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* ShownTheirWork: As silly as this show is, it's a surprisingly accurate portrayal of Paleolithic. Early humans really did live in egalitarian polygamous societies, interspecies sex between Homo sapiens and Neanderthals was widespread and cannibalism was fairly common. The costuming, though stylized and simplified, is also more-or-less accurate to the period, right down to Jemilla's intricate shell jewelry

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** The tribe chants "Firebringer! Firebringer!" with the same rhythm as Achmed's soldiers going "Tigerfucker! Tigerfucker!" in ''{{Theater/Twisted}}''.
* ShownTheirWork: As silly as this show is, it's a surprisingly accurate portrayal of Paleolithic. Early humans really did live in egalitarian polygamous societies, interspecies sex between Homo sapiens and Neanderthals was widespread and cannibalism was fairly common. The costuming, though stylized and simplified, is also more-or-less accurate to the period, right down to Jemilla's intricate shell jewelryjewelry.
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Hollywood Prehistory, as the trope is now named, is inaccurate by definition.


** Nick Lang said that trying to make a OneMillionBC show that was at all historically accurate and still be funny would be impossible, but they still insisted on certain details for the sake of internal consistency. One big one was establishing the tribe has not yet begun hunting animals or even invented knives, which means any fur pieces in the costumes had to be scavenged animal parts (or [[{{Squick}} whole animals]]) rather than dressed skins.

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** Nick Lang said that trying to make a OneMillionBC show set in prehistory that was at all historically accurate and still be funny would be impossible, but they still insisted on certain details for the sake of internal consistency. One big one was establishing the tribe has not yet begun hunting animals or even invented knives, which means any fur pieces in the costumes had to be scavenged animal parts (or [[{{Squick}} whole animals]]) rather than dressed skins.
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* OneMillionBC: While the play has a Stone Age setting played for laughs, it mostly averts this. The narrator laughs off the notion that dinosaurs still exist, and [[spoiler:humans and Neanderthals are correctly depicted as two separate types of people (if not necessarily different species) that existed at the same time.]]
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* BareYourMidriff: Jemilla.
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* HealingHands: [[spoiler:Chorn was able to regrow Grunt's arm by touching him. She can't do feet but offered to give him arms where his feet used to be.]]

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* HealingHands: [[spoiler:Chorn was able to regrow Grunt's arm by touching him. She can't do feet but offered to give him arms hands where his feet used to be.]]
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* HideYourChildren: It's mentioned the tribe has "little ones" ([[BlackComedy now that they've stopped eating them]]) but they're never seen onstage, since their presence would likely make the perils the tribe faces less funny. [[spoiler: We do see children among the Neanderthals, but that's because the Neanderthal village is a bit of a MarySueTopia.]]

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* HideYourChildren: It's mentioned the tribe has "little ones" ([[BlackComedy now that they've stopped eating them]]) but they're never seen onstage, since their presence would likely make the perils the tribe faces less funny. [[spoiler: We do see children among the Neanderthals, but that's because the Neanderthal village is a bit of a MarySueTopia.{{Utopia}}.]]
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* SillyReasonForWar: The "Great Debate" dividing the tribe is this UpToEleven, consisting of Chorn [[PokemonSpeak repeatedly saying the word "Chorn"]] and Smelly-Balls angrily replying "No!" Jemilla earns the title "Peacemaker" by gently suggesting that Smelly-Balls instead reply to the word "Chorn" with "Yes".

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* SillyReasonForWar: The "Great Debate" dividing the tribe is this UpToEleven, up to eleven, consisting of Chorn [[PokemonSpeak repeatedly saying the word "Chorn"]] and Smelly-Balls angrily replying "No!" Jemilla earns the title "Peacemaker" by gently suggesting that Smelly-Balls instead reply to the word "Chorn" with "Yes".
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* {{Corpsing}}: The reason the whole tribe is averting their gaze in awe from [[spoiler: Chorn]] in the ending is no one can look at the costume or hear [[spoiler: Jamie Burns']] hilariously overwrought performance without breaking into laughter.
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* {{Meganekko}}: Emberly.

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* ChekhovsSkill: Played with. Zazzalil's flashes of scientific insight and Jemilla's gift for organization are both this. Grunt teaching Emberly the art of painting looks like it's going to be this for a minute, but then [[RealityEnsues totally fails to make any difference in the final battle against Snarl]]. But then [[spoiler: Chorn says that the lessons learned today will be forgotten unless Grunt uses his art to commemorate them, which makes him important enough for her to go out of her way to heal his arm]]. Possibly a bit of SelfDeprecation from Team Starkid, who themselves are not scientists or politicians but creative artists who make musicals about why those people are important.

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* ChekhovsSkill: Played with. Zazzalil's flashes of scientific insight and Jemilla's gift for organization are both this. Grunt teaching Emberly the art of painting looks like it's going to be this for a minute, but then [[RealityEnsues totally fails to make any difference in the final battle against Snarl]].Snarl. But then [[spoiler: Chorn says that the lessons learned today will be forgotten unless Grunt uses his art to commemorate them, which makes him important enough for her to go out of her way to heal his arm]]. Possibly a bit of SelfDeprecation from Team Starkid, who themselves are not scientists or politicians but creative artists who make musicals about why those people are important.



* DidntThinkThisThrough: Jemilla's policy to rule over the tribe using honesty and reason rather than Molag ruling through lies and threats lasts for about a day before she's overthrown.
** Zazzalil's policy to use fire to solve all the tribe's problems soon runs into predictable problems of its own (at least, from the point of view of us modern "privileged fucks").



* RealityEnsues: Jemilla's policy to rule over the tribe using honesty and reason rather than Molag ruling through lies and threats lasts for about a day before she's overthrown.
** Zazzalil's policy to use fire to solve all the tribe's problems soon runs into predictable problems of its own (at least, from the point of view of us modern "privileged fucks").



* UnspokenPlanGuarantee: ''Multiply'' subverted. Emberly's idea to draw a picture of a flame on a rock with poop to frighten Snarl seems obviously doomed to fail... until it turns out it's not needed at all because Snarl is asleep. Only for Zazzalil and Jemilla to show up and awaken Snarl, only for Snarl to ''actually be intimidated by the picture'', only for him to suddenly realize the fire is fake ''because he can smell the poop''. Then the unspoken plan Jemilla came up with just turns out to be to try to stab Snarl through the eyesockets with spears, which [[RealityEnsues turns out to be harder than it sounds]]. ''Then'', finally, Zazzalil resolves the plot by suddenly realizing how to create new fire on her own, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin as the name of the show would imply]].

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* UnspokenPlanGuarantee: ''Multiply'' subverted. Emberly's idea to draw a picture of a flame on a rock with poop to frighten Snarl seems obviously doomed to fail... until it turns out it's not needed at all because Snarl is asleep. Only for Zazzalil and Jemilla to show up and awaken Snarl, only for Snarl to ''actually be intimidated by the picture'', only for him to suddenly realize the fire is fake ''because he can smell the poop''. Then the unspoken plan Jemilla came up with just turns out to be to try to stab Snarl through the eyesockets with spears, which [[RealityEnsues turns out to be harder than it sounds]].sounds. ''Then'', finally, Zazzalil resolves the plot by suddenly realizing how to create new fire on her own, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin as the name of the show would imply]].
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* IntelligibleUnintelligible: Chorn singing her name to Zazzazil is apparently a devastating TheReasonYouSuckSpeech judging by her reaction.
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* AffablyEvil: Molag was a brutal warmongering tyrant who lied to the tribe for years, but she's otherwise a pretty easy-going CoolOldLady.

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* NotSoDifferent: Zazzalil and Jemilla, who end up admitting they've both been selfish and prideful but both ultimately have the good of their people at heart in their song "Together".
** PlayedForLaughs when [[spoiler: Chorn fails to fully heal Grunt. Despite all her advanced technology, she, like him, also cannot do feet.]]

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* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferentRemark: Zazzalil and Jemilla, who end up admitting they've both been selfish and prideful but both ultimately have the good of their people at heart in their song "Together".
** PlayedForLaughs when [[spoiler: Chorn fails to fully heal Grunt. Despite all her advanced technology, she, like him, also cannot do feet.]]
"Together".
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* HiddenDepths: Smelly-Balls spends most of the story as DumbMuscle with an UnfortunateName, but is a highly evocative storyteller in "The Night Belongs to Snarl", and is the one who gives the RousingSpeech to mount an expedition first to save Zazzalil, then Grunt.

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* HiddenDepths: Smelly-Balls spends most of the story as DumbMuscle with an UnfortunateName, a poor name, but is a highly evocative storyteller in "The Night Belongs to Snarl", and is the one who gives the RousingSpeech to mount an expedition first to save Zazzalil, then Grunt.
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* ArtisticLiscencePaleontology: Invoked. Molag jokes that Snarl is "A huge fuckin' dinosaur." But of course, cavemen didn't cohabit with dinosaurs. He's actualy a sabre-toothed tiger.

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* ArtisticLiscencePaleontology: ArtisticLicensePaleontology: Invoked. Molag jokes that Snarl is "A huge fuckin' dinosaur." But of course, cavemen didn't cohabit with dinosaurs. He's actualy a sabre-toothed tiger.
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* ArtisticLiscencePaleontology: Invoked. Molag jokes that Snarl is "A huge fuckin' dinosaur." But of course, cavemen didn't cohabit with dinosaurs. He's actualy a sabre-toothed tiger.
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Creator/{{Team StarKid}}'s tenth full-length stage musical, which was released online on January 1, 2017, having been performed in August of the previous year. This "Stone Age musical" is [=StarKid's=] first female-driven production; Meredith Stepien joins the usual writing team of Matt Lang, Nick Lang, and Brian Holden, and Julia Albain joins Nick Lang as director. The music was written by Meredith Stepien and Mark Swiderski.

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Creator/{{Team StarKid}}'s tenth full-length stage musical, which was released online on January 1, 2017, having been performed in August of the previous year. This "Stone Age musical" is [=StarKid's=] first female-driven production; Meredith Stepien Creator/MeredithStepien joins the usual writing team of Matt Lang, Nick Lang, the Creator/LangBrothers and Brian Holden, Creator/BrianHolden, and Julia Albain joins Nick Lang as director. The music was written by Meredith Stepien and Mark Swiderski.



* '''Jemilla''' (Meredith Stepien), the tribe's level-headed leader, who values tradition and is shaken by the realization that everything the tribe knows is a lie.
* '''Keeri''' (Denise Donovan), Zazzalil's [[TheDitz ditzy]] best friend and fellow nut-gatherer, and the inventor of dance.

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* '''Jemilla''' (Meredith Stepien), (Creator/MeredithStepien), the tribe's level-headed leader, who values tradition and is shaken by the realization that everything the tribe knows is a lie.
* '''Keeri''' (Denise Donovan), (Creator/DeniseDonovan), Zazzalil's [[TheDitz ditzy]] best friend and fellow nut-gatherer, and the inventor of dance.



* '''Emberly''' (Rachael Soglin), the tribe's geeky food specialist.
* '''Grunt''' (Joey Richter), an outsider without a tribe of his own, who strikes up a romance with Emberly.
* '''Schwoopsie''' (Jaime Lyn Beatty), the inventor of comedy.

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* '''Emberly''' (Rachael Soglin), (Creator/RachaelSoglin), the tribe's geeky food specialist.
* '''Grunt''' (Joey Richter), (Creator/JoeyRichter), an outsider without a tribe of his own, who strikes up a romance with Emberly.
* '''Schwoopsie''' (Jaime Lyn Beatty), (Creator/JaimeLynBeatty), the inventor of comedy.



* '''Smelly-Balls''' (Brian Holden), an [[MeaningfulName aptly-named]] tribesman who's always ready to rush into danger.

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* '''Smelly-Balls''' (Brian Holden), (Creator/BrianHolden), an [[MeaningfulName aptly-named]] tribesman who's always ready to rush into danger.

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* BiTheWay: Sexuality is very fluid in the show. See EveryoneIsBi below.



* ButchLesbian: Schwoopsie has a gravely voice and is decidedly unfeminine. She and [[BiTheWay Jemilla]] are married at the beginning of the show.

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* ButchLesbian: Schwoopsie has a gravely voice and is decidedly unfeminine. She and [[BiTheWay Jemilla]] Jemilla are married at the beginning of the show.
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** To Disney/LiloAndStitch, with Smelly-Balls' somewhat arbitrary epiphany that "'Chorn' means family".

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** To Disney/LiloAndStitch, WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitch, with Smelly-Balls' somewhat arbitrary epiphany that "'Chorn' means family".
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* InformedAttribute: Enforced. The characters often ''say'' things to remind you that they are savages who until recently ate babies and were ruled by "Molag, the War-Master", however the tribe shows little capacity for actual violence, having only just invented weapons. This allows the show to have ComedicSociopathy without actually having the characters be sociopaths.
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* BabyPlanet: Molag spends most of the play walking in a straight line, trying to reach the edge of the world. By the end of the play (which doesn't seem to be more than a few days or weeks) she's gone all the way around the world and come back to the tribe.
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* TheFederation: [[spoiler:The alien government that seeded life on Earth was called the Federation of Chorn]].


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* HealingHands: [[spoiler:Chorn was able to regrow Grunt's arm by touching him. She can't do feet but offered to give him arms where his feet used to be.]]

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* AnArmAndALeg: Grunt -- specifically, his arm and both feet are eaten by Snarl, who has saved the rest for later. [[OnlyAFleshWound He seems otherwise perfectly healthy]], only mourning the loss of his "drawing arm".


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* MegaNeko: The saber tooth tiger puppet is about the same size as the mammoth.
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* [[spoiler: EnergyBeings: Chorn's true species.]]

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* [[spoiler: EnergyBeings: Chorn's [[spoiler:Chorn's true species.]]
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* TheDiscoveryOfFire: It's ''The Discovery Of Fire: The Musical''.
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* {{Panspermia}}: [[spoiler:Chorn's race seeded Earth millions of years ago.]]

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* {{Panspermia}}: [[spoiler:Chorn's race seeded Earth millions billions of years ago.]]

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* NounVerber: The title of the show, of course; Ducker gives Zaz this title after she verbs the noun. Also Molag the Warmaster, Jemilla the Peacemaker, and, briefly, Emberley the Fireshitter.
* NubileSavage: With the [[{{Gonk}} notable exception of Chorn]], the overwhelming majority of this primitive tribe consists of attractive women, with clean hair and flattering outfits.



* NounVerber: The title of the show, of course; Ducker gives Zaz this title after she verbs the noun. Also Molag the Warmaster, Jemilla the Peacemaker, and, briefly, Emberley the Fireshitter.
* NubileSavage: With the [[{{Gonk}} notable exception of Chorn]], the overwhelming majority of this primitive tribe consists of attractive women, with clean hair and flattering outfits.


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* {{Panspermia}}: [[spoiler:Chorn's race seeded Earth millions of years ago.]]

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