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They were first cousins once removed, not half brothers


[[OneSteveLimit The first of two brothers who both would be called "Charles III,"]] but this wouldn't arise until after their deaths – for much of history monarchs were known by their sobriquets rather than their regnal number (see the other "Charles III" for more info).

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[[OneSteveLimit The first of two brothers relatives who both would be called "Charles III,"]] but this wouldn't arise until after their deaths – for much of history monarchs were known by their sobriquets rather than their regnal number (see the other "Charles III" for more info).



No, you're not seeing things. [[OneSteveLimit There were two French monarchs called "Charles III"]] – both half-brothers, no less. However, neither Charles III the Fat nor Charles III the Simple were actually called "Charles III" during their lives as kings wouldn't be given regnal numbers until much later. This is mostly down to the fact that the first French King to call himself by a regnal number would call himself "Charles V" (see the Valois section), even though he was actually the ''sixth'' King named Charles. Oops...

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No, you're not seeing things. [[OneSteveLimit There were two French monarchs called "Charles III"]] – both half-brothers, no less.III"]]. However, neither Charles III the Fat nor Charles III the Simple were actually called "Charles III" during their lives as kings wouldn't be given regnal numbers until much later. This is mostly down to the fact that the first French King to call himself by a regnal number would call himself "Charles V" (see the Valois section), even though he was actually the ''sixth'' King named Charles. Oops...
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* UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte: See [[UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparteAndTheNapoleonicWarsInFiction here]].

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* UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte: See [[UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparteAndTheNapoleonicWarsInFiction [[MediaNotes/TheNapoleonicEraInFiction here]].
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His distant cousin [[UsefulNotes/CharlesDukeOfBurgundy Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy]], was his main opponent during the main part of his reign (and was initially far more powerful than him), but a combination of treachery and bribery - he ''never'' fought a battle against Charles - made him win, the Duke being finally killed after a defeat against the [[UsefulNotes/SwissWithArmyKnives Swiss army]].[[note]]According to [[Series/{{Connections}} James Burke]], Charles the Bold's unfortunate encounter with the Swiss--itself the result of the invention of banking, as Charles was invading Switzerland to get a more direct route to his Italian bankers' HQ--gave us (among other things) [[ForWantOfANail the modern concept of the army, canning, refrigeration, the thermos, and orbital rocketry]].[[/note]]

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His distant cousin [[UsefulNotes/CharlesDukeOfBurgundy Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy]], was his main opponent during the main part of his reign (and was initially far more powerful than him), but a combination of treachery and bribery - he ''never'' fought a battle against Charles - made him win, the Duke being finally killed after a defeat against the [[UsefulNotes/SwissWithArmyKnives Swiss army]].[[note]]According to [[Series/{{Connections}} James Burke]], Charles the Bold's unfortunate encounter with the Swiss--itself the result of the invention of banking, as Charles was invading Switzerland to get a more direct route to his Italian bankers' HQ--gave us (among other things) [[ForWantOfANail the modern concept of the army, canning, refrigeration, the thermos, and orbital rocketry]].rocketry.[[/note]]
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He returned after Napoléon's defeat in 1814 (the "Hundred Days" notwithstanding) and secured himself on the throne in the Bourbon Restoration. As king, Louis was [[KnowWhenToFoldEm savvy enough to recognize that the French Revolution had left permanent changes]], so he willingly made himself a constitutional monarch and kept the least threatening reforms of the Revolution in place. This made him popular enough to not face a revolution himself, and France started to stabilize a bit under his reign.

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He returned after Napoléon's defeat in 1814 (the "Hundred Days" notwithstanding) and secured himself on the throne in the Bourbon Restoration. As king, Louis was [[KnowWhenToFoldEm savvy enough to recognize that the French Revolution had left permanent changes]], so he willingly made himself a constitutional monarch (or at least, [[InsistentTerminology promulgated a Charter of Government]] that, while still insisting his power of kingship came down from God and not up from the people, was a de-facto constitution that limited his powers) and kept the least threatening reforms of the Revolution in place. This made him popular enough to not face a revolution himself, and France started to stabilize a bit under his reign.
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!!!Louis XVII

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!!!Louis XVII!!!"Louis XVII"



!!!Napoléon II

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!!!Napoléon II!!!"Napoléon II"
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!!Louis XVII
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!!Louis !!!Louis XVII
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!!Napoléon II
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!!Napoléon !!!Napoléon II
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!!Louis Antoine, Duke of Angoulême / "Louis XIX"

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!!Louis !!!Louis Antoine, Duke of Angoulême / "Louis XIX"



!!Henri, Count of Chambord / "Henri V"

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!!Henri, !!!Henri, Count of Chambord / "Henri V"



!!Philippe of Orléans, Count of Paris / "Louis Philippe II" / "Philippe VII"

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!!Philippe !!!Philippe of Orléans, Count of Paris / "Louis Philippe II" / "Philippe VII"
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'''Consorts:''' (1) UsefulNotes/JosephineDeBeauharnais (1796–1810); (2) Marie Louise, ''Duchess of Parma'' (1810–1814)

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'''Consorts:''' (1) UsefulNotes/JosephineDeBeauharnais (1796–1810); (2) Marie Louise, ''Duchess of Parma'' (1810–1814)(1810–1814)\\
'''Nicknames:''' ''le Petit Caporal'' ("the Little Corporal"); ''Caporal la Violette'' ("Corporal Violet")[[note]]the violet became a symbol of him and his return to power after his first exile[[/note]]; ''Le Général Entrepreneur'' ("the Contractor General")[[note]]for his many public works (not all of which he would finish)[[/note]]; ''Little Boney''[[note]]by the British[[/note]]; ''the Corsican Fiend''; ''the Eagle''[[note]]by Creator/LordByron[[/note]]
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No, you're not seeing things. [[OneSteveLimit There were two French monarchs called "Charles III"]] – both half-brothers, no less. However, neither Charles III the Fat nor Charles III the Simple actually called themselves "Charles III" as regnal numbers would be given until after their deaths. This is mostly down to the fact that the first French King to call himself by a regnal number would call himself "Charles V" (see the Valois section), even though he was actually the ''sixth'' King named Charles. Whoops…

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No, you're not seeing things. [[OneSteveLimit There were two French monarchs called "Charles III"]] – both half-brothers, no less. However, neither Charles III the Fat nor Charles III the Simple were actually called themselves "Charles III" during their lives as kings wouldn't be given regnal numbers would be given until after their deaths.much later. This is mostly down to the fact that the first French King to call himself by a regnal number would call himself "Charles V" (see the Valois section), even though he was actually the ''sixth'' King named Charles. Whoops…
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* Regency of Philippe d'Orléans: The novel ''Le Bossu'' by Creator/PaulFeval and its adaptations, including ''Film/{{Le Bossu|1959}}'' (1959, played by Paul Cambo) and ''Film/OnGuard'' (1997, played by Creator/PhilippeNoiret, who had [[RoleReprise already played him]] in the 1975 film ''Que la fête commence'').

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* Regency of Philippe d'Orléans: The novel ''Le Bossu'' ''Literature/LeBossu'' by Creator/PaulFeval and its adaptations, including ''Film/{{Le Bossu|1959}}'' (1959, played by Paul Cambo) and ''Film/OnGuard'' (1997, played by Creator/PhilippeNoiret, who had [[RoleReprise already played him]] in the 1975 film ''Que la fête commence'').
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**He also plays a prominent role in the ''Voice of the People'' [=DLC=] of ''[[VideoGame/VictoriaAnEmpireUnderTheSun Victoria 3]]'', which adds numerous events and mechanics for France. Should he successfully cement himself as a monarch of France, France will become the ''French Empire''.
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The first King of France to address himself by a regnal number, he actually screwed up the French regnal numbering system when he dubbed himself "Charles V," as it turns out he miscounted the number of Charleses in the list of French monarchs. He was actually the ''sixth'' French monarch named Charles (hence there being two "Charles IIIs" in the Carolingian dynasty).

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The first King of France to address himself by a regnal number, he actually screwed up the French regnal numbering system when he dubbed himself "Charles V," as it turns out he miscounted the number of Charleses in the list of French monarchs. He was actually the ''sixth'' French monarch named Charles (hence there being two "Charles IIIs" [=IIIs=]" in the Carolingian dynasty).
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