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[[WMG: Saya blooming is the secret origin of [[WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty Cronenberg World]].]]
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[[WMG: Saya blooming is the secret origin of [[WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty Cronenberg World]].Earth]].]]
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Just because Cronenberg-Morty says "everyone was cronenberged all along like us from the beginning, y'know," doesn't make it true. Maybe the Saya event happened before Morty was born.
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Just because Cronenberg-Morty Cronenberg Morty says "everyone was cronenberged Cronenberged all along like us from the beginning, y'know," beginning" doesn't make it true. Maybe the Saya event happened before Morty was born.
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Or a witch.
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Or a witch.witch.
* Alternately, the creature we see in the game is a familiar created by a Witch named Saya. With around the same level of karmic destiny that generated Ultimate Gretchen, but without the wish that negated its existence, the Witch has already absorbed all of her home Universe into her barrier and has sent familiars into other Universes to take them out like a chain of dominoes. Dr. Ougai was effectively "kissed" by the familiar through the boundary between our Universe and Inter-Universal space, which encouraged him to open a gateway to let it in. The familiar just has to kill enough people to fully mature into another instance of the original Saya. After that, it can use the genetic information that it's gathered to expand its barrier across the new Universe, and to send out more copies of itself into others. Fuminori sees the Magical Girl who would later go on to become the original Saya when he looks at her.
* Alternately, the creature we see in the game is a familiar created by a Witch named Saya. With around the same level of karmic destiny that generated Ultimate Gretchen, but without the wish that negated its existence, the Witch has already absorbed all of her home Universe into her barrier and has sent familiars into other Universes to take them out like a chain of dominoes. Dr. Ougai was effectively "kissed" by the familiar through the boundary between our Universe and Inter-Universal space, which encouraged him to open a gateway to let it in. The familiar just has to kill enough people to fully mature into another instance of the original Saya. After that, it can use the genetic information that it's gathered to expand its barrier across the new Universe, and to send out more copies of itself into others. Fuminori sees the Magical Girl who would later go on to become the original Saya when he looks at her.
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[[WMG: Saya is a clone of one of [[{{Exalted}} Kimbery's]] jouten]]
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[[WMG: Saya is a clone of one of [[{{Exalted}} [[TabletopGame/{{Exalted}} Kimbery's]] jouten]]
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Just because Cronenberg-Morty says "everyone was cronenberged all along like us from the beginning, y'know," doesn't make it true. Maybe the Saya event happened before Morty was born.
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* So it's like WelcomeToTheNHK: The DarkerAndEdgier Creator/HPLovecraft version?
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* So it's like WelcomeToTheNHK: Anime/WelcomeToTheNHK: The DarkerAndEdgier Creator/HPLovecraft version?
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[[WMG: Saya is a [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica magical girl]].]]
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[[WMG: Saya is a [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica magical girl]].
Or a witch.
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In an interview he stated that he nearly died in an epidemic and developed "eyesight of the dead" while in the hospital; hence his extremely DarkerAndEdgier worldview. Somehow his illness caused him to literally start seeing Sakisaka's vision of a world of gore. They say to write what you know...
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In an interview he stated that he nearly died in an epidemic and developed "eyesight of the dead" while in the hospital; hence his extremely DarkerAndEdgier worldview. Somehow his illness caused him to literally start seeing Sakisaka's vision of a world of gore. They say to write what you know...know...
[[WMG: Saya is a [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica magical girl]].]]
[[WMG: Saya is a [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica magical girl]].]]
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[[WMG: The visual novel is a metaphor for severe {{hikikomori}}sm.]]
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[[WMG: The visual novel is a metaphor for severe {{hikikomori}}sm.{{hikikomori}}.]]
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[[WMG: Fuminori's perspective is partially a result of seeing his parents' death]]
It was mentioned that the death of Fuminori's parents was so grisly, it was difficult to tell their corpses apart.
It was mentioned that the death of Fuminori's parents was so grisly, it was difficult to tell their corpses apart.
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Given that he kept her in his house while he was studying her and was never freaked out by her appearance, it makes sense. How long did he have it? I don't know. He may have been much more high-functioning than Fuminori, however.
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Given that he kept her in his house while he was studying her and was never freaked out by her appearance, it makes sense. How long did he have it? I don't know. He may have been much more high-functioning than Fuminori, however.however.
[[WMG: Urobutcher had the same experience as Sakisaka; this show is practically his autobiography.]]
In an interview he stated that he nearly died in an epidemic and developed "eyesight of the dead" while in the hospital; hence his extremely DarkerAndEdgier worldview. Somehow his illness caused him to literally start seeing Sakisaka's vision of a world of gore. They say to write what you know...
[[WMG: Urobutcher had the same experience as Sakisaka; this show is practically his autobiography.]]
In an interview he stated that he nearly died in an epidemic and developed "eyesight of the dead" while in the hospital; hence his extremely DarkerAndEdgier worldview. Somehow his illness caused him to literally start seeing Sakisaka's vision of a world of gore. They say to write what you know...
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\"it got worse\" party!
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This makes it even more NightmareFuel, because Desecration effects don't warp minds. [[AndIMustScream Which means that Saya's victims are still fully human, mentally, even though their bodies resemble something out of the Mariana Trench.]] [[ItGotWorse And then their Great Mother's direct lieutenants arrive to collect in full the debt they acquired from the "miraculous gift" they were loaned.]]
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This makes it even more NightmareFuel, because Desecration effects don't warp minds. [[AndIMustScream Which means that Saya's victims are still fully human, mentally, even though their bodies resemble something out of the Mariana Trench.]] [[ItGotWorse And then [[FromBadToWorse Then their Great Mother's direct lieutenants arrive to collect in full the debt they acquired from the "miraculous gift" they were loaned.]]
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The world is actually covered in eldritch and everything is as Fuminori sees it. Our minds cause us to see a cleaner version to keep us sane, ala self-imposed PlatonicCave. When Fuminori went under experimental brain surgery it broke the part of his brain that protects us and he began to see the world as it really is, anyone who saw Saya saw her as a monster because their brains were not used to something looking like reality should look. When Saya bloomed it returned the world to looking like it should have in the first place. After about a month or so then everyone's minds will readjust and everything will go back to normal
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The world is actually covered in eldritch and everything is as Fuminori sees it. Our minds cause us to see a cleaner version to keep us sane, ala self-imposed PlatonicCave. When Fuminori went under experimental brain surgery it broke the part of his brain that protects us and he began to see the world as it really is, anyone who saw Saya saw her as a monster because their brains were not used to something looking like reality should look. When Saya bloomed it returned the world to looking like it should have in the first place. After about a month or so then everyone's minds will readjust and everything will go back to normal
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* This was due to capitalism, consumerism, and the evil in people's hearts.
* This was due to capitalism, consumerism, and the evil in people's hearts.
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This makes it even more NightmareFuel, because Desecration effects don't warp minds. [[AndIMustScream Which means that Saya's victims are still fully human, mentally, even though their bodies resemble something out of the Mariana Trench.]] [[ItGotWorse And then their Great Mother's direct lieutenants arrive to collect in full the debt they acquired from the "miraculous gift" they were loaned.]]
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This makes it even more NightmareFuel, because Desecration effects don't warp minds. [[AndIMustScream Which means that Saya's victims are still fully human, mentally, even though their bodies resemble something out of the Mariana Trench.]] [[ItGotWorse And then their Great Mother's direct lieutenants arrive to collect in full the debt they acquired from the "miraculous gift" they were loaned.]]]]
[[WMG: Professor Ougai was suffering from the same disorder that Fuminori has]]
Given that he kept her in his house while he was studying her and was never freaked out by her appearance, it makes sense. How long did he have it? I don't know. He may have been much more high-functioning than Fuminori, however.
[[WMG: Professor Ougai was suffering from the same disorder that Fuminori has]]
Given that he kept her in his house while he was studying her and was never freaked out by her appearance, it makes sense. How long did he have it? I don't know. He may have been much more high-functioning than Fuminori, however.
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Perceives the outside world and other humans as abominable, duh. The part about how primary attachment and reason to live is a cute girl who may or may not even exist may allude to many hikikomoris' nearly-self-destructive [[{{Otaku}} obsession]] with {{Moe}}.
* So it's like WelcomeToTheNHK: The DarkerAndEdgier HPLovecraft version?
* So it's like WelcomeToTheNHK: The DarkerAndEdgier HPLovecraft version?
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Perceives the outside world and other humans as abominable, duh. The part about how primary attachment and reason to live is a cute girl who may or may not even exist may allude to many hikikomoris' nearly-self-destructive [[{{Otaku}} obsession]] with {{Moe}}.
{{Moe}}.
* So it's like WelcomeToTheNHK: The DarkerAndEdgierHPLovecraft Creator/HPLovecraft version?
* So it's like WelcomeToTheNHK: The DarkerAndEdgier
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[[WMG: [[SouthPark Stan Marsh]] was experiencing this in the episode "You're Getting Old."]]
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[[WMG: [[SouthPark [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Stan Marsh]] was experiencing this in the episode "You're Getting Old."]]
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What Ougai opened was actually a portal into an Infernal's lab where he was working on creating ways to terraform Creation into something suitable for the [[HellOnEarth Reclamation]], and drew the immature behemoth-clone of the All-Devouring Depths jouten into the game's Earth. Unfortunately, the Infernal noticed and followed, and decided to turn the planet into a testing ground for the future Saya, inspiring a parental instinct in Ougai and activating Saya's intincts to mimic her [[EvilMatriarch original]] and become a mom [[LovableSexManiac ASAP]]. Since Saya was truly female (unlike true [[{{Hermaphrodite}} Yozis]], she could not impregnate people with Kimbery's colonists, but instinctively knew how to [[MindRape shred]] the minds of people who saw her through UMI to avoid detection while she sampled biomass (this is why she finds prepared food horrible-without biometrics, it's just DNA, which a being spliced off from another which essentially ''is'' a primordial soup, is just plain unneeded). That was, until she met Fuminori.
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What Ougai opened was actually a portal into an Infernal's lab where he was working on creating ways to terraform Creation into something suitable for the [[HellOnEarth Reclamation]], and drew the immature behemoth-clone of the All-Devouring Depths jouten into the game's Earth. Unfortunately, the Infernal noticed and followed, and decided to turn the planet into a testing ground for the future Saya, inspiring a parental instinct in Ougai and activating Saya's intincts to mimic her [[EvilMatriarch original]] and become a mom [[LovableSexManiac ASAP]]. Since Saya was truly female (unlike true [[{{Hermaphrodite}} Yozis]], Yozis]]), she could not impregnate people with Kimbery's colonists, but instinctively knew how to [[MindRape shred]] the minds of people who saw her through UMI to avoid detection while she sampled biomass (this is why she finds prepared food horrible-without biometrics, it's just DNA, which a being spliced off from another which essentially ''is'' a primordial soup, is just plain unneeded). That was, until she met Fuminori.
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Except instead of Meat-Vision, it was Crap-Vision. If anyone's had it worse than Fuminori, it's Stan. And, of course, as the following episode shows, just drown yourself in alcohol and you'll be fine.
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Except instead of Meat-Vision, it was Crap-Vision. If anyone's had it worse than Fuminori, it's Stan. And, of course, as the following episode shows, just drown yourself in alcohol and you'll be fine.fine.
[[WMG: Saya is a clone of one of [[{{Exalted}} Kimbery's]] jouten]]
Specifically, the jouten corresponding to All-Devouring Depths Shintai, aka [[BlobMonster psuedo-shoggoth]] with [[PoisonIsCorrosive acid]] [[UniversalPoison tears]].
What Ougai opened was actually a portal into an Infernal's lab where he was working on creating ways to terraform Creation into something suitable for the [[HellOnEarth Reclamation]], and drew the immature behemoth-clone of the All-Devouring Depths jouten into the game's Earth. Unfortunately, the Infernal noticed and followed, and decided to turn the planet into a testing ground for the future Saya, inspiring a parental instinct in Ougai and activating Saya's intincts to mimic her [[EvilMatriarch original]] and become a mom [[LovableSexManiac ASAP]]. Since Saya was truly female (unlike true [[{{Hermaphrodite}} Yozis]], she could not impregnate people with Kimbery's colonists, but instinctively knew how to [[MindRape shred]] the minds of people who saw her through UMI to avoid detection while she sampled biomass (this is why she finds prepared food horrible-without biometrics, it's just DNA, which a being spliced off from another which essentially ''is'' a primordial soup, is just plain unneeded). That was, until she met Fuminori.
The reason the brain surgery was "experimental" was that it wasn't technology at all, but a bit of [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic thaumaturgy]] Saya's Infernal "father" invented to twist Fumiori's (judged an ideal subject due to his ability to remain isolated without setting off too many alarm bells) perceptions to be identical to Kimbery's, who being Kimbery, naturally sees the world without her touch as horrifying and wrong, while Saya is seen as a younger version of Kimbery's [[GodInHumanForm human form]]. Using her naturally divine beauty when viewed as another human and literally being born with an instinctual knowledge of how to use her feminine wiles to find a suitable mate, she seduces Fumiori and quickly turns him into her library on human biology / concubine. Her powers come to advance very quickly afterward, as she learns to Desecrate life forms into Kimbery's ideal (ie, mutant, often amphibious sea life).
Depending on the ending, the experiment fails as the procedure is undone and Saya is forced to relocate, it fails utterly as she ends up being frozen and, not being a spirit, is not able to [[HarmlessFreezing unfreeze]], or is a resounding success as she completes her analysis of the planet's biosphere and develops a terraforming agent that quickly transforms the world into Kimbery's [[InfernalParadise idea of paradise]]-a watery world of tentacled coral reefs, warped {{Kaiju}}, and glass cities overlooking green-blue bays filled with monsters. After Ryoko dies, the Infernal sends a colony fleet of demons to assimilate the reborn world into a new empire, and collect data to be used on Creation.
This makes it even more NightmareFuel, because Desecration effects don't warp minds. [[AndIMustScream Which means that Saya's victims are still fully human, mentally, even though their bodies resemble something out of the Mariana Trench.]] [[ItGotWorse And then their Great Mother's direct lieutenants arrive to collect in full the debt they acquired from the "miraculous gift" they were loaned.]]
[[WMG: Saya is a clone of one of [[{{Exalted}} Kimbery's]] jouten]]
Specifically, the jouten corresponding to All-Devouring Depths Shintai, aka [[BlobMonster psuedo-shoggoth]] with [[PoisonIsCorrosive acid]] [[UniversalPoison tears]].
What Ougai opened was actually a portal into an Infernal's lab where he was working on creating ways to terraform Creation into something suitable for the [[HellOnEarth Reclamation]], and drew the immature behemoth-clone of the All-Devouring Depths jouten into the game's Earth. Unfortunately, the Infernal noticed and followed, and decided to turn the planet into a testing ground for the future Saya, inspiring a parental instinct in Ougai and activating Saya's intincts to mimic her [[EvilMatriarch original]] and become a mom [[LovableSexManiac ASAP]]. Since Saya was truly female (unlike true [[{{Hermaphrodite}} Yozis]], she could not impregnate people with Kimbery's colonists, but instinctively knew how to [[MindRape shred]] the minds of people who saw her through UMI to avoid detection while she sampled biomass (this is why she finds prepared food horrible-without biometrics, it's just DNA, which a being spliced off from another which essentially ''is'' a primordial soup, is just plain unneeded). That was, until she met Fuminori.
The reason the brain surgery was "experimental" was that it wasn't technology at all, but a bit of [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic thaumaturgy]] Saya's Infernal "father" invented to twist Fumiori's (judged an ideal subject due to his ability to remain isolated without setting off too many alarm bells) perceptions to be identical to Kimbery's, who being Kimbery, naturally sees the world without her touch as horrifying and wrong, while Saya is seen as a younger version of Kimbery's [[GodInHumanForm human form]]. Using her naturally divine beauty when viewed as another human and literally being born with an instinctual knowledge of how to use her feminine wiles to find a suitable mate, she seduces Fumiori and quickly turns him into her library on human biology / concubine. Her powers come to advance very quickly afterward, as she learns to Desecrate life forms into Kimbery's ideal (ie, mutant, often amphibious sea life).
Depending on the ending, the experiment fails as the procedure is undone and Saya is forced to relocate, it fails utterly as she ends up being frozen and, not being a spirit, is not able to [[HarmlessFreezing unfreeze]], or is a resounding success as she completes her analysis of the planet's biosphere and develops a terraforming agent that quickly transforms the world into Kimbery's [[InfernalParadise idea of paradise]]-a watery world of tentacled coral reefs, warped {{Kaiju}}, and glass cities overlooking green-blue bays filled with monsters. After Ryoko dies, the Infernal sends a colony fleet of demons to assimilate the reborn world into a new empire, and collect data to be used on Creation.
This makes it even more NightmareFuel, because Desecration effects don't warp minds. [[AndIMustScream Which means that Saya's victims are still fully human, mentally, even though their bodies resemble something out of the Mariana Trench.]] [[ItGotWorse And then their Great Mother's direct lieutenants arrive to collect in full the debt they acquired from the "miraculous gift" they were loaned.]]
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Perceives the outside world and other humans as abominable, duh. The part about how primary attachment and reason to live is a cute girl who may or may not even exist may allude to many hikikomoris' nearly-self-destructive [[{{Otaku}} obsession]] with {{Moe}}.
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* so WelcomeToTheNHK: The HPLovecraft version?
* so WelcomeToTheNHK: The HPLovecraft version?
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Perceives the outside world and other humans as abominable, but whose duh. The part about how primary attachment and reason to live is an illusory a cute girl.girl who may or may not even exist may allude to many hikikomoris' [[{{Otaku}} obsession]] with {{Moe}}.
*so So it's like WelcomeToTheNHK: The DarkerAndEdgier HPLovecraft version?
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The world is actually covered in eldritch and everything is as Fuminori sees it. Our minds cause us to see a cleaner version to keep us sane, ala self-imposed PlatonicCave. When Fuminori went under experimental brain surgery it broke the part of his brain that protects us and he began to see the world as it really is, anyone who saw Saya saw her as a monster because their brains were not used to something looking like reality should look. When Saya bloomed it returned the world to looking like it should have in the first place. After about a month or so then everyone's minds will readjust and everything will go back to normal
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The world is actually covered in eldritch and everything is as Fuminori sees it. Our minds cause us to see a cleaner version to keep us sane, ala self-imposed PlatonicCave. When Fuminori went under experimental brain surgery it broke the part of his brain that protects us and he began to see the world as it really is, anyone who saw Saya saw her as a monster because their brains were not used to something looking like reality should look. When Saya bloomed it returned the world to looking like it should have in the first place. After about a month or so then everyone's minds will readjust and everything will go back to normalnormal
[[WMG: [[SouthPark Stan Marsh]] was experiencing this in the episode "You're Getting Old."]]
Except instead of Meat-Vision, it was Crap-Vision. If anyone's had it worse than Fuminori, it's Stan. And, of course, as the following episode shows, just drown yourself in alcohol and you'll be fine.
[[WMG: [[SouthPark Stan Marsh]] was experiencing this in the episode "You're Getting Old."]]
Except instead of Meat-Vision, it was Crap-Vision. If anyone's had it worse than Fuminori, it's Stan. And, of course, as the following episode shows, just drown yourself in alcohol and you'll be fine.
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The world is actually covered in eldritch and everything is as Fuminori sees it. Our minds cause us to see a cleaner version to keep us sane, ala self-imposed PlatonicCave. When Fuminori was in the accident went under experimental brain surgery it broke the part of his brain that protects us and he began to see the world as it really is, anyone who saw Saya saw her as a monster because their brains were not used to something looking like reality should look. When Saya bloomed it returned the world to looking like it should have in the first place. After about a month or so then everyone's minds will readjust and everything will go back to normal
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The world is actually covered in guts and everything is as Fuminori sees it. Our minds cause us to see a cleaner version to keep us sane. When Fuminori was in the accident it broke the part of his brain that protects us and he began to see the world as it really is, anyone who saw Saya saw her as a monster because their brains were not used to something looking like reality should look. When Saya bloomed it returned the world to looking like it should have in the first place. After about a month or so then everyone's minds will readjust and everything will go back to normal
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The world is actually covered in guts eldritch and everything is as Fuminori sees it. Our minds cause us to see a cleaner version to keep us sane.sane, ala self-imposed PlatonicCave. When Fuminori was in the accident it broke the part of his brain that protects us and he began to see the world as it really is, anyone who saw Saya saw her as a monster because their brains were not used to something looking like reality should look. When Saya bloomed it returned the world to looking like it should have in the first place. After about a month or so then everyone's minds will readjust and everything will go back to normal
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