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* ExecutiveVeto: There's one type of story that will never be published in the 616 Continuity: a story where Frank Castle kills an innocent by accident, gets full of angst, and retires. Many authors wrote drafts for several variants of this plot twist, they are all archived and have never been published. Non-616 continuities however do have this story, such as in ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' where during the ''Death of Spider-Man'' arc, there was a mini-civil war between different factions of the Ultimates, Ultimate Punisher siding with Fury's team battles Captain America's team and in the course of that Frank Castle shoots at Steve Rogers but Spider-Man [[TakingTheBullet takes the bullet]] and a horrified Frank Castle immediately drops his weapons and cries out to be arrested or shot because he shot a child. The wound that Peter suffers played a part in weakening him before Norman Osborn and the Ultimate Six attack Spider-Man and in the course of which battle Ultimate Peter Parker dies [[spoiler:though he does get better in later issues]].
** This almost happens in the MAX continuity, before he realizes the girl wasn't shot with a bullet from his gun, the drug runners had killed her and set up her corpse where he'd be sure to find her.

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* ExecutiveVeto: There's one type of story that will never be published in the 616 Continuity: main Franchise/MarvelUniverse ('Earth-616') setting: a story where Frank Castle kills an innocent by accident, gets full of is filled with angst, and retires. Many Several authors wrote drafts for several variants of this plot twist, but they are all archived and have never been published. Non-616 Other continuities however do have this story, such as in ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' where during the ''Death of Spider-Man'' arc, there was a mini-civil war between different factions of the Ultimates, Ultimate Punisher siding with Fury's team battles Captain America's team and in the course of that Frank Castle shoots at Steve Rogers but Spider-Man [[TakingTheBullet takes the bullet]] and a horrified Frank Castle immediately drops his weapons and cries out to be arrested or shot because he shot a child. The wound that Peter suffers played a part in weakening him before Norman Osborn and the Ultimate Six attack Spider-Man and in the course of which battle Ultimate Peter Parker dies [[spoiler:though he does get better in later issues]].
** This almost happens in the MAX continuity, before but he realizes the girl wasn't shot with a bullet from by his gun, the and that drug runners had killed her and set up staged her corpse where he'd be sure to find her.



* QuietlyCancelled: [[https://www.gamesradar.com/missing-marvel-titles-2020/ Among the many projects had haven't seen the light of day]] even after Marvel resumed production following the couple of months halt caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic is a ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries, where the titular Barracuda from ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' would finally become a CanonImmigrant to Earth-616.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: As mentioned above, a planned miniseries would seen Barracuda finally become a CanonImmigrant to the classic Marvel Universe.

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* QuietlyCancelled: A ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries was among [[https://www.gamesradar.com/missing-marvel-titles-2020/ Among the many projects had haven't seen the light of day]] even after Marvel resumed production following projects]] that vanished after the couple of months halt disruption caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic is UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic. The series would have introduced a ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries, where the titular Barracuda from version of ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' would finally become a CanonImmigrant villain Barracuda to Earth-616.
the main Franchise/MarvelUniverse. It was officially announced and several issues were solicited for pre-orders, but as of 2023 it has never been published.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: As mentioned above, a WhatCouldHaveBeen:
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planned ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries by Declan Shalvey would seen have introduced ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' villain Barracuda finally become as a CanonImmigrant to the classic main Franchise/MarvelUniverse setting. It was announced and solicited to retailers, but then QuietlyCancelled after the initial disruption of the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic.
** Jimmy Palmiotti wrote a ''Punisher'' series with art from Dan Panosian, which has never been published or officially announced. Panosian tweeted some of the art in January 2023, saying that he'd completed three issues and it was still in the
Marvel Universe.
vaults; Palmiotti described it as "one of the craziest PUNISHER stories ever written".
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Dork Age was renamed


* FollowTheLeader: Almost single-handedly kick-started the DarkerAndEdgier trend of the late 80s and on through the 90s, and remains one of the few such series/characters to have retained his popularity and effectiveness after it died out (though Lord knows he's had his share of {{Dork Age}}s).

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* FollowTheLeader: Almost single-handedly kick-started the DarkerAndEdgier trend of the late 80s and on through the 90s, and remains one of the few such series/characters to have retained his popularity and effectiveness after it died out (though Lord knows he's had his share of {{Dork Age}}s).[[AudienceAlienatingEra Audience-Alienating Era]]s).
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Up To Eleven is a defunct trope


--> '''Iron Man:''' Although recently Castle has escalated his war on crime [[UpToEleven even further, with record-breaking body counts]], he is paradoxically now rarely encountered in the field by any superhero save Daredevil. (...) [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall It's almost like he inhabits two worlds, one where heroes can capture him and one where they can't, and he can slip from one to the other with ease]].

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--> '''Iron Man:''' Although recently Castle has escalated his war on crime [[UpToEleven even further, with record-breaking body counts]], counts, he is paradoxically now rarely encountered in the field by any superhero save Daredevil. (...) [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall It's almost like he inhabits two worlds, one where heroes can capture him and one where they can't, and he can slip from one to the other with ease]].
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Moving to YMMV


* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The Punisher came into his own during the decade of the crack epidemic, Bernie Goetz, David Dinkins, and John Gotti. Metaphorically speaking, he's never left.
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* CharacterSpecificPages: [[Characters/ThePunisherMAXThePunisher Earth-200111 Frank Castle / The Punisher]]

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!!The game

* RoleReprise: Creator/ThomasJane reprises his role from [[Film/ThePunisher2004 the 2004 film]] as the title character.

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!!The game

* RoleReprise: Creator/ThomasJane reprises his role from [[Film/ThePunisher2004 the 2004 film]] as the title character.
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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Creator/SteveDillon died in October 2016, when he was the book's current artist.


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* QuietlyCancelled: [[https://www.gamesradar.com/missing-marvel-titles-2020/ Among the many projects had haven't seen the light of day]] even after Marvel resumed production following the couple of months halt caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic is a ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries, where the titular Barracuda from ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' would finally become a CanonImmigrant to Earth-616.



* {{Vaporwave}}: [[https://www.gamesradar.com/missing-marvel-titles-2020/ Among the many projects had haven't seen the light of day]] even after Marvel resumed production following the couple of months halt caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic is a ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries, where the titular Barracuda from ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' would finally become a CanonImmigrant to Earth-616.

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!!The comic



* RoleReprise: Creator/ThomasJane reprises his role from [[Film/ThePunisher2004 the 2004 film]] as the title character.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: As mentioned above, a planned miniseries would seen Barracuda finally become a CanonImmigrant to the classic Marvel Universe.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: As mentioned above, a planned miniseries would seen Barracuda finally become a CanonImmigrant to the classic Marvel Universe.Universe.

!!The game

* RoleReprise: Creator/ThomasJane reprises his role from [[Film/ThePunisher2004 the 2004 film]] as the title character.
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* {{Vaporwave}}: [[https://www.gamesradar.com/missing-marvel-titles-2020/ Among the many projects had haven't seen the light of day]] even after Marvel resume production following the couple of months halt caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic is a ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries, where the titular Barracuda from ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' would finally become a CanonImmigrant to Earth-616.

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* {{Vaporwave}}: [[https://www.gamesradar.com/missing-marvel-titles-2020/ Among the many projects had haven't seen the light of day]] even after Marvel resume resumed production following the couple of months halt caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic is a ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries, where the titular Barracuda from ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' would finally become a CanonImmigrant to Earth-616.
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* CharacterSpecificPages: [[Characters/ThePunisherMAXThePunisher Earth-200111 Frank Castle / The Punisher]]
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* Vaporwave: [[https://www.gamesradar.com/missing-marvel-titles-2020/ Among the many projects had haven't seen the light of day]] even after Marvel resume production following the couple of months halt caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic is a ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries, where the titular Barracuda from ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' would finally become a CanonImmigrant to Earth-616.

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* Vaporwave: {{Vaporwave}}: [[https://www.gamesradar.com/missing-marvel-titles-2020/ Among the many projects had haven't seen the light of day]] even after Marvel resume production following the couple of months halt caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic is a ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries, where the titular Barracuda from ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' would finally become a CanonImmigrant to Earth-616.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The Punisher came into his own during the decade of the crack epidemic, Bernie Goetz, David Dinkins, and John Gotti. Metaphorically speaking, he's never left.

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The Punisher came into his own during the decade of the crack epidemic, Bernie Goetz, David Dinkins, and John Gotti. Metaphorically speaking, he's never left.left.
* Vaporwave: [[https://www.gamesradar.com/missing-marvel-titles-2020/ Among the many projects had haven't seen the light of day]] even after Marvel resume production following the couple of months halt caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic is a ''Punisher vs. Barracuda'' miniseries, where the titular Barracuda from ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' would finally become a CanonImmigrant to Earth-616.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: As mentioned above, a planned miniseries would seen Barracuda finally become a CanonImmigrant to the classic Marvel Universe.
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* ExiledFromContinuity: The MAX series for obvious reasons. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Creator/IronMan in the ''Civil War Handbook''

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* ExiledFromContinuity: The MAX series for obvious reasons. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Creator/IronMan ComicBook/IronMan in the ''Civil War Handbook''
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* ExiledFromContinuity: The MAX series.
--> '''Marvel ComicBook/CivilWar Handbook On Punisher:''' Although recently Castle has escalated his war on crime [[UpToEleven even further, with record-breaking body counts]], he is paradoxically now rarely encountered in the field by any superhero save Daredevil. (...) [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall It's almost like he inhabits two worlds, one where heroes can capture him and one where they can't, and he can slip from one to the other with ease]].

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* ExiledFromContinuity: The MAX series.
series for obvious reasons. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Creator/IronMan in the ''Civil War Handbook''
--> '''Marvel ComicBook/CivilWar Handbook On Punisher:''' '''Iron Man:''' Although recently Castle has escalated his war on crime [[UpToEleven even further, with record-breaking body counts]], he is paradoxically now rarely encountered in the field by any superhero save Daredevil. (...) [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall It's almost like he inhabits two worlds, one where heroes can capture him and one where they can't, and he can slip from one to the other with ease]].
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** This plot was also the basis for the plot of ''Film/PunisherWarZone'' where [[spoiler:Frank, during a raid to get to the future Jigsaw, shoots and kills an undercover FBI agent and doesn't realize the truth until he discovers a wire on the corpse.]]
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** This almost happens in the MAX continuity, before he realizes the girl wasn't shot with a bullet from his gun, the drug runners had killed her and set up her corpse where he'd be sure to find her.
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* RoleReprise: Creator/ThomasJane reprises his role from [[Film/ThePunisher2004 the 2004 film]] as the title character.
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* ExecutiveVeto: There's one type of story that will never be published: a story where Frank Castle kills an innocent by accident, gets full of angst, and retires. Many authors wrote drafts for several variants of this plot twist, they are all archived and have never been published.

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* ExecutiveVeto: There's one type of story that will never be published: published in the 616 Continuity: a story where Frank Castle kills an innocent by accident, gets full of angst, and retires. Many authors wrote drafts for several variants of this plot twist, they are all archived and have never been published. Non-616 continuities however do have this story, such as in ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' where during the ''Death of Spider-Man'' arc, there was a mini-civil war between different factions of the Ultimates, Ultimate Punisher siding with Fury's team battles Captain America's team and in the course of that Frank Castle shoots at Steve Rogers but Spider-Man [[TakingTheBullet takes the bullet]] and a horrified Frank Castle immediately drops his weapons and cries out to be arrested or shot because he shot a child. The wound that Peter suffers played a part in weakening him before Norman Osborn and the Ultimate Six attack Spider-Man and in the course of which battle Ultimate Peter Parker dies [[spoiler:though he does get better in later issues]].
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*** The non-MAX Ennis issues are now being republished in a series of [=TPBs=] as part of a general twentieth-anniversary repackaging of the Creator/MarvelKnights sub-imprint.

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*** The non-MAX Ennis issues are now being republished in a series of [=TPBs=] as part of a general twentieth-anniversary repackaging of the Creator/MarvelKnights sub-imprint.sub-imprint, including ''Kills the Marvel Universe'' in the first volume.
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*** The non-MAX Ennis issues are now being republished in a series of [=TPBs=] as part of a general twentieth-anniversary repackaging of the Creator/MarvelKnights sub-imprint.
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* OldShame: According to Garth Ennis's introduction to the first of the ''Complete Collection'' [=TPBs=] of his MAX run, he now views the Marvel Knights Punisher series in this light, believing that it was too comedic and had too much superhero-related content.
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* ExecutiveVeto: There's one type of story that will never be published: a story where Frank Castle kills an innocent by accident, gets full of angst, and retires. Many authors wrote drafts for several variants of this plot twist, they are all archived and have never been published.
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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Steve Dillon died in October 2016, when he was the book's current artist.

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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Steve Dillon Creator/SteveDillon died in October 2016, when he was the book's current artist.
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RIP Steve Dillon

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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Steve Dillon died in October 2016, when he was the book's current artist.
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* FollowTheLeader: Almost single-handedly kick-started the DarkerAndEdgier trend of the late 80s and on through the 90s, and remains one of the few such series/characters to have retained his popularity and effectiveness after it died out (though Lord knows he's had his share of {{Dork Age}}s).
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The Punisher came into his own during the decade of the crack epidemic, Bernie Goetz, David Dinkins, and John Gotti. Metaphorically speaking, he's never left.
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* ExiledFromContinuity: The MAX series.
--> '''Marvel ComicBook/CivilWar Handbook On Punisher:''' Although recently Castle has escalated his war on crime [[UpToEleven even further, with record-breaking body counts]], he is paradoxically now rarely encountered in the field by any superhero save Daredevil. (...) [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall It's almost like he inhabits two worlds, one where heroes can capture him and one where they can't, and he can slip from one to the other with ease]].
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** His fifth ongoing series, ''The Punisher'', ran for 37 issues. It was written by Garth Ennis very successful and popular. It was collected in trade paperbacks, save for issues 8-12 which weren't written by Ennis. The paperbacks are out of print. It was released in hardcovers but the hardcover line is incomplete with no sign of Marvel continuing. The hardcovers that do exist are also out of print. Finally, it was collected in one massive omnibus, which also collected the ''Welcome Back, Frank'' storyline. This is also out of print. As a final kicker, an issue included within the omnibus is ''The Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe.'' This is a very collectible issue and was collected in a trade paperback with ''Welcome Back, Frank''. ''Welcome Back, Frank'' has gotten a new trade edition. ''Kills the Marvel Universe'' is not included.

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** His fifth ongoing series, ''The Punisher'', ran for 37 issues. It was written by Garth Ennis very successful and popular. It was collected in trade paperbacks, save for issues 8-12 which weren't written by Ennis. The paperbacks are out of print. It was released in hardcovers but the hardcover line is incomplete with no sign of Marvel continuing. The hardcovers that do exist are also out of print. Finally, it was collected in one massive omnibus, which also collected the ''Welcome Back, Frank'' storyline. This is also out of print. As a final kicker, an issue included within the omnibus is ''The Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe.''Comicbook/ThePunisherKillsTheMarvelUniverse.'' This is a very collectible issue and was collected in a trade paperback with ''Welcome Back, Frank''. ''Welcome Back, Frank'' has gotten a new trade edition. ''Kills the Marvel Universe'' is not included.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Tons.
** His first ongoing series, ''The Punisher, Vol. 2'', ran for 108 issues and had seven annuals. Its only available in the black and white softcover Essentials collections, and those only have the first 40 issues and the first 3 annuals. Want the rest? Gotta wait and hope they continue the line. Oh, and some of the volumes are out of print.
** His second ongoing series, ''The Punisher War Journal'', ran for 80 issues. There is a single trade paperback collecting the series and it only has the first eight issues. There are also two out of print trades, one collecting the first three and the second collecting the next two, showing his first meeting with Comicbook/{{Wolverine}}.
** His third ongoing series, ''The Punisher War Zone'', ran for 41 issues and had two annuals. There are three trades collecting it but issues 7-25 and 37-41 and the annuals remain uncollected.
** His fourth ongoing series, simply titled ''Punisher'', ran for 18 issues. It is not collected in any format.
** His fifth ongoing series, ''The Punisher'', ran for 37 issues. It was written by Garth Ennis very successful and popular. It was collected in trade paperbacks, save for issues 8-12 which weren't written by Ennis. The paperbacks are out of print. It was released in hardcovers but the hardcover line is incomplete with no sign of Marvel continuing. The hardcovers that do exist are also out of print. Finally, it was collected in one massive omnibus, which also collected the ''Welcome Back, Frank'' storyline. This is also out of print. As a final kicker, an issue included within the omnibus is ''The Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe.'' This is a very collectible issue and was collected in a trade paperback with ''Welcome Back, Frank''. ''Welcome Back, Frank'' has gotten a new trade edition. ''Kills the Marvel Universe'' is not included.

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