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Cloud will take notice of Meteor and ask how that happened, prompting Barrett to lash out at him again. While Cloud just [[ExtremeDoormat takes it]], Tifa reminds him of the "Four Dudes At A Minimum" rant he gave her and advises him to do that with Barrett. Cloud [[ArmorPiercingResponse reminds Barrett]] who he trusted with the Black Materia, stressed how important it was that it never got close to Sephiroth and that he shouldn't hold on to it, and failed to notice that Sephiroth knocked the other party members out when he ran off. This gets Barrett to lay off of him.

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Cloud will take notice of Meteor and ask how that happened, prompting Barrett to lash out at him again. While Cloud just [[ExtremeDoormat takes it]], Tifa reminds him of the "Four Dudes At A Minimum" rant he gave her and advises him to do that with Barrett. Cloud [[ArmorPiercingResponse reminds Barrett]] who he trusted with the Black Materia, stressed how important it was that it never got close to Sephiroth and that he shouldn't hold on to it, and failed to notice that Sephiroth knocked the other party members out when he ran off. This gets Barrett to lay off of him.him.
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* {{Jossed}}

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* {{Jossed}}
{{Jossed}}. Seems like Cloud went back to normal after the Lifestream.




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* Jossed.




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* Confirmed, Cloud felt like he failed Tifa for not being in SOLDIER and hid his identity, while Zack motioned him to talk to her, implying that they got along.



** As for Northern Crater, {{Jossed.}} She tried to calm him down over his memories.

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** As for Northern Crater, {{Jossed.}} Jossed. She tried to calm him down over his memories.



** --> Tifa: "Do me a solid and join us."

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** --> Tifa: "Do me a solid and join us."
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* Jossed, it's played dead seriously right up to when he and Tifa fall into the lifestream
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Cloud will take notice of Meteor and ask how that happened, prompting Barrett to lash out at him again. While Cloud just [[ExtremeDoormat takes it]], Tifa reminds him of the "Four Dudes At A Minimum" rant he gave her and advises him to do that with Barrett. Cloud [[ArmorPiercingAnswer reminds Barrett]] who he trusted with the Black Materia, stressed how important it was that it never got close to Sephiroth and that he shouldn't hold on to it, and failed to notice that Sephiroth knocked the other party members out when he ran off. This gets Barrett to lay off of him.

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Cloud will take notice of Meteor and ask how that happened, prompting Barrett to lash out at him again. While Cloud just [[ExtremeDoormat takes it]], Tifa reminds him of the "Four Dudes At A Minimum" rant he gave her and advises him to do that with Barrett. Cloud [[ArmorPiercingAnswer [[ArmorPiercingResponse reminds Barrett]] who he trusted with the Black Materia, stressed how important it was that it never got close to Sephiroth and that he shouldn't hold on to it, and failed to notice that Sephiroth knocked the other party members out when he ran off. This gets Barrett to lay off of him.
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* Vincent will have five adult children, [[Characters/FinalFantasyVIIDeepground each one named after a color]]. At the end of the series, [[VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus Vincent will set out to track them all down, and in the process will get caught up in another conspiracy and find another Shinra-made artificial army to fight.]]

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* Vincent will have five adult children, [[Characters/FinalFantasyVIIDeepground each one named after a color]]. At the end of the series, [[VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus Vincent will set out to track them all down, and in the process will get caught up in another conspiracy and find another Shinra-made artificial army to fight.]]]]

[[WMG: Cloud will be welcomed with another "You Fucked Up" when he wakes up from his coma]]
Cloud will take notice of Meteor and ask how that happened, prompting Barrett to lash out at him again. While Cloud just [[ExtremeDoormat takes it]], Tifa reminds him of the "Four Dudes At A Minimum" rant he gave her and advises him to do that with Barrett. Cloud [[ArmorPiercingAnswer reminds Barrett]] who he trusted with the Black Materia, stressed how important it was that it never got close to Sephiroth and that he shouldn't hold on to it, and failed to notice that Sephiroth knocked the other party members out when he ran off. This gets Barrett to lay off of him.
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* Partially confirmed that Cid couldn't stop the train normally due to not knowing about locomotives. But with the help of AVALANCHE TIME, they were able to stop it and the townsfolk admitted they f*cked up.




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* Jossed, they admitted they fucked up and forgive him.



* {{Jossed}}, Scarlet loudly announces her presence to Tifa and slaps her while calling herself a Baroness. This goes just as well as you expect.

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* {{Jossed}}, Jossed, Scarlet loudly announces her presence to Tifa and slaps her while calling herself a Baroness. This goes just as well as you expect.




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* Jossed, Fort Condor and Corel went well.
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** So far jossed: Fort Condor and train missions both went well.
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** As for Northern Crater, {{Jossed.}} She tried to calm him down over his memories.




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* Jossed, no poll happened, it was a stream that they set up.




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* {{Jossed}}, Scarlet loudly announces her presence to Tifa and slaps her while calling herself a Baroness. This goes just as well as you expect.
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* {{Jossed}}




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** So far seems to be jossed. On the Northern Crater, he just asked Barrett to hold on to the Black Materia and asked him to not fuck up.




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* Jossed. The cause of Cloud's possession to give to the Black Materia was from him losing his mind over finding out his memories were fake and that he is a failed clone.




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* Jossed.
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Hojo's main thing is RapeByProxy breeding, and the three main-party characters who he's held captive for any substantial period of time were all men. If he didn't actually tell them when/if any "experiment" he used them in "succeeded", they might not have known if/when they fathered any kids. More specifically:

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Hojo's main thing is RapeByProxy breeding, and the three main-party characters who he's held captive for any substantial period of time were all men. If he didn't actually tell them when/if any "experiment" he used them in "succeeded", they might not have known if/when they fathered any kids. More specifically:
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* Red XIII will have two sons who look like PaletteSwap versions of him, in a nod to the original game's plans to give him two clones. Upon learning this Red XIII's DaddyIssues Character Arc will be brought up again, but by the end of the story he'll decide to move to Cosmo Canyon full-time in order to be a more supportive father- thus explaining why he won't appear much in the spin-off materials.

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* Red XIII will have two sons who look like PaletteSwap versions of him, in a nod to the original game's plans to give him two clones. Upon learning this Red XIII's DaddyIssues Character Arc will be brought up again, resurface, but by the end of the story he'll decide to move to Cosmo Canyon full-time in order to be a more supportive father- thus explaining why he won't appear much in the spin-off materials.
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* Vincent, the one held by Hojo for ten years, will have five adult children, [[Characters/FinalFantasyVIIDeepground each one named after a color]]. At the end of the series, [[VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus Vincent will set out to track them all down, and in the process will get caught up in another conspiracy and find another Shinra-made artificial army to fight.]]

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* Vincent, the one held by Hojo for ten years, Vincent will have five adult children, [[Characters/FinalFantasyVIIDeepground each one named after a color]]. At the end of the series, [[VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus Vincent will set out to track them all down, and in the process will get caught up in another conspiracy and find another Shinra-made artificial army to fight.]]
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* Vincent, the one held by Hojo for over ten years, will have five surviving children, [[Characters/FinalFantasyVIIDeepground each one named after a color]]. At the end of the series, [[VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus Vincent will set out to track them all down, and in the process will get caught up in another conspiracy and find another Shinra-made artificial army to fight.]]

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* Vincent, the one held by Hojo for over ten years, will have five surviving adult children, [[Characters/FinalFantasyVIIDeepground each one named after a color]]. At the end of the series, [[VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus Vincent will set out to track them all down, and in the process will get caught up in another conspiracy and find another Shinra-made artificial army to fight.]]
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[[WMG: Each of the main characters who were experimented on by Hojo will be revealed to have at least one ChildByRape each]]

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[[WMG: Each of the main party characters who were experimented on by Hojo will be revealed to have at least one ChildByRape each]]ChildByRape]]
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* Red XIII will have two sons who look like PaletteSwap versions of him, in a nod to the original game's plans to give him two clones. Recognizing and dealing through the emotional repercussions of this revelation will bring Red XIII's DaddyIssues Character Arc to a close, and by the end of the story he'll decide to move to Cosmo Canyon full-time in order to be a more supportive father- thus explaining why he won't appear much in the spin-off materials.

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* Red XIII will have two sons who look like PaletteSwap versions of him, in a nod to the original game's plans to give him two clones. Recognizing and dealing through the emotional repercussions of Upon learning this revelation will bring Red XIII's DaddyIssues Character Arc to a close, and will be brought up again, but by the end of the story he'll decide to move to Cosmo Canyon full-time in order to be a more supportive father- thus explaining why he won't appear much in the spin-off materials.

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[[WMG:Building on the WMG above about Hojo having raped Cloud, [[Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Denzel]] will be mentioned/discovered during the series as Cloud's son]]
Instead of being an orphan adoptee, he'll be Cloud's biological child conceived [[RapeByProxy during Cloud's five years of captivity]]. Denzel will either be aged down and never shown on-screen (with any future adaptation TFS does of Advent Children taking place ten years after the events of the main series) so he's young enough to be Cloud's kid, or he'll be [[YoungerThanTheyLook a one to four year old who looks older]]. Either he went through artificial RapidAging thanks to Hojo's experiments, or a short childhood is simply a trait he inherited from [[HalfHumanHybrid his non-human mother]].

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[[WMG:Building on [[WMG: Each of the WMG above about main characters who were experimented on by Hojo having raped Cloud, will be revealed to have at least one ChildByRape each]]
Hojo's main thing is RapeByProxy breeding, and the three main-party characters who he's held captive for any substantial period of time were all men. If he didn't actually tell them when/if any "experiment" he used them in "succeeded", they might not have known if/when they fathered any kids. More specifically:
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[[Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Denzel]] will be mentioned/discovered during the series revealed to exist as Cloud's son]]
Instead of being an orphan adoptee, he'll be
Cloud's biological child conceived [[RapeByProxy during Cloud's five years of captivity]].son. Denzel will either be aged down and never shown on-screen (with any future adaptation TFS does of Advent Children taking place ten years after the events of the main series) so he's young enough to be Cloud's kid, or he'll be [[YoungerThanTheyLook a one to four year old who looks older]]. Either In the latter case, either he went through artificial RapidAging thanks to Hojo's experiments, or a short childhood is simply a trait he inherited from [[HalfHumanHybrid his non-human mother]].mother]].
* Red XIII will have two sons who look like PaletteSwap versions of him, in a nod to the original game's plans to give him two clones. Recognizing and dealing through the emotional repercussions of this revelation will bring Red XIII's DaddyIssues Character Arc to a close, and by the end of the story he'll decide to move to Cosmo Canyon full-time in order to be a more supportive father- thus explaining why he won't appear much in the spin-off materials.
* Vincent, the one held by Hojo for over ten years, will have five surviving children, [[Characters/FinalFantasyVIIDeepground each one named after a color]]. At the end of the series, [[VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus Vincent will set out to track them all down, and in the process will get caught up in another conspiracy and find another Shinra-made artificial army to fight.]]
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Instead of being an orphan adoptee, he'll be Cloud's biological child conceived [[RapeByProxy during Cloud's five years of captivity]]. Denzel will either be aged down so he's young enough to be Cloud's kid, or he'll be [[YoungerThanTheyLook a one to four year old who looks older]]. Either he went through artificial RapidAging thanks to Hojo's experiments, or a short childhood is simply a trait he inherited from [[HalfHumanHybrid his non-human mother]].

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Instead of being an orphan adoptee, he'll be Cloud's biological child conceived [[RapeByProxy during Cloud's five years of captivity]]. Denzel will either be aged down and never shown on-screen (with any future adaptation TFS does of Advent Children taking place ten years after the events of the main series) so he's young enough to be Cloud's kid, or he'll be [[YoungerThanTheyLook a one to four year old who looks older]]. Either he went through artificial RapidAging thanks to Hojo's experiments, or a short childhood is simply a trait he inherited from [[HalfHumanHybrid his non-human mother]].
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When Cloud has the [[spoiler: Black Materia]] at the Northern crater, he will get into an argument with [[spoiler: Zack]] about [[spoiler: Handing it over to Sephiroth.]] A lot of Clouds argument may be over his free will, or doing it simply to spite the "Other Cloud" in his head for his advice (and the earlier moments in the series when he wasn't too helpful whilst [[spoiler: Zack]] screams at him to stop.

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When Cloud has the [[spoiler: Black Materia]] at the Northern crater, he will get into an argument with [[spoiler: Zack]] about [[spoiler: Handing it over to Sephiroth.]] A lot of Clouds argument may be over his free will, or doing it simply to spite the "Other Cloud" in his head for his advice (and the earlier moments in the series when he wasn't too helpful whilst [[spoiler: Zack]] screams at him to stop.stop.

[[WMG:Building on the WMG above about Hojo having raped Cloud, [[Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Denzel]] will be mentioned/discovered during the series as Cloud's son]]
Instead of being an orphan adoptee, he'll be Cloud's biological child conceived [[RapeByProxy during Cloud's five years of captivity]]. Denzel will either be aged down so he's young enough to be Cloud's kid, or he'll be [[YoungerThanTheyLook a one to four year old who looks older]]. Either he went through artificial RapidAging thanks to Hojo's experiments, or a short childhood is simply a trait he inherited from [[HalfHumanHybrid his non-human mother]].

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And Cloud’s later catatonic state will be the result of something happening on his Ivalice and not because of the Lifestream.

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And Cloud’s later catatonic state will be the result of something happening on his Ivalice and not because of the Lifestream.Lifestream.


[[WMG:Cloud and his inner voice will have an argument at the Northern Crater]]

When Cloud has the [[spoiler: Black Materia]] at the Northern crater, he will get into an argument with [[spoiler: Zack]] about [[spoiler: Handing it over to Sephiroth.]] A lot of Clouds argument may be over his free will, or doing it simply to spite the "Other Cloud" in his head for his advice (and the earlier moments in the series when he wasn't too helpful whilst [[spoiler: Zack]] screams at him to stop.
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When they meet Lucrecia during Vincent's sidequest, it will serve as a {{Trigger}} for Vincent which will cause him to switch to "Alucard", who will spend a few episodes as Alucard in all his HeroicComedicSociopath {{Troll}}ing glory, and will only revert back to his regular personality after Hojo is killed.

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When they meet Lucrecia during Vincent's sidequest, it will serve as a {{Trigger}} for Vincent which will cause him to switch to "Alucard", who will spend a few episodes as Alucard in all his HeroicComedicSociopath {{Troll}}ing glory, and will only revert back to his regular personality after Hojo is killed.killed.

[[WMG: VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics will be featured in Season 4.]]
Cloud’s cameo in VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics seems to imply he ended up in Ivalice when he fell into the Lifestream. When he falls into the Lifestream in the show he will likewise unexpectedly end up in Ivalice. And when he gets to Ivalice Ramza (and by extension everyone) will speak in a SesquipedalianLoquaciousness way that will confuse and annoy Cloud.

And Cloud’s later catatonic state will be the result of something happening on his Ivalice and not because of the Lifestream.

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[[WMG: When Cloud encounters Hojo at the Northern Crater, it will be revealed that during the five years he was experimented on, Hojo [[RapeAsDrama raped him]] on a regular basis.]]
And this will be completely PlayedForDrama, and it will be the final nail in the coffin for Cloud allowing Sephiroth to possess him and turn over the Black Materia. Tifa will then undergo a HeroicBSOD of her own because of how she threatened Cloud with PrisonRape at the beginning of the series, and when the party reaches Mideel, Tifa will completely become TheAtoner.

[[WMG: The Fort Condor segment during the Big Materia hunt will be mostly skipped over, and the Corel segment will end with Barret giving a ''giant'' TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Corel's citizens while undergoing a HeelRealization.]]
The Fort Condor segment will serve as a BrickJoke to the "giant pointless bird" remark in Season 2, and in Corel segment, regardless of whether they fail or lose, Barret will have a ''scorching'' TheReasonYouSuckSpeech directed at everyone in Corel, and halfway through it, will realize how he's been treating Cloud rather unfairly, when he sees the parallels between the attitude Corel has towards Barret and the attitude he has towards Cloud.

[[WMG: Abridged Alucard will be revealed as Vincent's alternate personality.]]
When they meet Lucrecia during Vincent's sidequest, it will serve as a {{Trigger}} for Vincent which will cause him to switch to "Alucard", who will spend a few episodes as Alucard in all his HeroicComedicSociopath {{Troll}}ing glory, and will only revert back to his regular personality after Hojo is killed.
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[[WMG: When Vincent becomes Chaos, he'll suddenly sound and act like [[WebVideo/HellsingUltimateAbridged Abridged Alucard]]]]
It would be a nice DoubleSubversion of the tease in his introduction. Considering the way his voice turns deep and demonic every time he mentions Hojo, it's likely actually meeting the man during his boss fight will make him turn into Chaos, who's both very grim and very powerful, and would likely roast Hojo and his "science" so much that he'll be utterly broken by the time Vincent actually starts attacking him.
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[[WMG: Cloud will guest star in a [[LetsPlay/TwoSaiyansPlay Renegade For Life]] playthrough of the VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake]].]]
And Vegeta will mock Cloud for [[IncrediblyLamePun playing with himself]]. It will also get meta about Cloud [[UnwittingPawn puppetting]] himself.
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Part of Cloud's CharacterDevelopment involves overcoming his many, ''many'' issues, including the trauma Sephiroth caused him and all the manipulation he endured at his hands, which Cloud will repay with [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown a furious Omnislash]]. After the attack end, Sephiroth will stumble a bit, visibly stunned...and say something utterly ridiculous, showing that Cloud not only [[NotAfraidOfYouAnymore overcame his fear of Sephiroth]], but broke his [[KnightOfCerebus ability to spread fear]] altogether.

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Part of Cloud's CharacterDevelopment involves overcoming his many, ''many'' issues, including the trauma Sephiroth caused him and all the manipulation he endured at his hands, which Cloud will repay with [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown a furious Omnislash]]. Omnislash]] and possibly complemented by a [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech a scathing verbal attack on Sephiroth's character]]. After the attack end, ends, Sephiroth will stumble a bit, visibly stunned...and say something utterly ridiculous, showing that Cloud not only [[NotAfraidOfYouAnymore overcame his fear of Sephiroth]], but broke his [[KnightOfCerebus ability to spread fear]] altogether.
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* Part of Cloud's CharacterDevelopment involves overcoming his many, ''many'' issues, including the trauma Sephiroth caused him and all the manipulation he endured at his hands, which Cloud will repay with [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown a furious Omnislash]]. After the attack end, Sephiroth will stumble a bit, visibly stunned...and say something utterly ridiculous, showing that Cloud not only [[NotAfraidOfYouAnymore overcame his fear of Sephiroth]], but broke his [[KnightOfCerebus ability to spread fear]] altogether.

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* Part of Cloud's CharacterDevelopment involves overcoming his many, ''many'' issues, including the trauma Sephiroth caused him and all the manipulation he endured at his hands, which Cloud will repay with [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown a furious Omnislash]]. After the attack end, Sephiroth will stumble a bit, visibly stunned...and say something utterly ridiculous, showing that Cloud not only [[NotAfraidOfYouAnymore overcame his fear of Sephiroth]], but broke his [[KnightOfCerebus ability to spread fear]] altogether.
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* For that matter. Tifa might lament how irritating fighting with her [[DCupDistress endowments]], only for another character to suggest she get a sports bra, which she will seriously consider.

[[WMG: During their BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind in the ending, Cloud will mess up Sephiroth so much that the latter will [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness say something funny]].]]
* Part of Cloud's CharacterDevelopment involves overcoming his many, ''many'' issues, including the trauma Sephiroth caused him and all the manipulation he endured at his hands, which Cloud will repay with [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown a furious Omnislash]]. After the attack end, Sephiroth will stumble a bit, visibly stunned...and say something utterly ridiculous, showing that Cloud not only [[NotAfraidOfYouAnymore overcame his fear of Sephiroth]], but broke his [[KnightOfCerebus ability to spread fear]] altogether.
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[[WMG: There will be a reference to Tifa's redesign in the remake]]
Maybe at one point, she'll consider getting thigh-highs or lament not wearing ModestyShorts under her skirt in one scene.
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[[WMG: If TFS ever does a machinabridged version of ''Final Fantasy VIII''.]]
Here's how each character would be portrayed:
* Squall would be a Batman expy
* Rinoa would be a Cloudcuckoolander who says really strange things that somehow make sense
* Zell would be everything Cloud wanted to be
* Selphie's interest in trains would become an obsession that would define her entire character
* Quistis would be {{Yandere}} for Squall
* Irvine would be a [[VideoGame/{{Overwatch}} McCree]] expy

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** Or, another alternative, the ones led by Cid go wrong while Cloud's actually go well, or in the very least, the Submarine mission. When everybody asks how Cloud was able to pilot a submarine so well, it'll cut to him playing the Submarine mini-game at the Golden Saucer, pointing out that it was the easiest way to farm GP.


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[[WMG: "[[Manga/MyHeroAcademia You Say Run]]" will play during the final battle with Sephiroth]]
Since Creator/JustinBriner voices Cloud, the opportunity is too good to resist.
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* Jossed. It's him, ProZD

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* Jossed. It's him, ProZD
You were expecting Antfish, But it was me, ProZD!!

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