History Trivia / SpirouAndFantasio

** Fournier used to particularly like Spip, to the point he sometimes showed his antics on a whole page, or made short stories revolving around him. Fournier even tried at some point to make a spin off journal for younger readers named "Spip", but it did not work.

** Fournier notoriously loathed Seccotine, deemed by him as a nuisance due to being irritating. He made it obvious by inventing Ororéa, her SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute, both a [[NiceGuy nice girl]], and liked by others characters. The only time he included Seccotine was in an anniversary story [[{{Homage}} homaging]] Franquin's characters, and she looked ugly in it. Fournier apparently didn't like Fantasio either, but in this case, it did not show up at all.
** Tome and Janry disliked Spip and [[DeadpanSnarker his acerbic remarks]]. To Tome, this capacity to articulate his thoughts was not realistic. As a result in ''Spirou et Fantasio à Moscou'', the trio is captured and BoundAndGagged in the very beginning. But when they are released, everyone forgets to remove the piece of tape on Spip's mouth. [[TakeThat The latter is subsequently mute for nearly the whole story]]. [[note]]Despite this is useless: it should not refrain Spip from expressing himself, as he thinks his lines and does not tell them out loud. [[/note]] Janry added that they had enough of his commentaries. Because Spip bothered them, it was their way to "punish" him. Spirou and Fantasio tend to forget him all along this story, and on purpose, to "not hear him protest." In the subsequent albums of this run, Spip's thoughts are not expressed for no reason. In the last volume of those authors, ''Machine qui rêve'', [[OutOfFocus Spip is only seen in a few panels in addition]].
* ExecutiveMeddling: Between 1980 and 1983, the series went through three different teams due to internal fights between the magazine's leadership. After owner Charles Dupuis suddenly decided to fire Fournier while he was busy writing a new story -and despite the support from the editor, Alain de Kuyssche-, concept director José Dutilleu hired Nic Broca and Cauvin to work on the series. But De Kuyssche wasn't happy with that unilateral decision, so he offered all the artists at the magazine the chance to draw their own Spirou, resulting in Tome and Janry handing in their vastly superior take on the series. During those years, even though Nic and Cauvin were the official Spirou team, Tome and Janry published several stories, including a full-length one (''Virus'') that was far better received by the readership than Nic and Cauvin's. It helped that, for some reason, the official team had not been allowed to use the series' large number of supporting characters, making their stories seem more of an "alternate universe" interpretation than a logical continuation, and causing them to be much weaker than Tome and Janry's, who didn't have that same limitation. After three years of internal struggle, and with the readers firmly on Tome and Janry's side, Dutilleu finally gave up and removed Nic and Cauvin from the series.
* ExiledFromContinuity: As Creator/AndreFranquin owned the rights to the Marsupilami, his departure from the series meant the species similarly vanished from it by 1970. It wouldn't be until 2016 (by which point Dupuis had bought Marsu Productions) that the species would return to the ''Spirou and Fantasio'' series.

** The series has been popular in Spain for decades and has mostly received timely translations. But 1998's ''Machine qui rêve'' was so divisive that the publisher that held the righs then, Grijalbo, gave up on them rather than translate it. The next imprint to acquire the rights, Planeta deAgostini, pretended that ''Machine'' simply didn't exist and moved on to the next one, ''Paris sous-Seine''. It took 19 years until a third publisher, Dibbuks, finally translated it in 2017.

* ScheduleSlip: Nearly all the major runs at their end (hence the changes of creative team), but Tome & Janry's was particularly egregious (up to three years between their last two albums).
* SequelGap: The classic series ended with ''Machine qui rêve'' in 1998. Because of the fans' dislike of that album, it took six years before the series continued in 2004 with ''Paris sous-Seine''.

** Fournier used to particularly like Spip, to the point he sometimes showed his antics on a whole page, or made shorts stories revolving around him. Fournier even tried at some point to make a spin off journal for younger readers named "Spip", but it did not worked.

** Fournier notoriously loathed Seccotine, deemed by him as a nuisance due to being irritating. He made it obvious by inventing Ororéa, her SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute, both a [[NiceGuy nice girl]], and liked by others characters. The only time he included Seccotine was in an anniversary story [[{{Homage}} homaging]] Franquin's characters, and she looked ugly in it. Fournier apparently didn't like Fantasio either, but in this case, it did not showed up at all.
** Tome and Janry disliked Spip and [[DeadpanSnarker his acerbic remarks]]. To Tome, this capacity to articulate his thoughts was not realistic. As a result in ''Spirou et Fantasio à Moscou'', the trio is captured and BoundAndGagged in the very beginning. But when they are released, everyone forgets to remove the piece of tape on Spip's mouth. [[TakeThat The latter is subsequently mute for nearly the whole story]]. [[note]]Despite this is useless: it should not refrain Spip to express himself, as he thinks his lines and do not tell them out loud. [[/note]] Janry added that they had enough of his commentaries. Because Spip bothered them, it was their way to "punish" him. Spirou and Fantasio tend to forget him all along this story, and on purpose, to "not hear him protest." In the subsequent albums of this run, Spip's thoughts are not expressed for no reason. In the last volume of those authors, ''Machine qui rêve'', [[OutOfFocus Spip is only seen in a few panels in addition]].

** Tome and Janry disliked Spip and [[DeadpanSnarker his acerbic remarks]]. To Tome, this capacity to articulate his thoughts was not realistic. As a result in ''Spirou et Fantasio à Moscou'', the trio is captured and BoundAndGagged in the very beginning. But when they are released, everyone forgets to remove the piece of tape on Spip's mouth. [[TakeThat The latter is subsequently mute for nearly the whole story]]. [[note]]Despite this is useless: it should not refrain Spip to think, as he thinks his line and do not tell them out loud. [[/note]] Janry added that they had enough of his commentaries. Because Spip bothered them, it was their way to "punish" him.

** Fournier used to particularly like Spip, to the point he sometimes showed his antics on a whole page, or made shorts stories revolving around him. Fournier even tried at some point to make a spin off journal for younger readers names "Spip", but it did not worked.

** Fournier notoriously disliked Seccotine, deemed as a nuisance due to being irritating. He made it obvious by inventing Ororéa, her SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute, both a [[NiceGuy nice girl]], and liked by others characters.

* SequelGap: The classic series ended with ''Machine qui rêve'' in 1998. Because of the fans' dislike of that album, it took 6 years before the series continued in 2004 with ''Paris sous-Seine''.

** Franquin and [[Creator/{{Herge}} Hergé]] wanted to make a one-page crossover between Spirou and [[Franchise/{{Tintin}} Tintin]] as part of [[AprilFoolsDay an April's Fool]], but [[ExecutiveMeddling the idea was shot down by their respective publishers]]. [[http://spiroureporter.net/2016/06/19/scanlation-sunday-the-big-crossover/ A sketch is all that remained.]]

* ExecutiveMeddling: Between 1980 and 1993, the series went through three different teams due to internal fights between the magazine's leadership. After owner Charles Dupuis suddenly decided to fire Fournier while he was busy writing a new story -and despite the support from the editor, Alain de Kuyssche-, concept director José Dutilleu hired Nic Broca and Cauvin to work on the series. But De Kuyssche wasn't happy with that unilateral decision, so he offered all the artists at the magazine the chance to draw their own Spirou, resulting in Tome and Janry handing in their vastly superior take on the series. During those years, even though Nic and Cauvin were the official Spirou team, Tome and Janry published several stories, including a full-length one (''Virus'') that was far better received by the readership than Nic and Cauvin's. It helped that, for some reason, the official team had not been allowed to use the series' large number of supporting characters, making their stories seem more of an "alternate universe" interpretation than a logical continuation, and causing them to be much weaker than Tome and Janry's, who didn't have that same limitation. After three years of internal struggle, and with the readers firmly on Tome and Janry's side, Dutilleu finally gave up and removed Nic and Cauvin from the series.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Between 1980 and 1993, the series went through three different teams due to internal fights between the magazine's leadership. After owner Charles Dupuis suddenly decided to fire Fournier while he was busy writing a new story -and despite the support from the editor, Alain de Kuyssche-, concept director José Dutilleu hired Nic Broca and Cauvin to work on the series. But De Kuyssche wasn't happy with that unilateral decision, so he offered all the artists at the magazine the chance to draw their own Spirou, resulting in Tome and Janry handing in their vastly superior take on the series. During those years, even though Nic and Cauvin were the official Spirou team, Tome and Janry published several stories, including a full-length one (''Virus'') that was far better received by readership than Nic and Cauvin's. It helped that, for some reason, the official team had not been allowed to use the series' large number of supporting characters, making their stories seem more of an "alternate universe" take on the series than their logical continuity, and much weaker than Tome and Janry's, who didn't have that same limitation. After three years of internal battle, and with the readers firmly on Tome and Janry's side, Dutilleu finally gave in and removed Nic and Cauvin from the series.

* ExecutiveMeddling: Between 1980 and 1993, the series went through three different teams due to internal fights between the magazine's leadership. After owner Charles Dupuis suddenly decided to fire Fournier while he was busy writing a new story - and despite the support from the editor, Alain de Kuyssche-, concept director José Dutilleu hired Nic Broca and Cauvin to take care of the series. But De Kuyssche wasn't happy with that unilateral decision, so he offered all the artists at the magazine the chance to draw their own Spirou, resulting in Tome and Janry handing in their vastly superior take on the series. During those years, even though Nic and Cauvin were the official Spirou team, Tome and Janry published several stories, including a full-length one (''Virus'') that was far better received by readership than Nic and Cauvin's. It helped that, for some reason, the official team had not been allowed to use the series' large number of supporting characters, making their stories seem more of an "alternate universe" take on the series than their logical continuity, and much weaker than Tome and Janry's, who didn't have that same limitation. After three years of internal battle, and with the readers firmly on Tome and Janry's side, Dutilleu finally gave in and removed Nic and Cauvin from the series.

* ExecutiveMeddling: Between 1980 and 1993, the series went through three different teams due to internal fights between the magazine's leadership. After owner Charles Dupuis suddenly decided to fire Fournier while he was busy writing a new story - and despite the support from the editor, Alain de Kuyssche-, concept director José Dutilleu hired Nic Broca and Cauvin to take care of the series. But De Kuyssche wasn't happy with that unilateral decision, so he offered all the artists at the magazine the chance to draw their own Spirou, resulting in Tome and Janry handing in their vastly superior take on the series. During those years, even though Nic and Cauvin were the official Spirou team, Tome and Janry published several stories, including a full-length one (''Virus'') that was far better received by readership than Nic and Cauvin's. It helped that, for some reason, the latter had not been allowed to use the series' large number of supporting characters, making their stories seem more of an "alternate universe" take on the series than their logical continuity. After three years of internal battle, and with the readers firmly on Tome and Janry's side, Dutilleu finally gave in and removed Nic and Cauvin from the series.

* ExecutiveMeddling: Between 1980 and 1993, the series went through three different teams due to internal fights between the magazine's leadership. After owner Charles Dupuis suddenly decided to fire Fournier while he was busy writing a new story - and despite the support from the editor, Alain de Kuyssche-, concept director José Dutilleu hired Nic Broca and Cauvin to take care of the series. But De Kuyssche wasn't happy with that unilateral decision, so he offered all the artists at the magazine the chance to draw their own Spirou, resulting in Tome and Janry handing in their vastly superior take on the series. During those years, even though Nic and Cauvin were the official Spirou team, Tome and Janry published several stories, including a full-length one (''Virus'') that was much more popular between the readership than Nic and Cauvin's. It helped that, for some reason, the latter had not been allowed to use the series' large number of supporting characters, making their stories seem more of an "alternate universe" take on the series than their logical continuity. After three years of internal battle, and with the readers firmly on Tome and Janry's side, Dutilleu finally gave in and removed Nic and Cauvin from the series.

* ExecutiveMeddling: Between 1980 and 1993, the series went through three different teams due to internal fights between the magazine's leadership. After owner Charles Dupuis suddenly decided to fire Fournier while he was busy writing a new story - and despite the support from the editor, Alain de Kuyssche-, concept director José Dutilleu hired Nic Broca and Cauvin to take care of the series. But De Kuyssche wasn't happy, so he offered all the artists at the magazine the chance to draw their own Spirou, resulting in Tome and Janry handing in their vastly superior take on the series. During those years, even though Nic and Cauvin were the official Spirou team, Tome and Janry published several stories, including a full-length one (''Virus'') that was much more popular between the readership than Nic and Cauvin's. It helped that, for some reason, the latter had not been allowed to use the series' large number of supporting characters, making their stories seem more of an "alternate universe" take on the series than their logical continuity. After three years of internal battle, and with the readers firmly on Tome and Janry's side, Dutilleu finally gave in and removed Nic and Cauvin from the series.

* ExecutiveMeddling: Between 1980 and 1993, the series went through three different teams due to internal fights between the magazine's leadership. After owner Charles Dupuis decided to fire Fournier -despite the support from the editor, Alain de Kuyssche-, concept director José Dutilleu hired Nic Broca and Cauvin to take care of the series. But De Kuyssche wasn't happy, so he offered all the artists at the magazine the chance to draw their own Spirou, resulting in Tome and Janry handing in their vastly superior take on the series. During those years, even though Nic and Cauvin were the official Spirou team, Tome and Janry published several stories, including a full-length one (''Virus'') that was much more popular between the readership than Nic and Cauvin's. It helped that, for some reason, the latter had not been allowed to use the series' large number of supporting characters, making their stories seem more of an "alternate universe" take on the series than their logical continuity. After three years of internal battle, and with the readers firmly on Tome and Janry's side, Dutilleu finally gave in and removed Nic and Cauvin from the series.

** The series has been popular in Spain for decades and has often got timely translations. But 1998's ''Machine qui rêve'' was so divisive that the publisher that held the righs then, Grijalbo, gave up on them rather than translate it. The next imprint to acquire the rights, Planeta deAgostini, pretended that ''Machine'' simply didn't exist and moved on to the next one, ''Paris sous-Seine''. It took 19 years until a third publisher, Dibbuks, finally translated it in 2017.

** The series has been popular in Spain for decades and has often got timely translations. But 1998's ''Machine qui rêve'' was so divisive that the publisher that held the righs then, Grijalbo, gave up on them rather than translate it. The next imprint to acquire the rights, Planeta deAgostini, pretended that ''Machine'' simply didn't exist and moved on to the next one, ''Paris sous-Seine''. It took 19 years, until a third publisher, Dibbuks, finally translated it in 2017.

* SequelGap: The classic series ended with ''Machine qui rêve'' in 1998. Because of the fans' dislike of that album, it took 6 years before the series continued in 2004 with ''Paris-sous-Seine''.

* RecycledScript: A recurring villain has kidnapped an important member of the supporting cast and it's up to Spirou and Fantasio to rescue him by travelling to an abandoned castle in small town, which the locals insist is haunted. Upon closer inspection, though, it turns out it's just full of booby traps to scare any intruders away. ''Le faiseur d'or'', or ''L'Abayee truquée''? Spirou himself lampshades it in the latter. It doesn't help that there was only one other album between the two.

* RecycledScript: An existing villain has kidnapped an important member of the supporting cast and it's up to Spirou and Fantasio to rescue him by travelling to an abandoned castle in small town, which the locals insist is haunted. Upon closer inspection, though, it turns out it's just full of booby traps to scare any intruders away. ''Le faiseur d'or'', or ''L'Abayee truquée''? Spirou himself lampshades it in the latter. It doesn't help that there was only one other album between the two.

* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ''QRN sur Bretzelburg'' was intended by Franquin to be another Zorglub-centric story, [[ExecutiveMeddling but this was vetoed by the publisher]] because of the character's prominence at that time, forcing a rewrite.

* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** ''QRN sur Bretzelburg'' was intended by Franquin to be another Zorglub-centric story, [[ExecutiveMeddling but this was vetoed by the publisher]] because of the character's prominence at that time, forcing a rewrite.
** Following ''Machine qui rêve'', Tome and Janry worked on a story titled ''Spirou in Cuba'', which would have had Zorglub (now [[NotSoHarmlessVillain portrayed more seriously than before]]) plot to take over Cuba and turn it into a large prison, with the inmates becoming gladiators fighting for their lives in virtual reality games. For several reasons, the story remained in DevelopmentHell before ultimately being scrapped, [[http://spiroureporter.net/2013/05/26/scanlation-sunday-spirou-in-cuba/ with only the first eight pages completed]].

* SequelGap: The classic series ended with ''Machine qui rêve'' in 1998. Because of the fans' dislike of that album, it took 6 years before the series continued in 2004 with ''Paris-sous-Seine''.

* SequelGap: The classic series ended with ''Machine qui rêve'' in 1998. Because of the fans dislike of that album, it took 6 years before the series continued in 2004 with ''Paris-sous-Seine''.