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* HufflepuffHouse: The Alabaster Legion was made up the demons who for whatever reason didn't want to join either the Crimson, Iron, Ebon or Silver Legions.
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* NobleDemon: The Devils, in particular, have a traditional code of honour that aims to make them this. You can conquer, kill and destroy, but you must do it with courage and integrity, making sure to honour your promises and paying whatever personal price your convictions may require of you. Not all modern Devils still live up to this ideal, mind.
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* NumberOfTheBeast: There are six hundred sixty-six Earthbound.

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* NumberOfTheBeast: There are six hundred sixty-six Earthbound. Likewise, Lucifer's True Name, when translated into binary and written in eight-point type, covers exactly six hundred and sixty-six pages.
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* CreativeSterility: A subtle examples. Angels (fallen or otherwise) can ''create'' like nobody's business. What they can't do is ''innovate.'' Only God or humankind (who are created in Her image) are capable of creating entirely new concepts - angels can follow their instructions, improve on their overall designs, make a few personal flourishes within an established theme, and even take their ideas [[GoneHorriblyRight further than they]] [[UpToEleven thought possible]], but they can't conceive of a truly original idea.


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* HumansAreFlawed: And apparently by design.
-->'''Lucifer:''' Humans aren't perfect. They weren't meant to be.
* HumansAreSpecial: A decidedly cynical and downplayed take on this. Humans ''are'' special, each one having a spark of divine creativity in them that demons can never hope to emulate, making them capable of reshaping the world according to their will and coming up with endless wonders - and maybe one in a million actually makes good on that potential, with the rest just acting like stupid, selfish apes. Much of the demons' frustration throughout history has come from just how difficult it is to make humans get their asses in gear and act like the elevated beings they were meant to be.


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* OmniscientMoralityLicense: God responded to the angels' concerns about the state of humanity by claiming that in contrary to appearances, She had excellent reasons for what She was doing that She would not explain, but would show to anyone who came to Her and asked. Those who did were never seen again, and their fate is left ambiguous.


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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Lucifer was of course the original one, and other demons can fall into this when their Torment is low but their ambition remain high (as is the case with the nicer sort of Faustians). In fact, it's implied to have been an intrinsic part of the angelic mindset even before the Fall - at Torment 1, representing the highest moral state a demon can realistically achieve, a demon is forbidden from showing "unwillingness to sacrifice for the [[TheNeedsOfTheMany greater good]]."
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* HopelessWar: [[VampireTheMasquerade After Caine invented murder]], Lucifer essentially lost control of three of his five legions, and many of those renegade Fallen didn't take long at all to more or less spiral into StupidEvil. The Fallen who kept their shit together were pretty much fucked from word go because they had to spend almost as much time and effort fixing their fellows' screw ups and bullshit evil experiments as they did resisting the heavenly host.

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* HopelessWar: [[VampireTheMasquerade [[TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade After Caine invented murder]], Lucifer essentially lost control of three of his five legions, and many of those renegade Fallen didn't take long at all to more or less spiral into StupidEvil. The Fallen who kept their shit together were pretty much fucked from word go because they had to spend almost as much time and effort fixing their fellows' screw ups and bullshit evil experiments as they did resisting the heavenly host.
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* BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil: By the time a few demons manage to escape the Abyss, the eons of suffering have so broken them that even what were once the most noble among them can only be dragged into sanity by exposure to the memories and feelings of a human host. The Earthbound, lacking such a host, are without exception horrid monstrosities.
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** Though that is not actually what happened. Each and every Fallen was condemned to a place where only they were and nothing else. The Anguish and the Suffering they produce themselves but they could also stop since it is theirs.

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* ShoutOut: Earthbound Belial, one of Lucifer's five most powerful subordinates before the imprisonment, looks a lot like [[CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]]. Or at least the reliquary inhabited by his spirit does, as his manifestation is said to be so horrible that it defies description.

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Earthbound Belial, one of Lucifer's five most powerful subordinates before the imprisonment, looks a lot like [[CthulhuMythos [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]]. Or at least the reliquary inhabited by his spirit does, as his manifestation is said to be so horrible that it defies description.
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The pinnacle of the Houses' collective act of creation was mankind, destined to be a reflection of all the greatest traits of God and Angels and beyond. Except it didn't happen. Everyone waited and humans were still focused entirely on humping and eating anything they saw. The angels tried to ask God what was wrong with them, but anybody who went to see him didn't come back, with the best case scenario being that God assimilated them and worst case unmade them.

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The pinnacle of the Houses' collective act of creation was mankind, destined to be a reflection of all the greatest traits of God and Angels and beyond. Except it didn't happen. Everyone waited and humans were still focused entirely on humping and eating anything they saw. The angels tried to ask God what was wrong with them, but anybody who went to see him Her didn't come back, with the best case scenario being that God assimilated them and worst case unmade them.



* BadassArmy: The Fallen were this once upon a time. Despite going up against the will of ''God Himself'' and being outnumbered by the loyalists 2:1, the Fallen did remarkably well in the War of Wrath. And if it weren't for a rather large and ultimately fatal fuck up near the end, they probably could have kept going.

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* BadassArmy: The Fallen were this once upon a time. Despite going up against the will of ''God Himself'' Herself'' and being outnumbered by the loyalists 2:1, the Fallen did remarkably well in the War of Wrath. And if it weren't for a rather large and ultimately fatal fuck up near the end, they probably could have kept going.



** The overriding feeling is more "God is Apathetic." Given the fact that the World of Darkness is such a [[WorldHalfEmpty crapsack world]], perhaps He just gave up on the whole thing. Not to mention that a free and sapient humanity managed to ''create'' the CrapsackWorld, even without the presence of the Earthbound; after all, many of the supernatural threats were once human.

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** The overriding feeling is more "God is Apathetic." Given the fact that the World of Darkness is such a [[WorldHalfEmpty crapsack world]], perhaps He She just gave up on the whole thing. Not to mention that a free and sapient humanity managed to ''create'' the CrapsackWorld, even without the presence of the Earthbound; after all, many of the supernatural threats were once human.
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* NiceGuy: Ahrimal/Detective Gerhard Leibner is an entirely benign, genuinely altrustic and well-meaning demon upon his return to the world. He was apparently drawn to his host because he was something of a KnightInSourArmor, being an idealist who had his hopes crushed repeatedly by the cynical Classical World of Darkness. Ahrimal admits Gerhard was more or less a shell of a man by the time he arrived and took comtrol of his body.

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* NiceGuy: Ahrimal/Detective Gerhard Leibner is an entirely benign, genuinely altrustic and well-meaning demon upon his return to the world. He was apparently drawn to his host because he was something of a KnightInSourArmor, being an idealist who had his hopes crushed repeatedly by the cynical Classical World of Darkness. Ahrimal admits Gerhard was more or less a shell of a man by the time he arrived and took comtrol control of his body.
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* NiceGuy: Ahrimal/Detective Gerhard Leibner is an entirely benign, genuinely altrustic, and well-meaning demon upon his return to the world. He was apparently draw to his host because he was something of a KnightInSourArmor, being an idealist who had his hopes crushed repeatedly by the cynical Classical World of Darkness.

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* NiceGuy: Ahrimal/Detective Gerhard Leibner is an entirely benign, genuinely altrustic, altrustic and well-meaning demon upon his return to the world. He was apparently draw drawn to his host because he was something of a KnightInSourArmor, being an idealist who had his hopes crushed repeatedly by the cynical Classical World of Darkness.Darkness. Ahrimal admits Gerhard was more or less a shell of a man by the time he arrived and took comtrol of his body.
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* NiceGuy: Ahrimal/Detective Gerhard Leibner is an entirely benign, genuinely altrustic, and well-meaning demon upon his return to the world. He was apparently draw to his host because he was something of a KnightInSourArmor, being an idealist who had his hopes crushed repeatedly by the cynical Classical World of Darkness.
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* TheArmiesOfHeaven: In the backstory, Lucifer's rebellious angels have battled the angelic armies loyal to God and led by ArchangelMichael, but the latter seem to have disappeared from the world while the Fallen were locked up in the Abyss.

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* KickTheDog: God and the heavenly host made the defeated Fallen watch as they destroyed everything the rebel angels had worked for, then, rather than simply unmaking them, sealed them away in the Abyss so their suffering would be eternal.

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* KickTheDog: God and the heavenly host made the defeated Fallen watch as they destroyed everything the rebel angels had worked for, then, rather than simply unmaking them, sealed them away in the Abyss so that their suffering would be eternal.


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* NoTrueScotsman: The angels do not consider the Fallen their brethren. Some Fallen couldn't agree more.
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* KickTheDog: God and the heavenly host made the defeated Fallen watch as they destroyed everything they had worked for, then, rather than simply unmaking them, sealed them away in the Abyss so their suffering would be eternal.

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* KickTheDog: God and the heavenly host made the defeated Fallen watch as they destroyed everything they the rebel angels had worked for, then, rather than simply unmaking them, sealed them away in the Abyss so their suffering would be eternal.

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* DisproportionateRetribution: Almost impressively, as the Fallen weren't to a man the most sympathetic of people by the time they had lost the war against heaven. Still, condemning '''each and every one''' of them to never-ending anguish and suffering (to the point that it's likely even the nicer Fallen were DrivenToMadness and turned into spiteful horrors) was a pretty petty thing to do.

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* DisproportionateRetribution: Almost impressively, as the Fallen weren't to a man the most sympathetic of people by the time they had lost the war against heaven. Still, condemning '''each and every one''' of them to [[AndIMustScream never-ending anguish and suffering suffering]] (to the point that it's likely even the nicer Fallen were DrivenToMadness and turned into spiteful horrors) was a pretty petty thing to do.


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* KickTheDog: God and the heavenly host made the defeated Fallen watch as they destroyed everything they had worked for, then, rather than simply unmaking them, sealed them away in the Abyss so their suffering would be eternal.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: Almost impressively, as the Fallen weren't to a man the most sympathetic of people by the time they had lost the war against heaven. Still, condemning '''each and every one''' of them to never-ending anguish and suffering (to the point that it's likely even the nicer Fallen were DrivenToMadness and turned into spiteful horrors) was a pretty petty thing to do.
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* {{Anti-Villain}}: Naturally, many of the Fallen are this. They had sympathetic reasons to rebel against God, and [[FateWorseThanDeath what happened to them after they lost the war]] [[AndIMustScream was fucked up.]]

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* {{Anti-Villain}}: AntiVillain: Naturally, many of the Fallen are this. They had sympathetic reasons to rebel against God, and [[FateWorseThanDeath what happened to them after they lost the war]] [[AndIMustScream was fucked up.]]
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* {{AntiVillain}}: Naturally, many of the Fallen are this. They had sympathetic reasons to rebel against God, and [[FateWorseThanDeath what happened to them after they lost the war]] [[AndIMustScream was fucked up.]]

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* {{AntiVillain}}: {{Anti-Villain}}: Naturally, many of the Fallen are this. They had sympathetic reasons to rebel against God, and [[FateWorseThanDeath what happened to them after they lost the war]] [[AndIMustScream was fucked up.]]
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* {{AntiVillain}}: Naturally, many of the Fallen are this. They had sympathetic reasons to rebel against God, and [[FateWorseThanDeath what happened to them after they lost the war]] [[AndIMustScream was fucked up.]]

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* DrivenToInsanity: An eternity of damnation and hellish torment within the Abyss has driven ''every last Fallen'' insane. Only by merging with a human host (and by extension, their memories and emotions) can a demon ultimately get enough of a grip on themselves to avoid being a hate-filled monstrosity.

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* DrivenToInsanity: DrivenToMadness: An eternity of damnation and hellish torment within the Abyss has driven ''every last Fallen'' insane. Only by merging with a human host (and by extension, their memories and emotions) can a demon ultimately get enough of a grip on themselves to avoid being a hate-filled monstrosity.


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* MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch: There is no love lost between the Fallen and their angelic brethren.
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* DrivenToInsanity: An eternity of damnation and hellish torment within the Abyss has driven ''every last Fallen'' insane. Only by merging with a human host (and by extension, their memories and emotions) can a demon ultimately get enough of a grip on themselves to avoid being a hate-filled monstrosity.
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** Or it is. The more evil the demon is, the more like a demon he looks. Truly benevolent ones look angelic.
*** Depends on the type of demon. Nicer Slayers still look like dark angels, just, you know, pretty ones.
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* EscapedFromHell: The player characters are minor fallen angels who escaped from the Abyss when its walls cracked under the Sixth Maelstrom and latched onto human hosts to stay in the mortal world. There are also the Earthbound--much more powerful demons who instead escaped via diabolists' summons and possessed inanimate objects instead.
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* HopelessWar: [[VampireTheMasquerade After Caine invented murder]], Lucifer essentially lost control of three of his five legions, and many of those renegade Fallen didn't take long at all to more or less spiral into StupidEvil. The Fallen who kept their shit together were pretty much fucked from word go because they had to spend almost as much time and effort fixing their fellows' screw ups and bullshit evil experiments as they did resisting the heavenly host.
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* BadassArmy: The Fallen were this once upon a time. Despite going up against the will of ''God Himself'' and being outnumbered by the loyalists 2:1, the Fallen did remarkably well in the War of Wrath. And if it weren't for a rather large and ultimately fatal fuck up near the end, they probably could have keep going.

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* BadassArmy: The Fallen were this once upon a time. Despite going up against the will of ''God Himself'' and being outnumbered by the loyalists 2:1, the Fallen did remarkably well in the War of Wrath. And if it weren't for a rather large and ultimately fatal fuck up near the end, they probably could have keep kept going.
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* BadassArmy: The Fallen were this once upon a time. Despite going up against the will of ''God Himself'' and being outnumbered by the loyalist 2:1, the Fallen did remarkably well in the War of Wrath. And if it weren't for a rather large and ultimately fatal fuck up near the end, they probably could have keep going.

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* BadassArmy: The Fallen were this once upon a time. Despite going up against the will of ''God Himself'' and being outnumbered by the loyalist loyalists 2:1, the Fallen did remarkably well in the War of Wrath. And if it weren't for a rather large and ultimately fatal fuck up near the end, they probably could have keep going.
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* BadassArmy: The Fallen were this once upon a time. Despite going up against the will of ''God Himself'' and being outnumbered by the loyalist 2:1, the Fallen did remarkably well in the War of Wrath. And if it weren't for a rather large and ultimately fatal fuck up near the end, they probably could have keep going.
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* ShellShockedVeteran: You'd be hard pressed to find an angel or demon who ''isn't'' this, what with every single one of them having fought in a generations long, unimaginably brutal civil war.

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* ShellShockedVeteran: You'd be hard pressed to find an angel or demon who ''isn't'' this, what with every single one of them having fought in a bitter, generations long, unimaginably brutal civil war.
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* ShellShockedSurvivor: You'd be hard pressed to find an angel or demon who ''isn't'' this, what with every single one of them having fought in a generations long, unimaginably brutal civil war.

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* ShellShockedSurvivor: ShellShockedVeteran: You'd be hard pressed to find an angel or demon who ''isn't'' this, what with every single one of them having fought in a generations long, unimaginably brutal civil war.

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