History VideoGame / HavenAndHearth

* BoringButPractical: Setting up industries of any type (wood farming, metal working, leather working) will require a lot of repetitive tasks, but unlocks plenty of useful quality resources.

-->-- '''Forum user "Clemins"''', ''On discussing the Misaimed Marketing of the game's [[https://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=73820&start=10 PvP aspect]]''

** Caves are full GoddamnedBats that despite ostensibly being just regular bats can attack and maul you. [[note]]While European bats do have sharp teeth, even largest one weighs less than 100 grams and main concern with real bat biting a human is that they may carry rabies. In-game they fight in melee the same way as animals raning from foxes to bears and moose do.[[/note]] At least you can craft [[https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Bat_Wing a cape]] that functions as EncounterRepellant when worn.
** Real adders bite humans as absolute last resort, it takes considerable time and energy to produce their venom. [[note]]Bit of an apples to oranges comparison, but statistically 50-150 people are bitten by an adder each year in Finland. Despite population of five million people, adders being present in almost entirety of country, the two latest fatalities happened in 1984 and 1998.[[/note]]

** Caves are full [[GoddamnedBats]] that despite ostensibly being just regular bats can attack and maul you. [[note]]While European bats do have sharp teeth, even largest one weighs less than 100 grams and main concern with real bat biting a human is that they may carry rabies. In-game they fight in melee the same way as animals raning from foxes to bears and moose do.[[/note]] At least you can craft {{https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Bat_Wing a cape]] that functions as [[EncounterRepellant]] when worn.

* AdaptationalVillainy: Many small animals, that in real life would simply avoid humans, are aggressive to the point they can feel like [[DemonicSpiders]].

* AnachronismStew: Despite taking place in what is mostly a Iron Age Germany, there's handful of items that wouldn't really fit if taken back in time:

** Above entries should probably be rewritten, but to put it shortly: developers have been unable create a version of Ranged combat that is both A) useful in PvP B) not completely broken OP.

[[https://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=72745 Latest world will start August 12th, 2022.]]

** Can be subverted with inexperienced new player who might not even realize there is Inheritance system to recover some of their dead character's stats and start at their old Hearth Fire location (thus recovering their base), instead starting all over again by spawning in wilderness.
** The more experienced players are often able treat it as [[DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist minor inconvenience]] and can even have enough perverse incentive to intentionally kill their characters (for example, to reset their FEP efficiency and get rid of slowly healing wounds.)

[[folder:Legacy version]]

* YouKilledMyFather: If a character is killed, his descendant will probably try to get revenge.

* GoodIsNotNice: [[VigilanteMan Rangers]] will severely punish lawbreakers, if they don't simply knock you out and grab any stolen goods to teach you a lesson [[VigilanteExecution they will simply execute you]]
* GreyAndGrayMorality : Potential griefers can buy a variety of skills to break and enter, steal and rough up others for no particular reason, but often target only players who leave obvious gaps in their defenses or indiscriminately drain their turf's natural resources. Rangers live to punish crimes and locate enemies, but can also track down people who did as much as step foot into a private property and kill them in cold blood. There is a lot of squabbling about politics from and to both sides

* TheStoner: There are various drugs in the game, all mostly harmless: tobacco makes you relax, increasing the quality of certain fine crafts and alleviating fatigue, smoking hemp gives you the munchies, briefly turning you into a BigEater, and a opium heals certain wounds while inflicting one of it's own.

** Cash shop hats turn this UpToEleven.

* SuperDrowningSkills: By default, [[YouHaveResearchedBreathing you can't swim]]. This is for your own safety; rivers are the only things in this game [[UpToEleven worse than bears]].

* AddedAlliterativeAppeal: The sausages' names. They include the Big Bear Banger, Chicken Chorizo, Delicious Deer Dog, Fox Fuet, Running Rabbit, Boar Baloney, and the Wonderful Wilderness Wurst.

* AnachronismStew: Despite taking place in what is mostly a Iron Age Germany, player is allowed to craft equipment from steel, including [[UsefulNotes/PolesWithPoleaxes Hussar's Wings]].

* BicolorCowsSolidColorBulls: Subverted. Both sexes of Cattle can be bi or solid color depending on their "dna". Before that, [[PaleFemalesDarkMales cows were solid red-ish brown and bulls were solid black]]. Players actually [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks preferred the old system]] due to it's visual clarity compared having to measure horns and check for udders.

* ForeignQueasine: One of the easiest-accessible and convenient food to make? Rats on a stick.

** When you learn a skill, ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' Item Get theme is played

* SuperDrowningSkills: By default, [[YouHaveResearchedBreathing you can't swim]]. After unlocking the Swimming skill, you risk pernamently killing your character every time you take a swim, although unlike in Legacy you start to take damage instead of instantly dying.

** You actually have to research how to punch and strangle things.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The change in how LP is earned from world 4 to 5 has been...controversial to say the least.

* AnachronismStew: Despite taking place in what is mostly a Iron Age Germany, player is allowed to craft equipment from steel, including [[PolesWithPoleaxes Hussar's Wings]].

** Current metagame has Archery see little use in PvP, but this hasn't [[PVPBalanced always]] been the case.

* CommonPlaceRare: Metal is extremely valuable, and can be found [[CaptainObvious underground]]. The only way to get underground is via a cave entrance (rare and often claimed) or a mine hole (''extremely'' expensive to construct). Not only that, but mining is dangerous, and takes a high Strength and Mining level to get anything good from it.

Received major update on August 28, 2015. Graphics were upgraded into full 3D, handful of other features were added. Both developers started spending more time on the development of the game and to facilitate this, [[AllegedlyFreeGame]] had to be embraced, first with almost universally hated and then revised payment model. Players now enjoy unlimited game time, but can pay to verify their accounts and subscribe for bonuses to LP/FEP gain and speed of certain actions.

** Types of cheese include Cave and Cellar Cheddar, Generic Gouda and Sunlit Stilton

* BigEater: Eating at a table with quality cutlery, getting the munchies from smoking hemp, and partecipating to a bonfire party greatly decrease how much food will fill you up, letting you get more stats from it.

* CommonPlaceRare: Metal is extremely valuable, and can be found [[CaptainObvious underground]]. The only way to get underground is via a cave entrance (rare and often claimed) or a mine hole (''extremely'' expensive to construct). Not only that, but mining is dangerous, and takes a high Strength and Mining level to get anything good from it.
** Sausages are extremely valuable food, but can only be made by sausage machines, which require costly skills and...metal. This also applies to everything else that needs metal, such as brick walls.
*** You can make Ceramic Meat Grinder combining various types of not-so-easily accessible clay, but it can not make all types of sausages.
* ConfusionFu: There are many combat styles, from basic fisticuffing to high-end swordmanship, passing by axe-grinding and dirty grappling tricks. And you can learn (and use) all of them at the same time.

* ForeignQueasine: One of the easiest-accessable and convenient food to make? Rats on a stick.

* GreyAndGrayMorality : Potential griefers can buy a variety of skills to break and enter, steal and rough up others for no particular reason, but often target only players who leave obvious gaps in their defenses or indiscriminately drain their turf's natural resources. Rangers live to punish crimes and locate enemies, but can also track down people who did as much as step foot into a private property and kill them in cold blood. There is a lot of quabbling about politics from and to both sides

** Current metagame has Archery see little use in PvP, but this hasn't [[PVP Balanced always]] been the case.

[[folder:Legacy version]]
* AgonyOfTheFeet: In Legacy version, players walking around bare-footed in the wilderness will constantly get the health- and stamina-draining "Thorn in the foot" debuff. Yeowch.
* LuckBasedMission: Most basic commodities (such as food) are ''very'' hard to find if you start in certain environments, forcing you to rely on passing rabbits and rats or foraging for randomly-spawning roots and berries to survive.
* NoArcInArchery: All projectiles not only fly straight at the target (regardless whether they'll hit or miss), but will even fly up hills and through trees, rocks and walls.
* ShoutOut: The description of the Ranger skill references ''Series/WalkerTexasRanger''.
** The description of the Jewelry skill is likewise a reference to ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''.
* {{Squick}}: There are only two ways to recover your maximum HP in the game. The easier one is to attach leeches to your body until they bloat up. The other is bandaging your head (and the bandage becomes soaked with blood soon after).
* SufferTheSlings: Slings are ranged weapon of choice for most players, due to the extremely high LP investments needed to properly use a bow.
* SuperDrowningSkills: By default, [[YouHaveResearchedBreathing you can't swim]]. This is for your own safety; rivers are the only things in this game [[UpToEleven worse than bears]].
** To elaborate: to be killed by a creature (including bears) they have to breach your defenses, then damage your HP enough to knock you out, then finish you off when you're down, and even then, you can reincarnate to recover your equipment and your skull to get some of your abilities back. But running out of Stamina in the water (which drains incredibly fast) is an instant kill that makes everything your character has on him/her [[PermanentlyMissableContent lost forever]].
* TheStoner: Certain opium-based "medicine" [[BottledHeroicResolve gives you a huge strength buff]] for a handful of seconds.
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* AnachronismStew: Despite taking place in what is mostly a Iron Age Germany, player is allowed to craft equipment from steel, including [[PolesWithPoleaxes Hussar's Wings]]
** Cash shop hats turn this [[UpToEleven]].

* BoozeBasedBuff: Drink a sip of wine or a mug of ale, and your stats and study capacity will increase for a while. Drink too much in a short time, though, and your stats will go down instead.

''Haven & Hearth'' is a Java-based MMORPG, with much of the in-game world inspired by Germanic mythology. Its most notable features are its persistent world featuring little to no natural resource regeneration, its permanent death feature, and its focus on player interactions such as villages trading and negotiations. It also features a fairly unorthodox leveling system: Players earn Learning Points (LP) for discovering and producing new items or using particular "curios", which add LP over time, which are then spent to purchase or upgrade skills; also, eating most food will add points to their "Food Event" bar, which will raise one stat at random (based on the types of food eaten) when full.

Although the game is technically in an alpha state, it features a fairly sizable playerbase and many large in-game communities of players (known as hearthlings). It can be played [[http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/ here.]]

* AgonyOfTheFeet: Players walking around bare-footed in the wilderness will constantly get the health- and stamina-draining "Thorn in the foot" debuff. Yeowch.

* AntiPoopSocking: Crops and trees grow in real time, letting you set everything up and come back later. Plus, the "Travel Fatigue" you build up when teleporting (and that prevents you from doing it when too high) can only be lowered by building a bed, going to sleep, and logging off for some hours.
** Travel Weariness can be reduced by drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco. Also you can always teleport to your Hearthfire regardless of Weariness.

* LuckBasedMission: Most basic commodities (such as food) are ''very'' hard to find if you start in certain environments, forcing you to rely on passing rabbits and rats or foraging for randomly-spawning roots and berries to survive.
* NoArcInArchery: All projectiles not only fly straight at the target (regardless whether they'll hit or miss), but will even fly up hills and through trees, rocks and walls.
* RocksFallEveryoneDies: Every few months or so, when there is a major update, the world is destroyed and remade anew.
** In the literal sense, if you're not careful when mining a section of the mine can collapse, killing everyone unlucky enough to be caught beneath it.
* ShoutOut: The description of the Ranger skill references ''Series/WalkerTexasRanger''.
** The description of the Jewelry skill is likewise a reference to ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''.

* {{Squick}}: There are only two ways to recover your maximum HP in the game. The easier one is to attach leeches to your body until they bloat up. The other is bandaging your head (and the bandage becomes soaked with blood soon after).
* TheStoner: There are various drugs in the game, all mostly harmless: tobacco makes you relax, increasing the quality of certain fine crafts and alleviating fatigue, smoking hemp gives you the munchies, briefly turning you into a BigEater, and a certain opium-based "medicine" [[BottledHeroicResolve gives you a huge strength buff]] for a handful of seconds.
* SufferTheSlings: Slings are ranged weapon of choice for most players, due to the extremely high LP investments needed to properly use a bow.
* SuperDrowningSkills: By default, [[YouHaveResearchedBreathing you can't swim]]. This is for your own safety; rivers are the only things in this game [[UpToEleven worse than bears]].
** To elaborate: to be killed by a creature (including bears) they have to breach your defenses, then damage your HP enough to knock you out, then finish you off when you're down, and even then, you can reincarnate to recover your equipment and your skull to get some of your abilities back. But running out of Stamina in the water (which drains incredibly fast) is an instant kill that makes everything your character has on him/her [[PermanentlyMissableContent lost forever]].

* AllegedlyFreeGame: [[SubvertedTrope Subverted acutally, which is quite rare.]] This game is probably one of the few 100% free games, in that there's no fee for download, microtransactions, or {{Freemium}} content. This game runs entirely on donations.

** To elaborate: to be killed by a creature (including bears) they have to breach your defenses, then damage your HP enough to knock you out, then finish you off when you're down, and even then, you can reincarnate to recover your equipment and your skull to get some of your abilities back. But running out of Stamina in the water (which drains incredibly fast) is an instant kill that makes everything your character has on him/her LostForever.

* ShoutOut: The description of the Ranger skill references WalkerTexasRanger.
** The description of the Jewelry skill is likewise a reference to Literature/TheLordOfTheRings.

* BlessedAreTheCheesemakers: Cheese is both the food with the most complex production process (which involves a lot of dedicated structures, hard to get ingredients, and meticulous monitoring of conditions) and the highest stat gain, the best ones letting you get whole points of a single stat even if you are past 100-150.

** One of the high-end weapons is the [[DwarfFortress Battleaxe of the Twelfth Bay]]