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* TacticalWithdrawal: The entire Norwegian battle plan was built on this trope, initially trying to trick Swedish troops into difficult areas where Norway could use GuerillaWarfare. Sadly, [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy Carl Johan knew this]], and planned invasion on the flattest countryside he could find. At one point, this resulted in an actual AttackAttackRetreatRetreat situation because of conflicting orders (between the Norwegian King and his generals).
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* AttackAttackRetreatRetreat: Norway played this one straight. A couple of times, Christian Frederik issued orders for ambush, but recalled them immidiately afterwards. The battle of Langnes (August 9, 18149) is the best example of this, crossing into the area of conflicting orders: General Hegermann actually beat the Swedish back, using cannons, and was more than willing to make a pursuit, only to be stopped short by the king`s orders. When he and the Norwegian force then were ordered to ''retreat'' after actually winning the battle, the trope came in with force.
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* WorfHadTheFlu: Christian Frederik had to "erxcuse himself" from being in power, after a secret agreement with the Swedes in august. Thus, he invoked this trope, sitting quietly on the sideline until parliament was assembled in October. Then, he officially gave ruling power over to parliament, and finally left Norway for good, sheltered by darkness - never to set foot in Norway again.
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* MoreDakka: A couple of times during the war in August. When the Norwegian held the river at Tistedalen for two hours, the Swedish brok through when they brought forth a ''cannon'' (and sent some men to attack from the side). Later, at Langnes, the Norwegians did the same, and thus hindered the Swedes from crossing the river Glomma.

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* MoreDakka: A couple of times during the war in August. When the Norwegian held the river at Tistedalen for two hours, the Swedish brok broke through when they brought forth a ''cannon'' (and sent some men to attack from the side). Later, at Langnes, the Norwegians did the same, and thus hindered the Swedes from crossing the river Glomma.

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* DavidVersusGoliath: Norway played it straight at Matrand in August, but the trope was mostly inverted because of Swedish manpower. At the defence of Fredrikstad, the Norwegians defended an island with 1100 men against 6000 Swedes. They fought bravely and lost, also being overpowered by immense cannon power from the Swedish ships.

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* DavidVersusGoliath: Norway played it straight three times during the war August: At the fortifications at Lier August 2, at Matrand August 5, and at Langnes August 9. The Norwegians had greater manpower in August, but the first battles, and more cannons in the last of them. All things considered, the Swedes were two to one most of the time.
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trope was mostly inverted subverted because of Swedish manpower. At the defence of Fredrikstad, the Norwegians defended an island with 1100 men against 6000 Swedes. They fought bravely and lost, also being overpowered by immense cannon power from the Swedish ships.


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* MoreDakka: A couple of times during the war in August. When the Norwegian held the river at Tistedalen for two hours, the Swedish brok through when they brought forth a ''cannon'' (and sent some men to attack from the side). Later, at Langnes, the Norwegians did the same, and thus hindered the Swedes from crossing the river Glomma.
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* TookALevelInKindness: Carl Johan after his HeelFaceTurn in August, showing his true magnificence, and earning thanks and praises from official Norway (and Creator/HenrikWergeland) for a hundred years and more.

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* GenreSavvy: The greater lot of the assembly. The count of Wedel-Jarlsberg may get special attention, as well as the central 12 to make the first proposal for the constitution. The farmers also count, with the Telemark Farmer Huvestad as the most savvy. He lay forth the claim for property rights after the fashion of the old Norse standards. He got his will.

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* GenreSavvy: The greater lot of the assembly. The count of Wedel-Jarlsberg may get special attention, as well as the central 12 to make the first proposal for the constitution. The farmers also count, with the Telemark Farmer Huvestad as the most savvy. He lay forth the claim for property rights after the fashion of the old Norse standards. He got his will. will.
* GratuitousFrench: Carl Johan AKA Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte, was a Frenchman from the bottom of his heart, and never learned Swedish. The convention at Moss, written by him, is of course written in French. Christian Frederik, being an UpperClassTwit, wrote his diaries in French. ''His Diaries''!
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* MagnificentBastard: Carl Johan. First, he managed to maneuvre the ''entire'' set of greater powers to accept that Sweden just snatched Norway under Denmark`s nose. Then, he effectively managed to throttle both Denmark ''and'' Norway in a quick military defeat, and later on gained enough trust with the Norwegian political elite to establish a union that would last for the rest of the century. Bonus points for getting the main street of Oslo, capital of Norway, to bear his name, and the most visible statue in that capital, the only equestrian statue in that city, is a depiction of him (no other king of Norway has a similar monument). The may 17. promenade passes through the street of Carl Johan ''every fricking year''!

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* MagnificentBastard: Carl Johan. First, he managed to maneuvre the ''entire'' set of greater powers to accept that Sweden just snatched Norway under Denmark`s nose. Then, he effectively managed to throttle both Denmark ''and'' Norway in a quick military defeat, and later on gained enough trust with the Norwegian political elite to establish a union that would last for the rest of the century.century - by making a tactical HeelFaceTurn of truly epic proportions. Bonus points for getting the main street of Oslo, capital of Norway, to bear his name, and the most visible statue in that capital, the only equestrian statue in that city, is a depiction of him (no other king of Norway has a similar monument). The may 17. promenade passes through the street of Carl Johan ''every fricking year''!
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* HeelFaceTurn: Carl Johan made a HeelFaceTurn in favor of the Norwegian claims by August 5, 1814. This turn was so complete and surprising that nobody, to this day, exactly knows what happened. Consider his epic rants before war was declared, and his proclamation that the Assembly at Eidsvoll was an illegal rebellion, and the constitution invalid. And then, he suddenly turns around and ''accepts'' it. This event made Carl Johan a true MagnificentBastard, considering that he actually managed to ''make friends'' with the Norwegian elite afterwards. Even the most hardy followers of Christian Frederik became his trusted co-workers over time.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Count Wedel challenged Christian Frederik: "I will stand beside you at the battle field when the Swedish army attacks. Then, let us see who retreats first". The challenge was given March 3. Five months later, Christian Frederik did exactly what Wedel had warned about - he retreated first, and never dared to go into battle. He never got over it.


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** Christian Frederik from the middle of July and onwards. He managed to prove himself as a useless war leader, and then got sick for a week, leaving all negotiations to everybody else, before leaving Norway incognito, never to return.


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** Also Christian Frederik. When he gathered an army of 5000 men at Rakkestad, ready to encounter the Swedes in a defnining battle, and then just broke off and ''left'' after receiving the news of Fredrikstad capitulating, he earned a ''lot'' of WhatTheHellHero moments.
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* BadassCrew: When a company of 470 Norwegians held the advancing Swedish force abay for two hours on August 2, 1814. The Swedes were at least ''five thousand men strong''!
** The Norwegians managed it with small amounts of gunpowder, some of it even wet! The sheer badassery lies in the effort, not in the result. Many Norwegian units have to be counted into this trope.

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** Christian Frederik, leaving Norway in August, made a statement that fits the trope in ''spades''. He pointed out how the Norwegians had wanted him to be their king, conveniently forgetting how hard he worked for it himself. And pissed off som major powers on the way. NiceJobBreakingItHero.

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** Christian Frederik, leaving Norway in August, made a statement that fits the trope in ''spades''. He pointed out how the Norwegians had wanted him to be their king, conveniently forgetting how hard he worked for it himself. And pissed off som some major powers on the way. NiceJobBreakingItHero.


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** At the beginning of the Swedish campaign, Captain Spørck, spotting the Swedish army advancing across the border, called for enforcement, but got orders to move his men elsewhere. The result was a ''heavy'' WhatTheHellHero statement towards the king, and a similar on towards the captain. Veterans had this attitude for a generation or more, because of this.

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* MotiveRant: Carl Johan had an epic rant before war was declared, lasting for five hours. Then, after some rest, he ranted for five hours more, making his collected ranting a ten hour speech, filled with swearing, insults and epic boasts. The international ambassadors had a ShutUpHannibal moment when they actually burst into laughter because of this, calming Carl Johan a little.



** The Constituent Assembly likewise. One wonders how they managed to come to terms at all...
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** The Constituent Assembly likewise. One wonders how they managed to come to terms at all...
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The premise for this, is clearly foreign politics. UsefulNotes/{{Denmark}} had wavered slightly in support for Napoleon, and [[TheUnitedKingdom Great Britain]] would like to see that Denmark would be unable to support the Emperor with ships. Hence, the Royal Navy hijacked and stole the Danish fleet in a surprise attack in 1807, thus crippling Denmark considerably. What was more dramatic from a Norwegian point of view: every contact with Denmark was broken. The British instigated a NavalBlockade of Norway that same autumn, and in spite of still being in a union, Norway was on her own.

Denmark had to acknowledge this, and sent a trusted man north to rule in place of the Danish king. Christian August was quite GenreSavvy, and called in a number of Norwegians to help him. At the same time, Sweden decided to attack. A mostly Norwegian army managed to beat the Swedes back in 1809, thus bolstering a Norwegian sentiment that they actually could manage on their own, while the Swedes, embarrassed by this lack of military achievement (being beaten by a farm milita nonetheless), ousted their own king Gustaf IV and elected another one, his uncle Charles the XIII. Problem was, the man had no children, so the Swedes had to look elsewhere for a royal heir.

While the war in Europe went on, Norway hardly managed it. The crops failed in 1809, and without imported grain, starvation was at hand. The Norwegian elite had now begun their own work for independence, and some of them pointed to the sore situation and blamed the Danes for it. Others saw an opportunity for better cooperation with the Swedes, if the Swedes wished to comply. In a way, they did. They asked Christian August to fill in as heir for the Swedish king, and Christian took the opportunity. He left Norway in 1810, held a grand party, entered Sweden and died suddenly and inexplicably, falling from his horse after a stroke. {{Conspiracy Theorist}}s (Norwegian ones) blame the Danish government for this, as the king in Denmark went sour over it. He felt Christian August had betrayed him. Danish conspiracy theorists tend to blame Gustavian forces in Sweden, because he was Danish. Anyway, Sweden had to take another round of looking for a royal heir. While Sweden wavered in their support for Britain, Russia used an opportunity to invade UsefulNotes/{{Finland}} in 1809, then a part of the Swedish kingdom ''in spite of the fact that Sweden was an ally''. At the same time, and for good reason, Sweden decided to make Norway a priority, something that suited Russia well, seeking to avoid a confrontation with Sweden.

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The premise for this, is clearly foreign politics. UsefulNotes/{{Denmark}} had wavered slightly in support for Napoleon, and [[TheUnitedKingdom [[UseFulNotes/UnitedKingdom Great Britain]] would like to see that Denmark would be unable to support the Emperor with ships. Hence, the Royal Navy hijacked and stole the Danish fleet in a surprise attack in 1807, thus crippling Denmark considerably. What was more dramatic from a Norwegian point of view: every contact with Denmark was broken. The British instigated a NavalBlockade of Norway that same autumn, and in spite of still being in a union, Norway was on her own.

Denmark had to acknowledge this, and sent a trusted man north to rule in place of the Danish king. Christian August was quite GenreSavvy, and called in a number of Norwegians to help him. At the same time, Sweden UsefulNotes/{{Sweden}} decided to attack. A mostly Norwegian army managed to beat the Swedes back in 1809, thus bolstering a Norwegian sentiment that they actually could manage on their own, while the Swedes, embarrassed by this lack of military achievement (being beaten by a farm farmer milita nonetheless), ousted their own king Gustaf IV Adolf and elected another one, his uncle Charles the XIII. Problem was, the man had no children, so the Swedes had to look elsewhere for a royal heir.

While the war in Europe went on, Norway hardly managed it. The crops failed in 1809, and without imported grain, starvation was at hand. The Norwegian elite had now begun their own work for independence, and some of them pointed to the sore situation and blamed the Danes for it. Others saw an opportunity for better cooperation with the Swedes, if the Swedes wished to comply. In a way, they did. They asked Christian August to fill in as heir for the Swedish king, and Christian took the opportunity. He left Norway in 1810, held a grand party, entered Sweden and died suddenly and inexplicably, falling from his horse after a stroke. {{Conspiracy Theorist}}s (Norwegian ones) blame the Danish government for this, as the king in Denmark went sour over it. He felt Christian August had betrayed him. Danish conspiracy theorists tend to blame Gustavian forces in Sweden, because he was Danish. Anyway, Sweden had to take another round of looking for a royal heir. While Sweden wavered in their support for Britain, Russia UsefulNotes/{{Russia}} used an opportunity to invade UsefulNotes/{{Finland}} in 1809, then a part of the Swedish kingdom ''in spite of the fact that Sweden was an ally''. At the same time, and for good reason, Sweden decided to make Norway a priority, something that suited Russia well, seeking to avoid a confrontation with Sweden.



Historians have debated this issue ever since. The fallout between certain members of the assembly, from the different fractions, was so serious they never actually forgave eachother, and some were frozen out of further political discussion. The questions at hand were serious enough, concerning the question of independence, trade, foreign policies, propriety rights, voting rights, how to deal with democratic power, and then there was the issue of time. While sitting there, rumors went that Sweden assembled an army at the border, and would invade in the second half of may. Sweden also had the support of Prussian troops. News like this could make the assembly panic at times, and the constitution was made pragmatic and brief, to be finished as soon as possible.

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Historians have debated this issue ever since. The fallout between certain members of the assembly, from the different fractions, was so serious they never actually forgave eachother, and some were frozen out of further political discussion. The questions at hand were serious enough, concerning the question of independence, trade, foreign policies, propriety rights, voting rights, how to deal with democratic power, and then there was the issue of time. While sitting there, rumors went that Sweden assembled an army at the border, and would invade in the second half of may. Sweden also had the support of [[UseFulNotes/{{Prussia}} Prussian troops.troops]]. News like this could make the assembly panic at times, and the constitution was made pragmatic and brief, to be finished as soon as possible.

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* PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower: The bombardment of the island of Kråkerøy close to Fredrikstad on august 4. The Swedish firepower was immense, and the treaty of Moss followed ten days later, securing peace in Scandinavia for posterity, and a union between Norway and Sweden for 99 years.

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* PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower: The bombardment of the island of Kråkerøy close to Fredrikstad on august 4. The Swedish firepower was immense, and the treaty of Moss followed ten days later, securing peace in Scandinavia for posterity, and a union between Norway and Sweden for 99 91 years.


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** When Sweden declared war, they immidiately set sail for Norway. The Norwegian fleet spotted them, and the seacaptain asked for orders from the King. Christian Frederik hadn`t ratified any declaration of war, and ordered the Norwegians to get out of the way. The Norwegians complied, leaving the seas open for the Swedish fleet, who sailed straight for Fredrikstad. The town was under siege for a week, and not a shot was given from the Norwegian side. The King got the Swedish declaration of war two days after this. Bad timing indeed.
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* {{Mediator}}: The factory owner Jacob Aal, who always seemed to soften {{Knight templar}}s on both sides.

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* {{Mediator}}: The factory owner Jacob Aal, Aall, who always seemed to soften {{Knight templar}}s on both sides.sides during the assembly. Later, during the escalating international crisis, Great Britain took this role, to the benefit of Norway.

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* GeneralRipper: In July, Carl Johan showed himself more and more from this side, to the point where he had to recall orders for attack ''three times'', gaining scolds from Great Britain, and ''heavy'' chiding from ''Russia''! He got his war eventually, declaring it on July 25.

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* GeneralRipper: In July, Carl Johan showed himself more and more from this side, to the point where he had to recall orders for attack ''three times'', gaining scolds from Great Britain, and ''heavy'' chiding from ''Russia''! He got his war eventually, declaring it on July 25. His enemy X was Christian Frederik.


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* TheRant: Carl Johan had an epic rant before war was declared, lasting for five hours. Then, after some rest, he ranted for five hours more, making his collected ranting a ten hour speech, filled with swearing, insults and epic boasts.


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* SirSwearsALot: Carl Johan gave a long rant the day before war was declared, insulting Christian Frederik in the most fabulous ways, ''in french''!
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* BadassArmy: The Swedish, of course. Coming straight from the European battle field, and led by the most DangerouslyGenreSavvy war leader the alliance could muster: Carl Johan.


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* DangerouslyGenreSavvy: Carl Johan knew ''exactly'' where to enter Norway, avoiding every mistake (almost) that Sweden had made in the campaign of 1809. He even knew the Norwegian battle plan, sketched out in 1813. The only place the Swedish actually ''lost'' a battle were at Matrand, where they also lost in 1809.


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** The Swedes were not completely out of holding it. They had lost in 1809 due to Norwegian guerilla tactics and poor planning. So why would they hire ''the same general'' to attack ''the same area'' five years later? The Norwegians cashed in their only military victory because of this. General Gahn, who led the Swedes at Matrand, seemingly hadn`t learned one single lesson in five years.
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** Carl Johan had a truly epic one on behalf of Sweden days before war broke out:
---> I may die, my son Oscar may die, we may fight for ten, twenty, thirty years, and conquer Norway inch by inch, village by village, but in the end, ''we will take Norway''!
*** That man had a natural knack for boasting, to be sure.
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** The age difference between them also counts: Christian Frederik was 27, Carl Johan 51.


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* OldSoldier: Carl Johan was actually 51 years old in 1814. That was ''old'' for a man at the start of the nineteenth century. Heck, he was six years older than ''Napoleon''! He outlived that man with 23 years!
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* ParentingTheHusband: Queen Charlotta of Sweden. When king Carl XIII, 66 years old, decided he wished to be close to the battlefields in the upcoming war with Norway, she wisely decided to travel with him, giving effectual orders behind his back to protect him from harm.

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* GenreSavvy: The greater lot of the assembly. The count of Wedel-Jarlsberg may get special attention, as well as the central 12 to make the first proposal for the constitution. The farmers also count, with the Telemark Farmer Huvestad as the most savvy. He lay forth the claim for property rights after the fashion of the old Norse standards. He got his will.* * HairTriggerTemper: Carl Johan was ''notoriously'' known for this. When the international diplomats presented the offering of peace given by Christian Frederik, he had a RageBreakingPoint, where he flatly refused the offer, and threw a forceful tantrum in the face of the ambassador of Russia. ''Russia!'' Let alone [[UpToEleven Great Britain, Prussia, and Austria]]. War was declared within four days.
---> You just pray I keep my scabbard in my sheath!

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* GenreSavvy: The greater lot of the assembly. The count of Wedel-Jarlsberg may get special attention, as well as the central 12 to make the first proposal for the constitution. The farmers also count, with the Telemark Farmer Huvestad as the most savvy. He lay forth the claim for property rights after the fashion of the old Norse standards. He got his will.*
* HairTriggerTemper: Carl Johan was ''notoriously'' known for this. When the international diplomats presented the offering of peace given by Christian Frederik, he had a RageBreakingPoint, where he flatly refused the offer, and threw a forceful tantrum in the face of the ambassador of Russia. ''Russia!'' Let alone [[UpToEleven Great Britain, Prussia, and Austria]]. War was declared within four days.
---> '''Carl Johan''': You just pray I keep my scabbard in my sheath!
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* {{Foil}}: Most prominently Christian Frederik, king elect of Norway, and Carl Johan, king to be of Sweden. The first one was soft spoken and affable. The latter was a tough WarriorPrince, who was prone to use force over diplomacy ikf nessecary. Furthermore, he had seen action where Christian Frederik had not.

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* {{Foil}}: Most prominently Christian Frederik, king elect of Norway, and Carl Johan, king to be of Sweden. The first one was soft spoken and affable. The latter was a tough WarriorPrince, who was prone to use force over diplomacy ikf nessecary.if necessary. Furthermore, he had seen action where Christian Frederik had not.

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* {{Foil}}: Most prominently Christian Frederik, king elect of Norway, and Carl Johan, king to be of Sweden. The first one was soft spoken and affable. The latter was a tough WarriorPrince, who was prone to use force over diplomacy ikf nessecary. Furthermore, he had seen action where Christian Frederik had not.



* GeneralRipper: In July, Carl Johan showed himself more and more from this side, to the point where he had to recall orders for attack ''twice'', gaining scolds from Great Britain, and ''heavy'' chiding from ''Russia''! He got his war eventually, declaring it on July 25.

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* GeneralRipper: In July, Carl Johan showed himself more and more from this side, to the point where he had to recall orders for attack ''twice'', ''three times'', gaining scolds from Great Britain, and ''heavy'' chiding from ''Russia''! He got his war eventually, declaring it on July 25.



* GenreSavvy: The greater lot of the assembly. The count of Wedel-Jarlsberg may get special attention, as well as the central 12 to make the first proposal for the constitution. The farmers also count, with the Telemark Farmer Huvestad as the most savvy. He lay forth the claim for property rights after the fashion of the old Norse standards. He got his will.

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* GenreSavvy: The greater lot of the assembly. The count of Wedel-Jarlsberg may get special attention, as well as the central 12 to make the first proposal for the constitution. The farmers also count, with the Telemark Farmer Huvestad as the most savvy. He lay forth the claim for property rights after the fashion of the old Norse standards. He got his will.* * HairTriggerTemper: Carl Johan was ''notoriously'' known for this. When the international diplomats presented the offering of peace given by Christian Frederik, he had a RageBreakingPoint, where he flatly refused the offer, and threw a forceful tantrum in the face of the ambassador of Russia. ''Russia!'' Let alone [[UpToEleven Great Britain, Prussia, and Austria]]. War was declared within four days.
---> You just pray I keep my scabbard in my sheath!
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*** To follow this narrative a bit further, Britain saw it fit to support Norwegian independence from Sweden in 1905, and ''that'' payd off some 35 years later, when the Norwegian commercial fleet helped securing the lifeline for a Britain under German blockade during WorldWarII (although with a high personal cost). If Norway had been an "unseparable" unit under Sweden from 1814, Britain might as well have been starved out by NaziGermany.

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*** To follow this narrative a bit further, Britain saw it fit to support Norwegian independence from Sweden in 1905, and ''that'' payd paid off some 35 years later, when the Norwegian commercial fleet helped securing the lifeline for a Britain under German blockade during WorldWarII (although with a high personal cost). If Norway had been an "unseparable" unit under Sweden from 1814, Britain might as well have been starved out by NaziGermany.
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*** To follow this narrative a bit further, Britain saw it fit to support Norwegian independence from Sweden in 1905, and ''that'' payd off some 35 years later, when the Norwegian trade fleet secured the lifeline for a Britain under German blockade during WorldWarII. If Norway had been an "unseparable" unit under Sweden from 1814, Britain might as well have been starved out ny NaziGermany.

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*** To follow this narrative a bit further, Britain saw it fit to support Norwegian independence from Sweden in 1905, and ''that'' payd off some 35 years later, when the Norwegian trade commercial fleet secured helped securing the lifeline for a Britain under German blockade during WorldWarII. WorldWarII (although with a high personal cost). If Norway had been an "unseparable" unit under Sweden from 1814, Britain might as well have been starved out ny by NaziGermany.
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*** To follow this narrative a bit further, Britain saw it fit to support Norwegian independence from Sweden in 1905, and ''that'' payd off some 35 years later, when the Norwegian trade fleet secured the lifeline for a Britain under German blockade during WorldWarII. If Norway had been an "unseparable" unit under Sweden from 1814, Britain might as well have been starved out ny NaziGermany.
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** When making amendments to the original constitution of Norway, to make it fit for a loose union with Sweden, the parliament managed to fit in a new word in the first paragraph: "Norway is not to be handed over". This was a serious kick to the whole treaty of Kiel, and the phrasing still stands - something that makes every discussion on the matter of EU membership rather ...''interesting''.
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* DysfunctionalFamily: The Anker family and their relations: Jacob Aal, who supported Count Wedel against the Prince, was the son-in-law of Peder Anker, who was the uncle of Carsten Anker, the proprietor of Eidsvold and TheObiWan of the Prince. The fact that Wedel was married to Peder`s other daughter, making him an in-law of Jacob Aal as well, makes this even more interesting. The Norwegian elite was so small that everybody knew eachother or were related. With both Peder and Carsten Anker present at Eidsvold, the assembly had shades of family feud as well.

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* DysfunctionalFamily: The Anker family and their relations: Jacob Aal, Aall, who supported Count Wedel against the Prince, was the son-in-law of Peder Anker, who was the uncle cousin of Carsten Anker, the proprietor of Eidsvold and TheObiWan of the Prince. The fact that Wedel was married to Peder`s other daughter, making him an in-law of Jacob Aal Aall as well, makes this even more interesting. The Norwegian elite was so small that everybody knew eachother or were related. With both Peder and Carsten Anker present at Eidsvold, Thus, the assembly had shades of a family feud as well. feud. Carsten Anker was not present, being on a diplomatic mission to London - and thus avoiding more conflict on his home turf.
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** Consider this: Sweden actually gave in and ''accepted'' the Norwegian constitution with a few amendments, which even strengthened the popular sovereignty over the power of the king. That was probably even ''more'' awesome than making it in the first place. This tactical move to preserve the union and prevent more bloodshed secured the Norwegian constitution for posterity, ''and it is still in use''.

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