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** If you level grind and defeat Rowd at Kyaro, in what is normally a HopelessBossFight, he looks flustered and calls for more troops that ZergRush you and capture you.



* GenkiGirl: Nanami, Nina (to the annoyance of Flik), Wakaba

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* GenkiGirl: Nanami, Nina (to the annoyance of Flik), WakabaWakaba, Meg and Millie all qualify.



* GoldenEnding: If you get all 108 stars, and make the right choices in game, [[spoiler:Jowy and Nanami will both live and go on adventuring with the hero after the game is finished]].



** Flik, the '[[RedBaron Blue Lightning]]', returns. He has the best affinity possible with the Thunder rune, making him deals more damages with it than most characters.

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** Flik, the '[[RedBaron Blue Lightning]]', returns. He has the best above-average affinity possible with the Thunder rune, making him deals deal 20% more damages with it than most characters.characters.
** Mazus, Killey, Meg, Millie and Sierra all have top affinity with the Lightning/Thunder rune and deal 40% more damage with it.
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To those who want to play the game but cannot afford to shell out anywhere from $100 to over $500 for a copy, ''UsefulNotes/PlaystationNetwork'' released the game as a [=PlayStation=] Classic in December 2014 in North America, and January 2015 in Europe. And should the store has issues in the future, you can get this game bundled with [[VideoGame/{{Suikoden I}} the first game]] with ''[[CompilationRerelease Suikoden I & II HD Remaster: Gate Rune and Dunan Unification Wars]]''.

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To those who want to play the game but cannot afford to shell out anywhere from $100 to over $500 for a copy, ''UsefulNotes/PlaystationNetwork'' released the game as a [=PlayStation=] Classic in December 2014 in North America, and January 2015 in Europe. And should the store has have issues in the future, you can get this game bundled with [[VideoGame/{{Suikoden I}} the first game]] with ''[[CompilationRerelease Suikoden I & II HD Remaster: Gate Rune and Dunan Unification Wars]]''.
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To those who want to play the game but cannot afford to shell out anywhere from $100 to over $500 for a copy, ''UsefulNotes/PlaystationNetwork'' released the game as a [=PlayStation=] Classic in December 2014 in North America, and January 2015 in Europe.

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To those who want to play the game but cannot afford to shell out anywhere from $100 to over $500 for a copy, ''UsefulNotes/PlaystationNetwork'' released the game as a [=PlayStation=] Classic in December 2014 in North America, and January 2015 in Europe. And should the store has issues in the future, you can get this game bundled with [[VideoGame/{{Suikoden I}} the first game]] with ''[[CompilationRerelease Suikoden I & II HD Remaster: Gate Rune and Dunan Unification Wars]]''.
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[[TimeSkip Three years]] after the events of the [[VideoGame/SuikodenI original game]], the nation of Jowston has just signed a ceasefire with the Highland Kingdom. The protagonist, an orphan adopted by the late hero Genkaku, has just joined the army alongside his best friend Jowy. However, they fall afoul of one of the most twisted examples of a FalseFlagOperation ever attempted, courtesy of Luca Blight. Barely escaping this fate, they soon find themselves saddling with the two halves of the [[EmpathicWeapon Rune of the Beginning]], the [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[StormOfBlades Sword]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Rune]] and the [[LightTheWay Bright]] [[WhiteMagic Shield]] [[HolyHandGrenade Rune]]. From there, their paths split, as the protagonist takes the [[LaResistance traditional hero's route]] and Jowy sets out to break the system from within, setting the stage for a war where both sides fight for the exact same goal.

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[[TimeSkip Three years]] after the events of the [[VideoGame/SuikodenI original game]], the nation City-States of Jowston has have just signed a ceasefire with the Highland Kingdom. The protagonist, an orphan adopted by the late hero Genkaku, has just joined the army alongside his best friend Jowy. However, they fall afoul of one of the most twisted examples of a FalseFlagOperation ever attempted, courtesy of Luca Blight. Barely escaping this fate, they soon find themselves saddling with the two halves of the [[EmpathicWeapon Rune of the Beginning]], the [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[StormOfBlades Sword]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Rune]] and the [[LightTheWay Bright]] [[WhiteMagic Shield]] [[HolyHandGrenade Rune]]. From there, their paths split, as the protagonist takes the [[LaResistance traditional hero's route]] and Jowy sets out to break the system from within, setting the stage for a war where both sides fight for the exact same goal.
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** Speaking of time limits... [[spoiler:Preventing Nanami's death]] requires (among quite a few other things) extremely quick selection on a particular dialogue choice. Even if you get it ''right'', the game won't tell you if you got it right until [[spoiler:the scene where doctor Huan declares her dead. If you get it right, there is a short additional dialogue in which Huan asks Shu to follow him inside the infirmary. The nature of why Huan asked Shu inside is revealed in the GoldenEnding.]]

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** Speaking of time limits... [[spoiler:Preventing Nanami's death]] requires (among quite a few other things) extremely quick selection on a particular dialogue choice. Even if you get it ''right'', the game won't tell you if you got it right until [[spoiler:the scene where doctor Huan declares her dead. If you get it right, there is a short additional dialogue in which Huan asks Shu to follow him inside the infirmary. The nature of why Huan asked Shu inside is only revealed in the GoldenEnding.]]
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* PostVictoryCollapse: After [[spoiler:finally defeating Luca Blight in a long and harrowing battle]], Riou faints from exhaustion as soon as he returns to his headquarters.
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** The most significant is when Nanami offers the player the choice of simply running away from the conflict. Accepting triggers an entire optional quest that can lead to a BadEnding.
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Leon is Jowy's strategist and is implicitly responsible for his winning strategy at Greenhill, one of the most impressive victories by either side in the game.


* InformedAbility: On paper, Leon Silverberg is the greatest strategist in the series but from what we see in the actual game, he can't hold a candle to Shu, let alone [[VideoGame/SuikodenV Lucretia Merces]] or [[VideoGame/SuikodenIII Albert Silverberg]]. He does, however, acknowledge that his reputation is overblown, and that he's past his prime.
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%%* * PsychoForHire: Yuber.Yuber once again signs on with the antagonistic faction (i.e. Highland) for no other reason than to just cause more carnage and chaos.



** Seed and Culgan.
** Viktor and Flik are their similarly colour-coded Alliance counterparts.
** Miklotov and Camus as well. Interestingly, they lead the Blue and Red Knights, respectively, opposite of what their personalities dictate.
** Tengaar and Hix.

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** Seed and Culgan.
Culgan. The former is young and brash, while the former is older and more methodical.
** Viktor and Flik are their similarly colour-coded Alliance counterparts.
counterparts, with the former being the BoisterousBruiser, while the latter is the more levelheaded and melancholy MagicKnight.
** Miklotov and Camus as well. Interestingly, they lead the Blue and Red Knights, respectively, opposite of what their personalities dictate.
dictate, with Miklotov being HotBlooded while Camus is calm.
** Tengaar and Hix. She's a temperamental {{Tsundere}} who's always aggressively trying to get Hix to man up, and he's a gloomy young warrior still struggling with insecurity.

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* BoisterousBruiser: Viktor once more.



* EmpathicWeapon: The Star Dragon Sword once again.

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The Star Dragon Sword once again.



* FogOfDoom: The first boss fight in the game.

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* FogOfDoom: The first boss fight in the game.boss, Mist Shade, is a creature made of living fog.



* TheGunslinger: Elza

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* TheGunslinger: ElzaClive, Elza and pretty much anyone else from the Howling Voice Guild.



* HeroAntagonist: Jowy
* HeroicBSOD: Poor, ''poor'' Pilika.

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* LovesTheSoundOfScreaming: Luca Blight

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* PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo: As an OldSaveBonus you can meet and recruit the protagonist from the first game. [[GameBreaker And he's awesome.]]

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* PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo: As an OldSaveBonus you can meet and recruit the protagonist from the first game. [[GameBreaker And he's awesome.]]



* PsychoForHire: Yuber

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* {{Tomboy}}: Wakaba.
** Nanami as well.
** Tengaar, who is bossing around poor Hix.



%%* TwoGuysAndAGirl: Riou, Jowy and Nanami.

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%%* * TwoGuysAndAGirl: The three main characters: Riou, Jowy and Nanami.



%%* VoluntaryShapeShifter: Bob.
%%* WarriorPrince: Luca Blight, yet again.

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WarriorPrince: Prince Luca Blight, yet again.Blight glorifies war and fight in the frontlines.



* WingedHumanoid: The Wingers.

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* WingedHumanoid: The Wingers.Wingers, humanoid being with bat-like wings that live in Two River City.
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* FailedASpotCheck: When Riou and Jowy are about to be executed, Rowd rambles and taunts them, saying they should enjoy the sunset since this will be their last one. He himself gazes upon it, mulling over having to babysit kids and that now his bad luck has finally run out, dreaming aloud about his future job. While he is doing so, we can hear that the whipping has stopped and noticably loud slashing sounds, that Rowd completely fail to notice. When he 'finally' notices, Viktor and Flik have completely routed his troops and saved Riou and Jowy. [[DirtyCoward Rowd promptly flees.]]

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* FailedASpotCheck: When Riou and Jowy are about to be executed, Rowd rambles and taunts them, saying they should enjoy the sunset since this will be their last one. He himself gazes upon it, mulling over having to babysit kids and that now his bad luck has finally run out, dreaming aloud about his future job. While he is doing so, we can hear that the whipping has stopped and noticably loud slashing sounds, that Rowd completely fail to notice. When he 'finally' ''finally'' notices, Viktor and Flik have completely routed his troops and saved Riou and Jowy. [[DirtyCoward Rowd promptly flees.]]
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** Bad word choice is everywhere. The scene you get for completing [[spoiler:Clive's quest]] and its insane criteria is [[PlayerPunch nearly nonsensical.]]

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** Bad word choice is everywhere. The scene you get for completing [[spoiler:Clive's quest]] Clive's quest and its insane criteria is [[PlayerPunch nearly nonsensical.]]



* SmugSnake: Neclord.

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* %%* SmugSnake: Neclord.



* TheStrategist: Shu, you MagnificentBastard!

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* TheStrategist: Shu, you MagnificentBastard!There is Apple and Shu for your army, and Leon Silverberg for the Highland Kingdom. Mathiu from the first game is also mentioned.
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* ThoseTwoBadGuys: Seed and Culgan.
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* FeelingTheirAge: Viktor fails to catch Rowd as the latter is fleeing, commenting that he could have caught him a few years ago, and that his body has been feeling like lead lately. Considering that Viktor is only 32 years old and an incredibly muscular beast of a man, in better shape than most, this comes off as rather comical.
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* FailedASpotCheck: When Riou and Jowy are about to be executed, Rowd rambles and taunts them, saying they should enjoy the sunset since this will be their last one. He himself gazes upon it, mulling over having to babysit kids and that now his bad luck has finally run out, dreaming aloud about his future job. While he is doing so, we can hear that the whipping has stopped and noticably loud slashing sounds, that Rowd completely fail to notice. When he 'finally' notices, Viktor and Flik have completely routed his troops and saved Riou and Jowy. [[DirtyCoward Rowd promptly flees.]]
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* ToWinWithoutFighting: Jowy's BatmanGambit to capture Greenhill. They released some prisoners of war from Muse into Greenhill, so Greenhill thought Highland just wanted to fight fair and square. However, [[SheatheYourSword the Highland Army laid siege to the city but did not attack at all for several days]]. This resulted in a food shortage so bad that ''[[EnemyCivilWar a civil war erupted between the citizens of Greenhill and the Muse Soldiers within the city's walls.]]''. Sounds bad? The Highland Army freed the Muse soldiers and returned their weapons specifically for that purpose. As Teresa says, Greenhill lost to an handful (roughly 5,000 men) of Highland soldiers without even having fought.

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* ToWinWithoutFighting: Jowy's BatmanGambit to capture Greenhill. They He released some prisoners of war from Muse into Greenhill, so Greenhill thought Highland just wanted to fight fair and square. However, [[SheatheYourSword the Highland Army laid siege to the city but did not attack at all for several days]]. This resulted in a food shortage so bad that ''[[EnemyCivilWar [[EnemyCivilWar a civil war erupted between the citizens of Greenhill and the Muse Soldiers within the city's walls.]]''. ]]. Sounds bad? The Highland Army Jowy freed the Muse soldiers and returned their weapons specifically for that purpose. As Teresa says, Greenhill lost to an handful (roughly 5,000 men) of Highland soldiers without even having fought.
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* ToWinWithoutFighting: Highland's BatmanGambit to capture Greenhill. They released some [=POWs=] from Muse into Greenhill, so Greenhill thought Highland just wanted to fight fair and square. However, [[SheatheYourSword the Highland Arny laid siege into the city btu did not attack at all for a few days]] . This resulted to a food shortage so bad that ''[[EnemyCivilWar a civil war erupted between the citizens of Greenhill and the Muse Soldiers within the walla of the city.]]''. Sounds bad? The Highland Army freed the Muse soldiers and returned their weapons ''specifically for that purpose''. As Teresa says, Greenhill lost handful (5,000 men) of Highland soldiers ''without even having fought''.

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* ToWinWithoutFighting: Highland's Jowy's BatmanGambit to capture Greenhill. They released some [=POWs=] prisoners of war from Muse into Greenhill, so Greenhill thought Highland just wanted to fight fair and square. However, [[SheatheYourSword the Highland Arny Army laid siege into to the city btu but did not attack at all for a few days]] . several days]]. This resulted to in a food shortage so bad that ''[[EnemyCivilWar a civil war erupted between the citizens of Greenhill and the Muse Soldiers within the walla of the city.city's walls.]]''. Sounds bad? The Highland Army freed the Muse soldiers and returned their weapons ''specifically specifically for that purpose''. purpose. As Teresa says, Greenhill lost to an handful (5,000 (roughly 5,000 men) of Highland soldiers ''without without even having fought''.fought.



* TraumaCongaLine: A few. [[spoiler:Notably, the main character goes through one that arcs across the entire game, especially if you don't get the GoodEnding. He's betrayed by his captain, betrayed by his friend, and loses his sister in the ensuing war. Pilika is also a fair contender for this]]

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* TraumaCongaLine: A few. [[spoiler:Notably, the main character goes through one that arcs across the entire game, especially if you don't get the GoodEnding. He's betrayed by his captain, betrayed by his friend, and loses his sister in the ensuing war. Pilika is also a fair contender for this]]this.]]
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* RasputinianDeath: Luca Blight. It takes tons of effort to finally do him in. First, there's an army battle where your entire army attempts to crush his unit and fails. Then, thanks to his lieutenants betraying him, Luca's small raiding party is surrounded and attacked by the entire Jowston army. Then the hero, Flik, and Victor each lead a full-sized party of what could be considered elite soldiers into a three-stage boss fight where (unless the player's done some level grinding) Luca still nearly stomps everyone flat. Luca then escapes, and is shot by an entire unit of archers. When Riou finally finds Luca, he charges Riou and forces a duel, in which the usual dialogue tells are a bit unreliable compared to before, leading the player to make guesses. While Luca is a death's door and one or two Wild attacks are way enough to beat him, there is still the very real possibility that, should you pick too many times wrong options and didn't heal Riou before starting the duel, Luca actually kills you.
-->''Luca'': [[LargeHam "It took hundreds to kill me, but I killed by the thousands! Look at me! I am sublime! I am the true face of evil!"]]

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* RasputinianDeath: Luca Blight. It takes tons of effort to finally do him in. First, there's an army battle where your entire army attempts to crush his unit and fails. Then, thanks to his lieutenants betraying him, Luca's small raiding party is surrounded and attacked by the entire Jowston army. Then the hero, Flik, and Victor each lead a full-sized party of what could be considered elite soldiers into a three-stage boss fight where (unless the player's done some level grinding) Luca still nearly stomps everyone flat. Luca then escapes, and is shot by an entire unit of archers. When Riou finally finds Luca, he charges Riou and forces a duel, in which the usual dialogue tells are a bit unreliable compared to before, leading the player to make guesses. While Luca is a death's door and one or two Wild attacks are way enough to beat him, there is still the very real possibility that, should you pick too many times wrong options and didn't heal Riou before starting the duel, Luca actually kills you.
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you. It is only after Luca gets some solid tonfa hits that, finally, his body gives in.
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[[LargeHam "It took hundreds to kill me, but I killed by the thousands! Look at me! I am sublime! I am the true face of evil!"]]

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Conversation In The Main Page (ie. natter). Also, Luca's HP during the final duel is fixed at roughly 25%, how you did before has no consequences (though Luca's HP during the three stage boss fight is shared between encounters, so if you didn't do well enough with the first two teams, Riou's team will have a bad time depleting his HP).


* RasputinianDeath: Luca Blight. It takes tons of effort to finally do him in.
** [[LargeHam "It took hundreds to kill me, but I killed by the thousands! Look at me! I am sublime! I am the true face of evil!"]]
** not quite, if you are good at duels it does not matter how much HP he has left. Just don't mess up...once
** Even worse, the first few times, you're likely to fail in the duel at the end. Have fun doing it over.
** To clarify: First, there's an army battle where your entire army attempts to crush his unit [[spoiler: and fails. Then, thanks to his lieutenants betraying him,]] Luca's small raiding party is surrounded and attacked by the entire Jowston army. Then the hero, Flik, and Victor each lead a full-sized party of what could be considered elite soldiers into a three-stage boss fight where (unless the player's done some level grinding) Luca still nearly stomps everyone flat. Luca then escapes, and is shot by an entire unit of archers. When Riou finally finds Luca, he charges Riou and forces a duel, which if you didn't do enough damage to him in the aforementioned three-stage boss fight, can be so difficult as to be UnWinnable. He only expires ''after'' he's been beaten to near-death with tonfa.

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* RasputinianDeath: Luca Blight. It takes tons of effort to finally do him in.
** [[LargeHam "It took hundreds to kill me, but I killed by the thousands! Look at me! I am sublime! I am the true face of evil!"]]
** not quite, if you are good at duels it does not matter how much HP he has left. Just don't mess up...once
** Even worse, the first few times, you're likely to fail in the duel at the end. Have fun doing it over.
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in. First, there's an army battle where your entire army attempts to crush his unit [[spoiler: and fails. Then, thanks to his lieutenants betraying him,]] him, Luca's small raiding party is surrounded and attacked by the entire Jowston army. Then the hero, Flik, and Victor each lead a full-sized party of what could be considered elite soldiers into a three-stage boss fight where (unless the player's done some level grinding) Luca still nearly stomps everyone flat. Luca then escapes, and is shot by an entire unit of archers. When Riou finally finds Luca, he charges Riou and forces a duel, in which if the usual dialogue tells are a bit unreliable compared to before, leading the player to make guesses. While Luca is a death's door and one or two Wild attacks are way enough to beat him, there is still the very real possibility that, should you pick too many times wrong options and didn't do enough damage to him in heal Riou before starting the aforementioned three-stage boss fight, can be so difficult as duel, Luca actually kills you.
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** It's not just the text -- entire pieces of music are missing. The [[RuleOfDrama especially dramatic ones]], like the battlefield theme and when Annalee sings. What should have been highlights in the game are rendered several minutes of unskippable, awkward silence.
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** It's not just the text -- entire pieces of music are missing. The [[RuleOfDrama especially dramatic ones]], like the battlefield theme and when Annalee sings. What should have been highlights in the game are rendered several minutes of unskippable, awkward silence.
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* FiveManBand: The squirrel squad seem to be a parody of the stock ''Franchise/SuperSentai team'' composition:
** TheLeader: Mukumuku; the leader of the pack who wears red and is described as being brave with a strong sense of honor.
** TheLancer: Makumaku; the second-in-command of the pack who wears blue and is described as being cool on the outside but ferocious on the inside.
** TheBigGuy: Mokumoku; the biggest and strongest of the pack who wears yellow and is described as being a BigEater.
** TheSmartGuy: Mekumeku; the best mage of the pack who wears green and is described as being hard-working yet lighthearted.
** TheChick: Mikumiku; the only girl in the pack who wears pink and is described as being kind and curious.

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* BigBookOfWar: With respect to Silverberg's strategy; lampshaded by Leon and Shu. "Never put your own life in danger, that's the first rule of the book." "I had to throw away the book, you read it too many times."

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* AIRoulette: [[FinalBoss Beast Rune]].

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* AIRoulette: [[FinalBoss Beast Rune]].The final boss attack patern.



* CanonName: Though the protagonist has no official name, the Japanese novelization and drama CD gave him the name of Riou, which has become a common FanNickname for the character. The name "Tao" has been used as well in a manga adaptation.

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* CanonName: Though the protagonist has no official name, the Japanese novelization and drama CD gave him the name of Riou, which has become a common FanNickname for the character.Riou. The name "Tao" has been used as well in a manga adaptation.



* CharacterDevelopment: Among others, Flik continues his evolution into a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]].

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* CombatByChampion: Surprisingly subverted, considering the number of one-on-one fights that Riou engages in with important people. Riou's duels only occur either ''after'' the "combat by army-scale slaughter" parts, or in places completely unrelated to large-scale conflict.

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* GameBreakingBug: Thanks some really bad programming, certain items will glitch and become unavailable if you trigger certain conditions (the notorious Recipe 12 and 34 glitch being the worst).

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* KickTheDog: Luca Blight recklessly does this for [[IncrediblyLamePun kicks]]. Shu also engages in a fair amount of puppy-punting, especially when [[spoiler: he uses Pilika as a human shield and abandons her to the enemy so that the hero may escape from an otherwise hopeless trap. Granted, he did this knowing Jowy would never let any harm come to her, but it still came off as rather asshole-ish.]]

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* KickTheDog: Luca Blight recklessly does this for [[IncrediblyLamePun kicks]]. Shu also engages in a fair amount of puppy-punting, especially when [[spoiler: he uses Pilika as a human shield and abandons her to the enemy so that the hero may escape from an otherwise hopeless trap. Granted, he did this knowing Jowy would never let any harm come to her, her and it was by that action that Pilika regained her voice (and she's happier with Jowy anyway), but it still came off as rather asshole-ish.]]asshole-ish, though Shu admitted that [[IDidWhatIHadToDo it's what's necessary and the hero is free to hate him if he wanted.]]]]



* MagikarpPower: Some characters might look like non-consequential or not at all powerful, but if they happen to have three rune slots when leveled up sufficiently, they can surpass even the most obviously powerful-from-get-go characters (such as Georg Prime or Pesmerga) damage-wise as long as you give them the right Rune set up. Chief amongst them are Sheena, Hai Yo and Killey. The catch? The Runes required are rare, at most you can just get ONE (The Double-Strike Rune, and the Double-Beat Rune is basically only if you're lucky at the beginning), and they only shine the greatest when their levels are maxed, and usually you beat the game at around Level 60 maximum, any further levels and stats are only gained if you grind so much, so their potential really shines when you just happen to have a LOT of time to spare (Additionally, the presence of Clive's time-based subquest will hamper this). Therefore, the metagaming is either between whether you want these potentials to blossom (very late-game and needed extra time and efforts), against those who are ready from get-go to help you finish the game quicker.



* {{Narcissist}}: Zamza. He keeps stating in the suggestion box that as long as he's in the party with Riou, they'll keep standing out on top. And he doesn't like it when you take him out of your party. He even tells that he's an important member of Riou's army and complains that he doesn't get his own room.

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* {{Narcissist}}: Zamza. He keeps stating in the suggestion box that as long as he's in the party with Riou, they'll keep standing out on top. And he doesn't like it when you take him out of your party. He even tells that he's an important member of Riou's army and complains that he doesn't get his own room. Ironically, the 'Narcissist' theme doesn't play out for him unlike Simone and Vincent (who are considered as such in-game).



* PitifulWorms: Luca, when he's not comparing everyone else to pigs.

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* TheWorfEffect: The Fire Spears back then was [[VideoGame/SuikodenI the one thing that saved the Toran Liberation Army against the invincible Armored Cavalry of Teo McDohl]]. It's back for ''II'' and after an initial success against Solon Jhee... proceeds to do jack shit against Kiba's reinforcements and especially Luca Blight's White Wolf Army, just as a show of how screwed Viktor's mercenaries are.
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* HateSink: Luca Blight is an obvious one, along with Gorudo. However, there's also one character whose actions weren't at all endearing and not portrayed positively at all: Mayor Darrel of Muse, father of Annabelle. He's basically a GeneralFailure with an extraordinary side serving of UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom. He got too over his head in gaining more grounds for his own territory that he invaded Highland, but lacked the good military experience that he lost a lot of resources for his grandeurs, only being saved by the rise of Genkaku who instead brokered for peace and it seemed to work... until Darrel, for abritary reasons, kept insisting to keep the town Kyaro for himself, triggering failure for the peace treaty leading to the CombatByChampion between City-State's Genkaku and his best bud, Highland's Han Cunningham, which Darrel secretly coated his blade by poison to ensure victory for him; and when Genkaku detected it and lost, he retaliated by exiling him from service forever. And then for spite's sake, he sent a bunch of ruffians to ambush King Agares' entourage, causing his wife to be raped and his son, Luca, becoming the monster he's known of when he grew up. In other words, you can say the war in Dunan started because Darrel is an unrepentant, incompetent ''asshole''. And he's on the City-States side, [[SinsOfOurFathers leaving a lot for Annabelle to clean up with.]] ''Sheesh''.
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** The backstory, at least before Luca came into the scene, was also GreyAndGrayMorality. While Agares might be a coward that caused Luca's downward spiral into evil, he is by no means an avaricious ruler (especially when Kiba would defend his honor after Luca taunted him about it). And on his side is a honorable general like Han Cunningham. On the other hand, the City-States instead had several inept and corrupt people moreso than the current generation. Gorudo started from that generation while Teresa's father Alec Wisemail is a shrewd and ruthless manipulator that [[spoiler:poisoned the previous chieftain of Karaya tribe to lower their influence]]. But amongst the City-States stands a standout hero: Genkaku, who ended up befriending Han and paved way for peace between City-States and Highland... which is single-handedly ruined by the inept Mayor of Muse before Annabelle, her father Darrel, because of his insistence of not losing Kyaro Village. This led to the CombatByChampion where he secretly coated Genkaku's blade with poison in order to make sure City-States won and Han died as a result. Genkaku detected this and didn't raise his sword, causing his fall from grace. So yes, it's a pretty gray conflict overall.

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** The backstory, at least before Luca came into the scene, was also GreyAndGrayMorality. While Agares might be a coward that caused Luca's downward spiral into evil, he is by no means an avaricious ruler (especially when Kiba would defend his honor after Luca taunted him about it). And on his side is a honorable general like Han Cunningham. On the other hand, the City-States instead had several inept and corrupt people moreso than the current generation. Gorudo started from that generation while Teresa's father Alec Wisemail is a shrewd and ruthless manipulator that [[spoiler:poisoned the previous chieftain of Karaya tribe to lower their influence]]. But amongst the City-States stands a standout hero: Genkaku, who ended up befriending Han and paved way for peace between City-States and Highland... which is single-handedly ruined by the inept Mayor of Muse before Annabelle, her father Darrel, because of his insistence of not losing Kyaro Village. This led to the CombatByChampion where he secretly coated Genkaku's blade with poison in order to make sure City-States won and Han died as a result. Genkaku detected this and didn't raise his sword, causing his fall from grace. Not to mention the City-States, not Highlands, already did some scuffles with both the Scarlet Moon Empire and later Toran Republic for territorial disputes. So yes, it's a pretty gray conflict overall.
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** Speaking of time limits... [[spoiler:Preventing Nanami's death]] requires (among quite a few other things) extremely quick selection on a particular dialogue choice. Even if you get it ''right'', the game won't tell you if you got it right until [[spoiler:the scene where doctor Huan declares her dead. If you get it right, there is a short additional dialogue in which Huan asks Shu to follow him inside the infirmary. The nature of why Huan asked Shu inside is revealed in the TrueEnding.]]

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** Speaking of time limits... [[spoiler:Preventing Nanami's death]] requires (among quite a few other things) extremely quick selection on a particular dialogue choice. Even if you get it ''right'', the game won't tell you if you got it right until [[spoiler:the scene where doctor Huan declares her dead. If you get it right, there is a short additional dialogue in which Huan asks Shu to follow him inside the infirmary. The nature of why Huan asked Shu inside is revealed in the TrueEnding.GoldenEnding.]]
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** Riou and Jowy are about to get hanged. Rowd gazes at the sunset for a few seconds and then looks back and Flik and Viktor have killed all the soldiers and cut the ropes around Riou and Jowy's necks.
** If Riou and Nanami try to escape the war, but come back, Marlowe and Koyu attempt this in an attempt to rescue Lilly and Lo Wen. Riou, Viktor and Kahn succeed in rescuing all four, playing it straight.
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* ToWinWithoutFighting: Highland's BatmanGambit to capture Greenhill. They released some [=POWs=] from Muse into Greenhill, so Greenhill thought Highland just wanted to fight fair and square. However, Highland laid a siege into the city by [[SheatheYourSword just standing over there]] ''[[IdiotBall before they could even react]]''. This resulted to a food shortage so bad that ''[[EnemyCivilWar a civil war erupted within it]]''. Sounds bad? The Highland Army freed the Muse soldiers and returned their weapons ''specifically for that purpose''. As Teresa says, Greenhill lost to a handful of Highland soldiers ''without even having fought''.

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* ToWinWithoutFighting: Highland's BatmanGambit to capture Greenhill. They released some [=POWs=] from Muse into Greenhill, so Greenhill thought Highland just wanted to fight fair and square. However, However, [[SheatheYourSword the Highland Arny laid a siege into the city by [[SheatheYourSword just standing over there]] ''[[IdiotBall before they could even react]]''. btu did not attack at all for a few days]] . This resulted to a food shortage so bad that ''[[EnemyCivilWar a civil war erupted between the citizens of Greenhill and the Muse Soldiers within it]]''.the walla of the city.]]''. Sounds bad? The Highland Army freed the Muse soldiers and returned their weapons ''specifically for that purpose''. As Teresa says, Greenhill lost to a handful (5,000 men) of Highland soldiers ''without even having fought''.

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