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''Best of Three'' is an InteractiveFiction game created by Creator/EmilyShort in 2001. The gameplay consists of a single conversation with MultipleEndings, along the lines of her earlier game ''VideoGame/{{Galatea}}''. The conversation system would be reused for a later game, ''VideoGame/PythosMask''.
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''Best of Three'' is an InteractiveFiction game created by Creator/EmilyShort in 2001. The gameplay consists of a single conversation with MultipleEndings, along the lines of her earlier game ''VideoGame/{{Galatea}}''. The conversation system would be reused for a later game, ''VideoGame/PythosMask''.
''VideoGame/PythosMask'', and Short wrote a bizarre pseudo-sequel named ''[=NewGrant=]'' for the November 2001 [=SpeedIF=] contest.
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* LowCountGag: When Helen tells Grant that she's not in touch with her friends from high school anymore, the LemonyNarrator adds, "All two of them."
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* NeverMyFault: Subverted. After you run into Grant on a dark, rainy night, he pats his pockets and realizes that it's gone missing. He accuses you of having made him lost it, sees ''your'' pen and thinks it's his, then steals it from you. Although, he does return it later when he feels guilty (and finds that he left his own pen at home).
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* NeverMyFault: Subverted. After you run into Grant on a dark, rainy night, he pats his pockets and realizes that it's his pen's gone missing. He accuses you of having made him lost it, sees ''your'' pen and thinks it's his, then steals it from you. Although, he does return it later when he feels guilty (and finds that he left his own pen at home).
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* CopeByCreating: In high school, Helen vented her frustrations with her unrequited crush on Grant by writing poetry. It's something of an OldShame for her.
-->''Like all the angst-ridden teenagers of all time, you once kept and wrote in a notebook the various trials and tribulations of Being In Love With Grant (sometimes in prose, but more often, more’s the pity, in a kind of Dickinsonian verse, touched with long dashes— and heady words— and Thoughts most suitably conceived in a chaise longue[...]''
** Also in high school, Grant wrote a very angsty poem to cope with his parents' divorce.
-->''Like all the angst-ridden teenagers of all time, you once kept and wrote in a notebook the various trials and tribulations of Being In Love With Grant (sometimes in prose, but more often, more’s the pity, in a kind of Dickinsonian verse, touched with long dashes— and heady words— and Thoughts most suitably conceived in a chaise longue[...]''
** Also in high school, Grant wrote a very angsty poem to cope with his parents' divorce.
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** In high school, Helen vented her frustrations with her unrequited crush on Grant by writing poetry. It's something of an OldShame for her.
--->''Like all the angst-ridden teenagers of all time, you once kept and wrote in a notebook the various trials and tribulations of Being In Love With Grant (sometimes in prose, but more often, more’s the pity, in a kind of Dickinsonian verse, touched with long dashes— and heady words— and Thoughts most suitably conceived in a chaise longue[...]''
** Also in high school, Grant wrote a very angsty poem to cope with his parents' divorce.
** In high school, Helen vented her frustrations with her unrequited crush on Grant by writing poetry. It's something of an OldShame for her.
--->''Like all the angst-ridden teenagers of all time, you once kept and wrote in a notebook the various trials and tribulations of Being In Love With Grant (sometimes in prose, but more often, more’s the pity, in a kind of Dickinsonian verse, touched with long dashes— and heady words— and Thoughts most suitably conceived in a chaise longue[...]''
** Also in high school, Grant wrote a very angsty poem to cope with his parents' divorce.
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* HatesTheirParent: While Helen is okay with her father, she resents her mother. Helen's mother constantly belittles her, didn't want her to apply to college, and tried to guilt trip her into [[PromotedToParent taking care of her younger brothers]].
-->'''Helen''': We don’t discuss things in my house. We communicate by a process of applied guilt.
-->'''Helen''': We don’t discuss things in my house. We communicate by a process of applied guilt.
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** While Helen is okay with her father, she resents her mother. Helen's mother constantly belittles her, didn't want her to apply to college, and tried to guilt trip her into [[PromotedToParent taking care of her younger brothers]].
-->'''Helen''': --->'''Helen''': We don’t don't discuss things in my house. We communicate by a process of applied guilt.
** While Helen is okay with her father, she resents her mother. Helen's mother constantly belittles her, didn't want her to apply to college, and tried to guilt trip her into [[PromotedToParent taking care of her younger brothers]].
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** Grant's high school lab partner was Seph Antibe. Helen can question that name, to which he explains that it's short for "Persephone".
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** Grant's high school lab partner was Seph Antibe. Helen can question that name, to which he explains that it's short for "Persephone". Grant points out that Helen has no reason to be so disdainful. Meanwhile, Grant himself finds his name boring, but appreciates that it's not something people can make fun of.
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* CompletelyOffTopicReport: Helen, out of her distaste for AP English, refused to read a single word ''Literature/AnnaKarenina''. Her essay was about a completely different book, and during class discussions, she just said whatever popped into her head. Her teacher never noticed a difference.
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* CompletelyOffTopicReport: Helen, out of her distaste for AP English, refused to read a single word of ''Literature/AnnaKarenina''. Her essay was about a completely different book, and during class discussions, she just said whatever popped into her head. Her teacher never noticed a difference.
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* DrivenToSuicide: Helen and Grant can discuss a student at their school, Tyler, who was driven to hang himself after he fell in love with a girl who wasn't interested in him. Helen mainly remembers the funeral procession and the school's repeated counseling services they tried to enforce afterwards.
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* NotSoDifferent: Both Helen and Grant have mother issues.
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** Also in high school, Grant wrote a very angsty poem to cope with his parents' divorce.
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** Helen's twin brothers are named Lucas Castor and John Pollux. She comments that ''at least'' they got away with "normal-ish full names", and most people call them Lukey and Johnny.
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* NotHelpingYourCase: When Grant accuses Helen of having stolen his pen, he says that he hopes you get reincarnated as a dung beetle. Helen can take offense to this and bring it back up, to which Grant simply corrects her ''wording'', not the fact that he insulted her.
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* NotHelpingYourCase: When Grant accuses Helen of having stolen his pen, he says that he hopes you get she gets reincarnated as a dung beetle. Helen can take offense to this and bring it back up, to which Grant simply corrects her ''wording'', not the fact that he insulted her.
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* NotHelpingYourCase: When Grant accuses you of having stolen your pen, he says that he hopes you get reincarnated as a dung beetle. Helen can take offense to this and bring it back up, to which Grant simply corrects her ''wording'', not the fact that he insulted her.
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* NotHelpingYourCase: When Grant accuses you Helen of having stolen your his pen, he says that he hopes you get reincarnated as a dung beetle. Helen can take offense to this and bring it back up, to which Grant simply corrects her ''wording'', not the fact that he insulted her.
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* DamnYouMuscleMemory: In this game, conversation options are picked with the numbers 1-4. In ''Pytho's Mask'', you choose dialogue options with the letters A, B, C, or D.
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* PronouncingMyNameForYou: The reason Grant couldn't connect with Helen is because he had the wrong impression of her last name. He thought it was "Sockis", and kept looking under S, while it's actually "Tsakis". Helen has to spell it out for him.
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* PenName: Discussed. Helen and Grant's old English teacher, Ms. Littenburg, now writes cheesy romance novels that she publishes under the name "Mystique Lacey". Both of them recognize that it's actually her writing.
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''Best of Three'' is an InteractiveFiction game created by Creator/EmilyShort in 2001. The gameplay consists of a single conversation with MultipleEndings, along the lines of her other games ''VideoGame/PythosMask'' and ''VideoGame/{{Galatea}}''.
earlier game ''VideoGame/{{Galatea}}''. The conversation system would be reused for a later game, ''VideoGame/PythosMask''.
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* SliceOfLife: There are no fantasy elements or unrealistic situations. It's just a conversation between two realistic characters facing their past.
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* JerkassRealization: In one ending, Grant realizes why Helen is so upset at him; she had wrote a poem in English class, and Grant gave her insulting, overly critical comments while unaware she wrote it. When this comes up, Grant genuinely apologizes by saying [[MoreInsultingThanIntended he didn't realize it would be taken so seriously]], and that he didn't really mean most of what he said. Helen can accept his apology to get them on better terms and have a happier ending.
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''Best of Three'' is an InteractiveFiction created by Creator/EmilyShort in 2001. The gameplay consists of a single conversation with MultipleEndings, along the lines of her earlier games ''VideoGame/PythosMask'' and ''VideoGame/{{Galatea}}''.
You play as Helen Tsakis, who's meeting her former high school crush, Grant Stern, for the first time in two years at a cafe. You're not that enthused to see him, and want to prevent any embarrassing bits of history from coming back up... including a prank with your friends as part of a secret group you were in. You can discuss classic literature, religion, his college life, your parents, and various other topics.
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!!''Best of Three'' contains examples of:
* AdjectiveAnimalAlehouse: The game takes place in the Weeping Donkey Coffee Shop.
* ClassicalMusicIsCool: Grant likes classical music. In particular, Mozart's ''Requiem'', which he finds "as articulate, and as moving, as a speech in words".
* CopeByCreating: In high school, Helen vented her frustrations with her unrequited crush on Grant by writing poetry. It's something of an OldShame for her.
-->''Like all the angst-ridden teenagers of all time, you once kept and wrote in a notebook the various trials and tribulations of Being In Love With Grant (sometimes in prose, but more often, more’s the pity, in a kind of Dickinsonian verse, touched with long dashes— and heady words— and Thoughts most suitably conceived in a chaise longue[...]''
* CouldntFindAPen: Parodied. When Grant returns Helen's pen, he says that he kept imagining her writing with an inferior Bic pen. Helen can either thank him or say, "oh, when I lose my pen I use a quill dipped in goat’s blood." Grant is surprised by this response.
* DeadpanSnarker: Helen is ''not'' happy to be seeing Grant again after the incident where he stole her pen. She takes the opportunity to snark at him when he says something foolish.
-->'''Grant''': I tried to find you in the phone book, but I couldn’t figure out how to spell your last name. I think I read the whole S section twice.\\
'''Helen''': Considering that it starts with T, that’s not surprising.
* DialogueTree: The game runs on one. You're given 1-4 options to respond or ask Grant questions. Alternatively, if you don't like your choices, you can type "topic [noun]" to see if you can discuss that instead. You also get a limited selection of traditional IF commands, such as being able to sip your drink or examine the area.
* GrayRainOfDepression: It's raining hard nonstop outside, and this goes along with Helen's disapproval of Grant and general boredom with her town.
* HatesTheirParent: While Helen is okay with her father, she resents her mother. Helen's mother constantly belittles her, didn't want her to apply to college, and tried to guilt trip her into [[PromotedToParent taking care of her younger brothers]].
-->'''Helen''': We don’t discuss things in my house. We communicate by a process of applied guilt.
* IronicName: Discussed when Helen mentions that her five-year-old twin brothers have a pet frog named Fuzzy.
-->'''Grant''': "Fuzzy"? Are they old enough for irony?\\
'''Helen''': Apparently they were under the impression that he got to be that color by getting moldy from being left out in the rain, and they always refer to bad fruit or cheese as ‘fuzzy’.
* LemonyNarrator: The narrator tends to add in some snarky comments. It calls you out for not knowing what to say when you reconnect with Grant, and later states that you are about to come up with a "rude retort" after one of Grant's comments before you get distracted.
-->''“Oh, hi.” [Two years you had to make up a witty, spontaneous line for this moment. Nice work.]''
* MinimalistCast: The only three characters who appear in person are Helen, Grant, and the unnamed waiter. Many others are [[TheGhost mentioned, but don't appear]].
* MultipleEndings: The game has multiple different endings. For example, you may reconnect with Grant and want to go out to a movie with him, or you'll end up staying silent and feeling exhausted.
* NeverMyFault: Subverted. After you run into Grant on a dark, rainy night, he pats his pockets and realizes that it's gone missing. He accuses you of having made him lost it, sees ''your'' pen and thinks it's his, then steals it from you. Although, he does return it later when he feels guilty (and finds that he left his own pen at home).
-->''But he doesn’t look back; and you stand there in the rain and contemplate the aesthetic incompetence of a universe that would bring the bane of your existence back into your life just to steal your favorite pen.''
* NoodleIncident: Helen compares [=3Nigma=]'s pranks to a "crypto-chain letter" incident. Grant says that "by the time it reached me the computer guys had already solved it". Helen comments, "bastards", and the exact details are never explained.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When Grant accuses you of having stolen your pen, he says that he hopes you get reincarnated as a dung beetle. Helen can take offense to this and bring it back up, to which Grant simply corrects her ''wording'', not the fact that he insulted her.
-->''“You called me a dung beetle!” In the next booth, someone giggles. Grant cuts them off with a look.\\
“No,” he says, to you. “I expressed the hope that you might be reincarnated as a dung beetle. Very different.”''
* NotSoAboveItAll: Discussed. Grant discusses well-known yet cliche romance novels, which he looks down upon for being too structured and not realistic, seeing them as mindless fluff that "desensitizes readers to actual thoughts". Helen admits that she has read a few, to Grant's disbelief.
-->'''Helen''': Fine. I read these things from time to time, but it hasn't obliterated my capacity for rational thought. So get off your elitist high horse and admit that there are things that even you enjoy irrationally, and that this is not itself the highway to stupidity.
* ObliviousMockery: What ultimately made Helen get over Grant was an incident in English class. He ended up writing scathing insults, such as "startlingly devoid of imagination", on poems that he was unaware Helen wrote. Helen realized that he was an "acute asshole" all along, and throw away her book of poetry about him. Grant has a JerkassRealization and apologizes, mending his relationship with Helen.
-->'''Grant''': I really had no idea that anyone would take the stuff I said that seriously. You know, this thing happens at some point where you realize that you’re able to use words better than average and it becomes the source of reassurance, and sometimes you get so carried away in your eloquence that you say things that you don’t remotely mean.
* OvercomplicatedMenuOrder: The cafe actually seems to encourage these, with the waiter suggesting a fancy, complicated order. Grant in particular has a long one.
-->'''Grant''': I’d like a small pot of freshly boiling water and two Earl Grey teabags in a mug. Do not attempt to begin brewing the tea yourself, please. On a separate plate, I will require a strip of lemon peel— the full circumference of the lemon at the center, that is, no half-measures— and two cubes of raw sugar. That would be the light brown kind. Also one cookie, the driest you have.
::: The waiter is actually quite impressed and makes it to him. In contrast, Helen can either order a cappuccino or nothing.
--->'''Waiter''': What, just a cappuccino? No special instructions? You don’t want the steamed milk in a bowl on the side? Piece of kumquat peel? Half-dozen pomegranate seeds?
* PromotedToParent: Deconstructed. Helen has to take care of her five-year-old twin brothers, which she doesn't appreciate. It's because her mother has left for three years to date someone new, while her father can't even hold down a part-time job and spends most of his time writing cheesy poetry. She's being forced to get a business degree and a job, so she takes "night courses in various intensely tedious subjects so she can be around and look after the kids during the day".
-->'''Helen''': If she finds me not working, she will decide that I’m obviously not busy and thus available to take over for her when she’s exhausted and overwrought. And she’s ''always'' exhausted and overwrought.
* PronouncingMyNameForYou: The reason Grant couldn't connect with Helen is because he had the wrong impression of her last name. He thought it was "Sockis", and kept looking under S, while it's actually "Tsakis". Helen has to spell it out for him.
* SpeechCentricWork: The entire game is driven by your conversation with Grant.
* ItTastesLikeFeet: Disgusted by his tea that he forgot to put sugar in, Grant says that it "tastes like old socks".
* WhoNamesTheirKidDude: Often discussed.
** Grant's high school lab partner was Seph Antibe. Helen can question that name, to which he explains that it's short for "Persephone".
** The winery owner, Rick Dark, has two twin daughters named Pinot and Noir (his wife thought it was cute). Helen and Grant agree that those are "evil names to give children".
** Helen's twin brothers are named Lucas Castor and John Pollux. She comments that ''at least'' they got away with "normal-ish full names", and most people call them Lukey and Johnny.
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You play as Helen Tsakis, who's meeting her former high school crush, Grant Stern, for the first time in two years at a cafe. You're not that enthused to see him, and want to prevent any embarrassing bits of history from coming back up... including a prank with your friends as part of a secret group you were in. You can discuss classic literature, religion, his college life, your parents, and various other topics.
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!!''Best of Three'' contains examples of:
* AdjectiveAnimalAlehouse: The game takes place in the Weeping Donkey Coffee Shop.
* ClassicalMusicIsCool: Grant likes classical music. In particular, Mozart's ''Requiem'', which he finds "as articulate, and as moving, as a speech in words".
* CopeByCreating: In high school, Helen vented her frustrations with her unrequited crush on Grant by writing poetry. It's something of an OldShame for her.
-->''Like all the angst-ridden teenagers of all time, you once kept and wrote in a notebook the various trials and tribulations of Being In Love With Grant (sometimes in prose, but more often, more’s the pity, in a kind of Dickinsonian verse, touched with long dashes— and heady words— and Thoughts most suitably conceived in a chaise longue[...]''
* CouldntFindAPen: Parodied. When Grant returns Helen's pen, he says that he kept imagining her writing with an inferior Bic pen. Helen can either thank him or say, "oh, when I lose my pen I use a quill dipped in goat’s blood." Grant is surprised by this response.
* DeadpanSnarker: Helen is ''not'' happy to be seeing Grant again after the incident where he stole her pen. She takes the opportunity to snark at him when he says something foolish.
-->'''Grant''': I tried to find you in the phone book, but I couldn’t figure out how to spell your last name. I think I read the whole S section twice.\\
'''Helen''': Considering that it starts with T, that’s not surprising.
* DialogueTree: The game runs on one. You're given 1-4 options to respond or ask Grant questions. Alternatively, if you don't like your choices, you can type "topic [noun]" to see if you can discuss that instead. You also get a limited selection of traditional IF commands, such as being able to sip your drink or examine the area.
* GrayRainOfDepression: It's raining hard nonstop outside, and this goes along with Helen's disapproval of Grant and general boredom with her town.
* HatesTheirParent: While Helen is okay with her father, she resents her mother. Helen's mother constantly belittles her, didn't want her to apply to college, and tried to guilt trip her into [[PromotedToParent taking care of her younger brothers]].
-->'''Helen''': We don’t discuss things in my house. We communicate by a process of applied guilt.
* IronicName: Discussed when Helen mentions that her five-year-old twin brothers have a pet frog named Fuzzy.
-->'''Grant''': "Fuzzy"? Are they old enough for irony?\\
'''Helen''': Apparently they were under the impression that he got to be that color by getting moldy from being left out in the rain, and they always refer to bad fruit or cheese as ‘fuzzy’.
* LemonyNarrator: The narrator tends to add in some snarky comments. It calls you out for not knowing what to say when you reconnect with Grant, and later states that you are about to come up with a "rude retort" after one of Grant's comments before you get distracted.
-->''“Oh, hi.” [Two years you had to make up a witty, spontaneous line for this moment. Nice work.]''
* MinimalistCast: The only three characters who appear in person are Helen, Grant, and the unnamed waiter. Many others are [[TheGhost mentioned, but don't appear]].
* MultipleEndings: The game has multiple different endings. For example, you may reconnect with Grant and want to go out to a movie with him, or you'll end up staying silent and feeling exhausted.
* NeverMyFault: Subverted. After you run into Grant on a dark, rainy night, he pats his pockets and realizes that it's gone missing. He accuses you of having made him lost it, sees ''your'' pen and thinks it's his, then steals it from you. Although, he does return it later when he feels guilty (and finds that he left his own pen at home).
-->''But he doesn’t look back; and you stand there in the rain and contemplate the aesthetic incompetence of a universe that would bring the bane of your existence back into your life just to steal your favorite pen.''
* NoodleIncident: Helen compares [=3Nigma=]'s pranks to a "crypto-chain letter" incident. Grant says that "by the time it reached me the computer guys had already solved it". Helen comments, "bastards", and the exact details are never explained.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When Grant accuses you of having stolen your pen, he says that he hopes you get reincarnated as a dung beetle. Helen can take offense to this and bring it back up, to which Grant simply corrects her ''wording'', not the fact that he insulted her.
-->''“You called me a dung beetle!” In the next booth, someone giggles. Grant cuts them off with a look.\\
“No,” he says, to you. “I expressed the hope that you might be reincarnated as a dung beetle. Very different.”''
* NotSoAboveItAll: Discussed. Grant discusses well-known yet cliche romance novels, which he looks down upon for being too structured and not realistic, seeing them as mindless fluff that "desensitizes readers to actual thoughts". Helen admits that she has read a few, to Grant's disbelief.
-->'''Helen''': Fine. I read these things from time to time, but it hasn't obliterated my capacity for rational thought. So get off your elitist high horse and admit that there are things that even you enjoy irrationally, and that this is not itself the highway to stupidity.
* ObliviousMockery: What ultimately made Helen get over Grant was an incident in English class. He ended up writing scathing insults, such as "startlingly devoid of imagination", on poems that he was unaware Helen wrote. Helen realized that he was an "acute asshole" all along, and throw away her book of poetry about him. Grant has a JerkassRealization and apologizes, mending his relationship with Helen.
-->'''Grant''': I really had no idea that anyone would take the stuff I said that seriously. You know, this thing happens at some point where you realize that you’re able to use words better than average and it becomes the source of reassurance, and sometimes you get so carried away in your eloquence that you say things that you don’t remotely mean.
* OvercomplicatedMenuOrder: The cafe actually seems to encourage these, with the waiter suggesting a fancy, complicated order. Grant in particular has a long one.
-->'''Grant''': I’d like a small pot of freshly boiling water and two Earl Grey teabags in a mug. Do not attempt to begin brewing the tea yourself, please. On a separate plate, I will require a strip of lemon peel— the full circumference of the lemon at the center, that is, no half-measures— and two cubes of raw sugar. That would be the light brown kind. Also one cookie, the driest you have.
::: The waiter is actually quite impressed and makes it to him. In contrast, Helen can either order a cappuccino or nothing.
--->'''Waiter''': What, just a cappuccino? No special instructions? You don’t want the steamed milk in a bowl on the side? Piece of kumquat peel? Half-dozen pomegranate seeds?
* PromotedToParent: Deconstructed. Helen has to take care of her five-year-old twin brothers, which she doesn't appreciate. It's because her mother has left for three years to date someone new, while her father can't even hold down a part-time job and spends most of his time writing cheesy poetry. She's being forced to get a business degree and a job, so she takes "night courses in various intensely tedious subjects so she can be around and look after the kids during the day".
-->'''Helen''': If she finds me not working, she will decide that I’m obviously not busy and thus available to take over for her when she’s exhausted and overwrought. And she’s ''always'' exhausted and overwrought.
* PronouncingMyNameForYou: The reason Grant couldn't connect with Helen is because he had the wrong impression of her last name. He thought it was "Sockis", and kept looking under S, while it's actually "Tsakis". Helen has to spell it out for him.
* SpeechCentricWork: The entire game is driven by your conversation with Grant.
* ItTastesLikeFeet: Disgusted by his tea that he forgot to put sugar in, Grant says that it "tastes like old socks".
* WhoNamesTheirKidDude: Often discussed.
** Grant's high school lab partner was Seph Antibe. Helen can question that name, to which he explains that it's short for "Persephone".
** The winery owner, Rick Dark, has two twin daughters named Pinot and Noir (his wife thought it was cute). Helen and Grant agree that those are "evil names to give children".
** Helen's twin brothers are named Lucas Castor and John Pollux. She comments that ''at least'' they got away with "normal-ish full names", and most people call them Lukey and Johnny.
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