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* KnightTemplarParent: Subverted by Joe's parents. While he's actually in Elan, he thinks that they think Elan will actually help him, and are simply ignorant about what Elan is actually like. He also thinks that part of the reason he's in Elan is to avoid the criminal charges over the marijuana possession. Once he gets out, though, he learns that the charges were dropped only ''three months'' after he was enrolled in Elan, and his parents chose to keep him there for three extra years to punish him further. He contrasts his friend P's parents' reaction to the weed charge -- amused disinterest, i.e. "We smoked weed at your age too!" -- with his own parents, who berate him, throw away his music, complain about what the neighbors will think, call him a disgrace, and say "IHaveNoSon". Then, after all that sturm-und-drang, they have him kidnapped and sent to Elan, and get talked into forcing him to stay at Elan past his 18th birthday lest he be formally abandoned and disowned. Once he's finally out of Elan and it turns out he ''isn't'' a completely well-adjusted young adult ready to go to college and chase a respectable career, his parents begin emotionally mistreating him, and insist that he's lying every time he tries to talk about what Elan was actually like. It also turns out that Joe's father is worse than his mother; at one point his father threatens to drop him off at a military recruiter and disown him, leading to a terrible fight between his parents.[[note]]In a post on Patreon, Joe comments that as of March/April 2020, his mother finally apologized, implicitly for sending him to Elan and for not believing him when he told them what happened. However, this comes after 20+ years of disbelieving him and the mountains of evidence and testimony, during which Joe made several failed attempts to cut his parents out of his life entirely, and it's unclear even to Joe how much she believes of what everyone is saying. No mention is made of Joe's father apologizing or regretting anything, either.[[/note]]
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* KnightTemplarParent: Subverted by Joe's parents. While he's actually in Elan, he thinks that they think Elan will actually help him, and are simply ignorant about what Elan is actually like. He also thinks that part of the reason he's in Elan is to avoid the criminal charges over the marijuana possession. Once he gets out, though, he learns that the charges were dropped only ''three months'' after he was enrolled in Elan, and his parents chose to keep him there for three extra years to punish him further. He contrasts his friend P's parents' reaction to the weed charge -- amused disinterest, i.e. "We smoked weed at your age too!" -- with his own parents, who berate him, throw away his music, complain about what the neighbors will think, call him a disgrace, and say "IHaveNoSon". Then, after all that sturm-und-drang, they have him kidnapped and sent to Elan, and get talked into forcing him to stay at Elan past his 18th birthday lest he be formally abandoned and disowned. Once he's finally out of Elan and it turns out he ''isn't'' a completely well-adjusted young adult ready to go to college and chase a respectable career, his parents begin emotionally mistreating him, and insist that he's lying every time he tries to talk about what Elan was actually like. It also turns out that Joe's father is worse than his mother; at one point his father threatens to drop him off at a military recruiter and disown him, leading to a terrible fight between his parents.[[note]]In a post on Patreon, the Epilogue, Joe comments says that as of March/April 2020, his mother finally apologized, read the comic and apologized to him, implicitly for sending him to Elan and for not believing him when he told them what happened. However, this comes after 20+ years of disbelieving him and the mountains of evidence and testimony, during which Joe made several failed attempts to cut his parents out of his life entirely, and it's unclear even entirely. However, he declines to Joe how much she believes of what everyone is saying. No mention is made of Joe's bring it up with his father apologizing or regretting anything, either.again, who he notes is in ill health and likely not long for the world.[[/note]]
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** For Joe's parents in particular, it's almost as if they ''want'' to remain ignorant of the abuse, even as everyone else sees how badly messed up Joe is, since they shut down any talk of Joe's time at the school. Joe mentions that his mother's reaction to a staph infection he brought home isn't a reasonable, "What kind of hellhole would leave my child's staph infection untreated?", but rather, "Joe, you need to get out of the house and go to a neighborhood get-together." It's so bad that he mentioned in his Reddit AMA that his parents ''still'' think he's exaggerating.
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** For Joe's parents in particular, it's almost as if they ''want'' to remain ignorant of the abuse, even as everyone else sees how badly messed up Joe is, since they shut down any talk of Joe's time at the school. Joe mentions that his mother's reaction to a staph infection he brought home isn't a reasonable, "What kind of hellhole would leave my child's staph infection untreated?", but rather, "Joe, you need to get out of the house and go to a neighborhood get-together." It's It was so bad that he mentioned in his Reddit AMA that his parents ''still'' think he's exaggerating.thought he was exaggerating, although the "Epilogue" later reveals that his mother eventually read the comic and was horrified at how truly oblivious she had been.
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** Ron does this before Joe's first time in The Ring, saying that his own experiences in Elan were much more unstable and cruel than how it was when Joe joined up.
** Refreshingly defied. Some time after Joe tells the truck driver who let him hitchhike about his initial nightmare of a stay at Elan, the truck driver shares a story of his own--one about his manic and chaotic days in the Vietnam War. Joe feels a little guilty for even talking about his own experiences, but the driver shuts that down immediately and tells him not to be just because someone had a worse (or better) time at one point.
** Refreshingly defied. Some time after Joe tells the truck driver who let him hitchhike about his initial nightmare of a stay at Elan, the truck driver shares a story of his own--one about his manic and chaotic days in the Vietnam War. Joe feels a little guilty for even talking about his own experiences, but the driver shuts that down immediately and tells him not to be just because someone had a worse (or better) time at one point.
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** Ron does this before Joe's first time in The Ring, saying that his own experiences in Elan [[WhenIWasYourAge were much more unstable and cruel cruel]] than how it was when Joe joined up.
** Refreshingly defied. Some time after Joe tells the truck driverwho let him hitchhike Casey Jones about his initial nightmare of a stay at Elan, the truck driver Jones shares a story of his own--one about his manic and chaotic days in the Vietnam War. Joe feels a little guilty for even talking about his own experiences, but the driver Jones shuts that down immediately and tells him not to be just because someone had a worse (or better) time at one point.
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** Ron does this before Joe's first time in The Ring, saying that his own experiences in Elan were much more unstable and cruel than how it was when Joe joined up.
** Refreshingly defied. Some time after Joe tells the truck driver who let him hitchhike about his initial nightmare of a stay at Elan, the truck driver shares a story of his own--one about his manic and chaotic days in the Vietnam War. Joe feels a little guilty for even talking about his own experiences, but the driver shuts that down immediately and tells him not to be just because someone had a worse (or better) time at one point.
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** Joe mentions that he's never been able to definitively figure out how Elan was able to recapture him in New York City so quickly, how Peter was able to track him down after graduating, how Gino always knew exactly where he was living at any point in time.
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** Joe mentions that he's never been able to definitively figure out how Elan was able to recapture him in New York City so quickly, how Peter was able to track him down after graduating, or how Gino always knew exactly where he was living at any point in time.
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* RiddleForTheAges: Joe mentions that he's never been able to definitively figure out how Elan was able to recapture him in New York City so quickly, how Peter was able to track him down after graduating, or how Gino always knew exactly where he was living at any point in time.
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** Joe mentions that he's never been able to definitively figure out how Elan was able to recapture him in New York City so quickly, how Peter was able to track him down after graduating,or how Gino always knew exactly where he was living at any point in time.time.
** {{Enforced|Trope}}: [[spoiler:After Gino's death, Joe refuses to look into whether Gino had worked for Elan School as a recruiter.]]
** Joe mentions that he's never been able to definitively figure out how Elan was able to recapture him in New York City so quickly, how Peter was able to track him down after graduating,
** {{Enforced|Trope}}: [[spoiler:After Gino's death, Joe refuses to look into whether Gino had worked for Elan School as a recruiter.]]
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--->'''Christy:''' Listen girls, I only want the best for you. Dirty boys grow up to become drug addicts but they can sometimes find a way to beat that, they can be whole again. Afterwards, they can be clean again. It's forgiven. Do you get that? But you know what dirty girls become? ''PROSTITUTES!'' And you think there's any coming back from THAT? Huh?
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--->'''Christy:''' Listen girls, I only want the best for you. Dirty boys grow up to become drug addicts but they can sometimes find a way to beat that, they can be whole again. Afterwards, they can be clean again. It's forgiven. Do you get that? But you know what dirty girls become? ''PROSTITUTES!'' [[DefiledForever And you think there's any coming back from THAT? Huh?Huh?]]
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* ShoutOut: When Joe has a fantasy of him jumping out of his parents' car and getting hit by a truck, the "WASTED" visual effect from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' appears.
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* WorldTour: Joe discovers the joys of international travel in Chapter 76, as he and Rick go to Amsterdam and Berlin. Later in the chapter, Joe begins a study abroad program in a city called Vrátskajeki.
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* WorldTour: Joe discovers the joys of international travel in Chapter 76, as he and Rick go to Amsterdam and Berlin. Later in the chapter, Joe begins a study abroad program in a city called Vrátskajeki. After graduating college, he travels abroad again; after his divorce he becomes a nomad and travels to different cities around the world.
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* EvilIsSexy: InUniverse, in [[https://elan.school/49-paradigm/ Chapter 49]], Joe can't help but notice that the female staff member yelling abuse at him -- who he's never seen before -- is really sexy. But he notes that it's only because he's a hormonal teenager without any access to magazines or television.
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* TrainingFromHell: Discussed and ultimately deconstructed. Any positive lessons Joe learned from his time in Elan were heavily outweighed by the harm it did to him. As he puts it, being stranded on a deserted island for years might teach you survival skills, but it doesn't make it any less traumatic.
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** In addition, the "Epilogue" chapter set after the end of the story will reveals more about the characters:
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*** Not long after starting ''Joe Vs. Elan School'', [[spoiler:Joe gets a new job that he works at until about Chapter 86, and Sofi gets pregnant with a son. The webcomic's Patreon supporters allow him and Sofi to eventually buy a home.]]
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*** Not long after starting ''Joe Vs. Elan School'', [[spoiler:Joe gets a new job that he works at until about Chapter 86, and Sofi gets pregnant with a son. The webcomic's Patreon supporters allow support allows him and Sofi to eventually buy a home.]]
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** Legally speaking, Jay Cirri never faces any punishment for what he did to all the kids who suffered through Elan School, or all the stuff he did before Elan. However, [[spoiler:he suffers from dementia for a few years before dying of cancer at the relatively young age of 54.]]
** Similarly, Jay's widow Sara Tarron also never faces any punishment for her role in continuing Elan's abuse or swindling Cirri's heirs out of his estate. However, [[spoiler:Joe notes that she spends her last years of lucidity watching her cash cows -- Elan School and Scarborough Downs -- implode before her eyes, before she dies from Alzheimer's disease.]]
** Legally speaking, Jay Cirri never faces any punishment for what he did to all the kids who suffered through Elan School, or all the stuff he did before Elan. However, [[spoiler:he suffers from dementia for a few years before dying of cancer at the relatively young age of 54.]]
** Similarly, Jay's widow Sara Tarron also never faces any punishment for her role in continuing Elan's abuse or swindling Cirri's heirs out of his estate. However, [[spoiler:Joe notes that she spends her last years of lucidity watching her cash cows -- Elan School and Scarborough Downs -- implode before her eyes, before she dies from Alzheimer's disease.]]
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* DenouementEpisode: The Epilogue chapter serves as this, with Joe reflecting on his time working on the comic, and telling about where he and a few other characters ended up.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Though the Epilogue includes information about the fates of characters like [[spoiler:Ron and Sara, it doesn't include information about what happened to Katie after she was freed, or what happened to Christy after Elan was closed.]]
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*** Ron dies in 2022 just shy of his 71st birthday, and Joe mentions that Chapter 85 would've been the last thing he'd read if he'd been keeping up with the comic.
*** Sara Tarron dies in 2021 after years of struggling with Alzheimer's disease.
*** Joe has long since forgiven his parents for everything they went through. He says that his mother read the comic, tearfully apologized for everything she'd put him through, and commended him for saving Katie and Sandra. Joe's father is ailing and not long for the world, and Joe has decided not to show him the comic.
*** Joe mentions Maria, reiterating that he's never seen her again, but talks about his guilt concerning their divorce, and a dream he had about her.
*** Apollo was rehomed with the parents of one of Joe's college roommates, enjoyed a happy life with two other dogs, and died at age 88 (in dog years) happy and beloved.
*** Not long after starting ''Joe Vs. Elan School'', Joe gets a new job that he works at until about Chapter 86, and Sofi gets pregnant with a son. The webcomic's Patreon supporters allow him and Sofi to eventually buy a home.
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comic.]]
*** Sara Tarrondies [[spoiler:dies in 2021 after years of struggling with Alzheimer's disease.
disease.]]
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*** Joe mentions Maria,reiterating [[spoiler:reiterating that he's never seen her again, but talks about his guilt concerning their divorce, and a dream he had about her.
her.]]
*** Apollowas [[spoiler:was rehomed with the parents of one of Joe's college roommates, enjoyed a happy life with two other dogs, and died at age 88 (in dog years) happy and beloved.
beloved.]]
*** Not long after starting ''Joe Vs. Elan School'',Joe [[spoiler:Joe gets a new job that he works at until about Chapter 86, and Sofi gets pregnant with a son. The webcomic's Patreon supporters allow him and Sofi to eventually buy a home.]]
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** In addition, a forthcoming "Epilogue" chapter set after the end of the story will reveal more about where all the characters are today.
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*** Ron dies in 2022 just shy of his 71st birthday, and Joe mentions that Chapter 85 would've been the last thing he'd read if he'd been keeping up with the comic.
*** Sara Tarron dies in 2021 after years of struggling with Alzheimer's disease.
*** Joe has long since forgiven his parents for everything they went through. He says that his mother read the comic, tearfully apologized for everything she'd put him through, and commended him for saving Katie and Sandra. Joe's father is ailing and not long for the world, and Joe has decided not to show him the comic.
*** Joe mentions Maria, reiterating that he's never seen her again, but talks about his guilt concerning their divorce, and a dream he had about her.
*** Apollo was rehomed with the parents of one of Joe's college roommates, enjoyed a happy life with two other dogs, and died at age 88 (in dog years) happy and beloved.
*** Not long after starting ''Joe Vs. Elan School'', Joe gets a new job that he works at until about Chapter 86, and Sofi gets pregnant with a son. The webcomic's Patreon supporters allow him and Sofi to eventually buy a home.
*** Ron dies in 2022 just shy of his 71st birthday, and Joe mentions that Chapter 85 would've been the last thing he'd read if he'd been keeping up with the comic.
*** Sara Tarron dies in 2021 after years of struggling with Alzheimer's disease.
*** Joe has long since forgiven his parents for everything they went through. He says that his mother read the comic, tearfully apologized for everything she'd put him through, and commended him for saving Katie and Sandra. Joe's father is ailing and not long for the world, and Joe has decided not to show him the comic.
*** Joe mentions Maria, reiterating that he's never seen her again, but talks about his guilt concerning their divorce, and a dream he had about her.
*** Apollo was rehomed with the parents of one of Joe's college roommates, enjoyed a happy life with two other dogs, and died at age 88 (in dog years) happy and beloved.
*** Not long after starting ''Joe Vs. Elan School'', Joe gets a new job that he works at until about Chapter 86, and Sofi gets pregnant with a son. The webcomic's Patreon supporters allow him and Sofi to eventually buy a home.
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''Joe vs. Elan School: A True Cult Classic'' is a {{Webcomic}} based on the RealLife experiences of its author, who wrote and drew it under the pen name Joe Nobody. The webcomic ran from November 5, 2018 to September 15, 2023.
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''Joe vs. Elan School: A True Cult Classic'' is a {{Webcomic}} based on the RealLife experiences of its author, who wrote and drew it under the pen name Joe Nobody. The webcomic ran from November 5, 2018 to September 15, 2023, with an epilogue posted on November 6, 2023.
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Following the official completion of the comic with Chapter 100, Joe has stated that he plans to publish a physical copy of the comic, as well as adding a "Epilogue" chapter, which was posted on November 6th, 2023, chronicling his final thoughts on the project, describing some major events that took place while he was working on the comic, and what happened to some of the people described in the story.
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Following the official completion of the comic with Chapter 100, Joe has stated that he plans to publish a physical copy of the comic, as well as adding a "Epilogue" chapter, which was posted on November 6th, 2023, chronicling his final thoughts on the project, describing some major events that took place while he was working on the comic, and what happened to some of the people described in the story.
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* SympathyForTheDevil: In the Epilogue chapter, Joe takes some time to ruminate on the fact that Ron eventually passed away at the age of 71, while Joe was still in the process of writing and publishing the comic. He admits that, in spite of everything, a part of him still feels sorry for Ron, who he ultimately sees as Elan's worst victim and he hopes he was able to find some semblance of peace in his final years.
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* SadisticChoice: Every day in Elan. Typically the choice is between "help brutalize your peers" or "get severely dehumanized."
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** Chapters 1 - 36 deal with Joe's initial encounter in Elan School.
** Chapters 37 - 45 deal with Joe's adventures in NYC.
** Chapters 46 - 51 deal with Joe's return to Elan School.
** Chapters 52 - 62 deal with Joe's run as a coordinator in Elan School.
** Chapters 37 - 45 deal with Joe's adventures in NYC.
** Chapters 46 - 51 deal with Joe's return to Elan School.
** Chapters 52 - 62 deal with Joe's run as a coordinator in Elan School.
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: ''By God'', are there so many instances of this.
** First off, Elan itself. There are actually varying levels to this trope; The first one is called a "Blast", which is a 1-on-1 variation, usually the straightest example of this trope. The second one is called an "Encounter Group", which is a circle of people, in which a participant screams at the person sitting opposite to them. The third one, and by far the most exaggerated form of this trope, is called a "General Meeting", which has everyone scream at you in the house, with at least four people standing behind a broomstick just to yell at you.
** Joe doles out two of these to his parents, calling them {{abusive|parents}} for sending their son to what is essentially a cult. The first one is actually invoked by Elan; Joe had to perform a "blast" to his parents just to get away from the campus.
** First off, Elan itself. There are actually varying levels to this trope; The first one is called a "Blast", which is a 1-on-1 variation, usually the straightest example of this trope. The second one is called an "Encounter Group", which is a circle of people, in which a participant screams at the person sitting opposite to them. The third one, and by far the most exaggerated form of this trope, is called a "General Meeting", which has everyone scream at you in the house, with at least four people standing behind a broomstick just to yell at you.
** Joe doles out two of these to his parents, calling them {{abusive|parents}} for sending their son to what is essentially a cult. The first one is actually invoked by Elan; Joe had to perform a "blast" to his parents just to get away from the campus.
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** In Chapter 98: [[spoiler:"Gino died 3 days later. He overdosed while partying the night before he was supposed to turn himself into prison."]]
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* PrivateProfitPrison: Elan is Jay Cirri's cash cow. Since the school requires a yearly tuition of tens of thousands of dollars for an inmate, each soul being tortured there amounts to millions of dollars of profit.
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** Jay Cirri is also this; he's seen as a pillar of the state for his "good work" with Elan School, and he's well-known enough to warrant a run for Maine state governor, although he loses the primary.
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** Jay Cirri is also this; he's seen as a pillar of the state for his "good work" with Elan School, and he's well-known enough to warrant a an ultimately failed run for Maine state governor, although he loses and he's commemorated on the primary.floor of the Maine legislature after [[spoiler:he dies in 2001]].
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* WardensAreEvil: Ron and Christy stand out as the most abusive to Joe during his time at Elan 8. There's also Jay Cirri, who runs the school but is more TheManBehindTheMan. Joe also talks about senior staff members named Meredith, Caesar, and Larry, all of whom he admits he's still terrified of to this day.
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* WardensAreEvil: Ron and Christy stand out as the most abusive to Joe during his time at Elan 8. There's also Jay Cirri, Cirri [[spoiler:and his widow/successor Sara Tarron]], who runs own the school but is more act as TheManBehindTheMan. Joe also talks about senior staff members named Meredith, Caesar, and Larry, all of whom he admits he's still terrified of to this day.
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* HeldBackInSchool: Exploited. Elan regularly holds back its students in order to extract further tuition fees. The school forces Joe to repeat his senior year, and when it looks like Ron is "testing" Joe, Joe mentally notes that the oldest person at the school at that time is 22.
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** Billy and Joe are also this, partially because of Elan, and partially because of their experiences in Denver. Joe notes that he and Billy are still friends today, and Billy even helped him remember some details about the Denver trip when it came time to write those chapters.
** {{Averted|Trope}} for Joe and Ron. On Joe's graduation day, one of Ron's parting thoughts is that he believes that he and Joe will remain lifelong friends, ostensibly because Ron himself had gone through the "therapy" some years before. Joe ultimately wants nothing to do with Ron.
** {{Averted|Trope}} for Joe and Ron. On Joe's graduation day, one of Ron's parting thoughts is that he believes that he and Joe will remain lifelong friends, ostensibly because Ron himself had gone through the "therapy" some years before. Joe ultimately wants nothing to do with Ron.
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** Wilma and Joe also remain friends after Elan; Joe and several other former Elan students go visit her in Denver a few years after leaving the school.
** Billy and Joe are also this, partially because of Elan, and partially because of their experiences while visiting Wilma in Denver. Joe notes that he and Billy are still friends today, and Billy even helped him remember some details about the Denver trip when it came time to write those chapters.
** {{Averted|Trope}} forJoe Ron and Ron. Joe. On Joe's graduation day, one of Ron's parting thoughts is that he believes that he and Joe will remain lifelong friends, ostensibly because Ron himself had gone through the school's "therapy" some years before. Joe ultimately wants nothing to do with Ron.
** Billy and Joe are also this, partially because of Elan, and partially because of their experiences while visiting Wilma in Denver. Joe notes that he and Billy are still friends today, and Billy even helped him remember some details about the Denver trip when it came time to write those chapters.
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