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* Death gets a case of SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome when he comes to a poor house bearing gifts and Albert tells him to provide just one toy and an apple. Albert grimly but realistically points out that people need to hope in things that don't/may never happen, as [[HopeBringer hope is a big part of belief]].

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* When Death gets a case of SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome when he comes to a poor house bearing gifts and Albert tells him to provide just one toy and an apple. Albert grimly but realistically points out that people need to hope in things that don't/may never happen, as [[HopeBringer hope is a big part of belief]].
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* More so in the adaptation, but [[Manchild innocent-minded]] Banjo being made to act on Teatime's command, particular when Teatime considered that Mr. Brown has outlived his usefulness. Brown attempting to plea for his life by reminding Banjo that he used to help care for him when he little, to no avail.

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* More so in the adaptation, but [[Manchild [[GentleGiant the innocent-minded]] Banjo being made to act on Teatime's command, particular when Teatime considered that Mr. Brown has outlived his usefulness. Brown attempting to plea for his life by reminding Banjo that he used to help care for him when he little, to no avail.
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* An example from the live-action adaptation: Gawain and Twyla walk in on their dad dressed up like the Hogfather to deliver presents, and lose their belief in the Hogfather. All he was trying to do was keep their faith alive as long as he could and accidentally broke it in the process.

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* An example from the live-action adaptation: Gawain and Twyla walk in on their dad dressed up like the Hogfather to deliver presents, and lose their belief in the Hogfather. All he was trying to do was keep their faith alive as long as he could and accidentally broke it in the process.process.
* More so in the adaptation, but [[Manchild innocent-minded]] Banjo being made to act on Teatime's command, particular when Teatime considered that Mr. Brown has outlived his usefulness. Brown attempting to plea for his life by reminding Banjo that he used to help care for him when he little, to no avail.
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* An example from the live-action adaptation: Gawain and Twyla walk in on their dad dressed up like the Hogfather to deliver presents, and lose their belief in the Hogfather. All he can do is look at them sadly.

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* An example from the live-action adaptation: Gawain and Twyla walk in on their dad dressed up like the Hogfather to deliver presents, and lose their belief in the Hogfather. All he can was trying to do is look at them sadly.was keep their faith alive as long as he could and accidentally broke it in the process.
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** And while he's confiding in this he mentions nobody's happy to see him, except in [[DrivenToSuicide special and unfortunate circumstances.]]

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* An example only found in the live-action adaptation has Gawain and Twyla walking in on their dad dressed up like the Hogfather to deliver presents and losing their remaining belief in the Hogfather as he can only stare sadly.

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* The truck driver Ernie, who gets stabbed by Teatime, is only remembered by two people. One of them is Death, who appears at his death and, being preoccupied with investigations, can only stay briefly. He can't even console Ernie properly on where he's going to go next, even if he could stay longer.
** The other person is Charlie, his superior, a bossy small-minded bureucrat who assumes Ernie's run off with another woman, and only cares about the burden his absence is going to put on his job. The cynical Susan is absolutely disgusted with him.
* An example only found in from the live-action adaptation has adaptation: Gawain and Twyla walking walk in on their dad dressed up like the Hogfather to deliver presents presents, and losing lose their remaining belief in the Hogfather as Hogfather. All he can only stare do is look at them sadly.
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* When the Hogfather returns, the disappearance of the Cherry Fairy (one of the more personified minor gods, who one of the wizards had been falling in love with) due to the belief vacuum being gone.

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* When the Hogfather returns, the disappearance of the Cherry Cheery Fairy (one of the more personified minor gods, who one of the wizards had been falling in love with) due to the belief vacuum being gone.

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* Susan says that Hogswatch is a time for people to meet their families, and then cuts that statement short.

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* Susan's distancing herself from Death can be painful for fans of the character.
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Susan says that Hogswatch is a time for people to meet their families, and then cuts that statement short.short.
** When she reaches Death's domain and finds the Hogfather' broken lifetimer, she assumes her grandfather did it. She works out the truth eventually, but jumping to such conclusions easily doesn't help her case.
** Susan's desperate to solve the mystery of the Hogfather's disappearance, partly because her grandfather has taken on his job. In her own words, "if he gets sidetracked, I have to do his job." She's not going back to the family business after her BreakTheCutie arc in Literature/SoulMusic, even if it means forcing Death to keep to his job.
** When Death decides to screw Narrative Convention and utterly subvert the [[Literature/TheLittleMatchGirl Little Match Girl]] story, despite Albert's objections, it causes Susan to briefly take on the role of Death, deep voice and bones and all.



* When Death decides to screw Narrative Convention and utterly subvert the [[Literature/TheLittleMatchGirl Little Match Girl]] story, despite Albert's objections, it causes Susan to briefly take on the role of Death, deep voice and bones and all.
** Susan is generally desperate to find out why her grandfather has taken on the Hogfather' job, because in her own words, "if he gets sidetracked, I have to do his job." She's not going back to the family business after her BreakTheCutie arc in Literature/SoulMusic, even if it means forcing Death to keep to his job.
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* Death gets a case of RealityEnsues when he comes to a poor house bearing gifts and Albert tells him to provide just one toy and an apple. Albert grimly but realistically points out that people need to hope in things that don't/may never happen, as [[HopeBringer hope is a big part of belief]].

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* Death gets a case of RealityEnsues SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome when he comes to a poor house bearing gifts and Albert tells him to provide just one toy and an apple. Albert grimly but realistically points out that people need to hope in things that don't/may never happen, as [[HopeBringer hope is a big part of belief]].
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* Death gets a case of RealityEnsues when he comes to a poor house bearing gifts and Albert tells him to provide just one toy and an apple. Albert grimly but realistically points out that people need to hope in things that don't/may never happen, as hope is a big part of belief.

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* Death gets a case of RealityEnsues when he comes to a poor house bearing gifts and Albert tells him to provide just one toy and an apple. Albert grimly but realistically points out that people need to hope in things that don't/may never happen, as [[HopeBringer hope is a big part of belief.belief]].
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* When the Hogfather returns, the disappearance of the Cherry Fairy (one of the more personified minor gods, who one of the wizards had been falling in love with) due to the belief vacuum being gone.
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-->'''Catseye:''' Now shut up talking about it.

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-->'''Catseye:''' Now shut up talking about it.it.
* An example only found in the live-action adaptation has Gawain and Twyla walking in on their dad dressed up like the Hogfather to deliver presents and losing their remaining belief in the Hogfather as he can only stare sadly.
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** Susan is generally desperate to find out why her grandfather has taken on the Hogfather' job, because in her own words, "if he gets sidetracked, I have to do his job." She's not going back to the family business after her BreakTheCutie arc in Discworld/SoulMusic, even if it means forcing Death to keep to his job.

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** Susan is generally desperate to find out why her grandfather has taken on the Hogfather' job, because in her own words, "if he gets sidetracked, I have to do his job." She's not going back to the family business after her BreakTheCutie arc in Discworld/SoulMusic, Literature/SoulMusic, even if it means forcing Death to keep to his job.
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* Death gets a case of RealityEnsues when he comes to a house bearing gifts and Albert tells him to provide just one toy and an apple. Albert grimly but realistically points out that people need to hope in things that don't/may never happen, as hope is a big part of belief.
--> Albert: If you give people jam, they'll just sit there and eat it. Promise them jam tomorrow, and that'll keep them going forever.

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* Death gets a case of RealityEnsues when he comes to a poor house bearing gifts and Albert tells him to provide just one toy and an apple. Albert grimly but realistically points out that people need to hope in things that don't/may never happen, as hope is a big part of belief.
--> Albert: -->'''Albert:''' If you give people jam, they'll just sit there and eat it. Promise them jam tomorrow, and that'll keep them going forever.



* The Tooth Fairy, or [[spoiler: the first Bogeyman. He was the absolute epitome of everything that goes [[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight bump in the night]], yet he grew so attached to the children he was created to frighten that he saw all the terrible and ''real'' things in the world. His reaction? To ''protect'' children. He dedicates everything that he is and ever will be to creating a safeguard against the things that children truly ought to be scared of, but never ''should'' be. In his words...]]
-->[[spoiler: Tooth Fairy: If you leave all those teeth around, ''anything'' could happen...you don't die here. You just get old, listening to the laughter.]]

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* The Tooth Fairy, or [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the first Bogeyman. He was the absolute epitome of everything that goes [[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight bump in the night]], yet he grew so attached to the children he was created to frighten that he saw all the terrible and ''real'' things in the world. His reaction? To ''protect'' children. He dedicates everything that he is and ever will be to creating a safeguard against the things that children truly ought to be scared of, but never ''should'' be. In his words...]]
-->[[spoiler: Tooth Fairy: -->[[spoiler:'''Tooth Fairy:''' If you leave all those teeth around, ''anything'' could happen...you don't die here. You just get old, listening to the laughter.]]



-->Catseye: Now shut up talking about it.

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-->Catseye: -->'''Catseye:''' Now shut up talking about it.
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** This, from a Magitek computer that, however brilliant, is emotionally still young enough cry when its Fluffy Teddy Bear is taken away.

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** This, from a Magitek computer that, however brilliant, is emotionally still young enough to cry when its Fluffy Teddy Bear is taken away.
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** Susan is generally desperate to find out why her grandfather has taken on the job of Santa Claus, because in her own words, "if he gets sidetracked, I have to do his job." She's not going back to the family business after her BreaktheCutie arc in Discworld/SoulMusic, even if it means forcing Death to keep to his job.

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** Susan is generally desperate to find out why her grandfather has taken on the job of Santa Claus, Hogfather' job, because in her own words, "if he gets sidetracked, I have to do his job." She's not going back to the family business after her BreaktheCutie BreakTheCutie arc in Discworld/SoulMusic, even if it means forcing Death to keep to his job.
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* Susan says that Hogswatch is a time for people to meet their families, and then cuts that statement short.
* You know how some people can get depressed about holidays, Christmas in particular? That applies in this book, first to the wizards who start squabbling about how their parties/presents were unsatisfying, and later on Susan, despite defeating the human villains, describes the Hogfather as someone who makes people feel smug at the end of the year.

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* The scene where the reader realises just why Death is enjoying pretending to be the Hogfather, and how sad he is that he can't do it forever.

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* The scene where the reader realises just why Death is enjoying pretending confides in Albert that he would like to permanently be the Hogfather, and how sad he is that he can't he's only doing it in the midst of a crisis and probably won't ever do it forever.again.



* When Death decides to screw Narrative Convention and utterly subvert the [[Literature/TheLittleMatchGirl Little Match Girl]] story, despite Albert's objections.
-->[[AC:The Hogfather can. The Hogfather gives presents. There's no better present than a future.]]

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* When Death decides to screw Narrative Convention and utterly subvert the [[Literature/TheLittleMatchGirl Little Match Girl]] story, despite Albert's objections.
-->[[AC:The Hogfather can. The Hogfather gives presents. There's no better present than
objections, it causes Susan to briefly take on the role of Death, deep voice and bones and all.
** Susan is generally desperate to find out why her grandfather has taken on the job of Santa Claus, because in her own words, "if he gets sidetracked, I have to do his job." She's not going back to the family business after her BreaktheCutie arc in Discworld/SoulMusic, even if it means forcing Death to keep to his job.
* Death gets
a future.]]case of RealityEnsues when he comes to a house bearing gifts and Albert tells him to provide just one toy and an apple. Albert grimly but realistically points out that people need to hope in things that don't/may never happen, as hope is a big part of belief.
--> Albert: If you give people jam, they'll just sit there and eat it. Promise them jam tomorrow, and that'll keep them going forever.
** Death himself is driven nearly to tears by the unfairness of it all, pointing out that Hogswatch is a time for ''everyone'' to be happy, regardless of whether they deserve it or not.



* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzpCodZsSGw I have a task for you, thinking engine...]]
* Susan is desperate to find out why her grandfather has taken on the job of Santa Claus, because in her own words, "if he gets sidetracked, I have to do his job." She's not going back to the family business after her BreaktheCutie arc in Discworld/SoulMusic, even if it means forcing Death to keep to his job.
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* Susan is desperate to find out why her grandfather has taken on the job of Santa Claus, because in her own words, "if he gets sidetracked, I have to do his job." She's not going back to the family business after her BreaktheCutie arc in Discworld/SoulMusic, even if it means forcing Death to keep to his job.
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** As a frame of reference, [[spoiler: he must be ''ancient''. His final action was mustering enough power to literally frighten two hardened Thieves and a renegade wizard to death. He was intended to subsist on fear, but he managed to last for as long as the Tooth Fairy had been legend.]]

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** As a frame of reference, [[spoiler: he must be ''ancient''. His final action was mustering enough power to literally frighten two hardened Thieves and a renegade wizard to death. He was intended to subsist on fear, but he managed to last for as long as the Tooth Fairy had been legend.]]]]
* Catseye telling the others about his fear of the dark. Sure, he's a hardened criminal, but there's something really sad about the way he just lays out the facts.
-->Catseye: Now shut up talking about it.

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* The scene where the reader realises just why Death is enjoying pretending to be the Hogfather, and how sad he is that he can't do it forever. The tiny little [[AC:Ho. Ho. Ho.]] caused me to break down completely.

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* The scene where the reader realises just why Death is enjoying pretending to be the Hogfather, and how sad he is that he can't do it forever. The tiny little [[AC:Ho.forever.
--> [--[[AC:Ho.
Ho. Ho.]] caused me to break down completely.]]--]
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* The Tooth Fairy, or [[spoiler: the first Boogeyman. He was the absolute epitome of everything that goes [[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight bump in the night]], yet he grew so attached to the children he was created to frighten that he saw all the terrible and ''real'' things in the world. His reaction? To ''protect'' children. He dedicates everything that he is and ever will be to creating a safeguard against the things that children truly ought to be scared of, but never ''should'' be. In his words...]]

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* The Tooth Fairy, or [[spoiler: the first Boogeyman.Bogeyman. He was the absolute epitome of everything that goes [[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight bump in the night]], yet he grew so attached to the children he was created to frighten that he saw all the terrible and ''real'' things in the world. His reaction? To ''protect'' children. He dedicates everything that he is and ever will be to creating a safeguard against the things that children truly ought to be scared of, but never ''should'' be. In his words...]]
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** This, from a Magitek computer that, however brilliant, is emotionally still young enough to become attached to a teddy bear.

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** This, from a Magitek computer that, however brilliant, is emotionally still young enough to become attached to a teddy bear.cry when its Fluffy Teddy Bear is taken away.
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** This, from a Magitek computer that, however brilliant, is emotionally still young enough to become attached to a teddy bear.
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* Death has just demanded to be left alone with Hex, who asks "Big Red Lever Time?" -- it wants to know if it is about to die.

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* When Death decides to screw Narrative Convention and utterly subvert the Little Match Girl story, despite Albert's objections. [[AC:The Hogfather gives presents. There's no better present than a future.]]

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* When Death decides to screw Narrative Convention and utterly subvert the [[Literature/TheLittleMatchGirl Little Match Girl Girl]] story, despite Albert's objections. [[AC:The objections.
-->[[AC:The Hogfather can. The
Hogfather gives presents. There's no better present than a future.]]
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** As a frame of reference, [[spoiler: he must be ''ancient''. His final action was mustering enough power to literally frighten two hardened Thieves and a renegade wizard to death. He was intended to subsist on fear, but he managed ti last for as long as the Tooth Fairy had been legend.]]

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** As a frame of reference, [[spoiler: he must be ''ancient''. His final action was mustering enough power to literally frighten two hardened Thieves and a renegade wizard to death. He was intended to subsist on fear, but he managed ti to last for as long as the Tooth Fairy had been legend.]]

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-->[[spoiler: Tooth Fairy: If you leave all those teeth around, ''anything'' could happen.]]

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-->[[spoiler: Tooth Fairy: If you leave all those teeth around, ''anything'' could happen.happen...you don't die here. You just get old, listening to the laughter.]]
** As a frame of reference, [[spoiler: he must be ''ancient''. His final action was mustering enough power to literally frighten two hardened Thieves and a renegade wizard to death. He was intended to subsist on fear, but he managed ti last for as long as the Tooth Fairy had been legend.
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* The Tooth Fairy, or [[spoiler: the first Boogeyman. He was the absolute epitome of everything that goes [[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight bump in the night]], yet he grew so attached to the children he was created to frighten that he saw all the terrible and ''real'' things in the world. His reaction? To ''protect'' children. He dedicates everything that he is and ever will be to creating a safeguard against the things that children truly ought to be scared of, but never ''should'' be. In his words...]]
-->[[spoiler: Tooth Fairy: If you leave all those teeth around, ''anything'' could happen.]]

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