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[[WMG: Rich was institutionalized [[spoiler: after Grace died.]]]]
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[[WMG: Rich was institutionalized [[spoiler: after Grace died.]]]]]]
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Or a distant ancestor or earlier incarnation of her. I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent to the level of being scary-smart (tell me the thing that Cassie did with her A-level exam of seeing how long she could wait to start "and still get an A" isn't something River would totally do) but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point). Also, they share the same basic body type, even if they have different hair colors, faces, etc.
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Or a distant ancestor or earlier incarnation of her. I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent to the level of being scary-smart (tell me the thing that Cassie did with her A-level exam of seeing how long she could wait to start "and still get an A" isn't something River would totally do) but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] pregnant - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point). Also, they share the same basic body type, even if they have different hair colors, faces, etc.
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This would also explain why [[spoiler: Alex]] made his first appearance the episode right after [[spoiler:Grace's death]], he really is replacing her in the gang as the resident JustForFun/TimeLord.
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This would also explain why [[spoiler: Alex]] Alex made his first appearance the episode right after [[spoiler:Grace's death]], Grace's death, he really is replacing her in the gang as the resident JustForFun/TimeLord.
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I mean, they do kind of look alike, and Tony's massive ego and sociopathy would be explained by him being the personification of [[spoiler: Pride]].
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I mean, they do kind of look alike, and Tony's massive ego and sociopathy would be explained by him being the personification of [[spoiler: Pride]].
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Sort of like [[spoiler:''Film/FightClub'']], she is another side to Tony. Everything she does, it's actually him doing it. He mouths off to the douche-y teacher, jumps in the pool on his own, turns out the lights to challenge himself, and then masturbates in the stoners' dorm room, which is still an accomplishment, as he is finally able to get it up. Him having the tattoo when he gets home is meant to signify that he was the one who got it, not her.
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Sort of like [[spoiler:''Film/FightClub'']], ''Film/FightClub'', she is another side to Tony. Everything she does, it's actually him doing it. He mouths off to the douche-y teacher, jumps in the pool on his own, turns out the lights to challenge himself, and then masturbates in the stoners' dorm room, which is still an accomplishment, as he is finally able to get it up. Him having the tattoo when he gets home is meant to signify that he was the one who got it, not her.
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[[WMG: Effy is a TimeLord]]
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[[WMG: Effy is a TimeLord]]JustForFun/TimeLord]]
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This would also explain why [[spoiler: Alex]] made his first appearance the episode right after [[spoiler:Grace's death]], he really is replacing her in the gang as the resident TimeLord.
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This would also explain why [[spoiler: Alex]] made his first appearance the episode right after [[spoiler:Grace's death]], he really is replacing her in the gang as the resident TimeLord.
JustForFun/TimeLord.
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That is why everyone halucinates about seeing her. They aren't all mad she is communicating with her friends.
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That is why everyone halucinates hallucinates about seeing her. They aren't all mad she is communicating with her friends.
* I'd wager that it's quite likely. It seems just a little too unrealistic that Rich would have the ability to force himself out of such a happy delusion on his own before explicitly finding out from Blood that Grace was dead.
* I'd wager that it's quite likely. It seems just a little too unrealistic that Rich would have the ability to force himself out of such a happy delusion on his own before explicitly finding out from Blood that Grace was dead.
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[[WMG:Cassie is an alternate universe version of [[{{Firefly}} River Tam]]]]
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[[WMG:Cassie is an alternate universe version of [[{{Firefly}} [[{{Series/Firefly}} River Tam]]]]
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Sort of like [[spoiler:''FightClub'']], she is another side to Tony. Everything she does, it's actually him doing it. He mouths off to the douche-y teacher, jumps in the pool on his own, turns out the lights to challenge himself, and then masturbates in the stoners' dorm room, which is still an accomplishment, as he is finally able to get it up. Him having the tattoo when he gets home is meant to signify that he was the one who got it, not her.
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Sort of like [[spoiler:''FightClub'']], [[spoiler:''Film/FightClub'']], she is another side to Tony. Everything she does, it's actually him doing it. He mouths off to the douche-y teacher, jumps in the pool on his own, turns out the lights to challenge himself, and then masturbates in the stoners' dorm room, which is still an accomplishment, as he is finally able to get it up. Him having the tattoo when he gets home is meant to signify that he was the one who got it, not her.
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I mean, they do kind of look alike, and Tony's massive ego and sociopathy would be explained by him being the personification of [[spoiler: Pride]].
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I mean, they do kind of look alike, and Tony's massive ego and sociopathy would be explained by him being the personification of [[spoiler: Pride]].Pride]].
[[WMG: The girl in S2:E6 "Tony" doesn't exist"]]
Sort of like [[spoiler:''FightClub'']], she is another side to Tony. Everything she does, it's actually him doing it. He mouths off to the douche-y teacher, jumps in the pool on his own, turns out the lights to challenge himself, and then masturbates in the stoners' dorm room, which is still an accomplishment, as he is finally able to get it up. Him having the tattoo when he gets home is meant to signify that he was the one who got it, not her.
[[WMG: The girl in S2:E6 "Tony" doesn't exist"]]
Sort of like [[spoiler:''FightClub'']], she is another side to Tony. Everything she does, it's actually him doing it. He mouths off to the douche-y teacher, jumps in the pool on his own, turns out the lights to challenge himself, and then masturbates in the stoners' dorm room, which is still an accomplishment, as he is finally able to get it up. Him having the tattoo when he gets home is meant to signify that he was the one who got it, not her.
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The reason Tony recovered from his accident, and over time, almost completely? It was because of Effy's wish. The various personality shifts she had with each season were her trying to deflect suspicion from the fact that she was sneaking off at night to fight witches. She lost her mind in S4 because, by then, she had learned the truth about Magical Girls (that they are liches, and that they're destined to become witches when they fall into despair) and she was worried that in her new relationship with Freddie, that he would find out the truth about her and her eventual fate. So she almost fell into despair and turned into a witch herself, but her friends were there to save her just in time. Maybe Pandora is a Magical Girl as well (her wish was for a friend, who turned out to be Effy - or, in S3, her wish was for Thomas to come back to the UK) and she was the one who stepped in to save Effy.
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The reason Tony recovered from his accident, and over time, almost completely? It was because of Effy's wish. The various personality shifts she had with each season were her trying to deflect suspicion from the fact that she was sneaking off at night to fight witches. She lost her mind in S4 because, by then, she had learned the truth about Magical Girls (that they are liches, and that they're destined to become witches when they fall into despair) and she was worried that in her new relationship with Freddie, that he would find out the truth about her and her eventual fate. So she almost fell into despair and turned into a witch herself, but her friends were there to save her just in time. Maybe Pandora is a Magical Girl as well (her wish was for a friend, who turned out to be Effy - or, in S3, her wish was for Thomas to come back to the UK) and she was the one who stepped in to save Effy.Effy.
[[WMG: Tony is the grown-up version of [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist Selim Bradley]]]]
I mean, they do kind of look alike, and Tony's massive ego and sociopathy would be explained by him being the personification of [[spoiler: Pride]].
[[WMG: Tony is the grown-up version of [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist Selim Bradley]]]]
I mean, they do kind of look alike, and Tony's massive ego and sociopathy would be explained by him being the personification of [[spoiler: Pride]].
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[[WMG: Effy is a [[PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Puella Magi]]]]
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* It's now been confirmed that Gen 3 will not appear and there'll be three episodes; one focused on Effy, one on Cook and one on Cassie. Considering the initial announcements suggested that all three gens would appear, that each special would be focused one of the gens as a whole and that those who appeared from each gen would get equal spotlight, you could say this WMG has been confirmed already.
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* It's now been confirmed that Gen 3 will not appear and there'll be three episodes; one focused on Effy, one on Cook and one on Cassie. Considering the initial announcements suggested that all three gens would appear, that each special would be focused one of the gens as a whole and that those who appeared from each gen would get equal spotlight, you could say this WMG has been confirmed already.already.
[[WMG: Effy is a [[PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Puella Magi]]]]
The reason Tony recovered from his accident, and over time, almost completely? It was because of Effy's wish. The various personality shifts she had with each season were her trying to deflect suspicion from the fact that she was sneaking off at night to fight witches. She lost her mind in S4 because, by then, she had learned the truth about Magical Girls (that they are liches, and that they're destined to become witches when they fall into despair) and she was worried that in her new relationship with Freddie, that he would find out the truth about her and her eventual fate. So she almost fell into despair and turned into a witch herself, but her friends were there to save her just in time. Maybe Pandora is a Magical Girl as well (her wish was for a friend, who turned out to be Effy - or, in S3, her wish was for Thomas to come back to the UK) and she was the one who stepped in to save Effy.
[[WMG: Effy is a [[PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Puella Magi]]]]
The reason Tony recovered from his accident, and over time, almost completely? It was because of Effy's wish. The various personality shifts she had with each season were her trying to deflect suspicion from the fact that she was sneaking off at night to fight witches. She lost her mind in S4 because, by then, she had learned the truth about Magical Girls (that they are liches, and that they're destined to become witches when they fall into despair) and she was worried that in her new relationship with Freddie, that he would find out the truth about her and her eventual fate. So she almost fell into despair and turned into a witch herself, but her friends were there to save her just in time. Maybe Pandora is a Magical Girl as well (her wish was for a friend, who turned out to be Effy - or, in S3, her wish was for Thomas to come back to the UK) and she was the one who stepped in to save Effy.
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* There's more reasons he could/should have been institutionalised. Check out the Headscratchers section...
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[[WMG: Rich was institutionalized [[spoiler: after Grace died.]]]]
His disappearance is never fully explained even in the extended on-line content. The Lit teacher is over the top nice upon his return and he looked like he was going to confess something when Liv freaked out at him and screamed "Why aren't you in the loony bin?!" A six week stint in an asylum to deal with massive depression would explain why he was gone.
His disappearance is never fully explained even in the extended on-line content. The Lit teacher is over the top nice upon his return and he looked like he was going to confess something when Liv freaked out at him and screamed "Why aren't you in the loony bin?!" A six week stint in an asylum to deal with massive depression would explain why he was gone.
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Right now the plan is a special about each of the three gens. I submit that what we end up getting will be something different. For Gen 1 all we have is confirmation that Tony and Jal will not appear (and Chris obviously) and I really can't see enough strong links between the remaining characters for them to all plausibly still be in touch five years laster, or for any interesting stories to be made for them to have their own dedicated special. Gen 2 looks slightly more promising with the confirmation that Effy and Cook are set to return, but it's slightly off that JJ is interested in returning but hasn't been asked to yet. And it's confirmed that Matty won't be returning as he's busy being in The Borgias. From this it seems that some people they haven't bothered asking and others can't do it as they're too busy now. So if they're not asking some people about returning then either they've never planned to do what was originally reported, or they do but they're leaving it too late to contact their actors who will ultimately not be available to do it as most of them are otherwise occupied now.
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Right now the plan is a special about each of the three gens. I submit that what we end up getting will be something different. For Gen 1 all we have is confirmation that Tony and Jal will not appear (and Chris obviously) and I really can't see enough strong links between the remaining characters for them to all plausibly still be in touch five years laster, or for any interesting stories to be made for them to have their own dedicated special. Gen 2 looks slightly more promising with the confirmation that Effy and Cook are set to return, but it's slightly off that JJ is interested in returning but hasn't been asked to yet. And it's confirmed that Matty won't be returning as he's busy being in The Borgias. From this it seems that some people they haven't bothered asking and others can't do it as they're too busy now. So if they're not asking some people about returning then either they've never planned to do what was originally reported, or they do but they're leaving it too late to contact their actors who will ultimately not be available to do it as most of them are otherwise occupied now.now.
*It's now been confirmed that Gen 3 will not appear and there'll be three episodes; one focused on Effy, one on Cook and one on Cassie. Considering the initial announcements suggested that all three gens would appear, that each special would be focused one of the gens as a whole and that those who appeared from each gen would get equal spotlight, you could say this WMG has been confirmed already.
*It's now been confirmed that Gen 3 will not appear and there'll be three episodes; one focused on Effy, one on Cook and one on Cassie. Considering the initial announcements suggested that all three gens would appear, that each special would be focused one of the gens as a whole and that those who appeared from each gen would get equal spotlight, you could say this WMG has been confirmed already.
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That is why everyone halucinates about seeing her. They aren't all mad she is communicating with her friends.
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That is why everyone halucinates about seeing her. They aren't all mad she is communicating with her friends.friends.
[[WMG: Series 7 will NOT GO TO PLAN.]]
Right now the plan is a special about each of the three gens. I submit that what we end up getting will be something different. For Gen 1 all we have is confirmation that Tony and Jal will not appear (and Chris obviously) and I really can't see enough strong links between the remaining characters for them to all plausibly still be in touch five years laster, or for any interesting stories to be made for them to have their own dedicated special. Gen 2 looks slightly more promising with the confirmation that Effy and Cook are set to return, but it's slightly off that JJ is interested in returning but hasn't been asked to yet. And it's confirmed that Matty won't be returning as he's busy being in The Borgias. From this it seems that some people they haven't bothered asking and others can't do it as they're too busy now. So if they're not asking some people about returning then either they've never planned to do what was originally reported, or they do but they're leaving it too late to contact their actors who will ultimately not be available to do it as most of them are otherwise occupied now.
[[WMG: Series 7 will NOT GO TO PLAN.]]
Right now the plan is a special about each of the three gens. I submit that what we end up getting will be something different. For Gen 1 all we have is confirmation that Tony and Jal will not appear (and Chris obviously) and I really can't see enough strong links between the remaining characters for them to all plausibly still be in touch five years laster, or for any interesting stories to be made for them to have their own dedicated special. Gen 2 looks slightly more promising with the confirmation that Effy and Cook are set to return, but it's slightly off that JJ is interested in returning but hasn't been asked to yet. And it's confirmed that Matty won't be returning as he's busy being in The Borgias. From this it seems that some people they haven't bothered asking and others can't do it as they're too busy now. So if they're not asking some people about returning then either they've never planned to do what was originally reported, or they do but they're leaving it too late to contact their actors who will ultimately not be available to do it as most of them are otherwise occupied now.
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* This did actually strike me as a possibility as well, and looking round the internet, the same goes for several other people. Unfortunately, it's been Jossed. Unless Series 7 plans on dropping some delayed twists on us to make for a REALLY climactic finale!
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* Very possible...and not at all surprising. It's generally implied that all the main characters are stoners to some degree (the show is named after a slang word for rolling papers after all) but the show decides against showing the characters smoking weed too often, instead showing us scenes that actually advance the plot of the current storyline.
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Like Effy was. This would explain her personality change in S6.
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Like Effy was. This would explain her personality change in S6.
[[WMG: Grace is a ghost in S6.]]
That is why everyone halucinates about seeing her. They aren't all mad she is communicating with her friends.
[[WMG: Grace is a ghost in S6.]]
That is why everyone halucinates about seeing her. They aren't all mad she is communicating with her friends.
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Or a distant ancestor or earlier incarnation of her. I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent to the level of being scary-smart (tell me the thing that Cassie did with her A-level exam of seeing how long she could wait to start "and still get an A" isn't something River would totally do) but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
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Or a distant ancestor or earlier incarnation of her. I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent to the level of being scary-smart (tell me the thing that Cassie did with her A-level exam of seeing how long she could wait to start "and still get an A" isn't something River would totally do) but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
point). Also, they share the same basic body type, even if they have different hair colors, faces, etc.
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[[WMG: The characters who die each generation are all Time Lords and when they die that's just creating a new incarnation of them]]
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Another idea is that maybe she's a StepfordSmiler trading off masks to hide some serious mental disorder, kind of like Effy was.
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Or, like with Effy, they're both different masks to hide some serious mental disorder.
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This would also explain why [[spoiler: Alex]] made his first appearance the episode right after [[spoiler:Grace's death]], he really is replacing her in the gang as the resident TimeLord.
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This would also explain why [[spoiler: Alex]] made his first appearance the episode right after [[spoiler:Grace's death]], he really is replacing her in the gang as the resident TimeLord.TimeLord.
[[WMG:S5!Franky and S6!Franky are actually different people]]
Or, like with Effy, they're both different masks to hide some serious mental disorder.
[[WMG:S5!Franky and S6!Franky are actually different people]]
Or, like with Effy, they're both different masks to hide some serious mental disorder.
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Or a distant ancestor or earlier incarnation of her. I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
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Or a distant ancestor or earlier incarnation of her. I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent to the level of being scary-smart (tell me the thing that Cassie did with her A-level exam of seeing how long she could wait to start "and still get an A" isn't something River would totally do) but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
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[[WMG:Cassie is a parallel universe version of [[{{Firefly}} River Tam]]]]
I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
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[[WMG:Cassie is a parallel an alternate universe version of [[{{Firefly}} River Tam]]]]
Or a distant ancestor or earlier incarnation of her. I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
Or a distant ancestor or earlier incarnation of her. I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
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be. But what would her TARDIS be? That stuffed giraffe?
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[[WMG: The characters who die each generation are all Time Lords and when they die that's just creating a new incarnation of them]]
This would also explain why [[spoiler: Alex]] made his first appearance the episode right after [[spoiler:Grace's death]], he really is replacing her in the gang as the resident TimeLord.
[[WMG: The characters who die each generation are all Time Lords and when they die that's just creating a new incarnation of them]]
This would also explain why [[spoiler: Alex]] made his first appearance the episode right after [[spoiler:Grace's death]], he really is replacing her in the gang as the resident TimeLord.
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It explains his DullSurprise and monotone, and his actions in the pilot of season 5- he comes across Franky and, in his drug-addled haze, hangs around despite the fact that she's distraught and wielding a gun. It also explained why he looked surprised when he said she was beautiful- he'd actually had a coherent thought.
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It explains his DullSurprise and monotone, and his actions in the pilot of season 5- he comes across Franky and, in his drug-addled haze, hangs around despite the fact that she's distraught and wielding a gun. It also explained why he looked surprised when he said she was beautiful- he'd actually had a coherent thought.thought.
[[WMG:Cassie is a parallel universe version of [[{{Firefly}} River Tam]]]]
I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
[[spoiler: Effy is a TimeLord]]
Because somebody has to be.
[[WMG:Cassie is a parallel universe version of [[{{Firefly}} River Tam]]]]
I mean, seriously, they are very similar characters - both very intelligent but very mentally-disturbed, and also [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Cloudcuckoolanders]], and Cassie's ability to read people and manipulate them borders on the psychic (see: the scene where she tells Jal she knows she's [[spoiler: pregnant]] - as far as we know, Jal hadn't told anybody by that point)
[[spoiler: Effy is a TimeLord]]
Because somebody has to be.
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It explains his DullSurprise and monotone, and his actions in the pilot of season 5- he comes across Franky and, in his drug-addled haze, hangs around despite the fact that she's distraught and wielding a gun. It also explained why he looked surprised when he said she was beautiful- he'd actually had a coherent thought.
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It explains his DullSurprise and monotone, and his actions in the pilot of season 5- he comes across Franky and, in his drug-addled haze, hangs around despite the fact that she's distraught and wielding a gun. It also explained why he looked surprised when he said she was beautiful- he'd actually had a coherent thought.
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I wouldn't put it past David Blood to lie to Rich just to get him away from her...
[[WMG: Matty is a hardcore stoner.]]
It explains his DullSurprise and monotone, and his actions in the pilot of season 5- he comes across Franky and, in his drug-addled haze, hangs around despite the fact that she's distraught and wielding a gun. It also explained why he looked surprised when he said she was beautiful- he'd actually had a coherent thought.
I wouldn't put it past David Blood to lie to Rich just to get him away from her...
[[WMG: Matty is a hardcore stoner.]]
It explains his DullSurprise and monotone, and his actions in the pilot of season 5- he comes across Franky and, in his drug-addled haze, hangs around despite the fact that she's distraught and wielding a gun. It also explained why he looked surprised when he said she was beautiful- he'd actually had a coherent thought.