Avengers Annual #10'', Carol Danvers a.k.a. ComicBook/MsMarvel gives the Avengers an epic verbal beating regarding the events of the [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] ''Avengers #200''.[[note]]Essentially, she was kidnapped by Immortus's son who wanted to escape from Limbo. In order to do this, he essentially raped her (via mind-control machines) so she could get pregnant and give birth to him back in reality. The other Avengers fail to see anything wrong with this scenario when it's explained to them, and when reality starts unraveling because of his presence they cheerfully allow Carol to go back with him even though she's clearly [[NotHimself Not Herself]]. The speech comes after he dies and she returns to reality, completely aware of how she was manipulated and how her friends allowed it to happen without showing any concern for her.[[/note]] [[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/819915.html Witness it here in all its glory.]] And consider that this takes place at a point when Carol had lost her memories and was getting them put back together by Professor X, with the result that while she remembered what happened, she no longer had the emotional attachment to them--they were basically the equivalent of what she'd seen on TV. And she ''still'' reacted with that much rage. One can only imagine what would have happened had her mind been completely intact.

** From within their own ranks, there's [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] chewing the group out after everyone but him and [[Franchise/XMen Professor Xavier]][[note]]who was missing at the time due to ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', ''ComicBook/XMenDeadlyGenesis'' and "ComicBook/RiseAndFallOfTheShiarEmpire"[[/note]] decided [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk launching the Hulk into space was a good idea]] [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk and was right about the Hulk coming back pissed off]] -- and even when he did get wind of this, Xavier said he would be in favor of a temporary exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' the permanent one the others opted for.

** Franchise/SpiderMan ends up being so disturbed by ComicBook/IronMan's morally dubious actions (such as imprisoning non-registered superhumans indefinitely without trial) during Marvel's ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'' crossover that he defects from the pro-Registration side to the anti-Registration side.

* ''Franchise/SpiderMan'':
** In ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfJeanDeWolff'' storyline, [[ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} Matt Murdock]] serves as a public defender to a group of thugs who assaulted and robbed an old man who was friends with Franchise/SpiderMan's Aunt May. Spider-Man, as Peter Parker, confronts Matt and asks him how he can look at himself in the mirror. Matt, [[YouKnowImBlackRight who is blind]], jokingly responds, "It's a challenge". This leads to Peter getting a "What the hell" response from his Aunt May for his rudeness. A later scene with Matt and a judge does suggest that Matt thinks Peter had a point. Peter later gets another one from Daredevil when he almost kills the Sin-Eater.

** The fact that he kept all that [[ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan Dr. Octopus gained him when he bodyjacked Peter]] comes back to bite him in the ass in the first issue of ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer'', when Peter is accused of stealing Ock's work. Since he can't reveal the truth without outing himself as Spider-Man, Peter loses his new job at the ''Daily Bugle'' and strains his relationship wih his Aunt May. Peter even concedes that he should've canceled his own degree and shut down Parker Industries.

** In ''Avengers Annual #10'', Carol Danvers a.k.a. ComicBook/MsMarvel gives the Avengers an epic verbal beating regarding the events of the [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] ''Avengers #200''.[[note]]Essentially, she was kidnapped by Immortus's son who wanted to escape from Limbo. In order to do this, he essentially raped her (via mind-control machines) so she could get pregnant and give birth to him back in reality. The other Avengers fail to see anything wrong with this scenario when it's explained to them, and when reality starts unraveling because of his presence they cheerfully allow Carol to go back with him even though she's clearly [[NotHimself Not Herself]]. The speech comes after he dies and she returns to reality, completely aware of how she was manipulated and how her friends allowed it to happen without showing any concern for her.[[/note]] [[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/819915.html Witness it here in all its glory.]] And consider that this takes place at a point when Carol had lost her memories and was getting them put back together by Professor X, with the result that while she remembered what happened, she no longer had the emotional attachment to them- they were basically the equivalent of what she'd seen on TV. And she ''still'' reacted with that much rage. One can only imagine what would have happened had her mind been completely intact.

** In Avengers Annual #10, Carol Danvers a.k.a. ComicBook/MsMarvel gives the Avengers an epic verbal beating regarding the events of the [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] Avengers # 200.[[note]]Essentially, she was kidnapped by Immortus's son who wanted to escape from Limbo. In order to do this, he essentially raped her (via mind-control machines) so she could get pregnant and give birth to him back in reality. The other Avengers fail to see anything wrong with this scenario when it's explained to them, and when reality starts unraveling because of his presence they cheerfully allow Carol to go back with him even though she's clearly [[NotHimself Not Herself]]. The speech comes after he dies and she returns to reality, completely aware of how she was manipulated and how her friends allowed it to happen without showing any concern for her.[[/note]] [[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/819915.html Witness it here in all its glory.]] And consider that this takes place at a point when Carol had lost her memories and was getting them put back together by Professor X, with the result that while she remembered what happened, she no longer had the emotional attachment to them- they were basically the equivalent of what she'd seen on TV. And she ''still'' reacted with that much rage. One can only imagine what would have happened had her mind been completely intact.

** Carol Danvers a.k.a. ComicBook/MsMarvel eventually gives the Avengers an epic verbal beating regarding the events of the [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] Avengers # 200.[[note]]Essentially, she was kidnapped by Immortus's son who wanted to escape from Limbo. In order to do this, he essentially raped her (via mind-control machines) so she could get pregnant and give birth to him back in reality. The other Avengers fail to see anything wrong with this scenario when it's explained to them, and when reality starts unraveling because of his presence they cheerfully allow Carol to go back with him even though she's clearly [[NotHimself Not Herself]]. The speech comes after he dies and she returns to reality, completely aware of how she was manipulated and how her friends allowed it to happen without showing any concern for her.[[/note]] [[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/819915.html Witness it here in all its glory.]] And consider that this takes place at a point when Carol had lost her memories and was getting them put back together by Professor X, with the result that while she remembered what happened, she no longer had the emotional attachment to them- they were basically the equivalent of what she'd seen on TV. And she ''still'' reacted with that much rage. One can only imagine what would have happened had her mind been completely intact.

** ''ComicBook/ArmorWars'' was a storyline-long one for Tony. Tony goes overboard when he finds out someone stole his tech to upgrade various villains -- and winds up pissing most everyone he knows off in going outside the law. S.H.I.E.L.D., unaware Tony's Iron Man at this point, hires Tony [[HiredToHuntYourself to hunt down Iron Man]] and the government [[CreateYourOwnVillain creates Firepower to stop him]]. The ComicBook/WestCoastAvengers toss Tony out on his ass and Tony's relationship with [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steve Rogers]] (then operating as "the Captain") was strained, Steve even returning a vibranium shield Tony made for him, coming to consider it a bribe to keep him out of the way.
** Franchise/SpiderMan ends up being so disturbed by ComicBook/IronMan's morally dubious actions (such as imprisoning non-registered superhumans indefinitely without trial) during Marvel's ComicBook/CivilWar crossover that he defects from the pro-Registration side to the anti-Registration side.

** The Punisher also dishes these out, as he's prone to ask heroes how many people have been killed by supervillains in their respective Rogue's Galleries because they didn't have the courage (in his opinion) to put an end to them once and for all. From Frank's perspective, the heroes have to take some of the blame for these deaths. Frank sees the world in ''extremely'' black-and-white terms.

** Hulk also gave one to Tony and the other members of the Illuminati during ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk''. Hulk wanted revenge on the Illuminati for trying to exile him to a supposedly peaceful world, though in reality he ended up on a very hostile world which he eventually brought peace to and found happiness on, only to have the very ship that brought him there explode, ruining the planet and [[spoiler:killing his new wife]]. This was subject to a very blatant AuthorsSavingThrow when it was revealed that the ship couldn't have possibly ravaged a planet itself by exploding; rather, one of Hulk's [[PoisonousFriend allies]] had tampered with the ship's core, resulting in the aforementioned catastrophe. While this is seemingly meant to absolve the Illuminati of their crimes, the fact remains that their original plan failed horribly, resulting in them more-or-less making the Hulk someone else's problem while at the same time handing the means to creating an EarthShatteringKaboom to those same persons in the same package. If we think about it, most of the Illuminati have their moments of that. [[ComicBook/WarOfKings Not so long ago]], [[spoiler:Black Bolt]] gets one about his plan to end a cosmic war from all his family, advisors, and [[spoiler:Vulcan himself]].

** [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk The Hulk]] himself, even beyond the whole "kicking him off the planet without his consent" deal, blamed them for the destruction on Sakarr wrought by Miek's tampering of the engine and even then, they still effectively tossed the Hulk off as someone else's problem).

** Uatu gave one to [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] for reuniting the Infinity Gems)

** The ComicBook/IncredibleHulk himself, even beyond the whole "kicking him off the planet without his consent" deal, blamed them for the destruction on Sakarr wrought by Miek's tampering of the engine and even then, they still effectively tossed the Hulk off as someone else's problem).

* ComicBook/TheIlluminati got this a lot. To recap:

** Cap is on the ''receiving'' end of one from Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} at the end of ''Target X'', when he goes InspectorJavert on Comicbook/{{X 23}}. Matt flat-out tells Steve off for potentially [[YankTheDogsChain ruining Laura's last chance at a normal life]] by tracking her down and arresting her just as Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} is offering to take her to the Xavier school to help her cope with the hell she's been put through by the Facility, and warns him that [[NotSoDifferentRemark S.H.I.E.L.D. will just use Laura the way the Facility did]] and won't care about bringing her to justice for the killings she performed. It takes until Steve has Laura at the entrance of a S.H.I.E.L.D. installation before it finally sinks in that Matt was right.

** The fact that he kept all that [[ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan Dr. Octopus gained him when he bodyjacked Peter]] comes back to bite him in the ass in the first issue of ''ComicBook/NickSpencersSpiderMan'', when Peter is accused of stealing Ock's work. Since he can't reveal the truth without outing himself as Spider-Man, Peter loses his new job at the ''Daily Bugle'' and strains his relationship wih his Aunt May. Peter even concedes that he should've canceled his own degree and shut down Parker Industries.

* ComicBook/TheIlluminati got this a lot, including from ComicBook/BlackPanther (who thought the idea of the organization itself was a terrible one and refused to be a part of it), Uatu (for [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] reuniting the Infinity Gems), within their own ranks ([[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] chewing the group out after everyone but him and [[Franchise/XMen Professor Xavier]][[note]]who was missing at the time due to ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', ''ComicBook/XMenDeadlyGenesis'' and "ComicBook/RiseAndFallOfTheShiarEmpire"[[/note]] decided [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk launching the Hulk into space was a good idea]] [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk and was right about the Hulk coming back pissed off]] -- and even when he did get wind of this, Xavier said he would be in favor of a temporary exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' a permanent one -- and the others to Namor when they learned via the Beyonder blabbing about it that Namor still has thoughts about taking over the surface world), the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk himself (even beyond the whole "kicking him off the planet without his consent" deal, he blamed them for the destruction on Sakarr wrought by Miek's tampering of the engine and even then, they still effectively tossed the Hulk off as someone else's problem), and the general public (The Hulk's return involving an open mic night for civilians to vent their grievances over actions the group took).
-->'''The Hulk''': Don't like it, do you? It's not fair. [[ManipulativeEditing Not the whole story]]. You have excuses. Explanations. You're innocent. These people don't know what really happened. [[WellIntentionedExtremist They don't know what's in your heart]]. [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech Now you know how it feels]].

* In ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfJeanDeWolff'' storyline, [[ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} Matt Murdock]] serves as a public defender to a group of thugs who assaulted and robbed an old man who was friends with Franchise/SpiderMan's Aunt May. Spider-Man, as Peter Parker, confronts Matt and asks him how he can look at himself in the mirror. Matt, [[YouKnowImBlackRight who is blind]], jokingly responds, "It's a challenge". This leads to Peter getting a "What the hell" response from his Aunt May for his rudeness. A later scene with Matt and a judge does suggest that Matt thinks Peter had a point. Peter later gets another one from Daredevil when he almost kills the Sin-Eater.

* ComicBook/TheIlluminati got this a lot, including from ComicBook/BlackPanther (who thought the idea of the organization itself was a terrible one and refused to be a part of it), Uatu (for [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] reuniting the Infinity Gems), within their own ranks ([[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] chewing the group out after everyone but him and [[Franchise/XMen Professor Xavier]][[note]]who was missing at the time due to ComicBook/HouseOfM[[/note]] decided [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk launching the Hulk into space was a good idea]] [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk and was right about the Hulk coming back pissed off]] -- and even when he did get wind of this, Xavier said he would be in favor of a temporary exile to allow Banner to cure himself, but ''not'' a permanent one -- and the others to Namor when they learned via the Beyonder blabbing about it that Namor still has thoughts about taking over the surface world), the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk himself (even beyond the whole "kicking him off the planet without his consent" deal, he blamed them for the destruction on Sakarr wrought by Miek's tampering of the engine and even then, they still effectively tossed the Hulk off as someone else's problem), and the general public (The Hulk's return involving an open mic night for civilians to vent their grievances over actions the group took).

* ComicBook/TheIlluminati got this a lot, including from ComicBook/BlackPanther (who thought the idea of the organization itself was a terrible one and refused to be a part of it), Uatu (for [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] reuniting the Infinity Gems), within their own ranks ([[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] chewing the group out after everyone but him and [[Franchise/XMen Professor Xavier]][[note]]who was missing at the time due to ComicBook/HouseOfM[[/note]] decided [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk launching the Hulk into space was a good idea]] [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk and was right about the Hulk coming back pissed off]] -- and even when he did get wind of this, Xavier said he would be in favor of a temporary exile to allow Banner to cure him, but ''not'' a permanent one -- and the others to Namor when they learned via the Beyonder blabbing about it that Namor still has thoughts about taking over the surface world), the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk himself (even beyond the whole "kicking him off the planet without his consent" deal, he blamed them for the destruction on Sakarr wrought by Miek's tampering of the engine and even then, they still effectively tossed the Hulk off as someone else's problem), and the general public (The Hulk's return involving an open mic night for civilians to vent their grievances over actions the group took).

** ''ComicBook/ArmorWars'' was a storyline-long one for Tony. Tony goes overboard when he finds out someone stole his tech to upgrade various villains -- and winds up pissing most everyone he knows off in going outside the law. S.H.I.E.L.D., unaware Tony's Iron Man at this point, hires Tony [[HiredToHuntYourself to hunt down Iron Man]] and the government [[CreateYourOwnVillain creates Firepower to stop him]]. The ComicBook/WestCoastAvengers tosses Tony out on his ass and Tony's relationship with [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steve Rogers]] (then operating as "the Captain") was strained, Steve even returning a vibranium shield Tony made for him, coming to consider it a bribe to keep him out of the way.

* In the ''Death of Jean [=DeWolff=]'' storyline, [[ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} Matt Murdock]] serves as a public defender to a group of thugs who assaulted and robbed an old man who was friends with Franchise/SpiderMan's Aunt May. Spider-Man, as Peter Parker, confronts Matt and asks him how he can look at himself in the mirror. Matt, [[YouKnowImBlackRight who is blind]], jokingly responds, "It's a challenge". This leads to Peter getting a "What the hell" response from his Aunt May for his rudeness. A later scene with Matt and a judge does suggest that Matt thinks Peter had a point.

** Cap is on the ''receiving'' end of one from Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} at the end of ''Target X'', when he goes InspectorJavert on Comicbook/{{X 23}}. Matt flat-out tells Steve off for potentially [[YankTheDogsChain ruining Laura's last chance at a normal life]] by tracking her down and arresting her just as Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} is offering to take her to the Xavier school to help her cope with the hell she's been put through by the Facility, and warns him that [[NotSoDifferent S.H.I.E.L.D. will just use Laura the way the Facility did]] and won't care about bringing her to justice for the killings she performed. It takes until Steve has Laura at the entrance of a S.H.I.E.L.D. installation before it finally sinks in that Matt was right.