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*** Because apparently even FoeYay HoYay with highly disturbing implications is better with monkeys.
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*** Because apparently even FoeYay with highly disturbing implications is [[EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys better with monkeys]].

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*** Because apparently even FoeYay with highly disturbing implications is [[EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys better with monkeys]].
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The Demon King showed disdain for other races so why did he agree to give his powers to Claus without going all out in trying to kill the group(he stated he was merely testing their powers so he ''obviously'' wasn't trying to kill them)? Simple. He was planning on using Claus to get his Demonic hands on the Eternal Sword so that he could go back in time to the point where Ratatosk's seal broke(1000 years after TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld since that's when it would be '''''safest''''' to approach Ratatosk) and killed Ratatosk and his Centurions just as Richter was freed from his duties(Pluto probably killed Richter too) breaking the seal at the point in time the seal was ''supposed'' to break and just before the better seal could be put into place.

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The Demon King showed disdain for other races so why did he agree to give his powers to Claus without going all out in trying to kill the group(he stated he was merely testing their powers so he ''obviously'' wasn't trying to kill them)? Simple. He was planning on using Claus to get his Demonic hands on the Eternal Sword so that he could go back in time to the point where Ratatosk's seal broke(1000 years after TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld since that's when it would be '''''safest''''' to approach Ratatosk) and killed Ratatosk and his Centurions just as Richter was freed from his duties(Pluto probably killed Richter too) breaking the seal at the point in time the seal was ''supposed'' to break and just before the better seal could be put into place.
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The Demon King showed disdain for other races so why did he agree to give his powers to Claus without going all out in trying to kill the group(he stated he was merely testing their powers so he ''obviously'' wasn't trying to kill them)? Simple. He was planning on using Claus to get his Demonic hands on the Eternal Sword so that he could go back in time to the point where Ratatosk's seal broke(1000 years after TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld since that's when it would be '''''safest''''' to approach Ratatosk) and killed Ratatosk and his Centurions just as Richter was freed from his duties(Pluto probably killed Richter too) breaking the seal at the point in time the seal was ''supposed'' to break.

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The Demon King showed disdain for other races so why did he agree to give his powers to Claus without going all out in trying to kill the group(he stated he was merely testing their powers so he ''obviously'' wasn't trying to kill them)? Simple. He was planning on using Claus to get his Demonic hands on the Eternal Sword so that he could go back in time to the point where Ratatosk's seal broke(1000 years after TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld since that's when it would be '''''safest''''' to approach Ratatosk) and killed Ratatosk and his Centurions just as Richter was freed from his duties(Pluto probably killed Richter too) breaking the seal at the point in time the seal was ''supposed'' to break.break and just before the better seal could be put into place.
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** Probably jossed by looking at their character models, particularly Genis and Zelos. Genis' exsphere is still on his hand while Zelos' is still on his chest.

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** Probably jossed by {{Jossed}}. Lloyd, Colette, Genis, Zelos, and Presea and are clearly still wearing theirs just from looking at their character models, particularly Genis models while Sheena explicitly says that she and Zelos. Genis' exsphere is Regal are still on his hand while Zelos' is still on his chest.
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** Probably jossed by looking at their character models, particularly Genis and Zelos. Genis' exsphere is still on his hand while Zelos' is still on his chest.




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* Considering Aster was Tethe'allan while the real Emil was Sylvaranti, that's a pretty distant relationship.
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* Even if Clara was getting on in the years, there's no way Aster could be seen as Emil if they were drastically different.

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* Even if Clara was getting on in the years, there's no way Aster could be seen as Emil if they were drastically different.different.

[[WMG: The seal on Niflheim is going to break and becomes the source of Divine Powers.]]
The breaking of the seal on Niflheim is confirmed by Tales of Phantasia where you even encounter the Demon King Pluto himself. Somehow Pluto managed to kill Ratatosk and when Mana dissapeared he granted people Divine healing powers.

[[WMG: Pluto stole the Eternal Sword from Claus(before he could seal it) and used it to go back in time to kill Ratatosk.]]
The Demon King showed disdain for other races so why did he agree to give his powers to Claus without going all out in trying to kill the group(he stated he was merely testing their powers so he ''obviously'' wasn't trying to kill them)? Simple. He was planning on using Claus to get his Demonic hands on the Eternal Sword so that he could go back in time to the point where Ratatosk's seal broke(1000 years after TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld since that's when it would be '''''safest''''' to approach Ratatosk) and killed Ratatosk and his Centurions just as Richter was freed from his duties(Pluto probably killed Richter too) breaking the seal at the point in time the seal was ''supposed'' to break.
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** Not very likely, as even when Ratatosk IS awake and fully aware of what happened, Tenebrae still uses his normal male voice.

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** Not very likely, as even when Ratatosk IS awake and fully aware of what happened, Tenebrae still uses his normal male voice.voice.

[[WMG: Aster and the ''real'' Emil Castagnier are related]]

* Both have blond hair; Lana and Reysol were both blondes, so we can assume Emil did as well.
* Even if Clara was getting on in the years, there's no way Aster could be seen as Emil if they were drastically different.
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Marta is in a coma, and imagines this ENTIRE game. Not the original ''TalesOfSymphonia''. She played that game and loved it, so that's why the dream is based in that world. She didn't like Lloyd's voice, which is why he sounds completely different. Everyone that's an original character is from her actual life. Emil is the guy she has an obsessive [[StalkerWithACrush stalker crush]] on. Richter is the most popular guy in school. Alice is the popular high school mean girl, and Decus is the good-looking loser she dates. Tenebrae is her dog. Brute is still her dad, and they've had a bad relationship thanks to adolescence and all that. Ratatosk Emil and the Vanguard are her bad thoughts and feelings surfacing.

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Marta is in a coma, and imagines this ENTIRE game. Not the original ''TalesOfSymphonia''.''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. She played that game and loved it, so that's why the dream is based in that world. She didn't like Lloyd's voice, which is why he sounds completely different. Everyone that's an original character is from her actual life. Emil is the guy she has an obsessive [[StalkerWithACrush stalker crush]] on. Richter is the most popular guy in school. Alice is the popular high school mean girl, and Decus is the good-looking loser she dates. Tenebrae is her dog. Brute is still her dad, and they've had a bad relationship thanks to adolescence and all that. Ratatosk Emil and the Vanguard are her bad thoughts and feelings surfacing.

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She is simply using a male voice to not jog Ratatosk's memory on who he is. So keeps herself male to keep Ratatosk from waking up.

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* She is simply using a male voice to not jog Ratatosk's memory on who he is. So keeps herself male to keep Ratatosk from waking up.up.
** Not very likely, as even when Ratatosk IS awake and fully aware of what happened, Tenebrae still uses his normal male voice.
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* She apprently doesn't like most of the cast's voices, except for Presea's and Colette's. Also, her dog looks an awful lot like a black panther.
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** I suppose it's more like Mild Mass Guessing, then. It's never openly stated that this is what Ratatosk did but it is strongly implied.

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** I suppose it's more like Mild Mass Guessing, then. It's never openly stated that this is what Ratatosk did but it is strongly implied.implied.

[[WMG: Tenebrae is female]]

She is simply using a male voice to not jog Ratatosk's memory on who he is. So keeps herself male to keep Ratatosk from waking up.
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[[WMG: This game is all an illusion, thought up by Marta.]]

Marta is in a coma, and imagines this ENTIRE game. Not the original ''TalesOfSymphonia''. She played that game and loved it, so that's why the dream is based in that world. She didn't like Lloyd's voice, which is why he sounds completely different. Everyone that's an original character is from her actual life. Emil is the guy she has an obsessive [[StalkerWithACrush stalker crush]] on. Richter is the most popular guy in school. Alice is the popular high school mean girl, and Decus is the good-looking loser she dates. Tenebrae is her dog. Brute is still her dad, and they've had a bad relationship thanks to adolescence and all that. Ratatosk Emil and the Vanguard are her bad thoughts and feelings surfacing.

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Emil is said to be Ratatosk's kindness and conscience, not just an artificial personality. How did these aspects of his personality become its own separate entity, anyway? While it may also be due to how Ratatosk perceives humans (he thinks humans are weak, so he let his "weaker traits" surface), perhaps there's something else to it than that. Perhaps after Ratatosk gave Mithos's group the Derris Emblem and was betrayed by him in some unspecified manner, he began to harden his heart against humans and half-elves. The destruction of his tree just further angered him. Perhaps he felt that if weren't for his kindness towards both races and his conscience telling that it would be wrong, he could have wiped out both races before they killed his host tree. Thus he resolved to quash what he thought were his weaknesses. This side of his mind, long repressed was be allowed to surface when he awoke, but was too weak and suffering from amnesia. He might has also subconsciously knew that being aggressive towards people would not help him. Since his kindness and conscience was so diminished, and perhaps in a way "cut off" from the rest of his personality, these feeling which would become a separate personality lacked courage. Being harshly treated by the people of Luin didn't help matters.
* Don't forget the implication that his uncle beats him. But...is something really WildMassGuessing if it's pretty much spelled out in the game? Oh well, even if it weren't, it makes a lot of sense thematically. Broken world, broken World Tree Spirit.

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Emil is said to be Ratatosk's kindness and conscience, not just an artificial personality. How did these aspects of his personality become its own separate entity, anyway? While it may also be due to how Ratatosk perceives humans (he thinks humans are weak, so he let his "weaker traits" surface), perhaps there's something else to it than that. Perhaps after Ratatosk gave Mithos's group the Derris Emblem and was betrayed by him in some unspecified manner, he began to harden his heart against humans and half-elves. The destruction of his tree just further angered him. Perhaps he felt that if weren't for his kindness towards both races and his conscience telling that it would be wrong, he could have wiped out both races before they killed his host tree. Thus he resolved to quash what he thought were his weaknesses. This side of his mind, long repressed was be allowed to surface when he awoke, but was too weak and suffering from amnesia. He might has also subconsciously knew that being aggressive towards people would not help him. Since his kindness and conscience was so diminished, and perhaps in a way "cut off" from the rest of his personality, these feeling which would become a separate personality lacked lacking courage. Being harshly treated by the people of Luin didn't help matters.
* Don't forget the implication that his uncle beats him. But...is something really WildMassGuessing if it's pretty much spelled out in the game? Oh well, even if it weren't, it makes a lot of sense thematically. Broken world, broken World Tree Spirit.Spirit.
**I suppose it's more like Mild Mass Guessing, then. It's never openly stated that this is what Ratatosk did but it is strongly implied.

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Emil is said to be Ratatosk's kindness and conscience, not just an artificial personality. How did these aspects of his personality become its own separate entity, anyway? While it may also be due to how Ratatosk percieves humans (he thinks humans are weak, so he let his "weaker traits" surface), perhaps there's something else to it than that. Perhaps after Ratatosk gave Mithos's group the Derris Emblem and was betrayed by him in some unspecified manner, he began to harden his heart against humans and half-elves. The destruction of his tree just further angered him. Perhaps he felt that if weren't for his kindness towards both races and his conscience telling that it would be wrong, he could have wiped out both races before they killed his host tree. Thus he resovled to quash what he thought were his weaknesses. This side of his mind, long repressed was be allowed to surface when he awoke, but was too weak and suffering from amnesia. He might has also subconciously knew that being aggressive towards people would not help him. Since his kindess and conscience was so diminished, and perhaps in a way "cut off" from the rest of his personality, these feeling which would become a separate personality lacked courage. Being harshly treated by the people of Luin didn't help matters.

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Emil is said to be Ratatosk's kindness and conscience, not just an artificial personality. How did these aspects of his personality become its own separate entity, anyway? While it may also be due to how Ratatosk percieves perceives humans (he thinks humans are weak, so he let his "weaker traits" surface), perhaps there's something else to it than that. Perhaps after Ratatosk gave Mithos's group the Derris Emblem and was betrayed by him in some unspecified manner, he began to harden his heart against humans and half-elves. The destruction of his tree just further angered him. Perhaps he felt that if weren't for his kindness towards both races and his conscience telling that it would be wrong, he could have wiped out both races before they killed his host tree. Thus he resovled resolved to quash what he thought were his weaknesses. This side of his mind, long repressed was be allowed to surface when he awoke, but was too weak and suffering from amnesia. He might has also subconciously subconsciously knew that being aggressive towards people would not help him. Since his kindess kindness and conscience was so diminished, and perhaps in a way "cut off" from the rest of his personality, these feeling which would become a separate personality lacked courage. Being harshly treated by the people of Luin didn't help matters.matters.
*Don't forget the implication that his uncle beats him. But...is something really WildMassGuessing if it's pretty much spelled out in the game? Oh well, even if it weren't, it makes a lot of sense thematically. Broken world, broken World Tree Spirit.
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[[WMG: Ratatosk surpressed or quashed his kindness and conscience shortly aftr being betrayed by Mithos's group]]

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[[WMG: Ratatosk surpressed or quashed his kindness and conscience shortly aftr after being betrayed by Mithos's group]]
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** And even if she did become an Exbelua, Raine knows the technique to change her back.

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** And even if she did become an Exbelua, Raine knows the technique to change her back.back.

[[WMG: Ratatosk surpressed or quashed his kindness and conscience shortly aftr being betrayed by Mithos's group]]

Emil is said to be Ratatosk's kindness and conscience, not just an artificial personality. How did these aspects of his personality become its own separate entity, anyway? While it may also be due to how Ratatosk percieves humans (he thinks humans are weak, so he let his "weaker traits" surface), perhaps there's something else to it than that. Perhaps after Ratatosk gave Mithos's group the Derris Emblem and was betrayed by him in some unspecified manner, he began to harden his heart against humans and half-elves. The destruction of his tree just further angered him. Perhaps he felt that if weren't for his kindness towards both races and his conscience telling that it would be wrong, he could have wiped out both races before they killed his host tree. Thus he resovled to quash what he thought were his weaknesses. This side of his mind, long repressed was be allowed to surface when he awoke, but was too weak and suffering from amnesia. He might has also subconciously knew that being aggressive towards people would not help him. Since his kindess and conscience was so diminished, and perhaps in a way "cut off" from the rest of his personality, these feeling which would become a separate personality lacked courage. Being harshly treated by the people of Luin didn't help matters.
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** As long as there's a Key Crest it should be safe to remove an Exsphere. That's just how it works.

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** As long as there's a Key Crest it should be safe to remove an Exsphere. That's just how it works.works.
** And even if she did become an Exbelua, Raine knows the technique to change her back.

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