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And then he turned into CrystalDragonJesus before they shared stories. All that usual Freudian [[SexIsEvil sexual]] [[DeathBySex guilt]] was displaced and no one to inflict it on. Oh, the Universe tried to fix the situation by rewriting the PSP game so he only chose one woman, but it was too late. The twisted karma went barreling back in time into the PSP AlternateUniverse and hit Vincent in the form of HornyDevils and Sheep.
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And then he turned into CrystalDragonJesus before they shared stories. All that usual Freudian [[SexIsEvil sexual]] [[DeathBySex guilt]] was displaced and no one to inflict it on. Oh, the Universe tried to fix the situation by rewriting the PSP game so he only chose one woman, but it was too late. The twisted karma went barreling back in time into the PSP AlternateUniverse and hit Vincent in the form of HornyDevils SuccubiAndIncubi and Sheep.
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[[WMG: Vincent's sheep horns indicate that he starts [[BalefulPolymorph transforming]] into a sheep man.]]
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[[WMG: The Monster that chase Jonny in nightmares is a monstrous version of Vincent]]
Jonny mentions several times that he feels like he's in nightmares because he betrayed his friend. It is known that he is in love with Katherine, but she is Vincent's girlfriend. Maybe deep down, he wants her to be his girlfriend, but at the same time, he feels that he is betraying Vincent by loving her.
Jonny mentions several times that he feels like he's in nightmares because he betrayed his friend. It is known that he is in love with Katherine, but she is Vincent's girlfriend. Maybe deep down, he wants her to be his girlfriend, but at the same time, he feels that he is betraying Vincent by loving her.
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More specifically, there are three: her 'normal' persona, '{{Yandere}}' persona, and the 'Catherine' persona. Her 'normal' persona is the usual kind {{Meganekko}} Vincent is engaged with. Her 'Yandere' persona is that [[NightmareFuel freaky screaming-head thingy]] we kept seeing in the Nightmare World in the trailer, born from the mind of insecure woman who desperately wants to marry Vincent as quickly as possible (with the thought that if she terrorizes Vincent enough, the Vincent in the real world will turn to her for a quick healing and ended up marrying her). 'Catherine' persona is, you guess it, the blonde, mysterious, mind-alluring, Catherine. Catherine is the persona born from Katherine with the thought that he'll like her more that way (it has been mentioned that they're some kind of childhood friends. Katherine must have known what type of girl Vincent like). Katherine herself may or may not realise that she has an MPD, so Catherine's existence is either just Katherine sporting a wig/dying her hair and curling it, or an EnemyWithout because of whatever AppliedPhlebotinum they're going to use in this game. And now, for the reason ''why'' Katherine has an MPD is probably because of trauma Vincent has induced to her in the past. And for the reason ''why'' the 'Yandere' persona can cause Nightmare and 'Catherine' keeps clinging to Vincent may be explained because of something akin/similar to Sera in VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga and [[spoiler: [[SpellMyNamewithAnS Maki/Mary]]]] in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 1}}'', respectively.
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More specifically, there are three: her 'normal' persona, '{{Yandere}}' persona, and the 'Catherine' persona. Her 'normal' persona is the usual kind {{Meganekko}} BespectacledCutie Vincent is engaged with. Her 'Yandere' persona is that [[NightmareFuel freaky screaming-head thingy]] we kept seeing in the Nightmare World in the trailer, born from the mind of insecure woman who desperately wants to marry Vincent as quickly as possible (with the thought that if she terrorizes Vincent enough, the Vincent in the real world will turn to her for a quick healing and ended up marrying her). 'Catherine' persona is, you guess it, the blonde, mysterious, mind-alluring, Catherine. Catherine is the persona born from Katherine with the thought that he'll like her more that way (it has been mentioned that they're some kind of childhood friends. Katherine must have known what type of girl Vincent like). Katherine herself may or may not realise that she has an MPD, so Catherine's existence is either just Katherine sporting a wig/dying her hair and curling it, or an EnemyWithout because of whatever AppliedPhlebotinum they're going to use in this game. And now, for the reason ''why'' Katherine has an MPD is probably because of trauma Vincent has induced to her in the past. And for the reason ''why'' the 'Yandere' persona can cause Nightmare and 'Catherine' keeps clinging to Vincent may be explained because of something akin/similar to Sera in VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga and [[spoiler: [[SpellMyNamewithAnS Maki/Mary]]]] in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 1}}'', respectively.
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* {{Double Jossed}} [[spoiler: It's space.]]
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* ''Catherine: Full Body'' adds Qatherine who turns out to be [[spoiler:a man in drag then is later revealed to be from a race of hermaphroditic aliens.]]
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More specifically, there are three: her 'normal' persona, '{{Yandere}}' persona, and the 'Catherine' persona. Her 'normal' persona is the usual kind {{Meganekko}} Vincent is engaged with. Her 'Yandere' persona is that [[NightmareFuel freaky screaming-head thingy]] we kept seeing in the Nightmare World in the trailer, born from the mind of insecure woman who desperately wants to marry Vincent as quickly as possible (with the thought that if she terrorizes Vincent enough, the Vincent in the real world will turn to her for a quick healing and ended up marrying her). 'Catherine' persona is, you guess it, the blonde, mysterious, mind-alluring, Catherine. Catherine is the persona born from Katherine with the thought that he'll like her more that way (it has been mentioned that they're some kind of childhood friends. Katherine must have known what type of girl Vincent like). Katherine herself may or may not realise that she has an MPD, so Catherine's existence is either just Katherine sporting a wig/dying her hair and curling it, or an EnemyWithout because of whatever AppliedPhlebotinum they're going to use in this game. And now, for the reason ''why'' Katherine has an MPD is probably because of trauma Vincent has induced to her in the past. And for the reason ''why'' the 'Yandere' persona can cause Nightmare and 'Catherine' keeps clinging to Vincent may be explained because of something akin/similar to Sera in VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga and [[spoiler: [[SpellMyNamewithAnS Maki/Mary]]]] in ''VideoGame/{{Persona}}'', respectively.
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More specifically, there are three: her 'normal' persona, '{{Yandere}}' persona, and the 'Catherine' persona. Her 'normal' persona is the usual kind {{Meganekko}} Vincent is engaged with. Her 'Yandere' persona is that [[NightmareFuel freaky screaming-head thingy]] we kept seeing in the Nightmare World in the trailer, born from the mind of insecure woman who desperately wants to marry Vincent as quickly as possible (with the thought that if she terrorizes Vincent enough, the Vincent in the real world will turn to her for a quick healing and ended up marrying her). 'Catherine' persona is, you guess it, the blonde, mysterious, mind-alluring, Catherine. Catherine is the persona born from Katherine with the thought that he'll like her more that way (it has been mentioned that they're some kind of childhood friends. Katherine must have known what type of girl Vincent like). Katherine herself may or may not realise that she has an MPD, so Catherine's existence is either just Katherine sporting a wig/dying her hair and curling it, or an EnemyWithout because of whatever AppliedPhlebotinum they're going to use in this game. And now, for the reason ''why'' Katherine has an MPD is probably because of trauma Vincent has induced to her in the past. And for the reason ''why'' the 'Yandere' persona can cause Nightmare and 'Catherine' keeps clinging to Vincent may be explained because of something akin/similar to Sera in VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga and [[spoiler: [[SpellMyNamewithAnS Maki/Mary]]]] in ''VideoGame/{{Persona}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Persona 1}}'', respectively.
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[[WMG: Vincent has Graves' Disease]]
It's why his eyeballs seem to bug out so prominently when he's shocked.
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* Technically, Katherine CAN die [[spoiler: during the stage that commences after Catherine's death]], but it's treated like a player loss.
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* It was impossible anyway, since [[spoiler:Trisha was Ishtar]].
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[[WMG: Vincent was meant to get a Persona, but whatever Dumuzid did to create the dreams screwed up the collective unconscious, preventing it from happening.]]
He was supposed to fight Ishtar and Dumuzid, but they put their plan into motion before Philemon could grant Vincent the power. Lindsay and Martha were the Velvet Room attendants assigned to him, but were put out of work since they had no job to do. Vincent could have gotten around the dream's limitations by accepting his Shadow, but he didn't know he was supposed to do that, and he ended up defeating Dumuzid anyway, so all's well that ends well, I guess.
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* As of Full Body, basically [[spoiler: confirmed; Vincent is most likely bisexual.]] Despite being shocked by [[spoiler: Rin's UnsettlingGenderReveal]] at first, Vincent's relationship with them ends up being the most healthy of the three options. Look how much happier, confident, responsible, and emotionally open he is. He even flat-out says that [[spoiler: gender doesn't matter, and tells off Mutton in the middle of a homophobic rant!]]
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*Half-confirmed, [[spoiler:he's part of an alien race that are considered "angels" by humans. He ends up marrying Vincent in his Good/True ending.]]
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*Half-confirmed, [[spoiler:but not for Katherine. It's Catherine who ends up having Vincent's kids (in her new ending).]].
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[[WMG: In ''Full Body'', the other two choices for Catherine's "ideal voice" will be [[VideoGame/Persona4 Rie Kugimiya and Romi Pak]].]]
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*Jossed. [[spoiler:Rin is an alien.]]
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*Atlus tends to have more heroic incarnations of Ishtar...
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*Jossed. Creator/BriannaKnickerbocker is her voice actor.
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That is, [[spoiler:Rin is a succubus like Catherine. She hits so many Moe tropes that it's probably intentional. CuteClumsyGirl? NoSocialSkills, but it's endearing? Innocently stripping? It's all intentional on her part. Unlike Catherine, Qatherine can be seen by more than just her targets, so she has to have a fixed appearance and personality, as opposed to Catherine catering to tastes]].
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That is, [[spoiler:Rin is a succubus like Catherine. She hits so many Moe tropes that it's probably intentional. CuteClumsyGirl? NoSocialSkills, but it's endearing? Innocently stripping? It's all intentional on her part. Unlike Catherine, Qatherine can be seen by more than just her targets, so she has to have a fixed appearance and personality, as opposed to Catherine catering to tastes]]. Alternately...
[[WMG: After some WhamEpisode, Qatherine's Moe traits will be justified]]
Rin seems like an Expy of Sera from ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'', in that both are cute, innocent, all-loving heroines with amnesia, who become the hero's love interest. Except Sera's traits are justified: [[spoiler:she is cute and innocent because she is an intelligent seven year old who underwent accelerated aging. The heroes love her because they're AIs that she designed for her personal paradise; Serph and Heat in particular were based off of two people whom she thought had a crush on her.]] Rin will have good reasons for her Moe traits.
[[WMG: After some WhamEpisode, Qatherine's Moe traits will be justified]]
Rin seems like an Expy of Sera from ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'', in that both are cute, innocent, all-loving heroines with amnesia, who become the hero's love interest. Except Sera's traits are justified: [[spoiler:she is cute and innocent because she is an intelligent seven year old who underwent accelerated aging. The heroes love her because they're AIs that she designed for her personal paradise; Serph and Heat in particular were based off of two people whom she thought had a crush on her.]] Rin will have good reasons for her Moe traits.
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[[WMG: Rin and Catherine are coworkers]]
That is, [[spoiler:Rin is a succubus like Catherine. She hits so many Moe tropes that it's probably intentional. CuteClumsyGirl? NoSocialSkills, but it's endearing? Innocently stripping? It's all intentional on her part. Unlike Catherine, Qatherine can be seen by more than just her targets, so she has to have a fixed appearance and personality, as opposed to Catherine catering to tastes]].
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[[WMG: In ''Full Body'', the other two choices for Catherine's "ideal voice" will be [[VideoGame/Persona4 Rie Kugimiya and Romi Pak]].]]
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[[WMG: In the True Neutral ending, Jonny and Katherine eventually get together.]]
Katherine initially turns Jonny down because she's just gotten out of a long-term relationship that ended badly, but after some time passes either Jonny tries again or Katherine approaches him, given that she's used to being the decisive one with Vincent. Jonny is basically the version of Vincent that Katherine wanted actual Vincent to be: Responsible, hard-working, and family-oriented with an interest in finding the 'right woman' and settling down. They're both strongly associated with Order and would probably be quite happy given their compatibility, whereas the True Neutral Vincent would never be satisfied with such a relationship.
Katherine initially turns Jonny down because she's just gotten out of a long-term relationship that ended badly, but after some time passes either Jonny tries again or Katherine approaches him, given that she's used to being the decisive one with Vincent. Jonny is basically the version of Vincent that Katherine wanted actual Vincent to be: Responsible, hard-working, and family-oriented with an interest in finding the 'right woman' and settling down. They're both strongly associated with Order and would probably be quite happy given their compatibility, whereas the True Neutral Vincent would never be satisfied with such a relationship.
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* Her dress has angel wings on the back of the collar. Plus, we could be viewing the whole teasing about Rin's sex and gender wrong. Some works in Japan have their angels either be sexless (such as in CLAMP's Wish) or hermaphrodites. Perhaps Rin falls into one of those categories rather than being transgender/sexual?
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[[WMG: Rin is Astarte/Ashtar]]
Look at the Myth/HebrewMythology page. Astar (spelled Ashtar in SMTII) and Astarte are confused with one another, and could be male or female. Fitting with the Sumerian gods, Ashtar was also the being that fused with Ishtar to become Astaroth in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'', and Astarte is a localized version of Inanna/Ishtar. Boss could have hired her for her resemblance to Ishtar.
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* Tying the angel theory into the mythology surrounding the game, it's possible Rin will represent the fallen angel, Samyaza. Samyaza was the leader of a group of fallen angels from heaven who were lured away from earth by the beauty of human women. Samyaza would soon fall in lust with Ishtar. Ishtar would go on to use her attractiveness to trick Samyaza into giving Ishtar her wings as a price for her 'favours'. Ishtar would use her new wings to ascend to the heavens and becoming a Goddess with Samyaza trapped on earth.
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* Tying the angel theory into the mythology surrounding the game, it's possible Rin will represent the fallen angel, Samyaza. Samyaza was the leader of a group of fallen angels from heaven who were lured away from to earth by the beauty of human women. Samyaza would soon fall in lust with Ishtar. Ishtar would go on to use her attractiveness to trick Samyaza into giving Ishtar away her wings as a price for her 'favours'. Ishtar would use her new wings to ascend to the heavens and becoming a Goddess with Samyaza trapped on earth.
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* Tying the angel theory into the mythology surrounding the game, it's possible Rin will represent the fallen angel, Samyaza. Samyaza was the leader of a group of fallen angels from heaven who were lured away from earth by the beauty of human women. Samyaza would soon fall in lust with Ishtar. Ishtar would go on to use her attractiveness to trick Samyaza into giving Ishtar her wings as a price for her 'favours'. Ishtar would use her new wings to ascend to the heavens and becoming a Goddess with Samyaza trapped on earth.
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[[WMG: Rin is a [[HumanALiens Human Alien.]]]]
It seems likely that Rin will somehow be related to a neutral route in this new story and with the original true neutral ending of the game revealing that the plot takes place not on earth but on a space colony, it would make sense for them to be connected. Rin is described to [[NOSocialSkills 'lack social etiquette']], her design stands out from the rest of the main cast and the full body website prominently features this mysterious pink goo found in her bracelet.
It seems likely that Rin will somehow be related to a neutral route in this new story and with the original true neutral ending of the game revealing that the plot takes place not on earth but on a space colony, it would make sense for them to be connected. Rin is described to [[NOSocialSkills 'lack social etiquette']], her design stands out from the rest of the main cast and the full body website prominently features this mysterious pink goo found in her bracelet.
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[[WMG:Rin is OmnicidalNeutral]]
If Catherine is Chaos and Katherine is Law, the third option is neutrality. And in an Atlus game, Neutral is almost always OmnicidalNeutral.
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Specifically, all the games in this future series will be ''The Golden Playhouse''. It will be a videogame version of the [[Series/TheTwilightZone Twilight Zone]], where every game has a different plot and/or different puzzle type with the only similarities between games being that they are all puzzle games, they have the Order/Chaos/Neutral themes inherent in the SMT metaseries, all are hosted by Midnight Venus, and all will have the title of the story on the box but will NOT reveal is it part of the Golden Playhouse until that specific intro plays out.
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Specifically, all the games in this future series will be ''The Golden Playhouse''. It will be a videogame video game version of the [[Series/TheTwilightZone Twilight Zone]], ''Franchise/TheTwilightZone'', where every game has a different plot and/or different puzzle type with the only similarities between games being that they are all puzzle games, they have the Order/Chaos/Neutral themes inherent in the SMT metaseries, all are hosted by Midnight Venus, and all will have the title of the story on the box but will NOT reveal is it part of the Golden Playhouse until that specific intro plays out.
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It's all part of his evil plot to steal every role Creator/TroyBaker ever voiced. He's already stolen [[Anime/IronManRiseOfTechnovore Clint Barton]], [[VideoGame/Persona4 Kanji Tatsumi]], [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Yamato]], [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity Tim Drake]], [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Espio the Chameleon]], [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky Olivier Lenheim]], [[VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward Sigma Klim]], and [[VideoGame/Disgaea4APromiseUnforgotten Valvatorez]]. ''It's only a matter of time.''
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It's all part of his evil plot to steal every role Creator/TroyBaker ever voiced. He's already stolen [[Anime/IronManRiseOfTechnovore Clint Barton]], [[VideoGame/Persona4 Kanji Tatsumi]], [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Yamato]], [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity Tim Drake]], [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Espio the Chameleon]], [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky Olivier Lenheim]], [[VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward Sigma Klim]], and [[VideoGame/Disgaea4APromiseUnforgotten Valvatorez]].Valvatorez]], and [[VideoGame/SengokuBasara Ishida Mitsunari]]. ''It's only a matter of time.''
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[[WMG: Rin will be voiced by [[spoiler: Creator/ErikaHarlacher]]]]
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It's all part of his evil plot to steal every role Creator/TroyBaker ever voiced. He's already stolen [[Anime/IronManRiseOfTechnovore Clint Barton]], [[VideoGame/Persona4 Kanji Tatsumi]], [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Yamato]], [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity Tim Drake]], [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Espio the Chameleon]], [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky Olivier Lenheim]], [[VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward Sigma Klim]], and [[VideoGame/Disgaea4APromiseUnforgotten Valvatorez]]. ''It's only a matter of time.''
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[[WMG: One of the new endings or ending cutscenes that will be available for the Full Body remaster will have [[BabiesEverAfter Katherine and Vincent having a baby or at least Katherine actually being pregnant.]]]]
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