History WMG / HowToTrainYourDragon

* There's also a case for suspecting that Tuffnut is an ancestor of ''WesternAnimation/BigHero6''`s Fred. Aside from the identical voices, the seemingly-below-average IQs (compared to their respective communities) and the general physical resemblance the beginning of the movie sees Fred dressing in a costume that bears an eerie resemblance to Barf/Belch.

Even if that's been done before in WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}, it would seem likely. But it'll be a lot scarier this time around.

[[WMG: Dragon from WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}} will cameo in the sequel.]]

There are many similarities one can draw from how a colony of dragons, and a [[RealLife colony of bees]] operate. Seadragonus Giganticus Maximus dragons being [[GeniusBruiser the largest most intelligent]], are the "queens" of dragons, who [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking parasitically force other smaller species of dragons]] to become their "workers" and "drones" in a hive collective. Once the resources start to diminish and the season changes, the current queen will lay many young queens. The mother and about half her workers fly off to start a new colony. The first young queen to emerge kills her sister queens in their eggs and [[RoyallyScrewedUp becomes the new mother queen]]. There can be no rivals. [[TheCaligula The Red Death accomplished this]] and [[TyrantTakesTheHelm became the new queen]], but overlooked one single egg, ''[[GenocideBackfire Toothless' egg]]''. Being the last laid, Toothless hatched out much later, and living off scraps, stays well out of her sister's sight, lest she be devoured, and constantly follows what she naturally sees to be ''her workers'' in the raiding parties, helping them, [[TheWrongfulHeirToTheThrone in an attempt to try and get them to abandon their false queen and obey her instead]].

[[WMG: The plot from Creator/DreamWorks' film is a prequel to the first in the original book series.]]

Given that many reviews praised the film's darker tone (relative to other Dreamworks films anyway) as well as its action scenes and maturity, Dreamwork will push these elements further in the sequels, especially given the good old 'Dark second chapter' staple. Most likely it will be a heavy PG (think Dick Tracy, Prince Caspian and Tron Legacy) with nothing particularly explicit but an increased level of violence (eg, implied stabbings, very mild moments of bloodshed) innuendo and mild curses (the film did throw the word Hell around a bit, so the odd 'Damn' or 'Crap' wouldn't seem so unlikely). While they may just be bold enough to risk a PG-13, knowing that this is the same studio that brought us the... Will Smith fish... it doesn't seem likely they'd take such a big risk.
** I think they regret WesternAnimation/SharkTale, and their movies ''have'' been getting darker in recent years. I'm willing to bet "Hard PG" on the sequel.

[[WMG:''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'', ''{{WesternAnimation/Tangled}}'', ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'' and ''WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians'' all take place in the same universe.]]

Sadly this seems a very likely scenario with how the book series started "There were dragons when I was a boy...", and Dreamworks did state somewhere (don't remember where now) that they thought of following a similar plotline and end the franchise on a bittersweet note. What's more, there was a leaked page somewhere listing some of the titles of the third film's soundtracks, and what's the name of the last one?

He straight-up ''knows for a fact'' that there are no Night Furies left anywhere, and has accepted it. Perhaps he himself was a child of THE last surviving Night Furies (who made this status known to him), until they, too, were exterminated by the forces that drove those powerful dragons to extinction. He manages to escape to the islands around Berk as the LoneSurvivor, living as a refugee; eventually he would become the Red Death's unofficial "soldier" (as suggested in an above WMG), helping the other dragons live to steal food by destroying the vikings' catapults and such structures as demonstrated in the first movie. At this point, he hates humans for their actions on his species and destroys their belongings not just for work or personal pleasure, but revenge. After bonding with Hiccup, however, he discovers that not all humans were as evil as he once thought them to be, and so the events of the movie came to pass. At the end he completely accepts the fact that the Night Furies are no more and grows to treasure his friendship with Hiccup more than anything, as that boy is virtually all he has left in this world.

Toothless is midnight black, nocturnal, and uses typical [[FighterMageThief Rogue]] [[CombatPragmatist tactics]]. Also, he is a dragon, which is a well known demonic shape. He leads a rebellion of other dragons agaist their master.\\

* There's also a case for suspecting that Tuffnut is an ancestor of ''Disney/BigHero6''`s Fred. Aside from the identical voices, the seemingly-below-average IQs (compared to their respective communities) and the general physical resemblance the beginning of the movie sees Fred dressing in a costume that bears an eerie resemblance to Barf/Belch.

* Well, considering how the directors of Disney/LiloAndStitch also directed ''this'' movie...

[[WMG:''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'', ''{{Disney/Tangled}}'', ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'' and ''WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians'' all take place in the same universe.]]

When it comes to dog domestication, the most popular theory is that wolves already started evolving into dogs even before humans started to actively keep them around. Humans would make their camps and after a kill, would throw out leftover bones and meat and parts they didn't like to eat. Wolves that had less natural fear of humans were able to do well by following and hanging around human camps and groups, and eventually evolved into "proto-dogs" with behavior and some features distinct from the rest of the wolves. Domestication followed from there once humans and wolves got the courage to get close to each other and work together.

A similar thing happened in Berk. It was shown that the [[spoiler: Red Death ate any dragon that couldn't bring it enough food]]. But the dragons that were comfortable enough with humans were able to raid the village, so they had the most stable food source than the dragons that hunted on their own. Natural selection took place and the dragons that feared humans were [[spoiler: eaten]] while the ones who weren't afraid lived and bred. The dragons who didn't fear humans also evolved in a way that would only have them fight in self-defense, as the ones that attacked unprovoked would've been far more likely to be killed by the Vikings.

** Some reptiles (such as most boas, all garter snakes, and a handful of lizards) are actually ovoviviparous, which means the eggs hatch inside of them and they do give live birth. Unfortunately, RealityIsUnrealistic to most people concerning reptilian reproduction. This theory is quite plausible. To be honest, judging by the design of the Night Fury as compared to other dragons, I did always think of them as live-bearing.

[[WMG: At the end of HTTYD 2, [[spoiler: Hiccup's mother]] won't come back to Berk.]]
Because, really. Accidentally or not, you leave home[[spoiler:, husband, and baby Hiccup]]. Don't go back to tell everyone ''you're not dead''. And spend a decade with dragons. Which is cool, but [[spoiler: I just don't want to see what her first [[TearJerker conversation with Stoick]] is going to look like. I don't have enough tissues.]]

** Except for the tissues, you probably still needed those.

[[WMG: Hiccup will nearly sacrifice himself in order to save Toothless in the sequel.]]
Toothless may be badly hurt and/or close to dying, likely at the hands of the BigBad, to which Hiccup will have to face the decision of sacrificing himself if he wants to save him. That, or there will at least be a scenario of Toothless being close to dying in general.
* Jossed.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Hiccup's mother]] won't return to Berk in the sequel, but will ask Hiccup to stay with her.]]
Similar to the above guess; [[spoiler:Hiccup's mother]] won't return to Berk, but will ask Hiccup to come with her and live free with their dragons away from his responsibilities (the film will probably focus more on Hiccup being Stoic's successor as the village leader, and struggling with the idea). Hiccup will be very tempted, but in the end, he [[IChooseToStay chooses to stay]] because he realizes he ''is'' fit to be a leader and even likes it, and he can't abandon his people as well as Astrid. It might sound clichè, but that's what the first movie was good at; taking clichès and handling them in a unique manner which didn't make them feel like clichès after all. I imagine the sequel would handle a scenario like the above mentioned just as well.
* Valka does want Hiccup to stay so she can teach him about dragons, but Stoick and Hiccup convince her to come back to Berk.

Even if that's been done before in WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}, it would seem likely.
But it'll be a lot scarier this time around.

* Going by above, once he fully matured he would look similar [[Spoiler: to the other alpha]]

* [[Spoiler:Confirmed]]

* In the short film Gift of the Nightfury it is revealed that all of the viking children's dragons are female after they all fly off to lay their eggs on some distant island. All except for Toothless but it is also pointed out by Snotlout that without Hiccup Toothless cannot fly and also Hiccup states that no one has ever come across another Nightfury so its still entirely plausible for Toothless to be female.

* Going by above, once he fully matured he would look similar [[WMG : to the other alpha]]

[[WMG: Toothless is the only Nightfury, because Nightfuries are actually a hybrid species.]]

[[WMG: Nightfuries are larval [[Franchise/{{Godzilla}} Godzillas]].]]
Same basis as the above. After a few centuries, Nightfuries bury themselves in ocean sediments and go into a period of hybernation, where they grow much larger and stronger by absorbing radiation from Earth's core. However, during the process, they lose their ability to fly. [[Film/{{GodzillavsHedorah}} Traditionally, anyway.]]

Toothless's experience of Vikings up to this point would have been of huge, strong people with plenty of muscle. Hiccup is tiny and scrawny. When Toothless realised that Hiccup gave him his only fish, he assumed that Hiccup wasn't strong enough to catch a lot of fish, and had given Toothless his whole kill. That's why he gave Hiccup half of the fish - he was touched that Hiccup had been that kind, and didn't want him to starve as a result, so he decided to give what he figured would be enough to help Hiccup survive. That's also why he comes to trust Hiccup a whole lot more afterwards.

* [[Spoilers:Confirmed]]

In "Maces and Talons: Part 1" (Viggo's first appearance) a hunter is brought to him for stealing a hide to trade for food.
Later, when talking with Heather, she claims that she won't be expecting him to have forgiven the hunter. He replies that it would be bad business and a scream is heard in the distance, implying that the hunter was either killed or injured for his transgression.

It's later shown that Viggo had already marked Heather as the traitor though. So, what if the hunter didn't actually take anything and the whole thing was just an act? A sort of power play move.
He's certainly smart enough, and fond enough of devious plans, to pull something like that.

This series is actually dark as Hel, accidental cremation, casual consumption of sapient beings, Hiccup the Second, etc... For the second point, why we would read Hiccup's stories through a translator in the modern times? It would be somewhat uplifting for Hiccup the power of the Dragon Jewel's power to be temporary, and fittingly dark to let it wear off after more than 1000 years.

* Most other dragon species have eyes on opposite sides of their head looking outwards, which is a common characteristic of prey animals (even fish-eating seasbirds), while Night Furies have excellent binocular vision, common in predators. Also, while the breath weapons of most dragons seem to be primarily defensive in nature and short-ranged, good for keeping predators away, Night Furies can attack from a long way off. Their fireballs also explode with enough concussive force to blow wooden structures to bits - perfect for knocking a fireproof dragon out of the sky.

[[WMG: Astrid actually has a crush on Toothless but is projecting it onto Hiccup for obvious reasons.]]
Think about it; Astrid isn't willing to listen to Hiccup until he gives her a magical dragon ride on Toothless. Besides, if she liked Hiccup so much, why would she devote so much time to saving the dragons. She's been training to fight dragons her entire life - you'd think that she'd hold some sort of grudge against them, Toothless in particular, since he's the one who takes up most of her "boyfriend"'s time.
* This is hilarious and awesome and you have my full support.

[[WMG: Hiccup's mom is really [[Series/That70sShow Eric Foreman]].]]
Well, this theory is MOSTLY crack. But if Eric was a girl, it would make perfect sense. But seriously, look at Eric. Now look at Hiccup. They look INCREDIBLY similar, enough to be related. And they both are skinny, geeky, sarcastic, deadpan snarkers, inexplicably attract the girl that everyone seems to be after, and they both have the same speech mannerisms. I mean, yeah you're probably reading this and wondering, "what on earth is wrong with you?" but trust me, it's far from the worst thing I have thought of. Anyways, Uh ... how is it possible? Time travel bullshit, obviously. I'm definitely not taking the time to explain how an obvious male could get pregnant, but whatevs.
* Well, he could be his descendant, but that would be far more logical.

[[WMG: Gobber is Fishleg's father]]
I don't really have anything to base this one, except they have a similar build, and when Fishlegs gets gassed by the Zippleback, Gobber is very concerned, and cries out, whereas the other kids got attacked and Gobber didn't seem to care at all.

[[WMG: Astrid is Camicaze, not an {{Expy}}]]
Her name was changed so that it would make more sense. Astrid actually sounds like a Nordic/Viking name. Camicaze sounds Japanese.

* In the short film Gift of the Nightfury it is revealed that all of the viking childrens dragons are female after they all fly off to lay their eggs on some distant island. All except for Toothless but it is also pointed out by Snotlout that without Hiccup Toothless cannot fly and also Hiccup states that no one has ever come accross another Nightfury so its still entirely plausible for Toothless to be female.

** Except that the dragons belonging to the viking children (ie Hiccup and his friends) are not seen in couples but all have babies which they appear to be raising as single parents therefore it is reasonable to assume they are all female. The Gronkle and Furious Nightmare are outright stated to be female cant remember about the Zippleback.
** In defense of “not allthe dragons are female” there are several species of animal that flip our traditional perception of gender parenting roles on their head., like many species of ground dwelling birds where it’s the males that fill the role of single parent while the females just lay eggs and go on their merry way. Considering how many different species of dragon there are, we could be seeing different parenting behaviors across the species.

Given that many reviews praised the film's darker tone (relative to other Dreamworks films anyway) as well as its action scenes and maturity, Dreamwork will push these elements further in the sequels, especially given the good old 'Dark second chapter' staple. Most likely it will be a heavy PG (think Dick Tracy, Prince Caspian and Tron Legacy) with nothing particularly explicit but an increased level of violence (eg, implied stabbings, very mild moments of bloodshed) innuedo and mild curses (the film did throw the word Hell around a bit, so the odd 'Damn' or 'Crap' wouldn't seem so unlikely). While they may just be bold enough to risk a PG-13, knowing that this is the same studio that brought us the... Will Smith fish... it doesn't seem likely they'd take such a big risk.

The dragons in the film weren't too difficult to train, for the most part, and they were very willing to let the vikings ride on their backs. This indicates that a civlization that was around before the vikings came to Berk had domesticated the dragons and had them for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, to ride and do other tasks. This civilization was wiped out by the Red Death, who then forced the dragons to bring it food.
* If we take it that this viking settlement is in Scotland (this troper would put money on one of the Orkney Isles), we could say this culture had been the celts, or maybe even the monks that inhabited Britain at that time. I'd say monks are less likely, given the demonic connotations dragons are often given, and how St. George's killing of a dragon (Which, in this universe, is assumedly not a red death) is always seen as a heroic action. The celts, however, I can easily imagine becoming dragon riders if the dragon was a native animal, as celtic traditions are almost completely drawn from what was naturally in Britain (They had very little outside influence until the romans).

*** Well, Valda does say Hiccup has the soul of a dragon in the April trailer.

* Adding the new/second movie info to the mix: maybe the dragons that can control others weren't originally a "singing dragon", but instead a MadScientist's creation in it's own right?

The hairstyle she sported in her youth, with a short fringe covering her left eye foreshadows an eyepatch that will eventually become a distinctive aspect of her appearance. This serves as a parallel to Hiccup and Toothless's war wounds (making it a family trait, so to speak). It almost certainly won't impear her ability to remain the series' ''hot chick'' as eyepatches can be sexy. [[note]]See Creator/AngelinaJolie in Film/SkyCaptainAndTheWorldOfTomorrow if in doubt.[[/note]]

''"Goodbye".''

Someone please tell me if I add TearJerker or FridgeHorror to that.

In “Maces and Talons: Part 1” (Viggo’s first appearance) a hunter is brought to him for stealing a hide to trade for food.
Later, when talking with Heather, she claims that she wan’t expecting him to have forgiven the hunter. He replies that it would be bad business and a scream is heard in the distance, implying that the hunter was either killed or injured for his transgression.

It’s later shown that Viggo had already marked Heather as the traitor though. So, what if the hunter didn’t actually take anything and the whole thing was just an act? A sort of power play move.
He’s certainly smart enough, and fond enough of devious plans, to pull something like that.

* Um...[[YouFailHistoryForever Rome never invaded viking lands.]] In fact, the Western Empire collapsed in the late fifth century. The viking age begins in the late eighth century. The city of Rome did exist during the viking era but it was just a backwater whose only claim to fame was the Pope and the ruins.

[[WMG: If we ever see Hiccup and Astrid's offspring, we will first see them as a baby. S/He is going to give a gummy baby smile. And [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Toothless will give one right back]].]]

[[WMG:''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'', ''{{Disney/Tangled}}'', ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'' and ''Film/RiseOfTheGuardians'' all take place in the same universe.]]

[[WMG:''{{Brave}}'', ''{{Disney/Tangled}}'', ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'' and ''Film/RiseOfTheGuardians'' all take place in the same universe.]]

* There's also a case for suspecting that Tuffnut is an ancestor of ''BigHero6''`s Fred. Aside from the identical voices, the seemingly-below-average IQs (compared to their respective communities) and the general physical resemblance the beginning of the movie sees Fred dressing in a costume that bears an eerie resemblance to Barf/Belch.

[[WMG: The dragons are [[{{Starcraft}} Primal Zerg]].]]

[[WMG: Snotlout is the ancestor of [[BrutalLegend Eddie Riggs]]]]

** Alternatively he is a decendant of Eddie Riggs who never returned to the present from the Age of Metal. By the time of the movie [[TheMagicGoesAway The Metal Went Away]] and the dragons were the last remnanmts of any magic in the world.

Similar to Vincent from Film/OverTheHedge having a cameo in BeeMovie, except it probably won't be a physical appearance. Maybe a cave painting of her or something.

[[WMG: How To Train Your Dragon is a happier version of TheIronGiant.]]

In the scenario I'm proposing, scientists increasingly began to cater to people who wanted "vanity pets". At first it was just different colors of "normal" pets, but than someone was like "why don't we make fantasy creatures?" and it snowballed from there. This is why the dragon's are so easily tamed- they were originally genetically engineered to be "tame". This is also why they act something like cats (they have cat in their background), and why, like dogs, there can be so many different varieties of dragon, but they all have some of the same characteristics (affinities for a kind of grass, scratching them under the chin, etc.) The Green/Red Evil thing was created originally to be a singing dragon, but a MadScientist got a hold of it, and changed it around until it was the terror in the movie. At first there were a lot of the giant evil ones, and they eventually destroyed a lot of Earth- but also each other, until there was one left, and no record of the world that used to be.

[[WMG: Hiccup's mom is really [[That70sShow Eric Foreman]].]]