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[[WMG: The series isn't really set in the 80s; it's a film set or a [[Film/CabinintheWoods Cabin in the Woods]] scenario]]

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[[WMG: The series isn't really set in the 80s; it's a film set or a [[Film/CabinintheWoods [[Film/TheCabinintheWoods Cabin in the Woods]] scenario]]
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** Jossed, pretty much. While pious Margaret is established as a past final girl and virginal Brooke has the hallmarks, there are too many subversions in the set-up for the series to actually follow traditional horror mores.
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** '''Jossed''': It's not a movie.

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** '''Jossed''': It's not a movie.
movie. The ''real'' twist is that [[spoiler: contrary to both ''AHS'' and slasher-flick tradition, it has a happy ending ... for an ''AHS'' standard of "happy", at least.]]
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** '''Jossed''': It's not a movie.
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** [[spoiler: Which serves him right, because even the killings he commits posthumously at the Cortez will be chalked up to ''Ramirez'', not him. So much for ever breaking the Night Stalker's rally...]]

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** [[spoiler: Which serves him right, because even the killings he commits posthumously at the Cortez will be chalked up to ''Ramirez'', not him. So much for ever breaking the Night Stalker's rally...tally...]]
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** [[spoiler: Which serves him right, because even the killings he commits posthumously at the Cortez will be chalked up to ''Ramirez'', not him. So much for ever breaking the Night Stalker's rally...]]
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* [[spoiler: Bruce could have somehow made it to the Hotel Cortez and meet Mr. March before getting thrown back in the slammer. He's the ghost that visits the place for the serial killer "summit", thus tying up all the supposed plot holes.]]

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* [[spoiler: Bruce could have somehow made it to the Hotel Cortez and meet Mr. March before getting thrown back in the slammer. He's the ghost that visits the place for the serial killer "summit", thus tying up all the supposed plot holes.]]]]
[[WMG: The Night Stalker was supposed to teach Michael]]
We know that Satan has heavily favored Ramirez to the point that it's a joke that he ignored Michael in favor of him, but what if it wasn't to ignore Michael but planning ahead? What if Ramirez was supposed to be taught everything that Michael would need in order to truly ascend as the anti-christ but he got locked down at the camp and was unable to teach Michael. Due to this and the fact that Satan didn't have a back up in mind he had to make due with Mead and the Satanic cult who gave him a less then adequate education.
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We see how [[spoiler: Bruce (the thumbless killer) was mortally wounded and tossed down a hill, to roll across the Camp's boundaries and die permanently. But we also know that Bruce hung on every word Ramirez said like a fanboy, and that he observed Richard's prayers to Satan at least once. Possibly, bleeding out in the forest and realizing he was damned no matter what he did, Bruce made a last ditch attempt to call on Richard's boss to save his life, begging to be made whole so he could build upon the Night Stalker's legacy. Wishing to tie off the telltale loose ends created by how Richard had used his Satanic powers to escape, but not thrilled at being pestered by the un-servile demands of a petty wannabe who treated killing like a mere ''hobby'', Satan restored Bruce to bodily wholeness as a one-time gift ... but, in the process, transformed him into the spitting image of Richard Ramirez. Next time Bruce strode into a bar or a skating rink expecting to pass unnoticed until he could single out a victim or two, he was [=IDed=] as the Night Stalker and given '''his''' turn to have the crap kicked out of him by a mob, before being dragged back to Ramirez's vacant cell on Death Row. Any attempt he made to deny he was Richard just got brushed off as more ridiculous B.S., albeit a change of pace from the "devil-worship" nonsense the convicted prisoner ''usually'' spewed. Bruce had wanted nothing more out of life than to emulate the Night Stalker ... and he got to do ''exactly'' that, for more than two decades, before his Satan-altered body finally succumbed to cancerous mutations left over from his physical transformation.]]

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We see how [[spoiler: Bruce (the thumbless killer) was mortally wounded and tossed down a hill, to roll across the Camp's boundaries and die permanently. But we also know that Bruce hung on every word Ramirez said like a fanboy, and that he observed Richard's prayers to Satan at least once. Possibly, bleeding out in the forest and realizing he was damned no matter what he did, Bruce made a last ditch attempt to call on Richard's boss to save his life, begging to be made whole so he could build upon the Night Stalker's legacy. Wishing to tie off the telltale loose ends created by how Richard had used his Satanic powers to escape, but not thrilled at being pestered by the un-servile demands of a petty wannabe who treated killing like a mere ''hobby'', Satan restored Bruce to bodily wholeness as a one-time gift ... but, in the process, transformed him into the spitting image of Richard Ramirez. Next time Bruce strode into a bar or a skating rink expecting to pass unnoticed until he could single out a victim or two, he was [=IDed=] as the Night Stalker and given '''his''' turn to have the crap kicked out of him by a mob, before being dragged back to Ramirez's vacant cell on Death Row. Any attempt he made to deny he was Richard just got brushed off as more ridiculous B.S., albeit a change of pace from the "devil-worship" nonsense the convicted prisoner ''usually'' spewed. Bruce had wanted nothing more out of life than to emulate the Night Stalker ... and he got to do ''exactly'' that, for more than two decades, before his Satan-altered body finally succumbed to cancerous mutations left over from his physical transformation.]]
* [[spoiler: Bruce could have somehow made it to the Hotel Cortez and meet Mr. March before getting thrown back in the slammer. He's the ghost that visits the place for the serial killer "summit", thus tying up all the supposed plot holes.
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** Most likely jossed, since the possibility never comes up with Xavier and Margaret is apparently in perfect health come 1989.
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We see how [[spoiler: Bruce (the thumbless killer) was mortally wounded and tossed down a hill, to roll across the Camp's boundaries and die permanently. But we also know that Bruce hung on every word Ramirez said like a fanboy, and that he observed Richard's prayers to Satan at least once. Possibly, bleeding out in the forest and realizing he was damned no matter what he did, Bruce made a last ditch attempt to call on Richard's boss to save his life, begging to be made whole so he could build upon the Night Stalker's legacy. Wishing to tie off the telltale loose ends created by how Richard had used his Satanic powers to escape, but not thrilled at being pestered by the un-servile demands of a petty wannabe who treated killing like a mere ''hobby'', Satan restored Bruce to bodily wholeness as a one-time gift ... but, in the process, transformed him into the spitting image of Richard Ramirez. Next time Bruce strode into a bar or a skating rink expecting to pass unnoticed until he could single out a victim or two, he was IDed as the Night Stalker and given '''his''' turn to have the crap kicked out of him by a mob, before being dragged back to Ramirez's vacant cell on Death Row. Any attempt he made to deny he was Richard just got brushed off as more ridiculous B.S., albeit a change of pace from the "devil-worship" nonsense the convicted prisoner ''usually'' spewed. Bruce had wanted nothing more out of life than to emulate the Night Stalker ... and he got to do ''exactly'' that, for more than two decades, before his Satan-altered body finally succumbed to cancerous mutations left over from his physical transformation.]]

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We see how [[spoiler: Bruce (the thumbless killer) was mortally wounded and tossed down a hill, to roll across the Camp's boundaries and die permanently. But we also know that Bruce hung on every word Ramirez said like a fanboy, and that he observed Richard's prayers to Satan at least once. Possibly, bleeding out in the forest and realizing he was damned no matter what he did, Bruce made a last ditch attempt to call on Richard's boss to save his life, begging to be made whole so he could build upon the Night Stalker's legacy. Wishing to tie off the telltale loose ends created by how Richard had used his Satanic powers to escape, but not thrilled at being pestered by the un-servile demands of a petty wannabe who treated killing like a mere ''hobby'', Satan restored Bruce to bodily wholeness as a one-time gift ... but, in the process, transformed him into the spitting image of Richard Ramirez. Next time Bruce strode into a bar or a skating rink expecting to pass unnoticed until he could single out a victim or two, he was IDed [=IDed=] as the Night Stalker and given '''his''' turn to have the crap kicked out of him by a mob, before being dragged back to Ramirez's vacant cell on Death Row. Any attempt he made to deny he was Richard just got brushed off as more ridiculous B.S., albeit a change of pace from the "devil-worship" nonsense the convicted prisoner ''usually'' spewed. Bruce had wanted nothing more out of life than to emulate the Night Stalker ... and he got to do ''exactly'' that, for more than two decades, before his Satan-altered body finally succumbed to cancerous mutations left over from his physical transformation.]]

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We see how [[spoiler: Bruce (the thumbless killer) was mortally wounded and tossed down a hill, to roll across the Camp's boundaries and die permanently. But we also know that Bruce hung on every word Ramirez said like a fanboy, and that he observed Richard's prayers to Satan at least once. Possibly, bleeding out in the forest and realizing he was damned no matter what he did, Bruce made a last ditch attempt to call on Richard's boss to save his life, begging to be made whole so he could build upon the Night Stalker's legacy. Wishing to tie off the telltale loose ends created by how Richard had used his Satanic powers to escape, but not thrilled at being pestered by the un-servile demands of a petty wannabe who treated killing like a mere ''hobby'', Satan restored Bruce to bodily wholeness as a one-time gift ... but, in the process, transformed him into the spitting image of Richard Ramirez. Next time Bruce strode into a bar or a skating rink expecting to pass unnoticed until he could single out a victim or two, he was IDed as the Night Stalker and given '''his''' turn to have the crap kicked out of him by a mob, before being dragged back to Ramirez's vacant cell on Death Row. Any attempt he made to deny he was Richard just got brushed off as more ridiculous B.S., albeit a change of pace from the "devil-worship" nonsense the convicted prisoner ''usually'' spewed.
Bruce had wanted nothing more out of life than to emulate the Night Stalker ... and he got to do ''exactly'' that, for more than two decades, before his Satan-altered body finally succumbed to cancerous mutations left over from his physical transformation.]]

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We see how [[spoiler: Bruce (the thumbless killer) was mortally wounded and tossed down a hill, to roll across the Camp's boundaries and die permanently. But we also know that Bruce hung on every word Ramirez said like a fanboy, and that he observed Richard's prayers to Satan at least once. Possibly, bleeding out in the forest and realizing he was damned no matter what he did, Bruce made a last ditch attempt to call on Richard's boss to save his life, begging to be made whole so he could build upon the Night Stalker's legacy. Wishing to tie off the telltale loose ends created by how Richard had used his Satanic powers to escape, but not thrilled at being pestered by the un-servile demands of a petty wannabe who treated killing like a mere ''hobby'', Satan restored Bruce to bodily wholeness as a one-time gift ... but, in the process, transformed him into the spitting image of Richard Ramirez. Next time Bruce strode into a bar or a skating rink expecting to pass unnoticed until he could single out a victim or two, he was IDed as the Night Stalker and given '''his''' turn to have the crap kicked out of him by a mob, before being dragged back to Ramirez's vacant cell on Death Row. Any attempt he made to deny he was Richard just got brushed off as more ridiculous B.S., albeit a change of pace from the "devil-worship" nonsense the convicted prisoner ''usually'' spewed. \n Bruce had wanted nothing more out of life than to emulate the Night Stalker ... and he got to do ''exactly'' that, for more than two decades, before his Satan-altered body finally succumbed to cancerous mutations left over from his physical transformation.]]
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Bruce had wanted to emulate the Night Stalker ... and he got exactly that, for more than two decades, before his Satan-altered body finally succumbed to cancerous mutations left over from his physical transformation.]]

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Bruce had wanted nothing more out of life than to emulate the Night Stalker ... and he got exactly to do ''exactly'' that, for more than two decades, before his Satan-altered body finally succumbed to cancerous mutations left over from his physical transformation.]]

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We see how [[spoiler: Bruce (the thumbless killer) was mortally wounded and tossed down a hill, to roll across the Camp's boundaries and die permanently. But we also know that Bruce hung on every word Ramirez said like a fanboy, and that he observed Richard's prayers to Satan at least once. Possibly, bleeding out in the forest and realizing he was damned no matter what he did, Bruce made a last ditch attempt to call on Richard's boss to save his life, begging to be made whole so he could build upon the Night Stalker's legacy. Wishing to tie off the telltale loose ends created by how Richard had used his Satanic powers to escape, but not thrilled at being pestered by the un-servile demands of a petty wannabe who treated killing like a mere ''hobby'', Satan restored Bruce to bodily wholeness as a one-time gift ... but, in the process, transformed him into the spitting image of Richard Ramirez. Next time Bruce strode into a bar or a skating rink expecting to pass unnoticed until he could single out a victim or two, he was IDed as the Night Stalker and given '''his''' turn to have the crap kicked out of him by a mob, before being dragged back to Ramirez's vacant cell on Death Row. Any attempt he made to deny he was Richard just got brushed off as more ridiculous B.S., albeit a change of pace from the "devil-worship" nonsense the convicted prisoner ''usually'' spewed.

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We see how [[spoiler: Bruce (the thumbless killer) was mortally wounded and tossed down a hill, to roll across the Camp's boundaries and die permanently. But we also know that Bruce hung on every word Ramirez said like a fanboy, and that he observed Richard's prayers to Satan at least once. Possibly, bleeding out in the forest and realizing he was damned no matter what he did, Bruce made a last ditch attempt to call on Richard's boss to save his life, begging to be made whole so he could build upon the Night Stalker's legacy. Wishing to tie off the telltale loose ends created by how Richard had used his Satanic powers to escape, but not thrilled at being pestered by the un-servile demands of a petty wannabe who treated killing like a mere ''hobby'', Satan restored Bruce to bodily wholeness as a one-time gift ... but, in the process, transformed him into the spitting image of Richard Ramirez. Next time Bruce strode into a bar or a skating rink expecting to pass unnoticed until he could single out a victim or two, he was IDed as the Night Stalker and given '''his''' turn to have the crap kicked out of him by a mob, before being dragged back to Ramirez's vacant cell on Death Row. Any attempt he made to deny he was Richard just got brushed off as more ridiculous B.S., albeit a change of pace from the "devil-worship" nonsense the convicted prisoner ''usually'' spewed.
Bruce had wanted to emulate the Night Stalker ... and he got exactly that, for more than two decades, before his Satan-altered body finally succumbed to cancerous mutations left over from his physical transformation.]]
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* {{Jossed}}, Sarah Paulson has confirmed that she will not be in the season.

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* {{Jossed}}, Sarah Paulson has confirmed that she will not be in the season.season.

[[WMG: History's account of Richard Ramirez's death from cancer isn't invalidated by these events, just deceived due to Satan getting back at a bumbling wannabe.]]
We see how [[spoiler: Bruce (the thumbless killer) was mortally wounded and tossed down a hill, to roll across the Camp's boundaries and die permanently. But we also know that Bruce hung on every word Ramirez said like a fanboy, and that he observed Richard's prayers to Satan at least once. Possibly, bleeding out in the forest and realizing he was damned no matter what he did, Bruce made a last ditch attempt to call on Richard's boss to save his life, begging to be made whole so he could build upon the Night Stalker's legacy. Wishing to tie off the telltale loose ends created by how Richard had used his Satanic powers to escape, but not thrilled at being pestered by the un-servile demands of a petty wannabe who treated killing like a mere ''hobby'', Satan restored Bruce to bodily wholeness as a one-time gift ... but, in the process, transformed him into the spitting image of Richard Ramirez. Next time Bruce strode into a bar or a skating rink expecting to pass unnoticed until he could single out a victim or two, he was IDed as the Night Stalker and given '''his''' turn to have the crap kicked out of him by a mob, before being dragged back to Ramirez's vacant cell on Death Row. Any attempt he made to deny he was Richard just got brushed off as more ridiculous B.S., albeit a change of pace from the "devil-worship" nonsense the convicted prisoner ''usually'' spewed.
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* Indeterminate. Richard Ramirez seems to have the favor of Satan, but his supernatural powers are extremely limited. [[spoiler:He's also still alive in 2019.]]
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** Jossed. Sarah Paulson doesn't end up appearing at all.



** Confirmed as of the first episode, though it remains to be seen if she truly is as she seems.

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** Confirmed as of the first episode, though it remains to be seen if she truly is as she seems.
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** Jossed
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* Jossed, at least about it happening within the next episode. The time jump is only 5 years and Brooke is still played by Emma Roberts.

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* Jossed, at least about it happening within the next episode. The time jump is only 5 years and Brooke is still played by Emma Roberts.Roberts.
* {{Jossed}}, Sarah Paulson has confirmed that she will not be in the season.
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* That would require far more than trapping everyone at Camp Redwood; We've seen crowds of people in many locations as the show has gone on, including ''Alaska''; even in ''AHS'', I doubt any group has the resources to brainwash ''that many'' people and not have any hiccups.




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* Jossed. Camp Redwood was closed down.
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** Jossed by this point.

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The promo next episode shows that the camp has a Keep Out sign which means that it has been abandoned and we don’t know for how long. Sarah is supposed to appear in a reduced role. So we could time jump to the 90s or 2000s and see an older Brooke played by Sarah Paulson.

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The promo for the next episode shows that the camp has a Keep Out sign which means that it has been abandoned and we don’t know for how long. Sarah is supposed to appear in a reduced role. So we could time jump to the 90s or 2000s and see an older Brooke played by Sarah Paulson.Paulson.
* Jossed, at least about it happening within the next episode. The time jump is only 5 years and Brooke is still played by Emma Roberts.
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** Also, police were perfectly capable of testing hands for gunpowder residue in 1984.
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Yes, he killed people ''off''-screen, and yes, he took Jonas out (twice) on a temporary basis. But so far, the writers have been having fun letting Mr. Jingles, the ''slasher-movie'' version of a SerialKiller, hack up victims right and left in every single episode, while the ''actual'' historical killer keeps missing his targets. Indeed, so far we've seen the ''camp staff'' kill more people [[spoiler: (Ray killing a frat pledge in flashback, Xavier mercy-killing Bertie, Trevor knocking a townie into the pit trap, Margaret knifing Trevor)]] than the Night Stalker has!

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Yes, he killed people ''off''-screen, and yes, he took Jonas out (twice) on a temporary basis. But so far, the writers have been having fun letting Mr. Jingles, the ''slasher-movie'' version of a SerialKiller, hack up victims right and left in every single episode, while the ''actual'' historical killer keeps missing his targets. Indeed, so far we've seen the ''camp staff'' kill more people [[spoiler: (Ray killing a frat pledge in flashback, Xavier mercy-killing Bertie, Trevor knocking a townie into the pit trap, Margaret knifing Trevor)]] Trevor and Xavier, Brooke stabbing Montana in self-defense)]] than the Night Stalker has!
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[[WMG: The next episode will feature a time jump and Brooke will return and be played by Sarah Paulson]]

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[[WMG: The next episode will feature a time jump and Brooke will return and be played by Sarah Paulson]]
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Since its the 80s Xavier is a [[spoiler: former drug addict and has had presumably unprotected sex while doing porn it is very likely that he is HIV+]] while in the show Margaret has [[spoiler: fatally stabbed Xavier and later stabbed herself with the same knife that still Xavier's blood on it]] it is likely that she has gotten it from him.

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Since its the 80s Xavier is a [[spoiler: former drug addict and has had presumably unprotected sex while doing porn it is very likely that he is HIV+]] while in the show Margaret has [[spoiler: fatally stabbed Xavier and later stabbed herself with the same knife that still Xavier's blood on it]] it is likely that she has gotten it from him.him.
[[WMG: The next episode will feature a time jump and Brooke will return and be played by Sarah Paulson]]
The promo next episode shows that the camp has a Keep Out sign which means that it has been abandoned and we don’t know for how long. Sarah is supposed to appear in a reduced role. So we could time jump to the 90s or 2000s and see an older Brooke played by Sarah Paulson.
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Yes, he killed people ''off''-screen, and yes, he took Jonas out (twice) on a temporary basis. But so far, the writers have been having fun letting Mr. Jingles, the ''slasher-movie'' version of a SerialKiller, hack up victims right and left in every single episode, while the ''actual'' historical killer keeps missing his targets. Indeed, so far we've seen the ''camp staff'' kill more people [[spoiler: (Ray killing a frat pledge in flashback, Xavier mercy-killing Bertie, Trevor knocking a townie into the pit trap, Margaret knifing Trevor)]] than the Night Stalker has!

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Yes, he killed people ''off''-screen, and yes, he took Jonas out (twice) on a temporary basis. But so far, the writers have been having fun letting Mr. Jingles, the ''slasher-movie'' version of a SerialKiller, hack up victims right and left in every single episode, while the ''actual'' historical killer keeps missing his targets. Indeed, so far we've seen the ''camp staff'' kill more people [[spoiler: (Ray killing a frat pledge in flashback, Xavier mercy-killing Bertie, Trevor knocking a townie into the pit trap, Margaret knifing Trevor)]] than the Night Stalker has!has!

[[WMG: Xavier and Margaret have AIDS or at least HIV+]]
Since its the 80s Xavier is a [[spoiler: former drug addict and has had presumably unprotected sex while doing porn it is very likely that he is HIV+]] while in the show Margaret has [[spoiler: fatally stabbed Xavier and later stabbed herself with the same knife that still Xavier's blood on it]] it is likely that she has gotten it from him.
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Yes, he killed people ''off''-screen, and yes, he took Jonas out (twice) on a temporary basis. But so far, the writers have been having fun letting Mr. Jingles, the ''slasher-movie'' version of a SerialKiller, hack up victims right and left in every single episode, while the ''actual'' historical killer keeps missing his targets. Indeed, so far we've seen the ''counselors'' kill more people [[spoiler: (Ray killing a frat pledge in flashback, Xavier mercy-killing Bertie, Trevor knocking a townie into the pit trap, Margaret knifing Trevor)]] than the Night Stalker has!

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Yes, he killed people ''off''-screen, and yes, he took Jonas out (twice) on a temporary basis. But so far, the writers have been having fun letting Mr. Jingles, the ''slasher-movie'' version of a SerialKiller, hack up victims right and left in every single episode, while the ''actual'' historical killer keeps missing his targets. Indeed, so far we've seen the ''counselors'' ''camp staff'' kill more people [[spoiler: (Ray killing a frat pledge in flashback, Xavier mercy-killing Bertie, Trevor knocking a townie into the pit trap, Margaret knifing Trevor)]] than the Night Stalker has!
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Yes, he killed people ''off''-screen, and yes, he took Jonas out (twice) on a temporary basis. But so far, the writers have been having fun letting Mr. Jingles, the ''slasher-movie'' version of a SerialKiller, hack up victims right and left in every single episode, while the ''actual'' historical killer keeps missing his targets.

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Yes, he killed people ''off''-screen, and yes, he took Jonas out (twice) on a temporary basis. But so far, the writers have been having fun letting Mr. Jingles, the ''slasher-movie'' version of a SerialKiller, hack up victims right and left in every single episode, while the ''actual'' historical killer keeps missing his targets. Indeed, so far we've seen the ''counselors'' kill more people [[spoiler: (Ray killing a frat pledge in flashback, Xavier mercy-killing Bertie, Trevor knocking a townie into the pit trap, Margaret knifing Trevor)]] than the Night Stalker has!

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