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Teddie was born as a normal human some time some time after whenever TVs were invented (1930s?). As a child, he found out that he could enter the Midnight Channel and became fascinated by it. He ended up meeting his Shadow, but instead of rejecting it, he thought of it more as an imaginary friend. When he had free time, he would sneak into the Midnight Channel to play with Shadow!Teddie and then return home before his parents got suspicious. Eventually, he came to the decision to stay in the Midnight Channel forever. The reasons for this may vary; maybe he grew up in an abusive (or at least neglectful) household. Maybe he was scared of growing up. Maybe there was a life-changing event that he was unable to cope with. Or maybe he just thought his life was boring. Either way, he fled to the Midnight Channel for good.

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The protagonist nicholas angel and yu narukami from big cities and bumbling partner and has become only detective in village.

[[WMG:Upon defeating the BonusBoss Shadows, the MC eats them.]]

Kanji's main struggle is not his sexuality, is being seem as unmanly. Sure he may have entertained the idea he was into guys because liking things like sewing and such are considered to be signs of being gay. However it is only his encounter with Naoto Shirogane, for whom he immediately develops an attraction, that he may have ACTUALLY believe he was gay. Let's face it, [[EvenTheGirlsWantHer who]] [[EvenTheGuysWantHim isn't]] [[SweetPollyOliver gay]] [[AloofDarkHairedGirl for]] [[BuxomIsBetter Naoto?]] Had Naoto not approached Kanji befor he got kidnapped, the dungeon might have been some manner of doll house(with an Alice bonus boss) and his Shadow would have probably mocked him for liking dolls more than people or something.

** CriticalResearchFailure on what OccamsRazor actually entails. Read the actual article.

There will be another crossover with Capcom, like Nocturne, except that it will involve another addition to the story, not a side quest to get a new party member/Persona (Although getting [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Sparda]] as a Persona would be cool). Now, it can work as one of two ways, either a short television appearance/reference to their Japanese names, or a full blown unlockable minigame where you have to get involve, getting either MC/Narukami/Seta or [[Franchise/AceAttorney Miles Edgeworth]] to convict Mitsuo or Adachi, or even get Phoenix to defend Nametame or the MC from murder charges. Oh, come on, wouldn't it be awesome to have either Phoenix or Miles fighting Shadows with either Maya ([[NamesTheSame Fey]]) or Pearl as support? Also, Yosuke and Naoki could get closure by speaking to Saki.

* Or he could be bisexul.

Okay, this is a stretch, but let's go for it. It IS Wild Mass Guessing, after all. Also, lots of spoilers for the end of P3 and some things in P4. If you have not finished either game or cheated and watched it on Youtube, you have been warned.
* Ryoji[[spoiler: turns out to be the hugenormous Shadow known as Death.]] Teddie, meanwhile,[[spoiler: turns out to be a Shadow who woke up to human emotions one day.]] If one assumes that Ryoji's own personality wasn't actually assimilated-- which seems to be the case, considering he talks to the cast in P3 one last time after the final battle-- but that as [[spoiler: The Appriser and part of Nyx]] he wasn't allowed to keep it, it could have easily been expelled to be it's own little doo-dad, which in turn, becomes Teddie.
* Their personalities are actually quite similar. The flirting, the cheerful perkyness, the general sweetness, [[spoiler:the rediculous amount of angst they get upon realizing what they are.]] To be honest, the biggest difference is Teddie end up much less fatalistic. One could take it as after the final battle and the fact that the P3 scooby gang managed to win an "impossible" battle, the remnants of Ryoji's persona got new hope for fighting fate. Well, that and Teddie's jokes are made of derp.

There will be another crossover with Capcom, like Nocturne, except that it will involve another addition to the story, not a side quest to get a new party member/Persona (Although getting [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Sparda]] as a Persona would be cool). Now, it can work as one of two ways, either a short television appearance/reference to their Japanese names, or a full blown unlockable minigame where you have to get involve, getting either MC/Narukami/Seta or [[Franchise/AceAttorney Miles Edgeworth]] to convict [[spoiler: Mitsuo or Adachi]], or even get Phoenix to defend [[spoiler: Nametame]] or the MC from murder charges. Oh, come on, wouldn't it be awesome to have either Phoenix or Miles fighting Shadows with either Maya ([[NamesTheSame Fey]]) or Pearl as support? [[spoiler: Also, Yosuke and Naoki could get closure by speaking to Saki.]]

* When we're first introduced to him, Adachi vomits at the sight of Mayumi Yamano's body. It's suggested on the main page that this was an act, since [[spoiler: Adachi himself was the one who killed her.]] But think about this: when [[spoiler: Adachi threw Yamano inside the TV, he expressed surprise and excitement that such a thing was possible. (Presumably he had only placed parts of his body inside before.) Since he hadn't previously known that a person could actually enter the TV world, one could assume that he'd never done so himself and therefore probably wasn't aware that humans who entered the TV world were in any kind of danger.]] Thus, his vomiting was a very real reaction resulting from his initial shock at seeing Yamano's body.

[[WMG: Aika is [[spoiler:Izanami]]]]
Their hair is fairly similar, neither of them adhere to [[CurtainsMatchTheWindow Curtains matching the Window]] (unlike essentially everyone else), and we all know how important blue/grey-haired people end up being in Shin Megami Tensei properties. It would explain how she's capable of being basically everywhere at any point in time, and [[spoiler:wouldn't Izanami like to keep a closer eye on her most recent pawn?]]. The fact they went to the trouble to add her to the Anime despite not apparently doing anything with her (at the time of writing) seems to led credence to this theory.

** Through some horrible twist of fate, Aika had come across the Dark Hour and got killed by Shadows. However,her personality was rescued and placed into Aigis. Aika's body is kept in stasis by the Kijiro Group. ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' happens. After The Answer happens, Aigis loses her memories and returns to her own body, [[{{BecomeARealBoy}}regaining her human body]]. Her memories are dormant and may only be rerevealed in some awesome ending. Metis leaves her sister's robot body and takes her place as part of the Velvet Room cast.

''Bro, change your rage to smarter, greater cause!''<-She calls Narukami "onii-chan"/"big bro", and if you give in to your anger and [[spoiler: kill Namatame, she gets KilledOffForReal.]]

''Those who sympathize you die''<-She's the only one who believes you, [[spoiler: and suffers a DisneyDeath after her dungeon.]]

''Killers pass you by''<-I don't know how she figured it out (maybe she just guessed), but who among us thought that [[spoiler: Adachi]] was the culprit at first?

''Justice to them all''<-Think about it. During the True Ending, everyone gets what they deserve. Narukami's a hero, Namatame's free to go, [[spoiler: Adachi]]'s in prison, and the fog of deceit has left humanity's heart forever.

''Save me now, last beat of the soul!''<-After you save her, she gets her aforementioned [[spoiler: DisneyDeath]].

* Sorta [[spoiler:He's a generation 0 anti-shadow weapon. Labrys is gen 5 and Aigis is gen 7.]]

Yu is the Izanagi's Reincarnated, just like his initial Persona; while Marie is the Reincarnation of Izanami, as she reveals herself [[spoiler:as Kusumi-no-okami, the Avatar of Izanami]]. In the myth, when Izanagi ignored Izanami's warning and saw his lover's decaying body, seeing such horrifying sight caused him to run away from her, which angers Izanami. Ever since escaping Yomi, he starts to regret for his action that he wished to make things right. Though, it's too late for Izanagi to change the past, but he hope that in the next life, he'll make it better. As the Investigation Team arrived in Marie's dungeon and [[spoiler:saw her true form, Marie begs all of them to leave her, just as Izanagi left Izanami]]. However, Yu [[spoiler:decided not to leave her and tries to rescue her, even accepts her who she is]], something that Izanagi wished he would've done in his past.

** Jossed [[spoiler:she's an avatar/aspect of Izanami with IdentityAmnesia.]]

If only she'd had a sassy gay friend. [[spoiler: It would be Yosuke.]]

This can also explain one of Persona 4's Wall Bangers: Why didn't the MC [[spoiler: reveal his power to his uncle when he got apprehended?]] Answer: ''He did, but the portal was broken before hand.'' Who broke it? [[spoiler: Adachi did! He broke it when he pushed his second victim into the Midnight Channel!]]

* [[spoiler:Adachi]] says, in his Motive Rant, "[blah pointlessness of life blah]. Once you realize that, all you have left in your life is despair. The ultimate Game Over." He's not Emptiness. He's full of something. He's full of angry bitterness and, dare I say it, Despair.

* How is [[spoiler:Namatame]] supposed to be Despair in the first place? The Hope that he's doing the right thing is all he's clinging to the whole game until certain spoilers not immediately relevant to this WMG occur.

[[WMG:The endings of all the endings where [[spoiler: Adachi]] gets away with it are the same]]

As of Persona 4 Arena and Ultimax we also know that the Kirigo Group had kept test subjects for their experiments in the local hospital, and that they were far from benevolent under Mitsuru's grandfather [[spoiler: and even when he died Ikitsuki was still calling most of the shots]]. So, who's to say that a test subject with an artificial Persona didn't escape...?

Like [[VideoGame/Persona5 Morgana]], Teddie was created to guide the protagonist and his teammates, but he lost his memory of his creation, as seems to be the norm. Also, just like Morgana, Teddie has an interest in humanity and becoming human, likely programmed into him by Igor to ensure he would help the group of persona users who would end up [[spoiler: being 'players' in Izanami's 'game']]. [[spoiler: Izanami]] tried to stop Igor's plan by having Ameno-Sagiri hijack Shadow Teddie to keep Teddie from unlocking the powers granted to him by Igor. Teddie is clearly connected to the Velvet Room, appearing their after giving in to despair when [[spoiler: Nanako seemingly dies]]. Igor created Teddie as an embodiment of the virtue most important to and needed by the Investigation Team: truth.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Nanako]] was the true culprit all along.]]

Maybe [[spoiler:Adachi]] realized they were the real culprit and tried to stop them themselves, only to get beaten by the party.
[[spoiler: You couldn't quit while you were ahead, could you, big bro?]]

[[WMG: The delivery truck [[spoiler:Namatame]] used is the same one you see at the gas station]]

** Practically confirmed: In the scene where the investigation team identifies [[spoiler: Namatame]] as a suspect, Adachi says and I quote "If it's a local company, it'd be the same delivery man every time, so he's not a stranger to Nanako." In other words, Inaba's local delivery company only uses one delivery man and therefore only needs one truck.

** There's one hole in this theory: Teddie pretty much implies that he has been in the other world since the beginning of it's existence.(When talking about that world during your first meeting with him, he says "it's always been like this" and when the true form of the other world appears after [[spoiler: Izanami]]'s defeat, he says "A long time ago, this world used to look like this.") Since the other world reflects the collective minds of humanity, one would presume that it has existed for a long time...certainly longer than the Main Character has been alive. After all, humanity has been around for a long time. If that were the case, then it would be impossible for Teddie to be the Main Character's shadow, since he predates the Main Character.

*** Wait....didn't [[spoiler:Adachi]] make a bunch of nihiistic remarks during the time you fought him. Now, compare it to Shadow Teddie's dialogue....could Teddie be [[spoiler:Adachi]]'s Shadow?

There has been precedence: [[spoiler:Metis]] from Persona 3 FES. The Main Character perhaps wished that he were more grown up, making his own arrangements to remain in Japan rather than let his parents take him wherever they were going. The initiative and responsibility required that he deny his childishness as a thing of the past.

Think about it. The entire thing, even [[spoiler: Izanami]]'s very existence, and the MC being in Inaba at all... EVERYTHING happened because Teddie willed it so. Because he was hella [[spoiler: lonely]]. To take it further; In Christianity, God created people to love him. Think about it. Teddie is just God in a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot space-monkey-bear-suit.]] He created humanity to love him from the very beginning. [[spoiler: Izanami]] might seem to disprove this, being something Teddie would be against, but... remember, God lets bad things happen too. In fact, [[spoiler: Izanami]] is actually a device to pull people to him and his "heaven"... Are you mind-fucked yet?

* Also if the midnight channel shows [[spoiler:whatever the public is thinking about]] and the shadows appear on it, how does that work? The only way I can think of is that each shadow is what [[spoiler:''others'' think of them]] (possible exceptions are Yosuke's Chie's and Teddie's, [[spoiler:As they never appeared on it]].)

The Shadows say "I am a Shadow, THE TRUE SELF" and turn into huge monsters when their host denies them. However, accepting their statement of "THE TRUE SELF" would imply the person in question believes that only THEIR WORSE INSECURITIES AND TRAITS are the "real" self. If one tells the shadow "Yes, you are" they would most likely get their persona but they would loose the rest of their personality to the traits the Shadow embodied. This comes with another theory, spoilers ahead;

[[spoiler: Adachi's persona summoning being red-black colored light is not just a sign of him being the evil big bad behind the murders, he accepted that he truly is a misogynistic sadist asshole, given in to his worse half. Given that WordOfGod states the blue butterflies are Philemon's influence the Red-black light would have to be Nyarlthotep under this theory. Given the nature of the red-black light Persona users, he is STILL trying to get humanity onto a path that leads to their extinction. The war between Philemon and Nyarlthotep may not be out in the open any more, but has not ended.]]
* Forgot a very important element to this theory, [[spoiler: Adachi was given a persona by Izananmi without his knowledge. Whatever it was, it seems unlikely that it started out as "Magatsu-Izanagi". So either Adachi leveled grinded and his persona evolved, or he has access to The Velvet Room(or maybe a villainous version of it.)]] It also kind of blows the above theory out of the water, as one cannot cast a Shadow while own still retains the ability to call forth a Persona. Still think it is an interesting concept that should be addressed if Persona game continue to fight Shadows(though indications for P5 should either fighting demons or wandering personae)

* There's another bit to consider about his appearance in the real world: ''the fact that he can do so at all''. The only time the overwhelming majority of Shadows can leave the "Abyss" is due to some kind of dimensional event like the Dark Hour or the December NonstandardGameover [[spoiler: in which Izanami's plan is pulled off and the fog grows thick enough to allow Shadows to manifest in the real world]]; otherwise, they're stuck on the other side. We've only ever seen two other "Shadow" beings who can manifest in the "regular" world, those being [[spoiler:Ryoji "Nyx Avatar" Mochizuki]] and [[spoiler: Izanami as a Gas Station Attendant]], and even then the latter [[spoiler: seems to have a restriction in which she can only manifest during rain or fog]]. That is to say, the only two other beings who can manifest in the real world [[spoiler: ''are [[GoMadFromTheRevelation skull-crackingly]], unthinkably powerful'' '''''[[EldritchAbomination death gods]]''''']]. This would seem to suggest that Teddie is ''quite a bit'' more powerful than he really lets on, since he can casually live in the real world with ''even less restriction'' than the other two...

* We'll have to wait for Persona 5 to see if any of this [[IncrediblyLamePun bears out]], but there is definitely ''something'' up with Teddie and we likely have not seen the last of him.
* In ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney'', Lucifer shows up as [[spoiler:a young woman]]. Teddie is known for cross-dressing.
** In a [[spoiler:blue dress]], no less.
*** In fact, [[spoiler:Lucifer shows up looking exactly like ''Alice'' from [=SMT1=], which is the exact same thing Teddie cosplayed as. The two look '''''startlingly''''' alike, even with the differences in art style.]]

He makes comments about how he has been around for a long time, knows stuff about the TV world that hints a long lonely life before the protagonists show up. In the ending, [[spoiler: He states the GhibliHills version of the TV world was how it used to be long ago.]]. Why does he start out so weak/was weak for a long time before the events of the game? Because despite wanting to be loved, [[HumansAreBastards humans kinda bastards throughout history]] and spent more time hurting each other than loving. Once he HAS friends, he tanks an attack that would have outright annihilated his new friends, awakens a power strong enough to taken down an outright invincible foe, and manages to manifest himself in the real world(and Velvet Room, thought that might not be quite so special). Something that, as pointed out in the above theory, is an ability reserved only for the terrifyingly powerful [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]]. Another thing pointed out in the above theory, he is the Star Arcana social link, representing a hope for the future. This leads to another idea, Teddie is EXACTLY what Aigis and Elizabeth need to "change human nature" so that the P3 protagonistic can be free.

* This Troper thought this was absolutely given- Evokers are a psychological crutch given to the characters to give them a 'weakness' [[spoiler: Ikutsuki seems to lack a persona, and surely doesn't know a way to restrain a persona that can be summoned free-handed, so this would keep SEES in check for the eventual takeover (assuming Aigis fails, of course, and a good planner never assumes victory.). The same applies to the Strega members who do use them, Surely those not with the voice of god could never do what he could. Its all an illusion they never thought to break- Except for the Main, But we know how THAT ends. Also reinforced by the fact YourMindMakesItReal ]].

** This troper had assumed that the evoker usage and the shadow facing were parallel with the entities responsible for the shadow worlds getting riled up. When [[spoiler:A god of death, with a shadow time in which most people are sealed in coffins]] is responsible, then facing [[spoiler:their fears of death by pulling the trigger of an apparent gun]] is the way to bring their personas into being. When [[spoiler:A goddess of death who believes that mankind will be happier if they embrace the delusions they so often follow]] is responsible, then facing [[spoiler:shadows who imitate the secret thoughts and motivations behind the superficial rationales]] is the way.

* [[spoiler: This explains why even Izanami is surprised that the main Character got the Wild Card ability. She only meant to give him a Persona. So the Wild card ability is Genetic? Maybe a Bloodline?]]

She stated that her parents died in a car "accident", just like P3's protagonist's parent had. What happened then in Persona 3? [[spoiler:Because Aigis had sealed Death inside of the young boy, she took him to the Kirijo group, but her system shut down before she could explain much. Without knowing what to do with the kid, the Kirijo Group gave him up to adoption, or put him under governmental care (thus explaining why he seems self-sufficient on his own),]] and eventually he is brought him back to that city where the incident happened.

Naoto probably believes or was told that her older brother died in the "accident" as well. It's worth noting that the dates do work for this: Naoto is 15 at the start of the game (April 2011), which would make her approximately three years old during the events that set off Persona 3. This'd even explain why she wasn't [[spoiler: in the car with her family when the battle with Thanatos occured; she was sufficiently young that she was probably left with Grandpa Kuzunoha while the rest of the Shirogane family went out for that evening. She may even have been left with Grandpa while her parents went to ''investigate'' the explosion at the Kirijo lab, although that doesn't really explain why they'd take the [=P3=] Protagonist, who was himself only seven]].

** And of course, [[spoiler: given the [[CrystalDragonJesus current]] [[HeroicSacrifice state]] of [[MessianicArchetype Minato]], the relationship between the two names suggests terrifying and ''awesome'' possibilities for the future.]]

* Tying in to certain ideas above, there's another very good reason that Naoto wouldn't know that her brother [[spoiler: has basically become the savior of humanity: Minato Shirogane ''was'' able to choke out his name to the stunned Kijiro scientists after Aigis brought him back. They managed to get in touch with his grandfather, who upon hearing their story in full promptly ''shit a brick'' as he understood ''exactly'' what was lurking inside his grandson's body (being, you know, a Kuzunoha). Here he made a hard choice: he ''allowed'' his grandson to be given up for adoption and to tell Naoto that her brother was dead, so that she too wouldn't get sucked into the vortex of what would inevitably occur. In a case of YouCantFightFate, though, she has ended up entangled in the same overall mess that her brother was forced into a decade ago - and may well be on the path to discovering what happened to him and what has happened to the "Abyss", not to mention truly inheriting the "family business" of being a Kuzunoha. (Mind that in the ending, she states outright that she'll keep investigating Ame-no-Sagiri and Izanami, and the entire cast points out that ''the TV portals still work''. The story isn't nearly done, yet...)]]
** This bit is even (thinly) supported by Naoto's own Social Link; [[spoiler: the Shirogane family butler has ''obviously'' been keeping an eye on not only her but the entire group, and by the October timeframe that the Link is available Grandpa Kuzunoha probably has a pretty good idea of what's ''really'' happening in Inaba and what his grandchild has become a part of, despite his attempts at preventing it; as a result, he sets up a series of challenges to remind her that searching for the truth is her greatest passion and to follow it; that is, to investigate the trail of Shadows all the way to Kirijo and her brother's ultimate fate.]]

* This theory has had a small hole poked in it by ''Persona 3 Portable'', which states [[spoiler:that the (male) protagonist lived with "relatives" after the auto accident. This makes it a little harder to explain why Naoto wouldn't know of the [=P3Protagonist=] at all, although this assumes that Naoto is unaware her brother is alive at all after 1999 - she could simply know that he died a year ago (as of the start of [=P4=]) without knowing the details of what happened. Naoto doesn't mention her brother's recent death in-game because, well, [[TheStoic it isn't relevant to the current situation]].]]

Without it, the PC would be stuck with Izanagi, a Persona that doesn't learn a skill past level 5. [[spoiler:Adachi]] was also granted a Persona by [[spoiler:Izanami]], and he is the king of pushover bosses ([[spoiler:Namatame]]'s battle is against a shadow, not his Persona), lessening the chance it is mearly be a gameplay quirk

Everyone is concerned that the Shadows will kill the victim in a few weaes, but never about the fact that would starve/dehydrate in less time. It is revealed near the end [[spoiler:the Midnight Channel shows what the audience wants to see]], so why not apply this to the TV world proper as well? As for Yosuke the first time, it was either due to being a preexisting condition, or because it makes exceptions for RuleOfFunny.

* Hardly, [[spoiler:by the end of the game, someone comments "he admits to have hung the people on the...". He admitted to the murders, but not the way he did so. Surely, he's kinda crazy, but not that stupid. In the True Ending, he even gets to deliver a letter to the Main Character from jail, which confirms he's not in an asylum]]

Note the much higher rate of unique hair colors compared to VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} (MC [[spoiler:who has death sealed inside him]], Akihiko and maybe Fuuka, plus that random guy with the assault record Odagiri threatens who gets cloned in 4 from what I recall). In Persona 4 ratio is inverted, Rise and Yukiko (possibly Kanji, who explicitly bleachs his hair) are the only ones with real hair colors in the party.

*** Sometimes this troper wonders if she's the only one who grew up with a 'Yosuke'. There are guys out there who will poke fun at their friends, feel uncomfortable about homosexuality and act like jerks, but they can also be the most dependable person in your life who will stand by your side when things get tough. There's a saying that goes "teasing is a sign of affection", so Yosuke must genuinely care for all his friends, and he has shown it: he gave Teddie a place to live, he invited Nanako to Junes, he gave Kanji some money for popsicles, he withstood Chie's tantrums and bought her lunch twice, he fought alongside the protagonist since the beginning, and he was really upset about [[spoiler:Nanako's "death". Speaking of that event, weren't Naoto and Kanji also urging for Namatame's death? I remember Naoto was the first to suggest it:]]

My theory hinges on two main factors: [[spoiler:Adachi]] had more reason to be Hope than the MC, and that the murder of [[spoiler:Morooka]] could only have been commited by someone who had entered the TV. To explain the latter, you must take one thing into consideration: [[spoiler:Mitsuo]] lacked the physical strength to club, drag and hang [[spoiler:Morooka]]. He might have had enough power to throw [[spoiler:Morooka]] into the TV, presumably with some amount of existing force, but definetely not homicide of this degree. [[spoiler:Mitsuo]] threw the victim into the television set, then fled using his powers.

One will most likely be asking who fills what position. Clearly, [[spoiler:Namatame]] was despair. [[spoiler:Mitsuo]] was emptiness, judging by [[spoiler:his Shadow's dialogue and the dungeon]]. [[spoiler:Adachi]] fits best as hope; even though he, in his words, was "bored shitless", he states directly after that he was "wondering what to do". [[spoiler:Adachi]] wanted something to do, still possessed ''hope'' for his time in Inaba. So where does this leave the MC?

By the time he arrived in Inaba, none of [[spoiler:Izanami]]'s puppets had attempted to use their powers. Rather, they remained completely unaware. [[spoiler:Izanami]] starts to become frustrated and hands some powers to the MC, who in turn is noticed by Philemon/Igor and is granted the Wild Card. [[spoiler:Adachi]] ''then'' learns he has powers and starts putting them to good use.
* [[spoiler: Mitsuo really did kill Moroka without using the TV despite how odd it seems that he could physically pull it off. But it's confirmed when confronting Adachi later on. Mitsuo had no power, he killed Moron the old fashioned way and Adachi threw him into the TV to keep the game going on. Mitsuo wasn't approached by Izanami at all. Which makes sense, as she only gave the power to newcomers of Inaba while Mitsuo apparantly lived there quite a while.]]

** The above at least is Jossed by ''Golden'': the fog did not lift, but [[spoiler: the vessel storing the fog is Marie.]]

* Note that Pandora never actually hands over the Core of DEVA, instead manipulating it herself for her own means. 'Ideal Maki' also expresses affection for the protagonist, who loved(?) her despite her flaws. This accounts for the correlation between SMT and the Izanami-Izanagi deal. Instead of returning the world to normal, the DEVA system actually splits off the world of SMT into several distinct (and some preposterous) timelines, which loop on themselves and each other, splitting off and returning. This accounts for all possible choices, results, and endings the game can have. The reincarnating goddess is Maki's Shadow, and Izanami and Nyx are her avatars created by mental states. Every possible idea she could conceive is made real (like Dancing all Night, for example). The world is literally her plaything, and the protagonists are the keys to playing in it. [[spoiler: Shinji survives in one timeline because Maki's Shadow wanted him to in order to be the protagonist's love interest in one playthrough.]] All of the story modes of Persona 4 Arena actually happened, albeit in different ways.

** And now for the Blazblue connection. What, exactly, has this LouisCypher wannabe Hazama being been doing? [[spoiler: Working for Izanami, who is one of Pandora's avatars.]] Apparently someone really wants the timeline loopings (which are a recurring theme in Blazblue) to stop. It makes sense- Where are all these plot devices and unlikely backstories coming from? They were created by Pandora.

The real reason he [[spoiler:snapped when talking to Mayumi]] is because he saw her in the TV and [[spoiler:he became enraged (with more than a little help from his rampant misogyny) that the woman who was supposed to be his soul mate had been having an affair with a married man.]]

*** Basically, Dojima seems to at least remember the explanation that the MC tried to give him on the day [[spoiler:Nanako]] was kidnapped. It's fairly obvious that he still doesn't fully believe it, though.

* Nanako is Izanami. They have the same voice talent! And the MC might've [[spoiler:gotten his spark of Persona when he shook hands with the gas station goddess]] but only got that headache when he saw that Nanako was staring at him.

* The iconic blue butterfly [[spoiler:Philemon]] does appear more frequently in Persona 4 than Persona 3...

The reason it changes is he changes the music to fit the mood. Plays "I'll Face Myself" to match the seriousness when they get in to the boss fights, "Reach out to the Truth" to get pumped up for battle, and so on. [[spoiler: But "Never More" in on the MC's that is off-camera that he listens to on the train away.]] Any other tracks are because [[AWizardDidIt Philemon Did It]] to set the mood. Everyone assumes it's just Youske's loud headphones again and pay it no mind, and Youske just thinks his iPod is broken.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Mitsuo Kubo]] will return as a minor antagonist in Persona 5.]]
He's the only villain that you don't fight directly at some point, and we don't know what happened to him beyond the fact that he was [[spoiler: prosecuted for murder]]. If he appears at all, I bet he's either going to be a Social Link (unlikely, given how unrepentant he is) or a member of the QuirkyMinibossSquad.
* Alternatively, [[spoiler:Mitsuo]] will face his shadow again, but this time, he's finally able to accept his shadow, get his own persona, and become a party member. [[RedemptionQuest His character arc might be to redeem himself.]]

* Um... considering what happened in [[spoiler: Persona 4 Arena's True End with the Malevolent Entity, who many believe to be Nyarlathotep, and what he says]], this WMG might be more accurate than initially suspected.

* sorry to bust this theory, but Nyx doesn't want to end humanity. [[spoiler: Ryoji says as much in P3]] Playing P3: FES on The Answer storyline reveals it is Erebus, a being formed of humanity's despair and suicidal urges, is calling Nyx to Earth. Minato's sacrifice was basically using himself as a barrier between Nyx and Erebus. The P3 party members learn that they COULD save Minato, but that would just restart The Fall as Erebus still exists. Elizabeth(and/or Theodore, didn't play the PSP version) left the Velvet Room so that they could figure out a way to save Minato WITHOUT causing the end of humanity.

Blink and you'll miss it. At the beginning of Mitsuo's boss battle, his Shadow says "I am a Shadow. Come.. I'll end your emptyness." HOWEVER -- he never says ''"[I am] the true self"''! It seems very strange that this was left out, particularly considering that Mitsuo is the [[spoiler: fake]] final boss. Perhaps, [[spoiler: like Nanako]], Mitsuo's ego was not developed enough for him to create an actual Shadow. The Shadow that appears to him was probably created by [[spoiler: Adachi]] to make the Inaba Scoobies more convinced of his guilt. Hey, he did make a Shadow for [[spoiler: Teddie]] after all..

(major spoiler warning for Madoka Magica if you haven't finished/seen it yet)
Witches in the Madokaverse are essentially [[spoiler:the souls of despairing Magical Girls,]] so perhaps Kyubey's race discovered the existence of Shadows and [[spoiler:used them as part of their plans to harvest energy from human emotions]]?

* She and Metis have a striking resemblance down to the bangs on the side of the head, plus since [[spoiler: Aigis became human, and Metis stated that her heart was connected to the "sea of the soul" or whatever]], she was able to be reborn with her psyche in another human body

Wikipedia has largely become a regulated stopover on the way to more "valid" research. It struggles to feel accepted academically while still suffering the derision of teachers everywhere. Wikipedia struggles to be accepted through strict regulation and cold hard facts; a far cry from the more lax, RuleOfFun oriented TV Tropes. Wikipedia, in an effort to stamp out its more trivial side, inadvertently gave birth to TV Tropes as its Shadow self. It cannot bear to reconcile knowledge with fun and so it cannot bring itself to face TV Tropes. But TV Tropes is Wikipedia. And Wiki/TheOtherWiki is TV Tropes...

[[WMG: TV Tropes is the Shadow of Wiki/TheOtherWiki.]]

[[WMG: Teddie was created by Igor]]
Like [[VideoGame/Persona5 Morgana]], Teddie was created to guide the protagonist and his teammates, but he lost his memory of his creation, as seems to be the norm. Izanami tried to stop Igor's plan by having Ameno-Sagiri hijack Shadow Teddie to keep Teddie from unlocking the powers granted to him by Igor. Teddie is clearly connected to the Velvet Room, appearing their after giving in to despair when [[spoiler: Nanako seemingly dies]]. After Shinjiro ended up dead and Minato effectively died by going into an indefinite sleep, Igor saw how much the power of evildoers was escalating and enacted a contingency plan of sorts: Create animal-like constructs, symbols of hope and perserverance who can wield Personas to aid future teams of persona users so that none of them have to die anymore.

[[WMG: The Shrine Fox is an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inari_%C5%8Ckami Inari]] {{Kitsune}}]]

[[WMG: Yukiko is the secret lovechild of [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Kaguya and Mokou.]]]]

* The game will feature mopeds as a form of transportation, ala VideoGame/{{Bully}}, (Whether this will open up travel to areas outside Inaba is still unknown). For reasons currently unexplained, [[CrazyAwesome the party can bring]] [[CarFu these to Midnight Channel investigations as well.]]