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** Jossed in the novel. Cosette's biological father's name was Félix Tholomyés. But the musical leaves it open to interpretation...
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** Jossed in the novel. Cosette's biological father's name was Félix Tholomyés. But the musical leaves it open to interpretation...interpretation...
[[WMG: Towards the end, Jean Valjean has some mental illness that causes him to sabotage himself to be unhappy.]]
Its symptoms start when he reads Cosette's letter to Marius (in the novel) and decides to go to the barricade instead of leaving the country. Then, he risks his own life to save Marius despite hating him. While these things can be explained by his good nature and don't have to mean anything yet, what happens later is truly puzzling. He tells Marius of his past (only the bad things and in such a way that leaves him free to imagine Valjean having committed much more serious crimes than stealing bread) and then doesn't protest or clarify anything when Marius keeps him from visiting Cosette. This ultimately leads to his death. He could have just made up an excuse as to why he could not live with or meet Cosette and Marius often and then come and see Cosette from time to time and everyone would have been happy.
[[WMG: Towards the end, Jean Valjean has some mental illness that causes him to sabotage himself to be unhappy.]]
Its symptoms start when he reads Cosette's letter to Marius (in the novel) and decides to go to the barricade instead of leaving the country. Then, he risks his own life to save Marius despite hating him. While these things can be explained by his good nature and don't have to mean anything yet, what happens later is truly puzzling. He tells Marius of his past (only the bad things and in such a way that leaves him free to imagine Valjean having committed much more serious crimes than stealing bread) and then doesn't protest or clarify anything when Marius keeps him from visiting Cosette. This ultimately leads to his death. He could have just made up an excuse as to why he could not live with or meet Cosette and Marius often and then come and see Cosette from time to time and everyone would have been happy.
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* Valjean’s name pretty much confirms that this was Hugo’s intention. Jean is an extremely common name (just as John is in Anglophone countries), and “val” suggests “is worth.” Put together, his name means “John is worth John” - the ultimate Everyman name.
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* Valjean’s name pretty much confirms that this was Hugo’s intention. Jean is an extremely common name in French-speaking countries (just as John is in Anglophone countries), and “val” suggests “is worth.” Put together, his name means “John is worth John” - the ultimate Everyman name.
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* Valjean’s name pretty much confirms that this was Hugo’s intention. Jean is an extremely common name (just as John is in Anglophone countries), and “Val” roughly suggests “is worth.” Put together, his name means “John is worth John” - the ultimate Everyman name.
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* Valjean’s name pretty much confirms that this was Hugo’s intention. Jean is an extremely common name (just as John is in Anglophone countries), and “Val” roughly “val” suggests “is worth.” Put together, his name means “John is worth John” - the ultimate Everyman name.
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* Valjean’s name pretty much confirms that this was Hugo’s intention. Jean is an extremely common name (just as John is in Anglophone countries), and “Valjean” roughly suggests “is worth John.” Put together, his name means “John is worth John” - the ultimate Everyman name.
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* Valjean’s name pretty much confirms that this was Hugo’s intention. Jean is an extremely common name (just as John is in Anglophone countries), and “Valjean” “Val” roughly suggests “is worth John.worth.” Put together, his name means “John is worth John” - the ultimate Everyman name.
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* Valjean’s name pretty much confirms that this was Hugo’s intention. Jean is an extremely common name (just as John is in Anglophone countries), and “Valjean” roughly suggests “is worth John.” Put together, his name means “John is worth John” - the ultimate Everyman name.
** Two other names Hugo considered using were Jean Tréjean (“John Veryjohn”), and Jean Vlajean (“Vlajean” suggesting “Voilà Jean” - so the name would mean “John Here’sjohn”).
** Two other names Hugo considered using were Jean Tréjean (“John Veryjohn”), and Jean Vlajean (“Vlajean” suggesting “Voilà Jean” - so the name would mean “John Here’sjohn”).
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[[WMG: Valjean’s nephew (the one he stole the bread for) is the in-universe author of the novel, and is the one who wrote the epitaph on his grave.]]
* Book canon confirms that the nephew is alive and living with his mother at least during the fourth year of Valjean’s imprisonment. What if, upon growing up, the nephew went to find out what happened to his uncle, and after discovering the grave, in the end decided the best way to honour him would be to write the Brick?
* Book canon confirms that the nephew is alive and living with his mother at least during the fourth year of Valjean’s imprisonment. What if, upon growing up, the nephew went to find out what happened to his uncle, and after discovering the grave, in the end decided the best way to honour him would be to write the Brick?
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** Jossed in the novel. Champmathieu, the falsely accused Valjean, is arrested in a different town, and Javert has nothing to do with it, he only hears about it.
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Unlikely, but would be really cool and would add a lot of depth within the story.
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Unlikely, but would be really cool and would add a lot of depth within the story.story.
** Jossed in the novel. Cosette's biological father's name was Félix Tholomyés. But the musical leaves it open to interpretation...
** Jossed in the novel. Cosette's biological father's name was Félix Tholomyés. But the musical leaves it open to interpretation...
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** Coming back to this, it may be nonsense. Did Javert’s police arrest the fake Valjean or did he just hear about it happening somewhere else?
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** Coming back to this, it may be nonsense. Did Javert’s police arrest the fake Valjean or did he just hear about it happening somewhere else?else?
[[WMG: Javert is Cosette’s biological father.]]
Unlikely, but would be really cool and would add a lot of depth within the story.
[[WMG: Javert is Cosette’s biological father.]]
Unlikely, but would be really cool and would add a lot of depth within the story.
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It’s meant to be a fairly small town, what are the chances they found somebody they thought was Jean Valjean in the same hole that the real one was hiding in? Javert saw the mayor and recognised him immediately, but also knew the townspeople wouldn’t take kindly to somebody accusing their mayor and knew he had to engineer a confession.
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It’s meant to be a fairly small town, what are the chances they found somebody they thought was Jean Valjean in the same hole that the real one was hiding in? Javert saw the mayor and recognised him immediately, but also knew the townspeople wouldn’t take kindly to somebody accusing their mayor and knew he had to engineer a confession.confession.
** Coming back to this, it may be nonsense. Did Javert’s police arrest the fake Valjean or did he just hear about it happening somewhere else?
** Coming back to this, it may be nonsense. Did Javert’s police arrest the fake Valjean or did he just hear about it happening somewhere else?
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[[WMG: The falsely accused ‘Valjean’ was a [[BatmanGambit Batman gambit]] by Javert.]]
It’s meant to be a fairly small town, what are the chances they found somebody they thought was Jean Valjean in the same hole that the real one was hiding in? Javert saw the mayor and recognised him immediately, but also knew the townspeople wouldn’t take kindly to somebody accusing their mayor and knew he had to engineer a confession.
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She's been in love with Marius for a ''long'' time, and knows it could never be. This makes her experience with the disease incredibly hard, and she knows she's going to die. This is why she sings of flowers in "A Little Fall Of Rain".
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She's been in love with Marius for a ''long'' time, and knows it could never be. This makes her experience with the disease incredibly hard, and hard. "On My Own" is her accepting the fact that she knows she's is going to die.die. So she goes to the barricades (where she ''knows'' she won't survive) instead of having to suffocate to death. This is why she sings of flowers in "A Little Fall Of Rain".
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[[WMG: Eponine suffers from Hanahaki's Disease.]]
She's been in love with Marius for a ''long'' time, and knows it could never be. This makes her experience with the disease incredibly hard, and she knows she's going to die. This is why she sings of flowers in "A Little Fall Of Rain".
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[[WMG: Eponine can't sing]]
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[[WMG: Eponine Éponine can't sing]]
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[[WMG: Éponine has tuberculosis.]]
We learn that when the Thénardiers lied that Cosette had miliary fever as a child, it was actually Éponine and Azelma who had it. "Miliary fever" could refer to a number of diseases, but most often to a form of TB. As a teenager, Éponine's voice is raspy, which Hugo attributes to alcohol but could also be partly caused by the illness, and during her speech defending the Rue Plumet house from her father and the gang, she has a brief coughing fit and her breath "wheezed from her sickly chest like a death rattle." Hugo may have implied this to draw a subtle parallel between Éponine and the book's other tragic female, Fantine, who dies of TB. Besides her unrequited love and the misery of her life in general, part of the reason why she chooses death at the barricade might be that she knows she's going to die soon anyway and would rather die quickly by bullet than slowly by the disease.
[[WMG: Marius has Asperger's Syndrome.]]
He's an introvert. He's socially awkward. He's a deep and intelligent thinker, but he can be all too clueless and InnocentlyInsensitive to others (e.g. Éponine). He tends to be cold and rude when he's upset, and under strong emotional stress his thoughts are sometimes completely irrational (e.g. spending three days angry with Cosette because a man might have seen her ankle when the wind lifted her skirt, or assuming she must not love him and must want him to die after she seemingly leaves for England with no farewell). Of course much of this stems from his dysfunctional upbringing by his grandfather, but it also feels valid to suspect that he's neuroatypical.
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Javert was pretty quick to figure out how ValJean escaped and knew exactly where he would come out. Javert is crazy prepared and likely had planned on escaping through the sewers before the first attack if he wasn't able to convince the revolutionaries to send him out again to "scout" and no easier escape routs presented themselves. In the first attack the soldiers only fired a single volley from far away and then advanced to fight hand to hand because they didn't know if Javert had escaped yet, which is also why the only one to get shot was a petite female who clearly did not match his description. Since he wasn't spotted among the revolutionaries before they were forced to retreat, the French commanders assumed that Javert had either escaped into the sewers or been discovered and captured by the revolutionaries, allowing subsequent attacks to be more intense.
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Javert was pretty quick to figure out how ValJean Valjean escaped and knew exactly where he would come out. Javert is crazy prepared and likely had planned on escaping through the sewers before the first attack if he wasn't able to convince the revolutionaries to send him out again to "scout" and no easier escape routs presented themselves. In the first attack the soldiers only fired a single volley from far away and then advanced to fight hand to hand because they didn't know if Javert had escaped yet, which is also why the only one to get shot was a petite female who clearly did not match his description. Since he wasn't spotted among the revolutionaries before they were forced to retreat, the French commanders assumed that Javert had either escaped into the sewers or been discovered and captured by the revolutionaries, allowing subsequent attacks to be more intense.
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* There already is! It’s a telenovela set in the modern day, and the Valjean figure is a woman so as to have a romantic subplot with the Javert figure. Google “Les Mis telenovela” if you don’t believe me
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** Intriguing. They definitely have personality similarities: unforgiving, resilient, doesn't take well to having their lives saved, slightly sadistic, icy on the outside but emotional on the inside, and they even have similar canon complexions. Only hitch (but it's a big one) is that Javert (apparently) dies a virgin.
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** Intriguing. They definitely have personality similarities: unforgiving, resilient, doesn't take well to having their lives saved, slightly sadistic, icy on the outside but emotional on the inside, and they even have similar canon complexions.colorings (dark hair, tawny skin, and bright eyes.). Only hitch (but it's a big one) is that Javert (apparently) dies a virgin.
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[[WMG: Javert is an EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette.]]
I know that {{Fanon}} has his complexion being black hair and tanned skin because he's probably part Romani, but I think it would be [[RuleOfSymbolism a nice symbolic flourish]] to have him have very pale skin and black-black hair as a physical manifestation of his BlackAndWhiteInsanity. With GreyEyes too... Type two seems to be a pretty good description of his personality. Determined, strong-willed, cold, and unapproachable with an "ideas-over-people" mindset? Sounds like him.
I know that {{Fanon}} has his complexion being black hair and tanned skin because he's probably part Romani, but I think it would be [[RuleOfSymbolism a nice symbolic flourish]] to have him have very pale skin and black-black hair as a physical manifestation of his BlackAndWhiteInsanity. With GreyEyes too... Type two seems to be a pretty good description of his personality. Determined, strong-willed, cold, and unapproachable with an "ideas-over-people" mindset? Sounds like him.
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I know that {{Fanon}} has his complexion being black hair and tanned skin because he's probably part Romani, but I think it would be [[RuleOfSymbolism a nice symbolic flourish]] to have him have very pale skin and black-black hair as a physical manifestation of his BlackAndWhiteInsanity. With GreyEyes too... Type two seems to be a pretty good description of his personality. Determined, strong-willed, cold, and unapproachable with an "ideas-over-people" mindset? Sounds like him.
