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As far as I know, all we know about the villain is that he's supposedly ''not'' Thanos. Mads Mikkelsen would be passable as a svartalfr, if the makeup toned him down instead of emphasizing him like the Jotun. As a person raised on Jotunheim who seems suspiciously human-like, pale of skin and raven of hair, she could easily parallel Loki, born of Jotun and taken by the Aeis. Considering the reputation the svartalfar have for being magical craftsmen akin to (or kin of) the Dwarves, it's possible that they will be brought in to fix the Bifrost or [[MythologyGag contain Loki]] and then (under the guidance of the Jotun-raised [Princess?] Hela) attempt a power grab.

He kept an eye on Thor while pretending to not believe his story for the benefit of the other mortals. And he wasn't mind controlled in the stinger at the end - he was just following his master's telepathic orders, unaware of the genocidal circumstances that led to Loki being stranded across space. [[spoiler: Loki mind controls him in Avengers because he knows Selvig is a moral person and Thor's friend and will defect to Thor's side as soon as he sees how batcrap crazy and murderous Loki has gone.]]

*** TomHiddleston, the actor who plays him, has said that [[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/09/01/thor-2-tom-hiddleston/ he thinks that Loki might get a shot a redemption]] in the solo ''Thor'' sequel set after ''TheAvengers''.

** He may not even have to wait for ''Thor 2'' -- it's possible that WordOfGod about his villainhood in ''TheAvengers'' is a misdirect, and that he's only TheDragon, and will have his HeelFaceTurn before the end of that movie.
*** According to another interview with TomHiddleston, while there will be spots of hope for Loki's redemption in ''TheAvengers'', he will not be redeemed. It is rather likely, however, that the bigger villain will turn up in ''Thor 2'' and Loki will join with Thor in order to defeat this new threat.

Because they clearly state Thor is going to be in TheAvengers, and Loki used a secret passageway that wasn't Bifrost.

Thanos will recruit the Red Skull, who has been imprisoned in Odin's trophy room following ''CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', to steal the Infinity Gauntlet. He will then send Red Skull back to Midgard to serve as his herald, thus setting the plot for ''Captain America 2''.

It's a little suspicious that nearly 1050 years after the big war with the jotnar, they're ''still'' living in ruins. Even if they couldn't pull themselves back to where they were before Odin took the Casket of Ancient Winters, you'd think that after all that time, they could have gotten ''something'' up and going again.

It's a little suspicious that nearly 1050 years after the big war with the jotnar, they're ''still'' living in ruins. Even if they couldn't pull themselves back to where they were before Odin took the Casket of Ancient Winters, you'd think that after all that time, they could have gotten ''something'' up and going again.

[[WMG: Thor was able to have the hammer back because he had something to fight for.]]
The whole reason he was banished in the first place was because he recklessly started a war because he just wanted to fight. He had a total disregard for the safety of others as long as he got to kill something. When he arrived on earth and thought he lost everything it's pretty clear he quickly warms up to being on earth, so when he learned of what Loki was planning he had a reason to fight. To defend both his Asgard and earth, this worthy purpose of is what allowed him to once again wield mjolnir.

It's a little suspicious that nearly 1050 years after the big war with the jotnar, they're ''still'' living in ruins. Even if they couldn't pull themselves back to where they were before Odin took the Casket of Ancient Winters, you'd think that after all that time, they could have gotten ''something'' up and going again.

Laufey is an experienced warlord, at least as much as Odin. He's obviously experienced in the ways of war. A warlord has to be able to except losses and casualties, and a bloodthirsty one like Laufey even more so. It would take a kind of special loss to make Laufey willing to engage in a truce, even for a while. The death of your first son, perhaps. Hence his line: "You know not what your actions would unleash. ''({{Beat}})'' ...I do."

[[WMG: The Enchantress will break Loki out of prison in ''Thor 2''.]]

The mythology is pretty clear that the Aesir can't keep it in their pants, especially with Jotun. Explains why he's so tiny and why he changes color. Odin probably knows this, but didn't tell Loki because he's a lying bastard.

All Jotun are blue only when super-cooled, otherwise they have humanlike coloring. Full-grown Jotun take a while to warm up, so they remained blue while wandering around
Asgard. Likewise, full-grown Loki doesn't cool down very fast unless he's making direct contact with a source of extreme cold, such as the Jotunheim power source or an actual Jotun. (Baby Loki, on the other hand, is very tiny and conducts heat pretty quickly.)

On the one hand, his motives are largely good: he wants to make his father proud and do his duty for Asgard. His real villainy only came after he went mad from the revalation that he was a Frost Giant, though he definitely also has Jealousy as a major character flaw. That may be enough reason for him to feel regret at how things turned out. On the other hand, he winds up trying to [[MoralEventHorizon kill his brother and commit genocide against the Jotuns, not to mention showing no regard for the human collateral damage the destroyer caused.]] Even if he felt regret about it, he might either decide he'd already gone too far to change or that noone would accept his HeelFaceTurn after everything he's done.
* One has to debate upon his genocide against the Jotuns though because it is more than likely that he believed that if he managed to destroy what was currently a threat to Asgard, he would be doing his father proud.

** The second act will deal with Thor and Loki's issues with each other while they go on some quest to find some MacGuffin to stop Surtur, including Loki turning into his Jotun form and lashing out at Thor and Thor eventually giving Loki a long cooldown hug (with optional frostbite ensuing). They will get to the MacGuffin after fighting beings like Jormungand (not Loki's son here) and Dark Elves (maybe Malekith the Accursed or Pre-Kurse Algrim the Strong) and get to the MacGuffin, but it's just a MagicFeather and Loki says "well, that's it then" and knocks Thor out.

The era when Norse myth was first recorded, based on observations of the war between the Asgardians and the Jotuns, predated the birth of Thor. So, why does Norse legend record an individual named Thor? Because there was a warrior named Thor who fought in that war. He just wasn't Thor Odinson, or at least not the Thor of the movie. He was instead a red haired warrior of Odin's generation, and most likely died during the war. Thor Odinson, the Thor we know, is named after the deceased hero of the Jotun war. Hence the differences in appearance between him and his legend.

* By extension, the Loki in the film is not the first Asgardian to bear his name, either -- which is why there's a Loki in Norse mythology, and why someone can be seen wearing Loki's distinctive helmet during the scene where Odin claims the Jotuns' casket.

* Would you be able to tell a female jotun from a male? That said, I don't disagree. I could entirely see the jotuns reproducing asexually, maybe spinning off "eggs" of ice that "hatch" into their young.
* Going by the original mythology, while there were female Jotuns, Ymir (the original Frost Giant) produced numerous offspring by himself, so there may be something to this...

*** Then, if we take comics/movies as the "truth" and the myths as stories told by Norsemen who simply met Asgardians and Jotuns, perhaps for whatever reason they simply ended up conflating Loki's parents into one being.

* This Troper favors the idea that the Jotuns are an inherently magical race (preferring ice magic, obviously), and are thus ALL capable of shapeshifting (hence why baby Loki was able to transform into an Asgardian - it's a subconscious defense mechanism, an attempt to integrate into a species for safety). Laufey could have transformed into a female if he so desired, and mated with a male-formed Jotun (possibly Farbauti). So, technically, he WOULD be Loki's mother.

Think about it: the Asgardians entirely look human. They bear a connection to Earth, hence the defending of it from the Jotuns. And when stripped of their powers, the result is. . . a normal human. And we know humans are capable of developing preternatural abilities in the setting. So, theory: thousands of years back, there was an 'Age of Heroes' where superhumans evolved. They probably did their thing, grew powerful, bred a lot, developed understandings of their powers, and probably built great civilizations. For whatever reason, some or all of them decided to leave collectively, and create a new home ( or homes? ) elsewhere in the universe.

** I'll bite. Laufey came off as pretty reasonable to me. Evil, but reasonable, pragmatic, and wanting to do what's best for the Jotuns.

Balder was absent from the movie and it was noticable. We know that the movie combined elements from Earth-616 and Ultimate Universe. We also know that Donald Blake and Thor are two separate characters. So, my theory goes like this: Some time in the past, Balder was killed by Hoder. If Loki was involved, he managed to escape the blame. Then, Balder was reborn as a human: Donald Blake (like in the Ultimate Universe). The reason his relationship with Jane failed is the fact that, at that time, he was starting to remember who he really was.

An old Thor comic shows that there was originally different Asgard, closer to one in mythology (with Red-haired Thor and all). This Asgard was destroyed during Ragnarok in the first century, and then surviving gods (Balder was one of them) merged into a new Odin and created a new Asgard, the one we know. But later comics often show events happening before that featuring current version of characters. That's because the characters heard stories and integrated them into their memories. That also explains why there are different versions of some events (like Odin adopting Loki): Every time a god hears a new story featuring himself, or a new version of an existing story, he/she unknowingly integrates that story into his/her memory and forgets every story that contradicts it. This extends to other gods in the Marvel Universe, as proven by the fact that Hercules remembers doing all 12 of his labours, whaen 2 of them were done by Gilgamesh.

* This Troper (the one who speculated about Laufey below) is now writing a AU fanfic based on this guess.

Could it be that Laufey thinks that upon entering the deserted temple after the battle, Odin killed the baby Loki and disposed of the body? We only have Odin's word and perspective that Loki was actively abandoned, anything could have happened in the confusion of battle to leave the young heir alone. Hell, guards who may have been assigned to protect Loki may have been slaughtered earlier outside, rushing in headfirst to try and defend their charge for all we know.

Focusing on the Sif-Thor-Jane [[TriangRelations love triangle]] (type 1 or 10, depending on whether you interpret Thor and Jane being friends or an item). Thor and Jane are definitely set up in the first film, while Sif is very much attracted to Thor (and he flirts with her) along with being his wife in [[NorseMythology the original myths]].

** I'll bite. Laufey came off as pretty reasonable to me. Evil, but reasonable, pragmatic, and wanting to do what's best for the Jotuns.

Perhaps this is an overly elaborate {{Cry for the Devil}}, but I dig me some character speculation.

[[PlanetEater Galactus]]. This won't be revealed until much farther down the road when the fans and mainstream viewers manage to have the bad taste of Death Cloud Galactus washed from their mouths.

** The second act will deal with Thor and Loki's issues with each other while they go on some quest to find some MacGuffin to stop Surtur, including Loki turing into his Jotun form and lashing out at Thor and Thor eventually giving Loki a long cooldown hus (with optional frostbite ensuing). They will get to the MacGuffin after fighting beings like Jormungand (not Loki's son here) and Dark Elves (maybe Malekith the Accursed or Pre-Kurse Algrim the Strong) and get to the MacGuffin, but it's just a MagicFeather and Loki says "well, that's it then" and knocks Thor out.

*** Tom Hiddleston, the actor who plays him, has said that [[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/09/01/thor-2-tom-hiddleston/ he thinks that Loki might get a shot a redemption]] in the solo ''Thor'' sequel set after ''TheAvengers''.

[[WMG: The Serpent in {{FearItself}} was either Vili or Ve]]

This is why they can't easily rebuild the Bifrost bridge or equip everyone with a mass-produced Thor's Hammer, and why they refer to their tech as "magic". Their tech is actually made by another alien race, probably the ones corresponding to the dwarves in Norse myth (who made most of the Norse god's weapons and artefacts). Unfortunately the dwarves live elsewhere in the 9 Worlds and getting to them without the Bifrost is not easy.

Vili and Ve were the '''brothers of Odin''', who helped Odin create the universe from Ymir's body in Norse Mythology. In the Marvel Universe, one of them took on the name "The Serpent", and was prophecized to kill Thor.

It's a little destructive when it opens up, so it only makes sense. Maybe Arizona's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_Crater Meteor Crater]] was from a particularly forceful transport.