History WMG / Catherine

[[WMG: One of the new endings or ending cutscenes that will be available for the Full Body remaster will have [[BabiesEverAfter Katherine and Vincent actually having a baby.]]]]

* Or maybe Catherine is [[{{Mario}} Birdo]]. "She" is called Catherine [[ShesAManInJapan in Japan]], so [[InsaneTrollLogic maybe]].

* Do angels sleep with people? (I mean maybe, we're dealing with a game where you can sleep with a god of love if you beat challenge mode) initial scans already appear to show her naked in Vincent's bed. I also wonder what could qualify as more "[[OrderVersusChaos LAW]]" than marrying into a monogamous relationship with Katherine.

[[WMG: Ryn is a holy being trying to guide Vincent away from Catherine before sending him back to Katherine.]]

Just to complete the trio of demon, angel, and human.

Explains her costume design having a lot of white lace, as well as her negative attitude towards marriage. This, in my opinion, would make her a more sympathetic character. She's only desperate for Vincent because he consoles her after she tells him about what happened, but he was too drunk to remember the details of what she said that night. They bonded because she went through a bad relationship and just left, and he probably said he was thinking about breaking up with Katherine and knows at least that he doesn't want to marry her. I'm guessing he told her about Katherine, but he sounded so miserable over her that she felt sorry for him. And he wakes up with Catherine but not remembering anything that was said. She's not a succubus or a "floozy", she's a victim, trying to drink and have sex to forget her own pain.

[[WMG: This game is the result of {{Persona 3}} protagonist scoring with all of those women at the same time.]]
And then he turned into CrystalDragonJesus before they shared stories. All that usual Freudian [[SexIsEvil sexual]] [[DeathBySex guilt]] was displaced and noone to inflict it on. Oh, the Universe tried to fix the situation by rewriting the PSP game so he only chose one woman, but it was too late. The twisted karma went barreling back in time into the PSP AlternateUniverse and hit Vincent in the form of HornyDevils and Sheep.

That is, Jonathan is the main character [[spoiler:who is now non-dead for some reason]] of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and Tobias is Teddie from ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}''. Well, why not?

This works for two reasons. Reason one: people have said that Catherine's design is somewhat similar to the Priestess shadow of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', what with the odd OjouRinglets and prominently sitting spread eagle. Considering how the Priestess Arcana also represents the subconscious... The second reason is that she's a mysterious blond-haired, blue-eyed person who seems to inspire a lot of speculation on her true nature. [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} Sound familiar yet?]]

[[WMG: The Nightmare world is somehow connected to the Tartarus/Dark Hour in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'']]

There is nothing about Catherine that has anything to do with any of Atlus' other games. It isn't in the same world as Persona 3, Philemon and Nyarlathotep aren't meddling in human affairs and God isn't trying to kill humanity for being defiant. When you look at the game you'll notice that it's far more personalized about a man's current life rather than going out and meeting people, plus the fact that coming to terms with Vincent's issues appears to be what's most important instead of reaching the truth or stopping Armageddon.

* One possible explanation is that this is, as speculated above, an artificial Persona -- specifically, one that is searching for a host. This may tie into the plot of VideoGame/{{Persona}} 5 or yet ''another'' SpinOff.

That is, Jonathan is the main character [[spoiler:who is now non-dead for some reason]] of {{Persona3}} and Tobias is Teddie from ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}''. Well, why not?

This works for two reasons. Reason one: people have said that Catherine's design is somewhat similar to the Priestess shadow of {{Persona 3}}, what with the odd OjouRinglets and prominently sitting spread eagle. Considering how the Priestess Arcana also represents the subconscious... The second reason is that she's a mysterious blond-haired, blue-eyed person who seems to inspire a lot of speculation on her true nature. [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} Sound familiar yet?]]

More specifically, there are three: her 'normal' persona, '{{Yandere}}' persona, and the 'Catherine' persona. Her 'normal' persona is the usual kind {{Meganekko}} Vincent is engaged with. Her 'Yandere' persona is that [[NightmareFuel freaky screaming-head thingy]] we kept seeing in the Nightmare World in the trailer, born from the mind of insecure woman who desperately wants to marry Vincent as quickly as possible (with the thought that if she terrorizes Vincent enough, the Vincent in the real world will turn to her for a quick healing and ended up marrying her). 'Catherine' persona is, you guess it, the blonde, mysterious, mind-alluring, Catherine. Catherine is the persona born from Katherine with the thought that he'll like her more that way (it has been mentioned that they're some kind of childhood friends. Katherine must have known what type of girl Vincent like). Katherine herself may or may not realise that she has an MPD, so Catherine's existence is either just Katherine sporting a wig/dying her hair and curling it, or an EnemyWithout because of whatever AppliedPhlebotinum they're going to use in this game. And now, for the reason ''why'' Katherine has an MPD is probably because of trauma Vincent has induced to her in the past. And for the reason ''why'' the 'Yandere' persona can cause Nightmare and 'Catherine' keeps clinging to Vincent may be explained because of something akin/similar to Sera in VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga and [[spoiler: [[SpellMyNamewithAnS Maki/Mary]]]] in VideoGame/{{Persona}}, respectively.

[[WMG: The Nightmare world is somehow connected to the Tartarus/Dark Hour in {{Persona3}}]]

It started happening because [[{{Persona2}} rumors are becoming reality]], like in Persona 2.

* Confirmed

And then he turned into CrystalDragonJesus before they shared stories. All that usual [[FreudWasRight Freudian]] [[SexIsEvil sexual]] [[DeathBySex guilt]] was displaced and noone to inflict it on. Oh, the Universe tried to fix the situation by rewriting the PSP game so he only chose one woman, but it was too late. The twisted karma went barreling back in time into the PSP AlternateUniverse and hit Vincent in the form of HornyDevils and Sheep.

Rather than becoming a consort of Ishtar, the first player to get a gold prize on all the unbelievably NintendoHard Babel stages (which are already nearly impossible to unlock) immediately [[TabletopGame/UnknownArmies ascended as the Virgin Casanova]], the archetype of the one who knows all about love and sexuality, but can never get any themselves. In so doing, he banished from the Statoshpere the last holder of the title, [[Manga/TheWorldGodOnlyKnows Keima Katsuragi]], who himself took it from CyranoDeBergerac... Okay, so this theory doesn't make any sense whatsoever, [[RuleOfCool but it's cool, so who cares?]]

[[WMG: ''{{Catherine}}'' takes place in the same universe as, or is a not-too-different retelling of, [[Creator/HarukiMurakami Murakami's]] Literature/TheWindUpBirdChronicle.]]

Okay, it's been a year and everybody has moved on. But a man can dream, can't he?

[[WMG: ''{{Catherine}}'' takes place in the same universe as, or is a not-too-different retelling of, [[Creator/HarukiMurakami Murakami's]] TheWindUpBirdChronicle.]]
EveryMan protagonist? Check. Infidelity? Check. Strange cast of characters? Check. Weird dreams? Check. Sex? Check. Weird sense of MagicalRealism, or at least a lot of things unexplained and interconnected? Check. I haven't played the game yet, but just the demo playthrough and the opening remind me a lot of a Murakami book, especially ''TheWindUpBirdChronicle''.

More specifically, there are three: her 'normal' persona, '{{Yandere}}' persona, and the 'Catherine' persona. Her 'normal' persona is the usual kind {{Meganekko}} Vincent is engaged with. Her 'Yandere' persona is that [[NightmareFuel freaky screaming-head thingy]] we kept seeing in the Nightmare World in the trailer, born from the mind of insecure woman who desperately wants to marry Vincent as quickly as possible (with the thought that if she terrorizes Vincent enough, the Vincent in the real world will turn to her for a quick healing and ended up marrying her). 'Catherine' persona is, you guess it, the blonde, mysterious, mind-alluring, Catherine. Catherine is the persona born from Katherine with the thought that he'll like her more that way (it has been mentioned that they're some kind of childhood friends. Katherine must have known what type of girl Vincent like). Katherine herself may or may not realise that she has an MPD, so Catherine's existence is either just Katherine sporting a wig/dying her hair and curling it, or an EnemyWithout because of whatever AppliedPhlebotinum they're going to use in this game. And now, for the reason ''why'' Katherine has an MPD is probably because of trauma Vincent has induced to her in the past. And for the reason ''why'' the 'Yandere' persona can cause Nightmare and 'Catherine' keeps clinging to Vincent may be explained because of something akin/similar to Sera in DigitalDevilSaga and [[spoiler: [[SpellMyNamewithAnS Maki/Mary]]]] in VideoGame/{{Persona}}, respectively.

[[WMG: In the True Cheater ending, [[spoiler:Vincent is able to take over the Netherworld because [[NetHack he gained so many levels from sleeping with Catherine]].]]]]

* [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 Is not possible]]! For one, Tartarus randomizes it's floors (Well, except the boss ones). Secondly, Tartarus is sheep-free. Thirdly, the towers [[TimedMission collapse on time]] while in Tartarus you have all the time in the world. Excluding many other reasons I can get you wrong, VideoGame/Catherine is a Puzzle Platformer RPG (or whatever genre this is) while VideoGame/Persona3 is an Action RPG!

[[WMG: ''{{Catherine}}'' takes place in the same universe as, or is a not-too-different retelling of, [[HarukiMurakami Murakami's]] TheWindUpBirdChronicle.]]

This works for two reasons. Reason one: people have said that Catherine's design is somewhat similar to the Priestess shadow of {{Persona 3}}, what with the odd OjouRinglets and prominently sitting spread eagle. Considering how the Priestess Arcana also represents the subconscious... The second reason is that she's a mysterious blond-haired, blue-eyed person who seems to inspire a lot of speculation on her true nature. [[{{Persona 4}} Sound familiar yet?]]

They talk about how they were an inseparable group of friends in high school who went out and had all kinds of adventures and stuff. You may assume they were generic kid adventures, but actually they were Persona-users who saved the world and forgot about it. They probably did so some time after Persona 4, and in the time between their adventure and the events of the game, Junes' mascot Teddie become so famous he appears on bear cans.

That is, Jonathan is the main character [[spoiler:who is now non-dead for some reason]] of {{Persona3}} and Tobias is Teddie from {{Persona4}}. Well, why not?

** Because it is stuck in his mind. Similar to the Shadows in Persona4 which represents the hidden side of his personality. When he is on the red side of the Karma, his whole desire to be "Free" hides the fact he is still committed to Katherine and must move on. The "Lawful" side shows that deep down he still got some desire to break out of the upcoming monotony of marraige and that there is still a few kinks to work out to make the marraige work and that he doesn't leave behind a scorned woman or become a miserable man's who as quoth "Love is over", only when he "Overcomes" his inner shadow does he have the courage to actually face both C/Katherines.

These two are actually succubi who were once seducers who herded man in the Nightmares for Dumuzid several centuries ago. For one reason or another they are no longer doing this job anymore and now continue to sit on the sidelines and watch as their successors, the latest being Catherine, continue working for Dumuzid while occasionally giving advice and having small talk with the victims. Their current forms [[IWasQuiteALooker symbolize that they are retired from the game]]. Specifics for why they are no longer of a part of the cycle will probably never be known.

I've read the epic of Gilgamesh! In the end, she always gets tired of her boyfriends and... disposes of them. It's not worth it, man!

** While it doesn't pull any of the [[HannibalLecture true self]] stuff, [[spoiler: Vincent's Shadow]] ''is'' a boss, so it's safe to say there's at least some sort of connection between the origins of Vincent's nightmare monsters and the Shadows.