History UsefulNotes / MisplacedNationalism

* This even extends to The Economist's website, of all places. Discussion relating to any article which mentions a country by name (to wit, all of them) will consist of three groups - one group genuinely discussing the article, one group maintaining that "Country X is bad!" and one group maintaining that "The Economist is spreading vile lies about Country X"... even if the article itself was entirely neutral in tone.

* Armenians and Turks. Very dangerous mix.
* Same with Pakistanis and Indians.
* Armenians and Azeris are just as bad of a mix. Both sides accuse each other of genocide and genocide denial.

* People from Spanish or Portuguese-speaking nations (e.g. [[CaptainObvious Spain, Portugal]], Mexico, the countries of South and Central America) can be real {{Single Issue Wonk}}s toward Americans on the subject of demonyms and etymology, bashing Americans for calling themselves "American." The reason this happens is twofold.\\

''Second''. Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries often call Americans "United Stateser" (''Estadounidense'' and ''Estadunidense'', respectively), whereas in English and most other languages, Americans are called "American" in some form or fashion.\\

This leads some to assume that Americans call themselves American out of ignorance of other countries in the Americas--or out of deliberate arrogance--even though the word's usage had been cemented in the English language well over a century before the United States was founded.
** People prone to this tend to call Americans "[=USicans=]" in English (or some derivation thereof), and demand that others do the same--which is another source of MisplacedNationalism itself.

* Arguments involving China/Korea, Japan and WorldWarTwo will never end well. Ever.

** Armenians and Azeris are just as bad of a mix. Both sides accuse each other of genocide and genocide denial.
** Greeks and Turks rarely get along on the internet either, having just as bitter of a rivalry. Azeris seem to be the only ones who get along with Turks.
** Kurds are very proud and independent, so they clash with Turks a lot. Turks are often butting heads with Kurds. Other Iranians, Iraqis, and Syrians are strangely completely silent when it comes to Kurdistan.
** Well, Persians (i.e. Iranians of a certain ethnicity) will not take well to being called Arabs. Or Turks. Or Jews. Or any other thing than Persians, really. A real "us against them" mentality towards pretty much everyone in the world. Except the French. They're cool... See Omid Djalili for hilarious explanation of the phenomenon.

** Well, Persians (i.e. Iranians of a certain ethnicity) will not take well to being called Arabs. Or Turks. Or Jews. Or any other thing than Persians, really. A real "us against them" mentality towards pretty much everyone in the world. Excpet the French. They're cool... See Omid Djalili for hilarious explanation of the phenomenon.

** This has its history, since many Mexicans argue as who is the worst president ever? Many say Calderón because he won the elections by fraud, others say that his opponent Andrés Manuel López Obrador was just a poppulist who even ''paid'' people just to listen to his speeches and gave them free food if they voted for him. Then there's the ones who say Fox was the worst because he came from the country, while many say he was a great beak-through for ending a 70-year one-party rule. The list goes on and on (Zedillo: Did he manage to handle an economyc crisis or not? Salinas: Fraudulent moron, De la Madrid: incompetent idiot (see [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_earthquake_in_Mexico]] the 1985 earthquake in Mexico), López Portillo: corrupt devil and devaluation maker, Echeverría and Díaz Ordaz: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_Massacre fierce dictators]] or peace keepers, Díaz: Best president ever or [[MexicanRevolution brutal dictator]], Santa Anna: "motherland-seller" (spanish: vendepatrias)) to basically every president ever.

This leads some to assume that Americans call themselves American out of ignorance of other countries in the Americas--or out of deliberate arrogance--even though the word's usage had been cemented in the English language a well over a century before the United States was founded.

** People prone to this tend to call Americans "USicans" in English (or some derivation thereof), and demand that others do the same--which is another source of MisplacedNationalism itself.

* People from Spanish or Portuguese-speaking nations (e.g. Spain, Portugal, Mexico, the countries of South and Central America) can be real Single Issue Wonks toward Americans on the subject of demonyms and etymology (e.g. America is a country vs America is a continent).

* There are also those who prefer to refer to citizens of the United States as "[=USians=]", or some similar term. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment That's probably all we should say about that.]]

* People from Spanish or Portuguese-speaking nations (e.g. Spain, Portugal, Mexico, the countries of South and Central America) can be real Single Issue Wonks toward Americans on the subject of demonyms and etymology.

* Even the etymology of the word "Yankee" can stir up Misplaced Nationalism. To an United Statian it's someone from a specific part of the United States, although generally it's in reference to somebody who is from a state that sided with the Union during the Civil War. To other Anglophones, it's anyone from the United States. Thus arguments between United Statians from the South denying that they're Yankees and people from other countries angry that they're denying that they're United Statian occasionally spring up.
* A particularly stupid version of this occurs over the differences in English-language spelling between the U.S. and elsewhere in the world. Typically, people from the Commonwealth claim their spelling is purer or more proper (despite the fact that both systems have evolved pretty much equally since they first split), while United Statian claim their spelling is better or more efficient (despite the fact that both systems have equally vast numbers of idiosyncrasies, like any language).

* There is some rivalry between Canadians and United Statians, mostly due to their geographic proximity. One tends to be the butt of the other's joke when both are referenced. While this is mostly joking in nature, a number of either may take serious offense, or take the jokes too far that they do cause offense. Similarly, mistaking one for the other can cause the mistaken party to take offense, mostly due to perceived negative stereotypes associated with the other.

* Mexican immigrants to the United States tend to be a sore spot between Mexicans and United Statians. A number of Mexicans tend to dislike those that emigrate to America, considering them disloyal to their nation and heritage. In turn, some of these emigrants also express disdain toward those who chose to stay due their grievances with the country. Making things worse, is the amount of Mexican immigrants have illegally entered the country, which has not gone well with many United Statians. Figuring out way on how to deal with this problem has been an endless source of debate and ire between Mexicans, Mexican-United Statians(both legal and illegal), and other United Statians.
* Any discussion on an international forum regarding either the [[AssociationFootball Association]] or [[AmericanFootball United Statian]] types of "football", even among people who don't follow sports. Arguments over the names of the sports, arguments over kit, all argument fodder. See the {{InternetBackdraft/Sports}} section on InternetBackdraft and the ''Fans of "That other Football"'' section on AcceptableHobbyTargets for more.

* Don't get between communists and United Statian/British conservatives on YouTube. It never ends well.

* Even the etymology of the word "Yankee" can stir up Misplaced Nationalism. To an American it's someone from a specific part of the United States, although generally it's in reference to somebody who is from a state that sided with the Union during the Civil War. To other Anglophones, it's anyone from the United States. Thus arguments between Americans from the South denying that they're Yankees and people from other countries angry that they're denying that they're American occasionally spring up.
* A particularly stupid version of this occurs over the differences in English-language spelling between the U.S. and elsewhere in the world. Typically, people from the Commonwealth claim their spelling is purer or more proper (despite the fact that both systems have evolved pretty much equally since they first split), while Americans claim their spelling is better or more efficient (despite the fact that both systems have equally vast numbers of idiosyncrasies, like any language).

* There is some rivalry between Canadians and Americans, mostly due to their geographic proximity. One tends to be the butt of the other's joke when both are referenced. While this is mostly joking in nature, a number of either may take serious offense, or take the jokes too far that they do cause offense. Similarly, mistaking one for the other can cause the mistaken party to take offense, mostly due to perceived negative stereotypes associated with the other.

* Mexican immigrants to the United States tend to be a sore spot between Mexicans and Americans. A number of Mexicans tend to dislike those that emigrate to America, considering them disloyal to their nation and heritage. In turn, some of these emigrants also express disdain toward those who chose to stay due their grievances with the country. Making things worse, is the amount of Mexican immigrants have illegally entered the country, which has not gone well with many Americans. Figuring out way on how to deal with this problem has been an endless source of debate and ire between Mexicans, Mexican-Americans (both legal and illegal), and other Americans.
* Any discussion on an international forum regarding either the [[AssociationFootball Association]] or [[AmericanFootball American]] types of "football", even among people who don't follow sports. Arguments over the names of the sports, arguments over kit, all argument fodder. See the {{InternetBackdraft/Sports}} section on InternetBackdraft and the ''Fans of "That other Football"'' section on AcceptableHobbyTargets for more.

* Don't get between communists and American/British conservatives on YouTube. It never ends well.

* In general, "Superpower" nations (ie. nations that have alot of political and social power and prominence) tend to draw much more political and social ire than regular first world countries and especially third world countries. This happens not just on the internet, but in RealLife and in media as well.

* There is a rather amusing trend on more laid back sites of having threads discussing politics or religion where even Christians and Satanists talk quite civilly, but every third post has some shell shocked Internet veteran saying "We have to lock this thread before it turns into a FlameWar!" A thread like this is often seen as a rite of passage for newer {{Message Board}}s.

** The fact that winning the OlympicGames is only the matter of investment, doesn't help that case. The best athletes always comes from the country who spends the most on training them.

** Kurds are very proud and independent, so they clash with Turks a lot. For some reason, Turks are always hating on Kurds and sometimes even [[WallBanger denying the very existence of Kurdistan]]. Other Iranians, Iraqis, and Syrians are strangely completely silent when it comes to Kurdistan.
** Hell, practically ANY of Turkey's neighbors/minorities don't get along with Turks. This might be due to the disproportional amount of Turkish nationalism that claims lands far exceeding the current Republic of Turkey. Some even go as far to claim Britain, France, and Germany as being Turkish!
* Same with Pakistanis and Indians.

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** Armenians and Azeris are just as bad of a mix.