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* While the circumstances he puts himself in are less than sympathetic, Michael's situation is also quite sad. He managed to go from Northwest trailer-park trash to become a wealthy man and truly provide for his family, living in the game's version of Beverly Hills. But to do it, he had to betray his closest friends. What did he get out of it? At the start of the game, he's a lonely, jaded man struggling to accept his own faults and failures with an incredibly dysfunctional, spoiled family that wants nothing to do with him. The worst of it is that despite his own failings, he ''tries'' to make things right, but their spoiled and selfish attitudes combined with his own inability to connect with them just keep pushing his family apart. [[spoiler: Roughly halfway through the game, he's drugged and has his car stolen by his own son and comes back home to find his wife has taken his children and left him alone in his massive mansion. By the end of the game, however, he manages to get them back, make some real connection with them, fulfill his life's goal of getting in the movie industry and seems to be on the road to having the happy--if unconventional--family he always wanted.]]

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* While the circumstances he puts himself in are less than sympathetic, Michael's situation is also quite sad. He managed to go from Northwest trailer-park trash to become a wealthy man and truly provide for his family, living in the game's version of Beverly Hills. But to do it, he had to betray his closest friends. What did he get out of it? At the start of the game, he's a lonely, jaded man struggling to accept his own faults and failures with an incredibly dysfunctional, spoiled family that wants nothing to do with him. The worst of it is that despite his own failings, he ''tries'' to make things right, but their spoiled and selfish attitudes combined with his own inability to connect with them just keep pushing his family apart. [[spoiler: Roughly halfway through the game, he's drugged and has his car stolen by his own son and comes back home to find his wife has taken his children and left him alone in his massive mansion. By the end of the game, however, he manages to get them back, make some real connection with them, fulfill his life's goal of getting in the movie industry and seems to be on the road to having the happy--if unconventional--family he always wanted.]]
* [[spoiler: Molly Schultz's death, especially knowing that everything she did was absolutely pointless. Not only did Solomon still have copies of Michael's movie, but Weston never repaid even a fraction of the affection Molly had for him. He even coldly tells Michael that he basically can get another attorney.
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* [[JerkassWoobie Trevor]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in general]], really. Think about his backstory for a while; implied abuse of an unspecified sort from his father, implied emotional and sexual abuse by his mother, the above-mentioned abandonment issues, loses his best friend first to a stripper and then to a bullet, finds out that friend has been alive and living in San Andreas, their friendship frays and tears throughout the course of the game, and in [[spoiler: 2 of 3 possible endings, he ends up either KilledOffForReal or back where he started with Michael really dead this time. Of course you can pick the GoldenEnding, too, but that's the only ending that's not a bummer for Trevor]]. Still, yikes. No wonder he became an AxCrazy meth addict/dealer and black market weapons dealer.

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* [[JerkassWoobie Trevor]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in general]], really. Think about his backstory for a while; implied abuse of an unspecified sort from his father, implied emotional and sexual abuse by his mother, the above-mentioned abandonment issues, loses his best friend first to a stripper and then to a bullet, finds out that friend has been alive and living in San Andreas, their friendship frays and tears throughout the course of the game, and in [[spoiler: 2 of 3 possible endings, he ends up either KilledOffForReal or back where he started with Michael really dead this time. Of course you can pick the GoldenEnding, too, but that's the only ending that's not a bummer for Trevor]]. Still, yikes. No wonder he became an AxCrazy meth addict/dealer and black market weapons dealer.dealer.
* While the circumstances he puts himself in are less than sympathetic, Michael's situation is also quite sad. He managed to go from Northwest trailer-park trash to become a wealthy man and truly provide for his family, living in the game's version of Beverly Hills. But to do it, he had to betray his closest friends. What did he get out of it? At the start of the game, he's a lonely, jaded man struggling to accept his own faults and failures with an incredibly dysfunctional, spoiled family that wants nothing to do with him. The worst of it is that despite his own failings, he ''tries'' to make things right, but their spoiled and selfish attitudes combined with his own inability to connect with them just keep pushing his family apart. [[spoiler: Roughly halfway through the game, he's drugged and has his car stolen by his own son and comes back home to find his wife has taken his children and left him alone in his massive mansion. By the end of the game, however, he manages to get them back, make some real connection with them, fulfill his life's goal of getting in the movie industry and seems to be on the road to having the happy--if unconventional--family he always wanted.]]
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* Franklin's friend, and possible OldFlame, Tonya. She's a drug addict in an emotionally abusive relationship with a lazy bum who refuses to go to work. While she's no catch herself and guilts Franklin into doing her boyfriends work for him, she's actually still out there making sure he keeps his job while it's implied that he is cheating on her. Throughout the side missions, it also becomes more and more apparent that she's become victim to her own addictions as well.

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* Franklin's friend, and possible OldFlame, Tonya. She's a drug addict in an emotionally abusive relationship with a lazy bum who refuses to go to work. While she's no catch herself and guilts Franklin into doing her boyfriends work for him, she's actually still out there making sure he keeps his job while it's implied that he is cheating on her. Throughout the side missions, it also becomes more and more apparent that she's become victim to her own addictions as well.well.
* [[JerkassWoobie Trevor]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in general]], really. Think about his backstory for a while; implied abuse of an unspecified sort from his father, implied emotional and sexual abuse by his mother, the above-mentioned abandonment issues, loses his best friend first to a stripper and then to a bullet, finds out that friend has been alive and living in San Andreas, their friendship frays and tears throughout the course of the game, and in [[spoiler: 2 of 3 possible endings, he ends up either KilledOffForReal or back where he started with Michael really dead this time. Of course you can pick the GoldenEnding, too, but that's the only ending that's not a bummer for Trevor]]. Still, yikes. No wonder he became an AxCrazy meth addict/dealer and black market weapons dealer.
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* The Loneliest Robot in Great Britain (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). Even though it's likely meant to be a TakeThat to {{Wangst}}-y OscarBait movies, you just can't help but [[TheWoobie feel bad for the titular robot at the end.]]

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* The Loneliest Robot in Great Britain (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). Even though it's likely meant to be a TakeThat to {{Wangst}}-y OscarBait movies, you just can't help but [[TheWoobie [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds feel bad for the titular robot at the end.]]
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* The Loneliest Robot in Great Britain (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). Even though it's likely meant to be a TakeThat to {{Wangst}}-y OscarBait movies, you just can't help but feel bad for the titular robot at the end.

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* The Loneliest Robot in Great Britain (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). Even though it's likely meant to be a TakeThat to {{Wangst}}-y OscarBait movies, you just can't help but [[TheWoobie feel bad for the titular robot at the end.]]
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**** Which makes it more understandable, though no less horrible, when the very next time he [[spoiler: meets Floyd, the encounter ends with a brutal murder. Floyd was kicking him out, and he just couldn't take another perceived betrayal.]]
* The Loneliest Robot in Great Britain (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). You just can't help but feel bad for the titular robot at the end.

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**** Which makes it more understandable, though no less horrible, when the very next time he [[spoiler: meets Floyd, the encounter ends with a brutal murder. Floyd (and to a greater extent, Floyd's girlfriend Debra) was kicking him out, and he just couldn't take another perceived betrayal.]]
* The Loneliest Robot in Great Britain (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). You Even though it's likely meant to be a TakeThat to {{Wangst}}-y OscarBait movies, you just can't help but feel bad for the titular robot at the end.

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*** [[spoiler: Oh, it's even worse. From Michael's distraught voice as he screams how Franklin was like a son to him, and that Michael practically let him stay at his house, to the shot of Michael's corpse on the ground and Franklin looking like he's just fighting back tears when he sees what he's done. It hits home that they really did look to each other.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Oh, it's even worse. From Michael's distraught voice as he screams how Franklin was like a son to him, and that Michael practically let him stay at his house, to the shot of Michael's corpse on the ground and Franklin looking like he's just fighting back tears when he sees what he's done. It hits home that they really did look to each other.]] The conversation that Michael and Franklin have before Franklin tells Michael that he's going to kill him worsens it all the more.]]
*** [[spoiler: As if that wasn't enough, you can be contacted by both Jimmy and Amanda, both distraught at Michael's death and angry at Franklin for killing Michael.]]
--> [[spoiler:Michael: "You hypocrite! I shoulda clipped you when you broke into my house!......I'm all you've got! You made the wrong call!"]]


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*** [[spoiler: This also applies during the option where you kill Michael, as when Franklin told Trevor that he would be killing Michael, [[WhatTheHellHero Trevor angrily calls him out on this, and in postgame text messages, he says to Franklin that he is dead to him.]]]]
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*** [[spoiler: Oh, it's even worse. From Michael's distraught voice as he screams how Franklin was like a son to him, and that Michael practically let him stay at his house, to the shot of Michael's corpse on the ground and Franklin looking like he's just fighting back tears when he sees what he's done. It hits home that they really did look to each other more.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Oh, it's even worse. From Michael's distraught voice as he screams how Franklin was like a son to him, and that Michael practically let him stay at his house, to the shot of Michael's corpse on the ground and Franklin looking like he's just fighting back tears when he sees what he's done. It hits home that they really did look to each other more.other.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Oh, it's even worse. From Michael's distraught voice as he screams how Franklin was like a son to him, and that Michael practically let him stay at his house, to the shot of Michael's corpse on the ground and Franklin looking like he's just fighting back tears when he sees what he's done. It hits home that they really did look to each other more.]]
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**** Which makes it more understandable, though no less horrible, when the very next time he [[spoiler: meets Floyd, the encounter ends with a brutal murder. Floyd was kicking him out, and he just couldn't take another perceived betrayal.]]
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* The Loneliest Robot in England (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). You just can't help but feel bad for the titular robot at the end.

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* The Loneliest Robot in England Great Britain (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). You just can't help but feel bad for the titular robot at the end.
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* The Loneliest Robot in England (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). You just can't help but feel bad for the titular robot at the end.

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* The Loneliest Robot in England (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). You just can't help but feel bad for the titular robot at the end.end.
* Franklin's friend, and possible OldFlame, Tonya. She's a drug addict in an emotionally abusive relationship with a lazy bum who refuses to go to work. While she's no catch herself and guilts Franklin into doing her boyfriends work for him, she's actually still out there making sure he keeps his job while it's implied that he is cheating on her. Throughout the side missions, it also becomes more and more apparent that she's become victim to her own addictions as well.
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*** Perhaps the saddest part of that scene was when Trevor pitifully asks [[spoiler:"Why does everyone I love abandon me?"]] Who would have thought that you could feel so sad for such a violent lunatic?

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*** Perhaps the saddest part of that scene was when Trevor pitifully asks [[spoiler:"Why does everyone I love abandon me?"]] Who would have thought that you could feel so sad for such a violent lunatic?lunatic?
* The Loneliest Robot in England (a movie you can see at the in-game theaters). You just can't help but feel bad for the titular robot at the end.
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** [[spoiler: That Trevor's implied to be more surprised and hurt by Franklin's betrayal than anything else is rather heartbreaking on its own; he clearly trusted him completely.]]
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** Earlier in the game he starts blubbering when he has to [[spoiler:let Patricia Madrazo return to her husband,]] and, boy, was he clearly torn up about it.

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** Earlier in the game he starts blubbering when he has to [[spoiler:let Patricia Madrazo return to her husband,]] and, boy, was he clearly torn up about it.it.
*** Perhaps the saddest part of that scene was when Trevor pitifully asks [[spoiler:"Why does everyone I love abandon me?"]] Who would have thought that you could feel so sad for such a violent lunatic?
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*** Trevor: [[spoiler: "Man, that stuff is pointless, all it does is make me realize how awful everything about existence really is..."]]

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* Trevor really suffers from abandonment issues, if "Mrs. Philips" is any indicator. [[spoiler: Trevor's mother returns and she asks him to get her a literal van full of Delutoral, presumably a pain killer of some sort. He does it without question, but when he returns to the trailer he finds it empty. He searches each room frantically, calling out to her as he does, but when he realizes she isn't there, he drops to the floor screaming, holding his hands to his head.]] It's a heartbreaking moment for him if there ever was one.

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* Trevor really suffers from abandonment issues, if "Mrs. Philips" is any indicator. [[spoiler: Trevor's mother returns and she asks him to get her a literal van full of Delutoral, Deludamol, presumably a pain killer of some sort. He does it without question, but when he returns to the trailer he finds it empty. He searches each room frantically, calling out to her as he does, but when he realizes she isn't there, he drops to the floor screaming, holding his hands to his head.]] It's a heartbreaking moment for him if there ever was one.one.
** After the scene in question, control will automatically switch over to one of the other two characters- switch back to Trevor quickly enough and he can be seen [[spoiler: sobbing for his mother on the couch in his trailer, taking something that may well be some of the Deludamol you just dropped off.]] While possibly not directly related, if you choose to huff gas immediately afterward, Trevor will pass out and wake up in an empty pool, and say the following, with obvious dejection in his voice-
*** Trevor: [[spoiler: "Man, that stuff is pointless, all it does is make me realize how awful everything about existence really is..."]]
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** It's scenes like this, and smaller ones through the game (like his sincere concern over Michael's daughter), that make it clear that Trevor isn't a cookie-cutter CompleteMonster, but rather a deeply fucked-up individual, even if he has gone beyond the line of any sympathy.

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** It's scenes like this, and smaller ones through the game (like his sincere concern over Michael's daughter), that make it clear that Trevor isn't a cookie-cutter CompleteMonster, but rather is a deeply fucked-up individual, even if he has gone beyond the line of any sympathy.
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** It's scenes like this, and smaller ones through the game (like his sincere concern over Michael's daughter) that make it clear that Trevor isn't a cookie-cutter CompleteMonster, but rather a deeply fucked-up individual, even if he has gone beyond the line of any sympathy.
** What about the hint that [[spoiler: his mother was a hallucination ? That's just heartache incarnate.]]
** Earlier in the game he starts blubbering when he has to [[spoiler: Let Patricia Madrazo return to her husband.]] he was clearly torn up about it.

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** It's scenes like this, and smaller ones through the game (like his sincere concern over Michael's daughter) daughter), that make it clear that Trevor isn't a cookie-cutter CompleteMonster, but rather a deeply fucked-up individual, even if he has gone beyond the line of any sympathy.
** What about the hint that [[spoiler: his mother was a hallucination ? hallucination? That's just heartache incarnate.]]
** Earlier in the game he starts blubbering when he has to [[spoiler: Let [[spoiler:let Patricia Madrazo return to her husband.]] he husband,]] and, boy, was he clearly torn up about it.
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** What about the hint that [[spoiler: his mother was a hallucination ? That's just heartache incarnate.]]

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** What about the hint that [[spoiler: his mother was a hallucination ? That's just heartache incarnate.]]]]
** Earlier in the game he starts blubbering when he has to [[spoiler: Let Patricia Madrazo return to her husband.]] he was clearly torn up about it.
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** Gets even worst when you listen to the dialogue [[spoiler: of the surviving members of the Lost during the wake. The all blae Johnny for the state their gang is in, and believe that Billy would've been a better leader.]]

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** Gets even worst when you listen to the dialogue [[spoiler: of the surviving members of the Lost during the wake. The They all blae blame Johnny for the state their gang is in, and believe that Billy would've been a better leader.leader, refusing to believe the "rumors" that Billy was planning on selling the gang out.]]
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** Gets even worst when you listen to the dialogue [[spoiler: of the surviving members of the Lost during the wake. The all blae Johnny for the state their gang is in, and believe that Billy would've been a better leader.]]
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** It's scenes like this, and smaller ones through the game (like his sincere concern over Michael's daughter) that make it clear that Trevor isn't a cookie-cutter CompleteMonster, but rather a deeply fucked-up individual, even if he has gone beyond the line of any sympathy.

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** It's scenes like this, and smaller ones through the game (like his sincere concern over Michael's daughter) that make it clear that Trevor isn't a cookie-cutter CompleteMonster, but rather a deeply fucked-up individual, even if he has gone beyond the line of any sympathy.sympathy.
** What about the hint that [[spoiler: his mother was a hallucination ? That's just heartache incarnate.]]
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* Trevor really suffers from abandonment issues, if "Mrs. Philips" is any indicator. [[spoiler: Trevor's mother returns and she asks him to get her a literal van full of Delutoral, presumably a pain killer of some sort. He does it without question, but when he returns to the trailer he finds it empty. He searches each room frantically, calling out to her as he does, but when he realizes she isn't there, he drops to the floor screaming, holding his hands to his head.]] It's a heartbreaking moment for him if there ever was one.

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* Trevor really suffers from abandonment issues, if "Mrs. Philips" is any indicator. [[spoiler: Trevor's mother returns and she asks him to get her a literal van full of Delutoral, presumably a pain killer of some sort. He does it without question, but when he returns to the trailer he finds it empty. He searches each room frantically, calling out to her as he does, but when he realizes she isn't there, he drops to the floor screaming, holding his hands to his head.]] It's a heartbreaking moment for him if there ever was one.one.
** It's scenes like this, and smaller ones through the game (like his sincere concern over Michael's daughter) that make it clear that Trevor isn't a cookie-cutter CompleteMonster, but rather a deeply fucked-up individual, even if he has gone beyond the line of any sympathy.
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** The Lost in general, really. In just half a decade, they've [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen degenerated]] into a small enclave of dirt-poor, rapidly-aged desert methheads.[[spoiler: Trevor pounds the final nail in their coffin.]] It was sort of inevitable with the way ''The Lost and Damned'' ended.
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** [[spoiler: On the other hand, one might not feel so bad about killing Trevor [[{{MoralEventHorizon}} when you remember some of his actions...]] But being [[KillItWithFire burned alive]], screaming his head off, is a bad way to go even for him.]]

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** [[spoiler: On the other hand, one might not feel so bad about killing Trevor [[{{MoralEventHorizon}} when you remember some of his actions...]] But being [[KillItWithFire burned alive]], screaming his head off, is a bad way to go even for him.]]]]
* Trevor really suffers from abandonment issues, if "Mrs. Philips" is any indicator. [[spoiler: Trevor's mother returns and she asks him to get her a literal van full of Delutoral, presumably a pain killer of some sort. He does it without question, but when he returns to the trailer he finds it empty. He searches each room frantically, calling out to her as he does, but when he realizes she isn't there, he drops to the floor screaming, holding his hands to his head.]] It's a heartbreaking moment for him if there ever was one.
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** [[spoiler: On the other hand, one might not feel so bad about killing Trevor [[{{MoralEventHorizon}} when you remember some of his actions.]]]]

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** [[spoiler: On the other hand, one might not feel so bad about killing Trevor [[{{MoralEventHorizon}} when you remember some of his actions.]]]]actions...]] But being [[KillItWithFire burned alive]], screaming his head off, is a bad way to go even for him.]]
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** [[spoiler: On the other hand, one might not feel so bad about killing Trevor [[MoralEventHorizon when you remember some of his actions.]]]]

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** [[spoiler: Espically if you kill Michael, after he got his life around.]]

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** [[spoiler: Espically Especially if you kill Michael, after he got his life around.]]]]
** [[spoiler: On the other hand, one might not feel so bad about killing Trevor [[MoralEventHorizon when you remember some of his actions.]]]]
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* In Johnny Klebitz's cameo, we are treated to seeing [[spoiler:Trevor stomping his head in, and when he leaves, Ashley just collapses at Johnny's body crying.]]
* In hindsight seeing [[spoiler: Grove Street now being run by Ballas, complete with a run down version of the Johnson house.]]
* [[spoiler: In two of three MultipleEndings, we are forced to pick between killing Michael or Trevor. Now of course you can TakeTheThirdOption which gives you a GoldenEnding, but the fact remains.]]
** [[spoiler: Espically if you kill Michael, after he got his life around.]]

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