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--> '''Mushu:''' [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial This is]] ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial not]]'' [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial about my pedestal! This is about Mulan making the biggest mistake of my... I mean,]] ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial her]]'' [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial life!]]

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--> '''Mushu:''' [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial This is]] ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial not]]'' [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial is ''not'' about my pedestal! This is about Mulan making the biggest mistake of my... [[ItsAllAboutMe my]]... [[FreudianSlip I mean,]] mean]], ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial her]]'' [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial life!]]
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* TooDumbToLive : Despite being the wisest person in the movie, Shang has the idea of ​​hiring only 3 soldiers to escort the princesses. [[spoiler: Shang almost dies when the group is attacked by a small group of Huns, who would not have posed a threat if Shang had had a full battalion.]].

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* TooDumbToLive : TooDumbToLive: Despite being the wisest person in the movie, Shang has the idea of ​​hiring hiring only 3 three soldiers to escort the princesses. [[spoiler: Shang [[spoiler:Shang almost dies when the group is attacked by a small group of Huns, who would not have posed a threat if Shang had had a full battalion.]].
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* HonorableMarriageProposal: A very rare female case: [[spoiler:Mulan proposes to a prince of Qi Gong to satisfy the requirements of alliance which she threatened by persuading the princesses to follow their desires]].

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* HonorableMarriageProposal: A very rare female case: [[spoiler:Mulan proposes to a prince of Qi Qui Gong to satisfy the requirements of alliance which she threatened by persuading the princesses to follow their desires]].



*** Compounding this is Mulan offering her own hand in marriage to see the alliance through; despite being a war hero Mulan hardly carries the political sway of the ''Emperor's three daughters'', and that she doesn't own anything of value, land or otherwise, to offer to the alliance. That said, it's hard to imagine how Mulan hoped to deter the Mongols through her union with the prince of Qigong.

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*** Compounding this is Mulan offering her own hand in marriage to see the alliance through; despite being a war hero Mulan hardly carries the political sway of the ''Emperor's three daughters'', and that she doesn't own anything of value, land or otherwise, to offer to the alliance. That said, it's hard to imagine how Mulan hoped to deter the Mongols through her union with the prince of Qigong.Qui Gong.



* RuleOfThree: The three princesses must marry the three princes of Qigong in three days.

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* RuleOfThree: The three princesses must marry the three princes of Qigong Qui Gong in three days.

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* CluelessAesop:
** Okay, Heart over Duty isn't such a bad Aesop. Unfortunately, we're talking about ''princesses'' -- and they've already been betrothed. They can't just run off with a bunch of soldiers. But apparently, it's okay because your personal happiness is more important than the fate of your father's empire and the lives of his millions of subjects, and the millions of subjects of the neighboring kingdom. Even though you haven't known these soldiers much longer anyway. The only reason this was even allowed to happen was by way of [[DeusExMachina Dragon Ex Machina]]. In any other situation, these decisions would have doomed both kingdoms.

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* CluelessAesop:
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CluelessAesop: Okay, Heart over Duty isn't such a bad Aesop. Unfortunately, we're talking about ''princesses'' -- and they've already been betrothed. They can't just run off with a bunch of soldiers. But apparently, it's okay because your personal happiness is more important than the fate of your father's empire and the lives of his millions of subjects, and the millions of subjects of the neighboring kingdom. Even though you haven't known these soldiers much longer anyway. The only reason this was even allowed to happen was by way of [[DeusExMachina Dragon Ex Machina]]. In any other situation, these decisions would have doomed both kingdoms.
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* BirdsOfAFeather: Yao and Mei both have very fiery personalities and are the most willing of their respective trios to follow their heart. Ting-Ting and Ling, while are opposites in some ways, share a similar sense of humor. Chien-Po and Su are not just both {{Big Eater}}s but also the most peaceful and least argumentative members of their respective trios.

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* BirdsOfAFeather: Yao and Mei both have very fiery personalities and are the most willing of their respective trios to buck the rules and follow their heart.hearts. Ting-Ting and Ling, while are opposites in some ways, share a similar sense of humor. Chien-Po and Su are not just both {{Big Eater}}s but also the most peaceful and least argumentative members of their respective trios.
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--> '''Mushu:''' This is ''not'' about my pedestal! This is about Mulan making the biggest mistake of my... I mean, ''her'' life!

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--> '''Mushu:''' [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial This is ''not'' is]] ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial not]]'' [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial about my pedestal! This is about Mulan making the biggest mistake of my... I mean, ''her'' life!mean,]] ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial her]]'' [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial life!]]
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* {{Jerkass}}: Mushu turned into this, mostly because Mulan's ancestors were jerkasses towards him.

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* {{Jerkass}}: JerkassBall: Mushu turned into clutches onto this, mostly because Mulan's ancestors were jerkasses towards him.
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* IdiotBall:
** Mulan is hit with this big time; uneasy at the idea of an arranged marriage being imposed on the princesses, she continually encourages them to follow their own hearts, which is overshadowed by the fact that if they do not go through with the union China will not have the strength necessary to repel the incoming Mongols; Mulan applauds their choice to marry the men they choose, and the union is never confirmed, thus leaving China's fate unclear.
*** Compounding this is Mulan offering her own hand in marriage to see the alliance through; despite being a war hero Mulan hardly carries the political sway of the ''Emperor's three daughters'', and that she doesn't own anything of value, land or otherwise, to offer to the alliance. That said, it's hard to imagine how Mulan hoped to deter the Mongols through her union with the prince of Qigong.
** Though with her status as the "Saviour of China", despite her lack of personal power, it would make sense why they'd accept the arrangement, if only for the status symbol.
** What do Mulan and Shang propose as an escort for ''the three princesses and daughters of the Emperor''? A mere ''three'' soldiers, Yao, Ling and Chien-Po, to ensure their safety. Even the Emperor is puzzled by Shang's logic behind this choice.
** The ancestors have a moment of this when Mushu is excited for Mulan and Shang being married. Rather than break it to him ''after'' the vows have been made that he'd lose his guardianship, they gleefully mock him with the fact the instant he brings it up. This leads him to try and break the two up to keep his pedestal. Even after Mulan and Shang's relationship nearly crumbles, the princesses elope, and Mushu redeems himself for Mulan by way of DeusExMachina, they never see the possibility that China was nearly doomed because of their own idiocy.
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from having an AwfullyWeddedLife with Shang because of how different they are, when it’s clear he wants to protect his job. He even [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces himself this]].

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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from having an AwfullyWeddedLife AwfulWeddedLife with Shang because of how different they are, when it’s clear he wants to protect his job. He even [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces himself this]].
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from getting heart-broken due to her differences with Shang when it’s clear he wants to protect his job. He even [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces himself this]].

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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from getting heart-broken due to her differences having an AwfullyWeddedLife with Shang because of how different they are, when it’s clear he wants to protect his job. He even [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces himself this]].
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* LighterAndSofter: So much it seems like another series with Mulan's characters.
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Mushu regrets sabotaging Mulan’s relationship with Shang, especially when Mulan decides to get married to Qigong’s son instead of forcing one of the princesses to get married to him.

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Mushu regrets sabotaging Mulan’s relationship with Shang, especially when Mulan decides to get married to Qigong’s Qin’s son instead of forcing one of the princesses to get married to him.



* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Lord Qigong's two younger sons are nowhere to be seen in the finale.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Lord Qigong's Qin's two younger sons are nowhere to be seen in the finale.
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* ManChild: Lord Qigong's son (who knows what happened to his two ''other'' sons) isn't exactly man of the house by any stretch of the mind, actually ''repulsed by Mulan'' because he thinks she's old. Queue a well-deserved OhCrap from Mulan.

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* ManChild: Lord Qigong's Qin's son (who knows what happened to his two ''other'' sons) isn't exactly man of the house by any stretch of the mind, actually ''repulsed by Mulan'' because he thinks she's old. Queue a well-deserved OhCrap from Mulan.
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* AllForNothing: Mushu's attempts to break Mulan's marriage end with this because [[spoiler:although they do get married, Shang decides to unite his ancestors' side to Mulan's, which prevents Mushu from losing his spot as the guardian of the family.]]

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* AllForNothing: Mushu's attempts to break Mulan's marriage end with this because [[spoiler:although they do get married, Shang decides to unite his ancestors' side to Mulan's, which prevents Mushu from losing his spot as the guardian of the family. Although, there's no indication that Shang would've done so anyway had Mulan not told him about Mushu.]]

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As Mulan is getting married to General Shang, the Emperor asks her to escort his three daughters to a neighbouring kingdom for an arranged marriage there in order to cement an alliance against the Mongols.

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As Mulan is getting married to General Shang, the Emperor asks her to escort his three daughters to a neighbouring neighboring kingdom for an arranged marriage there in order to cement an alliance against the Mongols.



* ArrangedMarriage: The axis of the whole plot is for the Chinese Emperor to make an alliance with a neighbouring kingdom that will discourage Mongol invasion.

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* AllForNothing: Mushu's attempts to break Mulan's marriage end with this because [[spoiler:although they do get married, Shang decides to unite his ancestors' side to Mulan's, which prevents Mushu from losing his spot as the guardian of the family.]]
* ArrangedMarriage: The axis of the whole plot is for the Chinese Emperor to make an alliance with a neighbouring neighboring kingdom that will discourage Mongol invasion.



* BirdsOfAFeather: Yao and Mei both have very fiery personalities and are the most willing of their respective trios to follow their heart. Ting-Ting and Ling, while are opposites in some ways, share a similar sense of humour. Chien-Po and Su are not just both {{Big Eater}}s but also the most peaceful and least argumentative members of their respective trios.

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* BirdsOfAFeather: Yao and Mei both have very fiery personalities and are the most willing of their respective trios to follow their heart. Ting-Ting and Ling, while are opposites in some ways, share a similar sense of humour.humor. Chien-Po and Su are not just both {{Big Eater}}s but also the most peaceful and least argumentative members of their respective trios.
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--> '''Mushu:''' This is NOT about my pedestal! This is about Mulan making the biggest mistake of my... I mean, ''her'' life!

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--> '''Mushu:''' This is NOT ''not'' about my pedestal! This is about Mulan making the biggest mistake of my... I mean, ''her'' life!
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Mushu holds the JerkassBall really hard for trying to split Mulan and Shang up to keep his pedestal, but he's also not entirely wrong -- the pair are very different people with very different priorities in matters personal (Shang wants lots of children, Mulan does not) and professional (their biggest clash, over the mission, isn't even Mushu's doing). They've also only been seeing one another for a month.
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from getting heart-broken due to her differences with Shang when it’s clear he wants to protect his job. He even [[ImplausibleDeniability convinces himself this]].

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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from getting heart-broken due to her differences with Shang when it’s clear he wants to protect his job. He even [[ImplausibleDeniability [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces himself this]].
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from getting heart-broken due to her differences with Shang when it’s clear he wants to protect his job.

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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from getting heart-broken due to her differences with Shang when it’s clear he wants to protect his job. He even [[ImplausibleDeniability convinces himself this]].

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* ImplausibleDeniability: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from getting heart-broken due to her differences with Shang when it’s clear he wants to protect his job.
--> '''Mushu:''' This is NOT about my pedestal! This is about Mulan making the biggest mistake of my... I mean, ''her'' life!


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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Mushu claims he’s trying to save Mulan from getting heart-broken due to her differences with Shang when it’s clear he wants to protect his job.
--> '''Mushu:''' This is NOT about my pedestal! This is about Mulan making the biggest mistake of my... I mean, ''her'' life!
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* MyGodWhayHaveIDone: Mushu regrets sabotaging Mulan’s relationship with Shang, especially when Mulan decides to get married Qigong’s son instead of forcing one of the princesses to get married to him.

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* MyGodWhayHaveIDone: MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Mushu regrets sabotaging Mulan’s relationship with Shang, especially when Mulan decides to get married to Qigong’s son instead of forcing one of the princesses to get married to him.

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** [[spoiler:Shang. Upon realizing the rope holding him and Mulan wasn't going to last for long, he let go of Mulan’s hand to save her.]]

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** [[spoiler:Shang. Upon realizing the rope holding him and Mulan wasn't going to last for long, he let lets go of Mulan’s hand to save her.]]


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* MyGodWhayHaveIDone: Mushu regrets sabotaging Mulan’s relationship with Shang, especially when Mulan decides to get married Qigong’s son instead of forcing one of the princesses to get married to him.
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* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: All of Mushu's attempts to break up Mulan and Shang were a result of the ancestors rubbing it in Mushu's face that he'd get stripped of his guardianship and go back to his old job of wake-up dragon. Henceforth, Mulan and Shang's almost falling out happened because the ancestors didn't know when to keep their ghostly mouths shut.

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* HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler:Shang.]] The princesses can also be seen as performing this, as they risk their happiness for political alliance.

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* HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler:Shang.]] HeroicSacrifice:
** [[spoiler:Shang. Upon realizing the rope holding him and Mulan wasn't going to last for long, he let go of Mulan’s hand to save her.]]
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The princesses can also be seen as performing this, as they risk their happiness for political alliance.
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* FourthDateMarriage: The princesses and guards, while they don't actually get married in the movie, choose each other over the fate of all of China despite knowing one another for less than three days. Mulan and Shang get married despite only knowing each other for a month.
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** Mulan doesn't seem so preoccupied with making the princesses happy than she does with getting them together with their male counterparts rather than living their own lives and making their own choices. Heart, duty, nothin'... it's getting hitched that seems to be the important thing here.
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** Mulan, to a lesser extent. It's explained to her very clearly that China is going to be ravaged by Mongols if the princesses don't marry the princes. The princesses, while not thrilled about the arrangement, are definitely willing to go through with it, especially what with the urgent circumstances. Then Mei falls in love with Yao and Mulan, without the slightest hesitation or conflict, tells Mei to follow her heart, screw over the lives of millions. That would be bad enough, but when Ting-Ting, the oldest and most responsible princess, is genuinely interested forging a critical alliance and saving her people as opposed to hooking up with Ling, Mulan turns out to be less interested in people following their duty to their hearts when it conflicts with ''her'' desires, and talks Ting-Ting out of a literal country saving alliance, because she is just ''that'' against arranged marriages. Yeah. One can only wonder what Mulan would have done had Shang not been presumed dead when he fell hundreds of feet down a cliff, freeing her up to fill in for the princesses...but even that comes off as insulting because she rationalizes that, as China's savior, she is worth more than 3 members of royalty. While she did indeed bring great honor to her family (though that may or may not last after the emperor discovers her role in derailing the extremely important mission he entrusted her and Shang with) the way she herself rationalizes not giving the prince of Qui-Gong what the emperor had already agreed on comes across as just plain arrogant. And she never even feels slightly guilty about endangering her country to the mongols. Who cares about saving China when you got your duty to your heart to think about?

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** Mulan, to a lesser extent. It's explained to her very clearly that China is going to be ravaged by Mongols if the princesses don't marry the princes. The princesses, while not thrilled about the arrangement, are definitely willing to go through with it, especially what with the urgent circumstances. Then Mei falls in love with Yao and Mulan, without the slightest hesitation or conflict, tells Mei to follow her heart, screw over the lives of millions. That would be bad enough, but when Ting-Ting, the oldest and most responsible princess, is genuinely interested forging a critical alliance and saving her people as opposed to hooking up with Ling, Mulan turns out to be less interested in people following their duty to their hearts when it conflicts with ''her'' desires, and talks Ting-Ting out of a literal country saving alliance, because she is just ''that'' against arranged marriages. Yeah. One can only wonder what Mulan would have done had Shang not been presumed dead when he fell hundreds of feet down a cliff, freeing her up to fill in for the princesses...but even that comes off as insulting because she rationalizes that, as China's savior, she is worth more than 3 members of royalty. While she did indeed bring great honor to her family (though that may or may not last after the emperor discovers her role in derailing the extremely important mission he entrusted her and Shang with) the way she herself rationalizes not giving the prince of Qui-Gong what the emperor had already agreed on comes across as just plain arrogant. And she never even feels slightly guilty about endangering her country to the mongols. Who cares about saving China when you got your duty to your heart to think about?
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It's Mei who yells at her for this, not Mulan.


* {{Hypocrite}}: Mulan wants to teach the princesses that they don't have to follow orders and can go their own way. So when Ting-Ting isn't smitten with Ling, and still feels that she should stick to her duty, does Mulan support her? NO! She just puts on more pressure, giving the impression that Mulan cares far more about her soldier buddies than the princesses. Heart, duty, nothin' - it's getting hitched that counts!
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* TheHypocrite: Mulan wants to teach the princesses that they don't have to follow orders and can go their own way. So when Ting-Ting isn't smitten with Ling, and still feels that she should stick to her duty, does Mulan support her? NO! She just puts on more pressure, giving the impression that Mulan cares far more about her soldier buddies than the princesses. Heart, duty, nothin' - it's getting hitched that counts!

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* TheHypocrite: {{Hypocrite}}: Mulan wants to teach the princesses that they don't have to follow orders and can go their own way. So when Ting-Ting isn't smitten with Ling, and still feels that she should stick to her duty, does Mulan support her? NO! She just puts on more pressure, giving the impression that Mulan cares far more about her soldier buddies than the princesses. Heart, duty, nothin' - it's getting hitched that counts!
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* BigBad: [[BigBadFriend Mushu]] does everything in his power to make sure Mulan doesn't marry so he can retain his position as her guardian. [[HeelRealization he gets better by the end though]].

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* BigBad: [[BigBadFriend Mushu]] does everything in his power to make sure Mulan doesn't marry so he can retain his position as her guardian. [[HeelRealization he He gets better by the end though]].

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