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At best Rutee is a Base Breaker, especially when compared to Leon considering that he regularly shocked the party on multiple occasions in the original. Rutee's greed only ever became significant in the Bad Ending where she and the rest of the party beat and become unstoppable bandits which admittedly pretty out of character for all of them.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny'': Rutee in the original game. She's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold {{Tsundere}} OnlyInItForTheMoney with too much emphasis on the jerk part, too much story sympathy, and violent interactions with characters who don't deserve it. Added with the DieForOurShip from Stahn[=/=]Leon fans, she's not well-liked at all, though her Jerkass tendencies were toned down in the remake, much like Leon's, and she shows remorse for some of her actions, like insulting Philia.
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** Sodia also tends to get a lot of hate, mostly due to [[spoiler:stabbing Yuri at the end of part 2. To be fair, she ''instantly'' regrets it.]] In her case, it doesn't help that many view her as a [[{{Clingy Jealous Girl}} Clingy Jealous Fangirl]] or that she's EasilyForgiven, the latter being false because [[spoiler: Yuri]] makes it perfectly clear that she is not forgiven and that Flynn not knowing is only because he needs someone he can trust by his side.
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** Sodia also tends to get a lot of hate, mostly due to [[spoiler:stabbing Yuri at the end of part 2. To be fair, she ''instantly'' regrets it.]] In her case, it doesn't help that many view her as a [[{{Clingy Jealous Girl}} [[ClingyJealousGirl Clingy Jealous Fangirl]] or that she's EasilyForgiven, the latter being false because [[spoiler: Yuri]] makes it perfectly clear that she is not forgiven and that Flynn not knowing is only because he needs someone he can trust by his side.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia'':
** Even though she's a minor character, Isla is very disliked by the Tales fans due to being a BitchInSheepsClothing and a hypocrite at the same time. The biggest kicker? [[spoiler:she sold Elize into slavery, and SHE'S BEEN POISONING ALVIN'S MOM!]]
** Ivar. '''Big Time.''' If his troublesome attitude doesn't tick you off, [[spoiler:then certainly his ineptitude to activate the Lance of Kresnik through Gilland's letters will do that]].
** Muzet, largely due to her KarmaHoudini status. [[spoiler: In Jude's path she outright ''murders'' most of the villagers in Nia Khera, just because they had heard [[HeKnowsTooMuch stories about the schism]], and to top it all off, also giving Jude a malignant MindRape about Milla's status as a double for Maxwell a bit too gleefully that he fell into a ''big'' HeroicBSOD. In Milla's path she does the same but we learn she also slaughtered many spirits out of suspicion that one may be Milla in disguise. Her feelings of being abandoned by Maxwell can come off as {{Wangst}} to the player.]] On top of all this, she's an absurdly cheap boss in Milla's story, one of the hardest in the game.
** Even though she's a minor character, Isla is very disliked by the Tales fans due to being a BitchInSheepsClothing and a hypocrite at the same time. The biggest kicker? [[spoiler:she sold Elize into slavery, and SHE'S BEEN POISONING ALVIN'S MOM!]]
** Ivar. '''Big Time.''' If his troublesome attitude doesn't tick you off, [[spoiler:then certainly his ineptitude to activate the Lance of Kresnik through Gilland's letters will do that]].
** Muzet, largely due to her KarmaHoudini status. [[spoiler: In Jude's path she outright ''murders'' most of the villagers in Nia Khera, just because they had heard [[HeKnowsTooMuch stories about the schism]], and to top it all off, also giving Jude a malignant MindRape about Milla's status as a double for Maxwell a bit too gleefully that he fell into a ''big'' HeroicBSOD. In Milla's path she does the same but we learn she also slaughtered many spirits out of suspicion that one may be Milla in disguise. Her feelings of being abandoned by Maxwell can come off as {{Wangst}} to the player.]] On top of all this, she's an absurdly cheap boss in Milla's story, one of the hardest in the game.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia'':
** Even though she's a minor character, Isla is very disliked by the Tales fans due to being a BitchInSheepsClothing and a hypocrite at the same time. The biggest kicker? [[spoiler:she sold Elize into slavery, and SHE'S BEEN POISONING ALVIN'S MOM!]]
** Ivar. '''Big Time.''' If his troublesome attitude doesn't tick you off, [[spoiler:then certainly his ineptitude to activate the Lance of Kresnik through Gilland's letters will do that]].
**''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia'': Muzet, largely due to her KarmaHoudini status. [[spoiler: In Jude's path she outright ''murders'' most of the villagers in Nia Khera, just because they had heard [[HeKnowsTooMuch stories about the schism]], and to top it all off, also giving Jude a malignant MindRape about Milla's status as a double for Maxwell a bit too gleefully that he fell into a ''big'' HeroicBSOD. In Milla's path she does the same but we learn she also slaughtered many spirits out of suspicion that one may be Milla in disguise. Her feelings of being abandoned by Maxwell can come off as {{Wangst}} to the player.]] On top of all this, she's an absurdly cheap boss in Milla's story, one of the hardest in the game.
** Even though she's a minor character, Isla is very disliked by the Tales fans due to being a BitchInSheepsClothing and a hypocrite at the same time. The biggest kicker? [[spoiler:she sold Elize into slavery, and SHE'S BEEN POISONING ALVIN'S MOM!]]
** Ivar. '''Big Time.''' If his troublesome attitude doesn't tick you off, [[spoiler:then certainly his ineptitude to activate the Lance of Kresnik through Gilland's letters will do that]].
**
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** Teepo. Sweet mercy, ''Teepo''. If you don't find him annoying, you ''may'' hate him after [[spoiler: he gets forcibly reset, and can only tell Elize he's "just a machine" right when she needs him the most.]]
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'':
** Rose is generally viewed in Japan as being a Scrappy in part due to the whole Alisha controversy, but also due to the game's rather poor writing for her character, such as her being [[spoiler: part of a group of "pure-hearted" assassins who only targets people who have bad intentions in their eyes]], which is flimsily justified in game. Other reasons include her ability to Armatize with the Seraphs on the grounds that [[spoiler:Dezel possessing her somehow allows her to do so]], and how much of her character seems rushed including backstory and personality. The Alisha DLC made this worse for those who dislike her for TookALevelInJerkass and [[spoiler:becoming the Shepherd while Sorey is asleep.]] The backlash of all these combined was so strong in Japan that it's almost as well-known as the game itself. She's less divisive in the west, but there are still some who feel this way.
** Rose is generally viewed in Japan as being a Scrappy in part due to the whole Alisha controversy, but also due to the game's rather poor writing for her character, such as her being [[spoiler: part of a group of "pure-hearted" assassins who only targets people who have bad intentions in their eyes]], which is flimsily justified in game. Other reasons include her ability to Armatize with the Seraphs on the grounds that [[spoiler:Dezel possessing her somehow allows her to do so]], and how much of her character seems rushed including backstory and personality. The Alisha DLC made this worse for those who dislike her for TookALevelInJerkass and [[spoiler:becoming the Shepherd while Sorey is asleep.]] The backlash of all these combined was so strong in Japan that it's almost as well-known as the game itself. She's less divisive in the west, but there are still some who feel this way.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'':
**''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'': Rose is generally viewed in Japan as being a Scrappy in part due to the whole Alisha controversy, but also due to the game's rather poor writing for her character, such as her being [[spoiler: part of a group of "pure-hearted" assassins who only targets people who have bad intentions in their eyes]], which is flimsily justified in game. Other reasons include her ability to Armatize with the Seraphs on the grounds that [[spoiler:Dezel possessing her somehow allows her to do so]], and how much of her character seems rushed including backstory and personality. The Alisha DLC made this worse for those who dislike her for TookALevelInJerkass and [[spoiler:becoming the Shepherd while Sorey is asleep.]] The backlash of all these combined was so strong in Japan that it's almost as well-known as the game itself. She's less divisive in the west, but there are still some who feel this way.
**
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''
** Chocolat, who is a DamselInDistress the party must save ''twice''. She's kidnapped by Magnius and his Desian goons and taken to the Human Ranch near Palmacosta. When Lloyd and company show up to save her, Magnius reveals Lloyd killed Chocolat's grandmother Marble back in Iselia. Chocolat freaks out, ''refuses'' to accept that Lloyd tried to ''save'' Marble, only killing her because [[MercyKill she asked him to]], and [[WhatAnIdiot Chocolat willingly allows the Desians to take her away rather than be rescued by Lloyd]]. Much later in the game, the group must infiltrate the Iselia Human Ranch, and Chocolat still refuses to thank Lloyd and only allows the group to save her begrudgingly. The game does attempt to redeem her by having her call out the HateSink Mayor of Iselia, but in the eyes of many players, it's too little, too late.
** In a game full of despicable villains, Rodyle is arguably the least-liked of the Desian Grand Cardinals, mostly for the way he treats Presea and [[MoralEventHorizon drowns a bunch of hostages in his Human Ranch just to spite Lloyd's group.]] However, he also just simply isn't as cool as some of the other Grand Cardinals, not as [[LargeHam hammy]] as Magnius, as classy as Pronyma, as cunning as Kvar or having any NobleDemon qualities like Forcystus and his outfit is ''ridiculous''.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Walter Delques is posed to be TheRival of sorts for the main story, serving as a lesser evil compared to Vaclav and Solon. Walter is portrayed as incredibly aloof, but fans tend to think of this aloofness as [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every moment he can, [[FantasticRacism is the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes goes beyond reason, such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of working with humans. And eventually, it's revealed that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty Nope]]; Walter's just jealous that TheHero Senel has more of Shirley's affection than he does. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool, and jerkass characters can have their own charm in the ''Tales'' series, Walter has no redeeming traits and instead comes off as extremely annoying. As such, he doesn't get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains.
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** In a game full of despicable villains, Rodyle is arguably the least-liked of the Desian Grand Cardinals, mostly for the way he treats Presea and [[MoralEventHorizon drowns a bunch of hostages in his Human Ranch just to spite Lloyd's group.]] However, he also just simply isn't as cool as some of the other Grand Cardinals, not as [[LargeHam hammy]] as Magnius, as classy as Pronyma, as cunning as Kvar or having any NobleDemon qualities like Forcystus and his outfit is ''ridiculous''.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Walter Delques is posed to be TheRival of sorts for the main story, serving as a lesser evil compared to Vaclav and Solon. Walter is portrayed as incredibly aloof, but fans tend to think of this aloofness as [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every moment he can, [[FantasticRacism is the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes goes beyond reason, such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of working with humans. And eventually, it's revealed that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty Nope]]; Walter's just jealous that TheHero Senel has more of Shirley's affection than he does. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool, and jerkass characters can have their own charm in the ''Tales'' series, Walter has no redeeming traits and instead comes off as extremely annoying. As such, he doesn't get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains.
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** Mohs is just repulsive [[spoiler:and for being the direct cause of Ion's death]]. He could look like a HateSink, but then the party expressed pity [[spoiler:when he died after a power overload due to his new form.]] But after all the time he spent of not only [[spoiler:Ion's death]], but constant stoneheaded rambling about fulfilling the Score, which even before then, was considered a ''complete hogwash''... In other words, he's supposed to be a caricature of religion fundamentalist that missed the point of his own bible and completely oblivious about it, thinking that he's always right. [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic Not exactly someone who would be given sympathy, even in-universe.]]
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** Karol is hated by many in the fanbase for being slow, [[TierInducedScrappy useless,]] and the token kid character of the game. Not to mention his big character development is supposedly gaining the courage to risk his life for his friends, which seems like small potatoes when Yuri and Estelle were risking their lives to help total strangers right from the beginning of the game. It's also easy to question whether it isn't irresponsible of him to try and tag along with the Hunting Blades on monster hunts or the party on their dangerous travels when he's too cowardly not to [[TheLoad leave them in a lurch at the first sign of trouble]].\\
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is formed, and he claims that he'd been thinking of the exact same laws Yuri thought up, but when asked for laws he had no answer and was confused by the laws Yuri gave until Estelle contributed her own ideas for laws (it should be noted there was no explaining what Yuri meant- he and Estelle just listed a few more laws). It's supposed to be sincere, but it doesn't come off that way when Karol has been claiming things like that the entire game thus far to make himself look good. He also develops a habit of either including Rita, Raven, and Estelle in the guild, or acting like they should stay behind while Brave Vesperia goes on to do things (depending on how you take his wording of "Brave Vesperia will do X" when he really means the entire team). Something nobody, not even Rita or Raven, call him out on. As noted above in DecoyProtagonist, the story also seems to shift to be less about Yuri (or Estelle) and more about Karol after Ghasfarost, making him something of a SpotlightStealingSquad member.
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is formed, and he claims that he'd been thinking of the exact same laws Yuri thought up, but when asked for laws he had no answer and was confused by the laws Yuri gave until Estelle contributed her own ideas for laws (it should be noted there was no explaining what Yuri meant- he and Estelle just listed a few more laws). It's supposed to be sincere, but it doesn't come off that way when Karol has been claiming things like that the entire game thus far to make himself look good. He also develops a habit of either including Rita, Raven, and Estelle in the guild, or acting like they should stay behind while Brave Vesperia goes on to do things (depending on how you take his wording of "Brave Vesperia will do X" when he really means the entire team). Something nobody, not even Rita or Raven, call him out on. As noted above in DecoyProtagonist, the story also seems to shift to be less about Yuri (or Estelle) and more about Karol after Ghasfarost, making him something of a SpotlightStealingSquad member.
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** TagAlongKid Karol is hated by many in the fanbase for being slow, [[TierInducedScrappy useless,]] useless]], and the token kid character of the game. because he ''never shuts up'' about guilds. Not to mention his big character development arc is supposedly about gaining the courage to risk his life for his friends, which seems like small potatoes when Yuri and Estelle were risking their lives to help total strangers right from the beginning of the game. It's also easy to question whether it isn't irresponsible of him to try and tag along with the Hunting Blades on monster hunts or the party on their dangerous travels when he's too cowardly not to [[TheLoad leave them in a lurch at the first sign of trouble]].\\
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is formed, and he claims that he'd been thinking of the exact same laws Yuri thought up, but when asked for laws he had no answer and was confused by the laws Yuri gave until Estelle contributed her own ideas for laws (it should be noted there was no explaining what Yuri meant- he and Estelle just listed a few more laws). It's supposed to be sincere, but it doesn't come off that way when Karol has been claiming things like that the entire game thus far to make himself look good. He also develops a habit of either including Rita, Raven, and Estelle in the guild, or acting like they should stay behind while Brave Vesperia goes on to do things (depending on how you take his wording of "Brave Vesperia will do X" when he really means the entire team). Something nobody, not even Rita or Raven, call him out on. As noted above in DecoyProtagonist, the story also seems to shift to be less about Yuri (or Estelle) and more about Karol after Ghasfarost, making him something of a SpotlightStealingSquad member.
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is formed, and he claims that he'd been thinking of the exact same laws Yuri thought up, but when asked for laws he had no answer and was confused by the laws Yuri gave until Estelle contributed her own ideas for laws (it should be noted there was no explaining what Yuri meant- he and Estelle just listed a few more laws). It's supposed to be sincere, but it doesn't come off that way when Karol has been claiming things like that the entire game thus far to make himself look good.
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** [[spoiler:Duke]] is at best tolerated as a villain, if not outright hated. He has the appearance of a stereotypical Final Fantasy villain which makes his role in the story rather obvious and seems to always be angsting about the past. He only appears in a few scenes, speaking in a dull monotone voice before suddenly hijacking the much loathed third act of the plot as the main villain. [[spoiler:Duke]] giving up on humanity as whole for the death of his best friend makes him seem rather petty. [[spoiler: Finally, the party seems to let him go without any repercussions after they defeat him, even though raising Tarquaron hindered their plans to stop Adephagos.]]
** The BigBad, [[spoiler:Alexei]], is actually much closer to this than the aforementioned FinalBoss. He's supposed to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's NotSoDifferent from the protagonists due to their shared dislike of TheEmpire; instead, he utilizes so many UnintentionallyUnsympathetic tactics along the way that he actually becomes even worse than the latter. And this certainly isn't helped by [[Creator/DCDouglas his English voice]] making him sound like a certain SmugSnake from [[Franchise/ResidentEvil another series]] instead of a genuine AntiVillain. At least he ended up gaining unintentional popularity via MemeticMutation, though.
** The BigBad, [[spoiler:Alexei]], is actually much closer to this than the aforementioned FinalBoss. He's supposed to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's NotSoDifferent from the protagonists due to their shared dislike of TheEmpire; instead, he utilizes so many UnintentionallyUnsympathetic tactics along the way that he actually becomes even worse than the latter. And this certainly isn't helped by [[Creator/DCDouglas his English voice]] making him sound like a certain SmugSnake from [[Franchise/ResidentEvil another series]] instead of a genuine AntiVillain. At least he ended up gaining unintentional popularity via MemeticMutation, though.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'': Child Asbel, he's rude, doesn't listen to what others tell him, keeps getting into trouble, treats his father with disdain and willingly ignores all warnings others give him. Makes you want to throttle the brat and he's the main character! A major part of his CharacterDevelopment after the TimeSkip is learning just how wrong his actions were back then.
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** Even though she's a minor character, Isla is very disliked by the Tales fans due to being a BitchInSheepsClothing and a hypocrite at the same time. The biggest kicker? [[spoiler: she sold Elize into slavery, and SHE'S BEEN POISONING ALVIN'S MOM!]]
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** Even though she's a minor character, Isla is very disliked by the Tales fans due to being a BitchInSheepsClothing and a hypocrite at the same time. The biggest kicker? [[spoiler: she [[spoiler:she sold Elize into slavery, and SHE'S BEEN POISONING ALVIN'S MOM!]]
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'':
** Nova has gained a small hatedom for being the face of the game's debt system, which restricts your travel to certain places. She also has a tendency to harass you with phone calls asking for payments, often by "playing robber" to Ludger who is legitimately being blackmailed and robbed, all while never losing her GenkiGirl attitude. However, the game ''does'' acknowledge that her always-on cheeriness can be annoying, and you get a chance to yell at her later (which makes her nervous whenever she calls for the next couple of chapters). She asks outright at one point that you not hate since she's just doing her job.
** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 15 million Gald bill for treating his and Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.
** Nova has gained a small hatedom for being the face of the game's debt system, which restricts your travel to certain places. She also has a tendency to harass you with phone calls asking for payments, often by "playing robber" to Ludger who is legitimately being blackmailed and robbed, all while never losing her GenkiGirl attitude. However, the game ''does'' acknowledge that her always-on cheeriness can be annoying, and you get a chance to yell at her later (which makes her nervous whenever she calls for the next couple of chapters). She asks outright at one point that you not hate since she's just doing her job.
** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 15 million Gald bill for treating his and Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'':
** Nova has gained a small hatedom for being the face of the game's debt system, which restricts your travel to certain places. She also has a tendency to harass you with phone calls asking for payments, often by "playing robber" to Ludger who is legitimately being blackmailed and robbed, all while never losing her GenkiGirl attitude. However, the game ''does'' acknowledge that her always-on cheeriness can be annoying, and you get a chance to yell at her later (which makes her nervous whenever she calls for the next couple of chapters). She asks outright at one point that you not hate since she's just doing her job.
**''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'': Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 15 million Gald bill for treating his and Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.
** Nova has gained a small hatedom for being the face of the game's debt system, which restricts your travel to certain places. She also has a tendency to harass you with phone calls asking for payments, often by "playing robber" to Ludger who is legitimately being blackmailed and robbed, all while never losing her GenkiGirl attitude. However, the game ''does'' acknowledge that her always-on cheeriness can be annoying, and you get a chance to yell at her later (which makes her nervous whenever she calls for the next couple of chapters). She asks outright at one point that you not hate since she's just doing her job.
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** Symmone due to her {{wangst}} and nihilism. She spends pretty much every scene she's in going about despair and loneliness and suffers BadassDecay over the course of the story.
** The main villain, Heldalf, is commonly criticized for being a stereotypical RPG villain. He only appears three times in the game and none of them really have much of an impact. He speaks like he is cribbing dialogue from Star Wars, and his plans fall apart pretty easily. It doesn't help that he is slow to act in any sort of way, to the point [[spoiler: where you can literally fight and beat him in the first half of the story.]] While he does apparently have the goal of ending pain in the world, his means of accomplishing it via killing everyone or turning them into hellions make little sense compared to the other {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s of the series.
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters, including Sorey.]] And like Sorey she is able to do things that her game counterpart couldn't [[spoiler: like armatize and become queen.]]
** The main villain, Heldalf, is commonly criticized for being a stereotypical RPG villain. He only appears three times in the game and none of them really have much of an impact. He speaks like he is cribbing dialogue from Star Wars, and his plans fall apart pretty easily. It doesn't help that he is slow to act in any sort of way, to the point [[spoiler: where you can literally fight and beat him in the first half of the story.]] While he does apparently have the goal of ending pain in the world, his means of accomplishing it via killing everyone or turning them into hellions make little sense compared to the other {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s of the series.
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters, including Sorey.]] And like Sorey she is able to do things that her game counterpart couldn't [[spoiler: like armatize and become queen.]]
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'':
** Karol is hated by many in the fanbase for being slow, [[TierInducedScrappy useless,]] and the token kid character of the game. Not to mention his big character development is supposedly gaining the courage to risk his life for his friends, which seems like small potatoes when Yuri and Estelle were risking their lives to help total strangers right from the beginning of the game. It's also easy to question whether it isn't irresponsible of him to try and tag along with the Hunting Blades on monster hunts or the party on their dangerous travels when he's too cowardly not to [[TheLoad leave them in a lurch at the first sign of trouble]].\\
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is formed, and he claims that he'd been thinking of the exact same laws Yuri thought up, but when asked for laws he had no answer and was confused by the laws Yuri gave until Estelle contributed her own ideas for laws (it should be noted there was no explaining what Yuri meant- he and Estelle just listed a few more laws). It's supposed to be sincere, but it doesn't come off that way when Karol has been claiming things like that the entire game thus far to make himself look good. He also develops a habit of either including Rita, Raven, and Estelle in the guild, or acting like they should stay behind while Brave Vesperia goes on to do things (depending on how you take his wording of "Brave Vesperia will do X" when he really means the entire team). Something nobody, not even Rita or Raven, call him out on. As noted above in DecoyProtagonist, the story also seems to shift to be less about Yuri (or Estelle) and more about Karol after Ghasfarost, making him something of a SpotlightStealingSquad member.
** Sodia also tends to get a lot of hate, mostly due to [[spoiler:stabbing Yuri at the end of part 2. To be fair, she ''instantly'' regrets it.]] In her case, it doesn't help that many view her as a [[{{Clingy Jealous Girl}} Clingy Jealous Fangirl]] or that she's EasilyForgiven, the latter being false because [[spoiler: Yuri]] makes it perfectly clear that she is not forgiven and that Flynn not knowing is only because he needs someone he can trust by his side.
** [[spoiler:Duke]] is at best tolerated as a villain, if not outright hated. He has the appearance of a stereotypical Final Fantasy villain which makes his role in the story rather obvious and seems to always be angsting about the past. He only appears in a few scenes, speaking in a dull monotone voice before suddenly hijacking the much loathed third act of the plot as the main villain. [[spoiler:Duke]] giving up on humanity as whole for the death of his best friend makes him seem rather petty. [[spoiler: Finally, the party seems to let him go without any repercussions after they defeat him, even though raising Tarquaron hindered their plans to stop Adephagos.]]
** The BigBad, [[spoiler:Alexei]], is actually much closer to this than the aforementioned FinalBoss. He's supposed to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's NotSoDifferent from the protagonists due to their shared dislike of TheEmpire; instead, he utilizes so many UnintentionallyUnsympathetic tactics along the way that he actually becomes even worse than the latter. And this certainly isn't helped by [[Creator/DCDouglas his English voice]] making him sound like a certain SmugSnake from [[Franchise/ResidentEvil another series]] instead of a genuine AntiVillain. At least he ended up gaining unintentional popularity via MemeticMutation, though.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Walter Delques is posed to be TheRival of sorts for the main story, serving as a lesser evil compared to Vaclav and Solon. Walter is portrayed as incredibly aloof, but fans tend to think of this aloofness as [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every moment he can, [[FantasticRacism is the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes goes beyond reason, such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of working with humans. And eventually, it's revealed that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty Nope]]; Walter's just jealous that TheHero Senel has more of Shirley's affection than he does. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool, and jerkass characters can have their own charm in the ''Tales'' series, Walter has no redeeming traits and instead comes off as extremely annoying. As such, he doesn't get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains.
** Karol is hated by many in the fanbase for being slow, [[TierInducedScrappy useless,]] and the token kid character of the game. Not to mention his big character development is supposedly gaining the courage to risk his life for his friends, which seems like small potatoes when Yuri and Estelle were risking their lives to help total strangers right from the beginning of the game. It's also easy to question whether it isn't irresponsible of him to try and tag along with the Hunting Blades on monster hunts or the party on their dangerous travels when he's too cowardly not to [[TheLoad leave them in a lurch at the first sign of trouble]].\\
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is formed, and he claims that he'd been thinking of the exact same laws Yuri thought up, but when asked for laws he had no answer and was confused by the laws Yuri gave until Estelle contributed her own ideas for laws (it should be noted there was no explaining what Yuri meant- he and Estelle just listed a few more laws). It's supposed to be sincere, but it doesn't come off that way when Karol has been claiming things like that the entire game thus far to make himself look good. He also develops a habit of either including Rita, Raven, and Estelle in the guild, or acting like they should stay behind while Brave Vesperia goes on to do things (depending on how you take his wording of "Brave Vesperia will do X" when he really means the entire team). Something nobody, not even Rita or Raven, call him out on. As noted above in DecoyProtagonist, the story also seems to shift to be less about Yuri (or Estelle) and more about Karol after Ghasfarost, making him something of a SpotlightStealingSquad member.
** Sodia also tends to get a lot of hate, mostly due to [[spoiler:stabbing Yuri at the end of part 2. To be fair, she ''instantly'' regrets it.]] In her case, it doesn't help that many view her as a [[{{Clingy Jealous Girl}} Clingy Jealous Fangirl]] or that she's EasilyForgiven, the latter being false because [[spoiler: Yuri]] makes it perfectly clear that she is not forgiven and that Flynn not knowing is only because he needs someone he can trust by his side.
** [[spoiler:Duke]] is at best tolerated as a villain, if not outright hated. He has the appearance of a stereotypical Final Fantasy villain which makes his role in the story rather obvious and seems to always be angsting about the past. He only appears in a few scenes, speaking in a dull monotone voice before suddenly hijacking the much loathed third act of the plot as the main villain. [[spoiler:Duke]] giving up on humanity as whole for the death of his best friend makes him seem rather petty. [[spoiler: Finally, the party seems to let him go without any repercussions after they defeat him, even though raising Tarquaron hindered their plans to stop Adephagos.]]
** The BigBad, [[spoiler:Alexei]], is actually much closer to this than the aforementioned FinalBoss. He's supposed to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's NotSoDifferent from the protagonists due to their shared dislike of TheEmpire; instead, he utilizes so many UnintentionallyUnsympathetic tactics along the way that he actually becomes even worse than the latter. And this certainly isn't helped by [[Creator/DCDouglas his English voice]] making him sound like a certain SmugSnake from [[Franchise/ResidentEvil another series]] instead of a genuine AntiVillain. At least he ended up gaining unintentional popularity via MemeticMutation, though.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Walter Delques is posed to be TheRival of sorts for the main story, serving as a lesser evil compared to Vaclav and Solon. Walter is portrayed as incredibly aloof, but fans tend to think of this aloofness as [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every moment he can, [[FantasticRacism is the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes goes beyond reason, such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of working with humans. And eventually, it's revealed that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty Nope]]; Walter's just jealous that TheHero Senel has more of Shirley's affection than he does. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool, and jerkass characters can have their own charm in the ''Tales'' series, Walter has no redeeming traits and instead comes off as extremely annoying. As such, he doesn't get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains.
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** Karol is hated by many in the fanbase for being slow, [[TierInducedScrappy useless,]] and the token kid character of the game. Not to mention his big character development is supposedly gaining the courage to risk his life for his friends, which seems like small potatoes when Yuri and Estelle were risking their lives to help total strangers right from the beginning of the game. It's also easy to question whether it isn't irresponsible of him to try and tag along with the Hunting Blades on monster hunts or the party on their dangerous travels when he's too cowardly not to [[TheLoad leave them in a lurch at the first sign of trouble]].\\
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is formed, and he claims that he'd been thinking of the exact same laws Yuri thought up, but when asked for laws he had no answer and was confused by the laws Yuri gave until Estelle contributed her own ideas for laws (it should be noted there was no explaining what Yuri meant- he and Estelle just listed a few more laws). It's supposed to be sincere, but it doesn't come off that way when Karol has been claiming things like that the entire game thus far to make himself look good. He also develops a habit of either including Rita, Raven, and Estelle in the guild, or acting like they should stay behind while Brave Vesperia goes on to do things (depending on how you take his wording of "Brave Vesperia will do X" when he really means the entire team). Something nobody, not even Rita or Raven, call him out on. As noted above in DecoyProtagonist, the story also seems to shift to be less about Yuri (or Estelle) and more about Karol after Ghasfarost, making him something of a SpotlightStealingSquad member.
** Sodia also tends to get a lot of hate, mostly due to [[spoiler:stabbing Yuri at the end of part 2. To be fair, she ''instantly'' regrets it.]] In her case, it doesn't help that many view her as a [[{{Clingy Jealous Girl}} Clingy Jealous Fangirl]] or that she's EasilyForgiven, the latter being false because [[spoiler: Yuri]] makes it perfectly clear that she is not forgiven and that Flynn not knowing is only because he needs someone he can trust by his side.
** [[spoiler:Duke]] is at best tolerated as a villain, if not outright hated. He has the appearance of a stereotypical Final Fantasy villain which makes his role in the story rather obvious and seems to always be angsting about the past. He only appears in a few scenes, speaking in a dull monotone voice before suddenly hijacking the much loathed third act of the plot as the main villain. [[spoiler:Duke]] giving up on humanity as whole for the death of his best friend makes him seem rather petty. [[spoiler: Finally, the party seems to let him go without any repercussions after they defeat him, even though raising Tarquaron hindered their plans to stop Adephagos.]]
** The BigBad, [[spoiler:Alexei]], is actually much closer to this than the aforementioned FinalBoss. He's supposed to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's NotSoDifferent from the protagonists due to their shared dislike of TheEmpire; instead, he utilizes so many UnintentionallyUnsympathetic tactics along the way that he actually becomes even worse than the latter. And this certainly isn't helped by [[Creator/DCDouglas his English voice]] making him sound like a certain SmugSnake from [[Franchise/ResidentEvil another series]] instead of a genuine AntiVillain. At least he ended up gaining unintentional popularity via MemeticMutation, though.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Walter Delques is posed to be TheRival of sorts for the main story, serving as a lesser evil compared to Vaclav and Solon. Walter is portrayed as incredibly aloof, but fans tend to think of this aloofness as [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every moment he can, [[FantasticRacism is the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes goes beyond reason, such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of working with humans. And eventually, it's revealed that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty Nope]]; Walter's just jealous that TheHero Senel has more of Shirley's affection than he does. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool, and jerkass characters can have their own charm in the ''Tales'' series, Walter has no redeeming traits and instead comes off as extremely annoying. As such, he doesn't get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Walter Delques is posed to be TheRival of sorts for the main story, serving as a lesser evil compared to Vaclav and Solon. Walter is portrayed as incredibly aloof, but fans tend to think of this aloofness as [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every moment he can, [[FantasticRacism is the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes goes beyond reason, such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of working with humans. And eventually, it's revealed that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty Nope]]; Walter's just jealous that TheHero Senel has more of Shirley's affection than he does. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool, and jerkass characters can have their own charm in the ''Tales'' series, Walter has no redeeming traits and instead comes off as extremely annoying. As such, he doesn't get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'':
** Rose is generally viewed in Japan as being a Scrappy in part due to the whole Alisha controversy, but also due to the game's rather poor writing for her character, such as her being [[spoiler: part of a group of "pure-hearted" assassins who only targets people who have bad intentions in their eyes]], which is flimsily justified in game. Other reasons include her ability to Armatize with the Seraphs on the grounds that [[spoiler:Dezel possessing her somehow allows her to do so]], and how much of her character seems rushed including backstory and personality. The Alisha DLC made this worse for those who dislike her for TookALevelInJerkass and [[spoiler:becoming the Shepherd while Sorey is asleep.]] The backlash of all these combined was so strong in Japan that it's almost as well-known as the game itself. She's less divisive in the west, but there are still some who feel this way.
** Symmone due to her {{wangst}} and nihilism. She spends pretty much every scene she's in going about despair and loneliness and suffers BadassDecay over the course of the story.
** The main villain, Heldalf, is commonly criticized for being a stereotypical RPG villain. He only appears three times in the game and none of them really have much of an impact. He speaks like he is cribbing dialogue from Star Wars, and his plans fall apart pretty easily. It doesn't help that he is slow to act in any sort of way, to the point [[spoiler: where you can literally fight and beat him in the first half of the story.]] While he does apparently have the goal of ending pain in the world, his means of accomplishing it via killing everyone or turning them into hellions make little sense compared to the other {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s of the series.
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters, including Sorey.]] And like Sorey she is able to do things that her game counterpart couldn't [[spoiler: like armatize and become queen.]]
** Rose is generally viewed in Japan as being a Scrappy in part due to the whole Alisha controversy, but also due to the game's rather poor writing for her character, such as her being [[spoiler: part of a group of "pure-hearted" assassins who only targets people who have bad intentions in their eyes]], which is flimsily justified in game. Other reasons include her ability to Armatize with the Seraphs on the grounds that [[spoiler:Dezel possessing her somehow allows her to do so]], and how much of her character seems rushed including backstory and personality. The Alisha DLC made this worse for those who dislike her for TookALevelInJerkass and [[spoiler:becoming the Shepherd while Sorey is asleep.]] The backlash of all these combined was so strong in Japan that it's almost as well-known as the game itself. She's less divisive in the west, but there are still some who feel this way.
** Symmone due to her {{wangst}} and nihilism. She spends pretty much every scene she's in going about despair and loneliness and suffers BadassDecay over the course of the story.
** The main villain, Heldalf, is commonly criticized for being a stereotypical RPG villain. He only appears three times in the game and none of them really have much of an impact. He speaks like he is cribbing dialogue from Star Wars, and his plans fall apart pretty easily. It doesn't help that he is slow to act in any sort of way, to the point [[spoiler: where you can literally fight and beat him in the first half of the story.]] While he does apparently have the goal of ending pain in the world, his means of accomplishing it via killing everyone or turning them into hellions make little sense compared to the other {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s of the series.
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters, including Sorey.]] And like Sorey she is able to do things that her game counterpart couldn't [[spoiler: like armatize and become queen.]]
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'':
''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'':
**Rose Karol is generally viewed hated by many in Japan as the fanbase for being a Scrappy in part due to slow, [[TierInducedScrappy useless,]] and the whole Alisha controversy, but also due to the game's rather poor writing for her character, such as her being [[spoiler: part of a group of "pure-hearted" assassins who only targets people who have bad intentions in their eyes]], which is flimsily justified in game. Other reasons include her ability to Armatize with the Seraphs on the grounds that [[spoiler:Dezel possessing her somehow allows her to do so]], and how much of her token kid character seems rushed including backstory and personality. The Alisha DLC made this worse for those who dislike her for TookALevelInJerkass and [[spoiler:becoming the Shepherd while Sorey is asleep.]] The backlash of all these combined was so strong in Japan that it's almost as well-known as the game itself. She's less divisive in the west, but there are still some who feel this way.
** Symmone due to her {{wangst}} and nihilism. She spends pretty much every scene she's in going about despair and loneliness and suffers BadassDecay over the courseof the story.
** The main villain, Heldalf,game. Not to mention his big character development is commonly criticized supposedly gaining the courage to risk his life for being a stereotypical RPG villain. He only appears three times in his friends, which seems like small potatoes when Yuri and Estelle were risking their lives to help total strangers right from the game beginning of the game. It's also easy to question whether it isn't irresponsible of him to try and none of tag along with the Hunting Blades on monster hunts or the party on their dangerous travels when he's too cowardly not to [[TheLoad leave them really have much in a lurch at the first sign of an impact. He speaks like he is cribbing dialogue from Star Wars, and his plans fall apart pretty easily. trouble]].\\
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia isslow to act in any sort of way, to the point [[spoiler: where you can literally fight formed, and beat him in the first half he claims that he'd been thinking of the story.]] While exact same laws Yuri thought up, but when asked for laws he does apparently have had no answer and was confused by the goal of ending pain in laws Yuri gave until Estelle contributed her own ideas for laws (it should be noted there was no explaining what Yuri meant- he and Estelle just listed a few more laws). It's supposed to be sincere, but it doesn't come off that way when Karol has been claiming things like that the world, his means of accomplishing it via killing everyone or turning them into hellions entire game thus far to make little sense compared to the other {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s himself look good. He also develops a habit of the series.
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters,either including Sorey.]] And Rita, Raven, and Estelle in the guild, or acting like Sorey she is able they should stay behind while Brave Vesperia goes on to do things (depending on how you take his wording of "Brave Vesperia will do X" when he really means the entire team). Something nobody, not even Rita or Raven, call him out on. As noted above in DecoyProtagonist, the story also seems to shift to be less about Yuri (or Estelle) and more about Karol after Ghasfarost, making him something of a SpotlightStealingSquad member.
** Sodia also tends to get a lot of hate, mostly due to [[spoiler:stabbing Yuri at the end of part 2. To be fair, she ''instantly'' regrets it.]] In her case, it doesn't help that many view hergame counterpart couldn't as a [[{{Clingy Jealous Girl}} Clingy Jealous Fangirl]] or that she's EasilyForgiven, the latter being false because [[spoiler: Yuri]] makes it perfectly clear that she is not forgiven and that Flynn not knowing is only because he needs someone he can trust by his side.
** [[spoiler:Duke]] is at best tolerated as a villain, if not outright hated. He has the appearance of a stereotypical Final Fantasy villain which makes his role in the story rather obvious and seems to always be angsting about the past. He only appears in a few scenes, speaking in a dull monotone voice before suddenly hijacking the much loathed third act of the plot as the main villain. [[spoiler:Duke]] giving up on humanity as whole for the death of his best friend makes him seem rather petty. [[spoiler: Finally, the party seems to let him go without any repercussions after they defeat him, even though raising Tarquaron hindered their plans to stop Adephagos.]]
** The BigBad, [[spoiler:Alexei]], is actually much closer to this than the aforementioned FinalBoss. He's supposed to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's NotSoDifferent from the protagonists due to their shared dislike of TheEmpire; instead, he utilizes so many UnintentionallyUnsympathetic tactics along the way that he actually becomes even worse than the latter. And this certainly isn't helped by [[Creator/DCDouglas his English voice]] making him sound likearmatize and become queen.]]a certain SmugSnake from [[Franchise/ResidentEvil another series]] instead of a genuine AntiVillain. At least he ended up gaining unintentional popularity via MemeticMutation, though.
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** Symmone due to her {{wangst}} and nihilism. She spends pretty much every scene she's in going about despair and loneliness and suffers BadassDecay over the course
** The main villain, Heldalf,
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters,
** Sodia also tends to get a lot of hate, mostly due to [[spoiler:stabbing Yuri at the end of part 2. To be fair, she ''instantly'' regrets it.]] In her case, it doesn't help that many view her
** [[spoiler:Duke]] is at best tolerated as a villain, if not outright hated. He has the appearance of a stereotypical Final Fantasy villain which makes his role in the story rather obvious and seems to always be angsting about the past. He only appears in a few scenes, speaking in a dull monotone voice before suddenly hijacking the much loathed third act of the plot as the main villain. [[spoiler:Duke]] giving up on humanity as whole for the death of his best friend makes him seem rather petty. [[spoiler: Finally, the party seems to let him go without any repercussions after they defeat him, even though raising Tarquaron hindered their plans to stop Adephagos.]]
** The BigBad, [[spoiler:Alexei]], is actually much closer to this than the aforementioned FinalBoss. He's supposed to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's NotSoDifferent from the protagonists due to their shared dislike of TheEmpire; instead, he utilizes so many UnintentionallyUnsympathetic tactics along the way that he actually becomes even worse than the latter. And this certainly isn't helped by [[Creator/DCDouglas his English voice]] making him sound like
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'':
** Rose is generally viewed in Japan as being a Scrappy in part due to the whole Alisha controversy, but also due to the game's rather poor writing for her character, such as her being [[spoiler: part of a group of "pure-hearted" assassins who only targets people who have bad intentions in their eyes]], which is flimsily justified in game. Other reasons include her ability to Armatize with the Seraphs on the grounds that [[spoiler:Dezel possessing her somehow allows her to do so]], and how much of her character seems rushed including backstory and personality. The Alisha DLC made this worse for those who dislike her for TookALevelInJerkass and [[spoiler:becoming the Shepherd while Sorey is asleep.]] The backlash of all these combined was so strong in Japan that it's almost as well-known as the game itself. She's less divisive in the west, but there are still some who feel this way.
** Symmone due to her {{wangst}} and nihilism. She spends pretty much every scene she's in going about despair and loneliness and suffers BadassDecay over the course of the story.
** The main villain, Heldalf, is commonly criticized for being a stereotypical RPG villain. He only appears three times in the game and none of them really have much of an impact. He speaks like he is cribbing dialogue from Star Wars, and his plans fall apart pretty easily. It doesn't help that he is slow to act in any sort of way, to the point [[spoiler: where you can literally fight and beat him in the first half of the story.]] While he does apparently have the goal of ending pain in the world, his means of accomplishing it via killing everyone or turning them into hellions make little sense compared to the other {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s of the series.
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters, including Sorey.]] And like Sorey she is able to do things that her game counterpart couldn't [[spoiler: like armatize and become queen.]]
** Rose is generally viewed in Japan as being a Scrappy in part due to the whole Alisha controversy, but also due to the game's rather poor writing for her character, such as her being [[spoiler: part of a group of "pure-hearted" assassins who only targets people who have bad intentions in their eyes]], which is flimsily justified in game. Other reasons include her ability to Armatize with the Seraphs on the grounds that [[spoiler:Dezel possessing her somehow allows her to do so]], and how much of her character seems rushed including backstory and personality. The Alisha DLC made this worse for those who dislike her for TookALevelInJerkass and [[spoiler:becoming the Shepherd while Sorey is asleep.]] The backlash of all these combined was so strong in Japan that it's almost as well-known as the game itself. She's less divisive in the west, but there are still some who feel this way.
** Symmone due to her {{wangst}} and nihilism. She spends pretty much every scene she's in going about despair and loneliness and suffers BadassDecay over the course of the story.
** The main villain, Heldalf, is commonly criticized for being a stereotypical RPG villain. He only appears three times in the game and none of them really have much of an impact. He speaks like he is cribbing dialogue from Star Wars, and his plans fall apart pretty easily. It doesn't help that he is slow to act in any sort of way, to the point [[spoiler: where you can literally fight and beat him in the first half of the story.]] While he does apparently have the goal of ending pain in the world, his means of accomplishing it via killing everyone or turning them into hellions make little sense compared to the other {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s of the series.
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters, including Sorey.]] And like Sorey she is able to do things that her game counterpart couldn't [[spoiler: like armatize and become queen.]]
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'':
** Nova has gained a small hatedom for being the face of the game's debt system, which restricts your travel to certain places. She also has a tendency to harass you with phone calls asking for payments, often by "playing robber" to Ludger who is legitimately being blackmailed and robbed, all while never losing her GenkiGirl attitude. However, the game ''does'' acknowledge that her always-on cheeriness can be annoying, and you get a chance to yell at her later (which makes her nervous whenever she calls for the next couple of chapters). She asks outright at one point that you not hate since she's just doing her job.
** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 15 million Gald bill for treating his and Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.
** Nova has gained a small hatedom for being the face of the game's debt system, which restricts your travel to certain places. She also has a tendency to harass you with phone calls asking for payments, often by "playing robber" to Ludger who is legitimately being blackmailed and robbed, all while never losing her GenkiGirl attitude. However, the game ''does'' acknowledge that her always-on cheeriness can be annoying, and you get a chance to yell at her later (which makes her nervous whenever she calls for the next couple of chapters). She asks outright at one point that you not hate since she's just doing her job.
** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 15 million Gald bill for treating his and Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia'':
** Teepo. Sweet mercy, ''Teepo''. If you don't find him annoying, you ''may'' hate him after [[spoiler: he gets forcibly reset, and can only tell Elize he's "just a machine" right when she needs him the most.]]
** Even though she's a minor character, Isla is very disliked by the Tales fans due to being a BitchInSheepsClothing and a hypocrite at the same time. The biggest kicker? [[spoiler: she sold Elize into slavery, and SHE'S BEEN POISONING ALVIN'S MOM!]]
** Ivar. '''Big Time.''' If his troublesome attitude doesn't tick you off, [[spoiler:then certainly his ineptitude to activate the Lance of Kresnik through Gilland's letters will do that]].
** Muzet, largely due to her KarmaHoudini status. [[spoiler: In Jude's path she outright ''murders'' most of the villagers in Nia Khera, just because they had heard [[HeKnowsTooMuch stories about the schism]], and to top it all off, also giving Jude a malignant MindRape about Milla's status as a double for Maxwell a bit too gleefully that he fell into a ''big'' HeroicBSOD. In Milla's path she does the same but we learn she also slaughtered many spirits out of suspicion that one may be Milla in disguise. Her feelings of being abandoned by Maxwell can come off as {{Wangst}} to the player.]] On top of all this, she's an absurdly cheap boss in Milla's story, one of the hardest in the game.
** Teepo. Sweet mercy, ''Teepo''. If you don't find him annoying, you ''may'' hate him after [[spoiler: he gets forcibly reset, and can only tell Elize he's "just a machine" right when she needs him the most.]]
** Even though she's a minor character, Isla is very disliked by the Tales fans due to being a BitchInSheepsClothing and a hypocrite at the same time. The biggest kicker? [[spoiler: she sold Elize into slavery, and SHE'S BEEN POISONING ALVIN'S MOM!]]
** Ivar. '''Big Time.''' If his troublesome attitude doesn't tick you off, [[spoiler:then certainly his ineptitude to activate the Lance of Kresnik through Gilland's letters will do that]].
** Muzet, largely due to her KarmaHoudini status. [[spoiler: In Jude's path she outright ''murders'' most of the villagers in Nia Khera, just because they had heard [[HeKnowsTooMuch stories about the schism]], and to top it all off, also giving Jude a malignant MindRape about Milla's status as a double for Maxwell a bit too gleefully that he fell into a ''big'' HeroicBSOD. In Milla's path she does the same but we learn she also slaughtered many spirits out of suspicion that one may be Milla in disguise. Her feelings of being abandoned by Maxwell can come off as {{Wangst}} to the player.]] On top of all this, she's an absurdly cheap boss in Milla's story, one of the hardest in the game.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'': Child Asbel, he's rude, doesn't listen to what others tell him, keeps getting into trouble, treats his father with disdain and willingly ignores all warnings others give him. Makes you want to throttle the brat and he's the main character! A major part of his CharacterDevelopment after the TimeSkip is learning just how wrong his actions were back then.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfHearts'': The Mechanoid Corundum, a loli with an excessively high, shrill voice and an annoying giggle... also, [[spoiler:the only enemy Guardian Knight you don't get to own in a boss fight. In fact, she's a cameo summon in the original DS version.]] Thanks a lot, Creator/TomokoKaneda.
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* Many ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' fans look down on Karol, claiming he's a textbook idiotic KidHero with less a than stellar AI. He receives more character focus than some of the other characters in the party as well ([[TeenGenius Rita]], [[MsFanservice Judith]], and [[CoolOldGuy Raven]]), emphasizing his Scrappyness for their haters.
** Sodia. Most of the fandom ''seriously'' dislikes her for her holier-than-thou attitude, ClingyJealousGirl tendencies, and [[spoiler: her attempted murder of Yuri.]]
** Also, a lot of players were quite unimpressed with the FinalBoss, [[spoiler: because it turns out to be Duke.]] This is because his villainy comes out of nowhere and his motivations are poorly explained, which is ''especially'' bad in a series famed for its sympathetic treatment of villains. Though he's actually closer to BaseBreakingCharacter status thanks to both [[Creator/JamiesonPrice his English voice]] giving him a genuinely AntiVillain-sounding performance and his [[spoiler:eventual HeelFaceTurn via helping the protagonists undo his actions.]]
** Sodia. Most of the fandom ''seriously'' dislikes her for her holier-than-thou attitude, ClingyJealousGirl tendencies, and [[spoiler: her attempted murder of Yuri.]]
** Also, a lot of players were quite unimpressed with the FinalBoss, [[spoiler: because it turns out to be Duke.]] This is because his villainy comes out of nowhere and his motivations are poorly explained, which is ''especially'' bad in a series famed for its sympathetic treatment of villains. Though he's actually closer to BaseBreakingCharacter status thanks to both [[Creator/JamiesonPrice his English voice]] giving him a genuinely AntiVillain-sounding performance and his [[spoiler:eventual HeelFaceTurn via helping the protagonists undo his actions.]]
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* Many ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' fans look down ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'':
** Karol is hated by many in the fanbase for being slow, [[TierInducedScrappy useless,]] and the token kid character of the game. Not to mention his big character development is supposedly gaining the courage to risk his life for his friends, which seems like small potatoes when Yuri and Estelle were risking their lives to help total strangers right from the beginning of the game. It's also easy to question whether it isn't irresponsible of him to try and tag along with the Hunting Blades onKarol, claiming monster hunts or the party on their dangerous travels when he's too cowardly not to [[TheLoad leave them in a textbook idiotic KidHero with less a than stellar AI. He receives more character focus than some lurch at the first sign of trouble]].\\
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is formed, and he claims that he'd been thinking of theother characters exact same laws Yuri thought up, but when asked for laws he had no answer and was confused by the laws Yuri gave until Estelle contributed her own ideas for laws (it should be noted there was no explaining what Yuri meant- he and Estelle just listed a few more laws). It's supposed to be sincere, but it doesn't come off that way when Karol has been claiming things like that the entire game thus far to make himself look good. He also develops a habit of either including Rita, Raven, and Estelle in the party as well ([[TeenGenius Rita]], [[MsFanservice Judith]], guild, or acting like they should stay behind while Brave Vesperia goes on to do things (depending on how you take his wording of "Brave Vesperia will do X" when he really means the entire team). Something nobody, not even Rita or Raven, call him out on. As noted above in DecoyProtagonist, the story also seems to shift to be less about Yuri (or Estelle) and [[CoolOldGuy Raven]]), emphasizing his Scrappyness for their haters.
more about Karol after Ghasfarost, making him something of a SpotlightStealingSquad member.
**Sodia. Most Sodia also tends to get a lot of hate, mostly due to [[spoiler:stabbing Yuri at the fandom ''seriously'' dislikes end of part 2. To be fair, she ''instantly'' regrets it.]] In her for case, it doesn't help that many view her holier-than-thou attitude, ClingyJealousGirl tendencies, and as a [[{{Clingy Jealous Girl}} Clingy Jealous Fangirl]] or that she's EasilyForgiven, the latter being false because [[spoiler: her attempted murder of Yuri.]]
Yuri]] makes it perfectly clear that she is not forgiven and that Flynn not knowing is only because he needs someone he can trust by his side.
**Also, [[spoiler:Duke]] is at best tolerated as a lot of players were quite unimpressed with villain, if not outright hated. He has the FinalBoss, appearance of a stereotypical Final Fantasy villain which makes his role in the story rather obvious and seems to always be angsting about the past. He only appears in a few scenes, speaking in a dull monotone voice before suddenly hijacking the much loathed third act of the plot as the main villain. [[spoiler:Duke]] giving up on humanity as whole for the death of his best friend makes him seem rather petty. [[spoiler: because it turns out Finally, the party seems to be Duke.]] This is because his villainy comes out of nowhere and his motivations are poorly explained, which is ''especially'' bad in a series famed for its sympathetic treatment of villains. Though he's actually closer to BaseBreakingCharacter status thanks to both [[Creator/JamiesonPrice his English voice]] giving let him a genuinely AntiVillain-sounding performance and his [[spoiler:eventual HeelFaceTurn via helping the protagonists undo his actions.go without any repercussions after they defeat him, even though raising Tarquaron hindered their plans to stop Adephagos.]]
** Karol is hated by many in the fanbase for being slow, [[TierInducedScrappy useless,]] and the token kid character of the game. Not to mention his big character development is supposedly gaining the courage to risk his life for his friends, which seems like small potatoes when Yuri and Estelle were risking their lives to help total strangers right from the beginning of the game. It's also easy to question whether it isn't irresponsible of him to try and tag along with the Hunting Blades on
It also doesn't help that he ''never shuts up'' about guilds, especially once Brave Vesperia is formed, and he claims that he'd been thinking of the
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* Videogame/TalesOfInnocence: Coda. It's not that he does something to be hated - it's that he doesn't do anything at all for the whole game. He has no backstory and no plot purpose. He's just there for the sake of being the game's mascot and tutorial. And rag on about food. The game actually acknowledges this numerous times, so this is most likely intentional.
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** Arietta for whining at the party for killing her Liger-mama, refusing to hear any sort of explanation and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking for having a screechy, high voice]].
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** Arietta for whining at the party for killing her Liger-mama, refusing to hear any sort of explanation and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking for having a screechy, high voice]]. [[spoiler: The original Ion is also disliked for partly creating a lot of Arietta's issues, not to mention for having a {{Jerkass}} attitude in general, a stark contrast to his replica.]]
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** Chocolat, who is a DamselInDistress the party must save ''twice''. She's kidnapped by Magnius and his Desian goons and taken to the Human Ranch near Palmacosta. When Lloyd and company show up to save her, Magnius reveals Lloyd killed Chocolat's grandmother Marble back in Iselia. Chocolat freaks out, ''refuses'' to accept that Lloyd tried to ''save'' Marble, only killing her because [[MercyKill she asked him too]], and [[WhatAnIdiot Chocolat willingly allows the Desians to take her away rather than be rescued by Lloyd]]. Much later in the game, the group must infiltrate the Iselia Human Ranch, and Chocolat still refuses to thank Lloyd and only allows the group to save her begrudgingly. The game does attempt to redeem her by having her call out the HateSink Mayor of Iselia, but in the eyes of many players, it's too little, too late.
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** Chocolat, who is a DamselInDistress the party must save ''twice''. She's kidnapped by Magnius and his Desian goons and taken to the Human Ranch near Palmacosta. When Lloyd and company show up to save her, Magnius reveals Lloyd killed Chocolat's grandmother Marble back in Iselia. Chocolat freaks out, ''refuses'' to accept that Lloyd tried to ''save'' Marble, only killing her because [[MercyKill she asked him too]], to]], and [[WhatAnIdiot Chocolat willingly allows the Desians to take her away rather than be rescued by Lloyd]]. Much later in the game, the group must infiltrate the Iselia Human Ranch, and Chocolat still refuses to thank Lloyd and only allows the group to save her begrudgingly. The game does attempt to redeem her by having her call out the HateSink Mayor of Iselia, but in the eyes of many players, it's too little, too late.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Walter Delques is another example. He's posed to be TheRival or sorts for the main story, serving the lesser evil faction (compared to Vaclav and Solon) and incredibly aloof... [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Simply put, Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every time possible, [[FantasticRacism the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes go beyond reasons (such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of even working with Orerines), and eventually reveals that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty NOPE!]] He's just jealous at [[TheHero Senel]]. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool and sometimes a jerk can have their own charm in this series, Walter has none and instead comes off extremely annoying that he might not get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains there.
* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'', we have Chocolat, who is a DamselInDistress the party must save ''twice''. We're first introduced to her in Palmacosta where she pisses off some Desians by refusing to sell them cheap gels, then later on when the leader of the Palmacosta Ranch, Magnius, and some Desians attempt to hang her mother Cacao as punishment for Chocolat's actions, she thanks the Chosen's group for saving her mother, but admits to Colette's face that she doesn't believe in the Goddess. Then she goes off on a pilgrimage and gets kidnapped by Magnius and his goons and taken to the Human Ranch. When Lloyd and co show up to save her, Magnius reveals Lloyd killed Marble back in Iselia. Chocolat freaks out, ''refuses'' to listen to Genis attempting to explain that Lloyd tried to ''save'' Marble and [[WhatAnIdiot willingly allows the Desians to take her away.]] Much later in the game, the group must infiltrate the Iselia Ranch and Chocolat still refuses to thank Lloyd and only allows the group to save her begrudgingly. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also she has a really annoying, whiny voice.]] The game does attempt to redeem her by having her call out the HateSink Mayor of Iselia, but in the eyes of many players, it's too little, too late.
* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'', we have Chocolat, who is a DamselInDistress the party must save ''twice''. We're first introduced to her in Palmacosta where she pisses off some Desians by refusing to sell them cheap gels, then later on when the leader of the Palmacosta Ranch, Magnius, and some Desians attempt to hang her mother Cacao as punishment for Chocolat's actions, she thanks the Chosen's group for saving her mother, but admits to Colette's face that she doesn't believe in the Goddess. Then she goes off on a pilgrimage and gets kidnapped by Magnius and his goons and taken to the Human Ranch. When Lloyd and co show up to save her, Magnius reveals Lloyd killed Marble back in Iselia. Chocolat freaks out, ''refuses'' to listen to Genis attempting to explain that Lloyd tried to ''save'' Marble and [[WhatAnIdiot willingly allows the Desians to take her away.]] Much later in the game, the group must infiltrate the Iselia Ranch and Chocolat still refuses to thank Lloyd and only allows the group to save her begrudgingly. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also she has a really annoying, whiny voice.]] The game does attempt to redeem her by having her call out the HateSink Mayor of Iselia, but in the eyes of many players, it's too little, too late.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Walter Delques is another example. He's posed to be TheRival or of sorts for the main story, serving the as a lesser evil faction (compared compared to Vaclav and Solon) and Solon. Walter is portrayed as incredibly aloof... aloof, but fans tend to think of this aloofness as [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Simply put, Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every time possible, moment he can, [[FantasticRacism is the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes go goes beyond reasons (such reason, such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of even working with Orerines), and eventually reveals humans. And eventually, it's revealed that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty NOPE!]] He's Nope]]; Walter's just jealous at [[TheHero Senel]]. that TheHero Senel has more of Shirley's affection than he does. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool cool, and sometimes a jerk jerkass characters can have their own charm in this the ''Tales'' series, Walter has none no redeeming traits and instead comes off as extremely annoying that annoying. As such, he might not doesn't get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains there.
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** Chocolat, who is a DamselInDistress the party must save ''twice''.We're first introduced to her in Palmacosta where she pisses off some Desians by refusing to sell them cheap gels, then later on when the leader of the Palmacosta Ranch, Magnius, and some Desians attempt to hang her mother Cacao as punishment for Chocolat's actions, she thanks the Chosen's group for saving her mother, but admits to Colette's face that she doesn't believe in the Goddess. Then she goes off on a pilgrimage and gets She's kidnapped by Magnius and his Desian goons and taken to the Human Ranch. Ranch near Palmacosta. When Lloyd and co company show up to save her, Magnius reveals Lloyd killed Chocolat's grandmother Marble back in Iselia. Chocolat freaks out, ''refuses'' to listen to Genis attempting to explain accept that Lloyd tried to ''save'' Marble Marble, only killing her because [[MercyKill she asked him too]], and [[WhatAnIdiot Chocolat willingly allows the Desians to take her away.]] away rather than be rescued by Lloyd]]. Much later in the game, the group must infiltrate the Iselia Ranch Human Ranch, and Chocolat still refuses to thank Lloyd and only allows the group to save her begrudgingly. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also she has a really annoying, whiny voice.]] The game does attempt to redeem her by having her call out the HateSink Mayor of Iselia, but in the eyes of many players, it's too little, too late.
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** In a game full of despicable villains, Rodyle is arguably the least-liked of the Desian Grand Cardinals, mostly for the way he treats Presea and [[MoralEventHorizon drowns a bunch of hostages in his Human Ranch just to spite Lloyd's group.]] However, he also just simply isn't as cool as some of the other Grand Cardinals, not as [[LargeHam hammy]] as Magnius, as cunning as Kvar or having any NobleDemon qualities like Forcystus and his outfit is ''ridiculous''.
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** In a game full of despicable villains, Rodyle is arguably the least-liked of the Desian Grand Cardinals, mostly for the way he treats Presea and [[MoralEventHorizon drowns a bunch of hostages in his Human Ranch just to spite Lloyd's group.]] However, he also just simply isn't as cool as some of the other Grand Cardinals, not as [[LargeHam hammy]] as Magnius, as classy as Pronyma, as cunning as Kvar or having any NobleDemon qualities like Forcystus and his outfit is ''ridiculous''.
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** Mohs is just repulsive [[spoiler:and for being the direct cause of Ion's death]]. He could look like a HateSink, but then the party expressed pity [[spoiler:when he died after a power overload due to his new form.]] But after all the time he spent of not only [[spoiler:Ion's death]], but constant stoneheaded rambling about fulfilling the Score, which even before then, was considered a ''complete hogwash''... [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic No way in hell the player will give him sympathy.]]
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** Mohs is just repulsive [[spoiler:and for being the direct cause of Ion's death]]. He could look like a HateSink, but then the party expressed pity [[spoiler:when he died after a power overload due to his new form.]] But after all the time he spent of not only [[spoiler:Ion's death]], but constant stoneheaded rambling about fulfilling the Score, which even before then, was considered a ''complete hogwash''... In other words, he's supposed to be a caricature of religion fundamentalist that missed the point of his own bible and completely oblivious about it, thinking that he's always right. [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic No way in hell the player will give him sympathy.]]Not exactly someone who would be given sympathy, even in-universe.]]
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** Anise gets scrappy points for [[spoiler:her involvment in Ion's [[HeroicSacrifice death]] and being forced to be [[TheMole a mole]] by [[CorruptChurch Mohs]]. Also, she gets additional scrappy points for being too EasilyForgiven for her transgressions compared to what Luke goes through after his screwup.
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** Anise gets scrappy points for [[spoiler:her involvment in Ion's [[HeroicSacrifice death]] and being forced to be [[TheMole a mole]] by [[CorruptChurch Mohs]]. ]] Also, she gets additional scrappy points for being too EasilyForgiven for her transgressions compared to what Luke goes through after his screwup.
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'', we have Chocolat, who is a DamselInDistress the party must save ''twice''. We're first introduced to her in Palmacosta where she pisses off some Desians by refusing to sell them cheap gels, then later on when the leader of the Palmacosta Ranch, Magnius, and some Desians attempt to hang her mother Cacao as punishment for Chocolat's actions, she thanks the Chosen's group for saving her mother, but admits to Colette's face that she doesn't believe in the Goddess. Then she goes off on a pilgrimage and gets kidnapped by Magnius and his goons and taken to the Human Ranch. When Lloyd and co show up to save her, Magnius reveals Lloyd killed Marble back in Iselia. Chocolat freaks out, ''refuses'' to listen to Genis attempting to explain that Lloyd tried to ''save'' Marble and [[WhatAnIdiot willingly allows the Desians to take her away.]] Much later in the game, the group must infiltrate the Iselia Ranch and Chocolat still refuses to thank Lloyd and only allows the group to save her begrudgingly. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also she has a really annoying, whiny voice.]] The game does attempt to redeem her by having her call out fellow, intentional TheScrappy, the Mayor of Iselia, but in the eyes of many players, it's too little, too late.
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'', we have Chocolat, who is a DamselInDistress the party must save ''twice''. We're first introduced to her in Palmacosta where she pisses off some Desians by refusing to sell them cheap gels, then later on when the leader of the Palmacosta Ranch, Magnius, and some Desians attempt to hang her mother Cacao as punishment for Chocolat's actions, she thanks the Chosen's group for saving her mother, but admits to Colette's face that she doesn't believe in the Goddess. Then she goes off on a pilgrimage and gets kidnapped by Magnius and his goons and taken to the Human Ranch. When Lloyd and co show up to save her, Magnius reveals Lloyd killed Marble back in Iselia. Chocolat freaks out, ''refuses'' to listen to Genis attempting to explain that Lloyd tried to ''save'' Marble and [[WhatAnIdiot willingly allows the Desians to take her away.]] Much later in the game, the group must infiltrate the Iselia Ranch and Chocolat still refuses to thank Lloyd and only allows the group to save her begrudgingly. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also she has a really annoying, whiny voice.]] The game does attempt to redeem her by having her call out fellow, intentional TheScrappy, the HateSink Mayor of Iselia, but in the eyes of many players, it's too little, too late.
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** Anise gets scrappy points for [[spoiler:her involvment in Ion's [[HeroicSacrifice death]] and being forced to be [[TheMole a mole]] by [[CorruptChurch Mohs]]. Did I mention Anise was [[ToyShip clearly in love]] with Ion?]] Also, she gets additional scrappy points for being too EasilyForgiven for her transgressions compared to what Luke goes through after his screwup.
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** Anise gets scrappy points for [[spoiler:her involvment in Ion's [[HeroicSacrifice death]] and being forced to be [[TheMole a mole]] by [[CorruptChurch Mohs]]. Did I mention Anise was [[ToyShip clearly in love]] with Ion?]] Also, she gets additional scrappy points for being too EasilyForgiven for her transgressions compared to what Luke goes through after his screwup.
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesofSymphonia'', ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'', we have Chocolat, who is a DamselInDistress the party must save ''twice''. We're first introduced to her in Palmacosta where she pisses off some Desians by refusing to sell them cheap gels, then later on when the leader of the Palmacosta Ranch, Magnius, and some Desians attempt to hang her mother Cacao as punishment for Chocolat's actions, she thanks the Chosen's group for saving her mother, but admits to Colette's face that she doesn't believe in the Goddess. Then she goes off on a pilgrimage and gets kidnapped by Magnius and his goons and taken to the Human Ranch. When Lloyd and co show up to save her, Magnius reveals Lloyd killed Marble back in Iselia. Chocolat freaks out, ''refuses'' to listen to Genis attempting to explain that Lloyd tried to ''save'' Marble and [[WhatAnIdiot willingly allows the Desians to take her away.]] Much later in the game, the group must infiltrate the Iselia Ranch and Chocolat still refuses to thank Lloyd and only allows the group to save her begrudgingly. [[ArsonMurderAnJaywalking [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also she has a really annoying, whiny voice.]] The game does attempt to redeem her by having her call out fellow, intentional TheScrappy, the Mayor of Iselia, but in the eyes of many players, it's too little, too late.
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** In a game full of despicable villains, Rodyle is arguably the least-liked of the Desian Grand Cardinals, mostly for the way he treats Presea and [[MoralEventHorizon drowns a bunch of hostages in his Human Ranch just to spite Lloyd's group.]] However, he also just simply isn't as cool as some of the other Grand Cardinals, not as [[LargeHam hammy]] as Magnius, as cunning as Kvar or having any NobleDemon qualities like Forcystus and his outfit is ''ridiculous''.
** In a game full of despicable villains, Rodyle is arguably the least-liked of the Desian Grand Cardinals, mostly for the way he treats Presea and [[MoralEventHorizon drowns a bunch of hostages in his Human Ranch just to spite Lloyd's group.]] However, he also just simply isn't as cool as some of the other Grand Cardinals, not as [[LargeHam hammy]] as Magnius, as cunning as Kvar or having any NobleDemon qualities like Forcystus and his outfit is ''ridiculous''.
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* Many ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' fans look down on Karol and Estelle, claiming that they're a textbook idiotic KidHero and a textbook NaiveEverygirl with less than stellar AI, respectively. They receive more character focus than some of the other characters in the party as well ([[TeenGenius Rita]], [[MsFanservice Judith]], and [[CoolOldGuy Raven]]), emphasizing their Scrappyness for their haters.
** Latter addition [[TokenMiniMoe Patty]] has been getting a lot of heat in America for [[DummiedOut not being in the XBox 360 version]], messing up the dynamics of Yuri's TrueCompanions, and her [[LethalJokeCharacter strange battle style]]. Her seemingly {{lolicon|AndShotacon}}-pandering alternate costumes don't help matters in the slightest.
** Latter addition [[TokenMiniMoe Patty]] has been getting a lot of heat in America for [[DummiedOut not being in the XBox 360 version]], messing up the dynamics of Yuri's TrueCompanions, and her [[LethalJokeCharacter strange battle style]]. Her seemingly {{lolicon|AndShotacon}}-pandering alternate costumes don't help matters in the slightest.
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* Many ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' fans look down on Karol and Estelle, Karol, claiming that they're he's a textbook idiotic KidHero and a textbook NaiveEverygirl with less a than stellar AI, respectively. They receive AI. He receives more character focus than some of the other characters in the party as well ([[TeenGenius Rita]], [[MsFanservice Judith]], and [[CoolOldGuy Raven]]), emphasizing their his Scrappyness for their haters.
** Latter addition [[TokenMiniMoe Patty]] has been getting a lot of heat in America for [[DummiedOut not being in the XBox 360 version]], messing up the dynamics of Yuri's TrueCompanions, and her [[LethalJokeCharacter strange battle style]]. Her seemingly {{lolicon|AndShotacon}}-pandering alternate costumes don't help matters in the slightest.haters.
** Latter addition [[TokenMiniMoe Patty]] has been getting a lot of heat in America for [[DummiedOut not being in the XBox 360 version]], messing up the dynamics of Yuri's TrueCompanions, and her [[LethalJokeCharacter strange battle style]]. Her seemingly {{lolicon|AndShotacon}}-pandering alternate costumes don't help matters in the slightest.
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* Marta from VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld doesn't get a lot of love due to coming off as overly fangirl-y and a bit whiny.
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* Rose from ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria''. She's hated for many reasons, including replacing [[EnsembleDarkhorse Alisha]], a character advertised as the games heroine, coming across a PuritySue due to being a "pure hearted assassin" in a world filled with GrayAndGrayMorality, gaining the power of [[FusionDance armatization]] with a very weak justification as to why, and how the writers [[CharacterShilling shill her]] even more than [[VideoGame/TalesOfXillia Milla Maxwell]]. In the Alisha DLC she TookALevelInJerkass and is a huge SpotlightStealingSquad, getting more focus than the princess does in Alisha's own DLC. All of these issues combined caused her to be [[InternetBackdraft hated even more in]] Japan then she is in the states due to the Alisha controversy.
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'':
** Rosefrom ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria''. She's hated is generally viewed in Japan as being a Scrappy in part due to the whole Alisha controversy, but also due to the game's rather poor writing for many reasons, her character, such as her being [[spoiler: part of a group of "pure-hearted" assassins who only targets people who have bad intentions in their eyes]], which is flimsily justified in game. Other reasons include her ability to Armatize with the Seraphs on the grounds that [[spoiler:Dezel possessing her somehow allows her to do so]], and how much of her character seems rushed including replacing [[EnsembleDarkhorse Alisha]], a character advertised as the games heroine, coming across a PuritySue due to being a "pure hearted assassin" in a world filled with GrayAndGrayMorality, gaining the power of [[FusionDance armatization]] with a very weak justification as to why, backstory and how the writers [[CharacterShilling shill her]] even more than [[VideoGame/TalesOfXillia Milla Maxwell]]. In the personality. The Alisha DLC she made this worse for those who dislike her for TookALevelInJerkass and is a huge SpotlightStealingSquad, getting more focus than [[spoiler:becoming the princess does in Alisha's own DLC. All Shepherd while Sorey is asleep.]] The backlash of all these issues combined caused her to be [[InternetBackdraft hated even more in]] was so strong in Japan then that it's almost as well-known as the game itself. She's less divisive in the west, but there are still some who feel this way.
** Symmone due to her {{wangst}} and nihilism. She spends pretty much every scene she's in going about despair and loneliness and suffers BadassDecay over the course of the story.
** The main villain, Heldalf, is commonly criticized for being a stereotypical RPG villain. He only appears three times in the game and none of them really have much of an impact. He speaks like he is cribbing dialogue from Star Wars, and his plans fall apart pretty easily. It doesn't help that he is slow to act in any sort of way, to the point [[spoiler: where you can literally fight and beat him in the first half of the story.]] While he does apparently have the goal of ending pain in the world, his means of accomplishing it via killing everyone or turning them into hellions make little sense compared to the other {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s of the series.
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters, including Sorey.]] And like Sorey she isin the states due able to the Alisha controversy.do things that her game counterpart couldn't [[spoiler: like armatize and become queen.]]
** Rose
** Symmone due to her {{wangst}} and nihilism. She spends pretty much every scene she's in going about despair and loneliness and suffers BadassDecay over the course of the story.
** The main villain, Heldalf, is commonly criticized for being a stereotypical RPG villain. He only appears three times in the game and none of them really have much of an impact. He speaks like he is cribbing dialogue from Star Wars, and his plans fall apart pretty easily. It doesn't help that he is slow to act in any sort of way, to the point [[spoiler: where you can literally fight and beat him in the first half of the story.]] While he does apparently have the goal of ending pain in the world, his means of accomplishing it via killing everyone or turning them into hellions make little sense compared to the other {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s of the series.
** For people who hate the anime Sorey and Alisha became this, the former for seeming too distant from his seraphim counterparts, being too serious, and having powers that are beyond the capabilities of his game counterpart. While the latter [[SpotlightStealingSquad ended up getting far too much focus that it threw off pacing and came to the detriment to several other characters, including Sorey.]] And like Sorey she is
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* As for ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'', Anise gets scrappy points for [[spoiler:her involvment in Ion's [[HeroicSacrifice death]] and being forced to be [[TheMole a mole]] by [[CorruptChurch Mohs]]. Did I mention Anise was [[ToyShip clearly in love]] with Ion?]] Also, she gets additional scrappy points for being too EasilyForgiven for her transgressions compared to what Luke goes through after his screwup.
** Also Mohs, for [[spoiler:being the main one responsible for Ion's death]]. Similarly, while he [[MoralEventHorizon is not forgiven]], his detractors argue that his [[AlasPoorVillain fate was played for more tragedy than he deserved]].
** Also Mohs, for [[spoiler:being the main one responsible for Ion's death]]. Similarly, while he [[MoralEventHorizon is not forgiven]], his detractors argue that his [[AlasPoorVillain fate was played for more tragedy than he deserved]].
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* As for ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'', ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'':
** Anise gets scrappy points for [[spoiler:her involvment in Ion's [[HeroicSacrifice death]] and being forced to be [[TheMole a mole]] by [[CorruptChurch Mohs]]. Did I mention Anise was [[ToyShip clearly in love]] with Ion?]] Also, she gets additional scrappy points for being too EasilyForgiven for her transgressions compared to what Luke goes through after his screwup.
**Also Mohs, Arietta for [[spoiler:being whining at the main one responsible party for killing her Liger-mama, refusing to hear any sort of explanation and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking for having a screechy, high voice]].
** Mohs is just repulsive [[spoiler:and for being the direct cause of Ion's death]].Similarly, while He could look like a HateSink, but then the party expressed pity [[spoiler:when he [[MoralEventHorizon is died after a power overload due to his new form.]] But after all the time he spent of not forgiven]], his detractors argue that his [[AlasPoorVillain fate only [[spoiler:Ion's death]], but constant stoneheaded rambling about fulfilling the Score, which even before then, was played for more tragedy than considered a ''complete hogwash''... [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic No way in hell the player will give him sympathy.]]
** In-universe parody, Mieu. He's a RidiculouslyCuteCritter with a high-pitched voice who helps the party solve puzzles and not much else. Even after Luke's CharacterDevelopment, hedeserved]].still calls Mieu "annoying" to Mieu's face. That and you kill a bunch of Ligers because he burnt down some of the forest making the wolves desperate to survive [[spoiler:As well as a little girl's (Arietta's) 'mommy.']]
** Anise gets scrappy points for [[spoiler:her involvment in Ion's [[HeroicSacrifice death]] and being forced to be [[TheMole a mole]] by [[CorruptChurch Mohs]]. Did I mention Anise was [[ToyShip clearly in love]] with Ion?]] Also, she gets additional scrappy points for being too EasilyForgiven for her transgressions compared to what Luke goes through after his screwup.
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** Mohs is just repulsive [[spoiler:and for being the direct cause of Ion's death]].
** In-universe parody, Mieu. He's a RidiculouslyCuteCritter with a high-pitched voice who helps the party solve puzzles and not much else. Even after Luke's CharacterDevelopment, he
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Reala is Americans Hate Tingle and Nanaly's problem is that most people are not aware of how to actually use the game engine.
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* It's very hard to find fans of Reala, from ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2''. Her status as a SpotlightStealingSquad is undeniable (Though like with Shirley's example, there's [[{{Misblamed}} a bit more to it than that]]), and she's also accused of other sins ([[PuritySue Sue]] tendencies, bad AI, [[NoodlePeople creepy]] [[EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette design]], overall blandness). It really says something when the characters chosen to represent the game alongside [[KidHero Kyle]] in ''Tales of VS.'' were [[EnsembleDarkhorse Nanaly and Harold]] instead of her (since she's pretty much the co-protagonist). Although she does make an appearance of a bonus boss in VideoGame/TalesOfGraces.
** Nanaly is also a TierInducedScrappy in her original game, because her arrows are utterly useless and hard to hit with compared to fast melee and hard-hitting magic, and without abusing a glitch in the [=PS2=] version she only has one hi-ougi whereas other characters have four or five each. It's very rare to see her used after Harold, the most powerful spellcaster in the game, joins the party. Odd, as in terms of characterization she's an EnsembleDarkhorse, and if you take account her other appearances like in ''Tales of the World'' or ''Tales of Versus'', she's an absolute beast when the game engine from her home series did not bog her down.
** Nanaly is also a TierInducedScrappy in her original game, because her arrows are utterly useless and hard to hit with compared to fast melee and hard-hitting magic, and without abusing a glitch in the [=PS2=] version she only has one hi-ougi whereas other characters have four or five each. It's very rare to see her used after Harold, the most powerful spellcaster in the game, joins the party. Odd, as in terms of characterization she's an EnsembleDarkhorse, and if you take account her other appearances like in ''Tales of the World'' or ''Tales of Versus'', she's an absolute beast when the game engine from her home series did not bog her down.
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** Latter addition [[TokenMiniMoe Patty]] has been getting a lot of heat in America for [[DummiedOut not being in the XBox 360 version]], messing up the dynamics of Yuri's TrueCompanions, and her [[LethalJokeCharacter strange battle style]]. Her seemingly {{lolicon}}-pandering alternate costumes don't help matters in the slightest.
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** Latter addition [[TokenMiniMoe Patty]] has been getting a lot of heat in America for [[DummiedOut not being in the XBox 360 version]], messing up the dynamics of Yuri's TrueCompanions, and her [[LethalJokeCharacter strange battle style]]. Her seemingly {{lolicon}}-pandering {{lolicon|AndShotacon}}-pandering alternate costumes don't help matters in the slightest.
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The entry for Shirley outright said she is a Base-Breaking Character in Japan and that hate for her is a case of Americans Hate Tingle. I removed Colette because the entry indicated that the bashing of her character has long since died down (entry also indicated much of the reason had to do with Die For Our Ship). Discussed on the Scrappy thread:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13598973560A64980100&page=61#1523
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** Colette in [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia the first game]] was also ''infamously'' bashed back in the day for constantly apologizing, her occasional DamselInDistress tendencies, her "[[DeusExMachina tripping plot power]]" being used constantly to resolve plot problems, and for the game forcing Lloyd/Colette on the player a ''little'' too much (especially for those who ship Lloyd/Sheena). The hate has certainly died down, and more people are voicing a liking to her, but the hate shall never be forgotten.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Shirley Fennes. Fans just hate her for her voice, her DistressedDamsel tendencies, and that one scene where fans take it like [[{{Yandere}} "Senel, either you love me, or I'll nuke your world."]] ([[{{Misblamed}} Which isn't entirely accurate...]]) There are quite a few who like her though. [[AmericansHateTingle The hate is much stronger in America]], as she's a simple BaseBreakingCharacter in Japan.
** Walter Delques is another example. He's posed to be TheRival or sorts for the main story, serving the lesser evil faction (compared to Vaclav and Solon) and incredibly aloof... [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Simply put, Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every time possible, [[FantasticRacism the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes go beyond reasons (such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of even working with Orerines), and eventually reveals that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty NOPE!]] He's just jealous at [[TheHero Senel]]. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool and sometimes a jerk can have their own charm in this series, Walter has none and instead comes off extremely annoying that he might not get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains there.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'''s Shirley Fennes. Fans just hate her for her voice, her DistressedDamsel tendencies, and that one scene where fans take it like [[{{Yandere}} "Senel, either you love me, or I'll nuke your world."]] ([[{{Misblamed}} Which isn't entirely accurate...]]) There are quite a few who like her though. [[AmericansHateTingle The hate is much stronger in America]], as she's a simple BaseBreakingCharacter in Japan.
** Walter Delques is another example. He's posed to be TheRival or sorts for the main story, serving the lesser evil faction (compared to Vaclav and Solon) and incredibly aloof... [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Simply put, Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every time possible, [[FantasticRacism the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Ferines that sometimes go beyond reasons (such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of even working with Orerines), and eventually reveals that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty NOPE!]] He's just jealous at [[TheHero Senel]]. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool and sometimes a jerk can have their own charm in this series, Walter has none and instead comes off extremely annoying that he might not get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains there.
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* Rose from VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria. She's hated for many reasons, including replacing [[EnsembleDarkhorse Alisha]], a character advertised as the games heroine, coming across a PuritySue due to being a "pure hearted assassin" in a world filled with GrayAndGrayMorality, gaining the power of [[FusionDance armatization]] on very weak justifacation, and how the writers [[CharacterShilling shill her]] even more than [[VideoGame/TalesOfXillia Milla Maxwell]]. In the Alisha DLC she TookALevelInJerkass and is a huge SpotlightStealingSquad. All of these issues combined caused her to be [[InternetBackdraft hated even more in]] Japan then she is in the states due to the Alisha controversy.
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* Rose from VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria. ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria''. She's hated for many reasons, including replacing [[EnsembleDarkhorse Alisha]], a character advertised as the games heroine, coming across a PuritySue due to being a "pure hearted assassin" in a world filled with GrayAndGrayMorality, gaining the power of [[FusionDance armatization]] on with a very weak justifacation, justification as to why, and how the writers [[CharacterShilling shill her]] even more than [[VideoGame/TalesOfXillia Milla Maxwell]]. In the Alisha DLC she TookALevelInJerkass and is a huge SpotlightStealingSquad.SpotlightStealingSquad, getting more focus than the princess does in Alisha's own DLC. All of these issues combined caused her to be [[InternetBackdraft hated even more in]] Japan then she is in the states due to the Alisha controversy.
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** Walter Delques is another example. He's posed to be TheRival or sorts for the main story, serving the lesser evil faction (compared to Vaclav and Solon) and incredibly aloof... [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Simply put, Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every time possible, [[FantasticRacism the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Merines that sometimes go beyond reasons (such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of even working with Orerines), and eventually reveals that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty NOPE!]] He's just jealous at [[TheHero Senel]]. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool and sometimes a jerk can have their own charm in this series, Walter has none and instead comes off extremely annoying that he might not get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains there.
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** Walter Delques is another example. He's posed to be TheRival or sorts for the main story, serving the lesser evil faction (compared to Vaclav and Solon) and incredibly aloof... [[{{Jerkass}} for the wrong reasons]]. Simply put, Walter ends up more like a condescending jackass that belittles the party at every time possible, [[FantasticRacism the highest degree of racist]] amongst the Merines Ferines that sometimes go beyond reasons (such as preferring to let the world get doomed instead of even working with Orerines), and eventually reveals that there's an additional reason he does that. Is it a sympathetic reason? [[EvilIsPetty NOPE!]] He's just jealous at [[TheHero Senel]]. All in all, while TheRival characters tend to be cool and sometimes a jerk can have their own charm in this series, Walter has none and instead comes off extremely annoying that he might not get a lot of LoveToHate treatment compared to some other villains there.
