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** [[Anime/DragonBallZSuperAndroid13 Android 13]] delivers a glorious ShutUpKirk to Future Trunks in the Funimation dub of his eponymous NonSerialMovie, when Trunks tries to call him out over being KillerRobot designed to do nothing but kill Goku.
--->'''Trunks''': You’re just a slave, a pawn with no free will of its own, is that it?\\
'''13''': [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill Free will]]? [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Pitiful humans, war, segregation, hatred]], is that what you’ve done with your free will boy? Don’t you lecture me with your 30 dollar haircut ''Goku dies!''
--->'''Trunks''': You’re just a slave, a pawn with no free will of its own, is that it?\\
'''13''': [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill Free will]]? [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Pitiful humans, war, segregation, hatred]], is that what you’ve done with your free will boy? Don’t you lecture me with your 30 dollar haircut ''Goku dies!''
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** [[Anime/DragonBallZSuperAndroid13 Android 13]] delivers a glorious ShutUpKirk rebuttal to Future Trunks in the Funimation dub of his eponymous NonSerialMovie, when Trunks tries to call him out over being a KillerRobot designed to do nothing but kill Goku.
--->'''Trunks''': You’re --->'''13:''' I was programmed to kill your ass, and that's exactly what I'm gonna do, you hear?\\
'''Trunks:''' You're just a slave, a pawn with no free will of its own, is that it?\\
'''13''': [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill '''13:''' Free will]]? will? [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Pitiful humans, war, humans. War, segregation, hatred]], is hatred!]] [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill Is that what you’ve you've done with your free will boy? Don’t will, boy?!]] Don't you lecture me with your 30 dollar haircut thirty-dollar haircut, ''Goku dies!''
'''Trunks:''' You're just a slave, a pawn with no free will of its own, is that it?\\
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Times where an antagonist [[ShutUpKirk rejects the heroes']] [[KirkSummation attempt to reason with them]] in {{Anime}} and {{Manga}}.
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* In ''Manga/{{Bakuman}}'', after [[spoiler:Nanamine]] outlines his plan, Mashiro and Takagi disapprove of it. He then says he's disappointed because he thought they would understand, and they respond by saying that ''they're'' disappointed that he would waste his talent and throw away his pride. [[spoiler:Nanamine]] then says that professionals do whatever it takes to succeed, and anyone whose pride comes before that has yet to learn what it takes to be a professional.
* In ''Manga/{{Bokurano}}'', the following exchange occurs when Chizu, [[spoiler:who knows she and her baby are going to die after her battle]], since she's Zearth's pilot, starts firing Zearth's lasers to take revenge on [[spoiler:the men who raped her]], causing collateral damage.
-->'''Tanaka''': [[WhatTheHellHero What makes you think this is even remotely acceptable]]? We live under a constitutional government to prevent that from happening!\\
'''Chizu''': Constitutional government? Then go ahead and make a world with a perfect government. However, [[spoiler:I don't have the time to wait for that to happen]].
* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'':
** In the Frieza Saga, Gohan faces Recoome and gives a speech declaring he is the son of the great hero Goku, who inspired him to not be afraid of bullies and stand up to them. Recoome says he doesn't care and nothing Gohan says can change the fact Gohan doesn't stand a chance. He proves it.
** In the Buu Saga, when the Supreme Kai pleads with Vegeta to fight Babidi's MindControl, begging him to focus on the good and "be innocent and clear," Vegeta retorts, "How can you say that? [[CardCarryingVillain I'm]] ''[[CardCarryingVillain not]]'' [[CardCarryingVillain innocent!]]" Later, when he calls Vegeta out on focusing on his "meaningless squabble" with Goku over saving the universe from Majin Buu, Vegeta responds with a MotiveRant about how humiliated he feels [[AlwaysSecondBest being Goku's]] [[SecondPlaceIsForLosers second]] and how he wants to reclaim his honor after everything he's been through.
--->'''Vegeta''': "Meaningless", huh? '''''WHAT DO YOU KNOW OF MEANINGLESS?''''' Spend most of ''your'' life ruled by another...watch ''your'' race [[DyingRace dwindle to a handful]]...and then, tell me what has more meaning than your own strength! I have in me the blood of a Saiyan Prince! ''He'' is nothing but a joke! Yet I've had to watch him surpass me in strength, my destiny thrown to the wayside! He's...he's even [[EmbarrassingRescue saved my life as if I were a helpless child]]. He has stolen my honor. And his debts must be paid.
** [[Anime/DragonBallZSuperAndroid13 Android 13]] delivers a glorious ShutUpKirk to Future Trunks in the Funimation dub of his eponymous NonSerialMovie, when Trunks tries to call him out over being KillerRobot designed to do nothing but kill Goku.
--->'''Trunks''': You’re just a slave, a pawn with no free will of its own, is that it?\\
'''13''': [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill Free will]]? [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Pitiful humans, war, segregation, hatred]], is that what you’ve done with your free will boy? Don’t you lecture me with your 30 dollar haircut ''Goku dies!''
* ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': During the Future Trunks Saga, Trunks calls [[EvilTwin Goku Black]] out on his [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal rampage]], calling him nothing more than a murderer. In response, Black goes on a MotiveRant alongside [[spoiler:Future]] Zamasu, stating that everything that's happening is Trunks' fault because he [[ButterflyOfDoom went back in time and saved Goku from the heart virus]], breaking the gods' TimeTravelTaboo in the process; had Trunks just let Goku die as he was originally supposed to, then [[spoiler:Goku never would have met Zamasu, Zamasu would never have stolen Goku's body, and Black himself would have never existed.]] Basically, they're saying that if he and Bulma did nothing to stop the Androids, none of this would have happened.
* In ''Manga/FailedPrincesses'', some members of Fujishiro's gyaru group badmouth her after she gets suspended. Kurokawa, a plain-looking girl Fujishiro had befriended over the course of the story, overhears them talking and steps in to speak up for Fujishiro, but Miki fires back with a cutting TheReasonYouSuckSpeech saying that Fujishiro will always think of Kurokawa and the others as beneath her.
* Wrath/[[spoiler:Fuhrer Bradley]] of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' gives one of these as he lies dying and Lan Fan asks if he has any dying words. He dies content with the life he had led, no matter how horrid his enemies found it.
-->'''Lan Fan''': Any last words you'd like to say?\\
'''Wrath''': None.\\
'''Lan Fan''': Such a sad life. Tell me, [[spoiler:Bradley]]. Was there anyone who you loved? Any friends? [[spoiler:Your wife]]?\\
'''Wrath''': [[spoiler:My wife...]]\\
'''Lan Fan''': Are you saying you have nothing? No message for her? When she finds out what you are...\\
'''Wrath''': Your trivial words of sorrow, of love and guilt mean nothing to me, young lady. [[spoiler:My wife understands. She is the woman that I chose to live by my side]]. There are no more words that need to pass between us now. That's what it means to be [[spoiler:the wife of the Fuhrer]].
** Kimblee has his moment of this too, listening to Al's declaration that he will TakeAThirdOption that will allow them to save everyone and regain their bodies. Kimblee then reasons there must exist a fourth option where both brothers fail completely.
* ''Anime/GirlsUndPanzer'':
** When [[JerkAss Erika]] shows up to mock Miho, who was her teammate and predecessor as vice-captain before she switched schools, Miho's friends step up to defend her.
-->'''Yukari''': [[WithDueRespect If I may say something]], I don't think Miho-san's decision was incorrect in the match we had.\\
'''Erika''': I think someone needs to mind their own business.\\
'''Yukari''': ''(chastened)'' I'm sorry.
** In the ''Little Army'' manga, when Miho asks her mother if [[spoiler:it was necessary for Maho to shoot the enemy's flag tank when it went to rescue one of her team's tanks]], she gets this response.
--->'''Shiho''': What a foolish question. For one who carries the name of the Nishizumi family to say such a foolish thing... it's plainly embarrassing.
** Anchovy, after losing to Miho, accuses her of having thrown away victory in the last tournament. Miho responds by saying that there are more important things to her than victory. Anchovy begins to walk away but pauses to tell Miho that she thinks that the commander of a team has a responsibility to her subordinates to win, especially for Miho, who says she values her comrades. Anchovy [[JerkassHasApoint ends up being vindicated]] in the next round, in which [[spoiler:Miho learns that if she loses, she will be disinherited and her school will be shut down]].
* In ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'', BigBad [[spoiler: Miyo Takano]] shoots Keiichi point blank during his KirkSummation to shut him up. It's a bit [[GroundhogDayLoop complicated]] how only the identity of the villain is a spoiler.
* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'':
** When Jonathan, Zeppelli, and Speedwagon confront the vampire Dio in ''[[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventurePhantomBlood Phantom Blood]]'', Zeppeli notices Dio has healed his wounds from his previous fight with Jonathan and asks him how many lives he's "sucked away" to do so. Dio coolly asks Zeppeli if he remembers [[ButForMeItWasTuesday how many loaves of bread he's ever eaten]].
** In ''[[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureBattleTendency Battle Tendency]]'', Caesar Zeppelli swears revenge after Whamuu casually kills his friend [[TheAssimilator by walking into him]] while not even noticing him. The Pillarmen start laughing, remarking that this is hardly the first time someone swore revenge against them.
* In ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'', Chrono confronts [[spoiler:Admiral Graham and his familiars]] regarding their plan to deal with the Book of Darkness by sealing away its master for eternity, and says that because the master is innocent of any wrongdoing, it's illegal. [[spoiler:Lotte]] then launches into a tirade about how following the law only led to many victims being created, among them Chrono's father, although [[spoiler:Graham]], [[EvenEvilHasStandards apparently not caring for her doing so]], silences her.
* ''Manga/MuhyoAndRoji'':
** At the end of the Arcanum arc, Biko angrily blames her former friend Enchu for [[spoiler:her teacher Rio]]'s FaceHeelTurn, but Enchu [[AffablyEvil calmly and politely]] tells her that [[spoiler:Rio]] chose to betray the Association, which was responsible for her mother's death, out of her own free will.
** During the following arc, Goryo tells Roji that while Muhyo is superior to Goryo, Roji is holding him back. Roji insists that he's trying to help Muhyo despite his shortcomings, but Goryo thrusts his fan into Roji's face and tells him that he doesn't get it- that his inability to work well with Muhyo will be their downfall.
** After Page angrily tells Enchu that Yoichi, whom he had looked at dismissively, had gone to great lengths to bring Enchu back, and implies that he himself feels somewhat responsible, Enchu responds by saying "You talk too much, as always."
* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'':
** In ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'', a pissed-off Cyrus tells Dia that a stupid kid could never understand the concepts of time and space. Dia responds with a small but heartfelt speech about what time and space mean to him. Cyrus doesn't like Dia's answer (not to mention pissed that Dialga and Palkia seem to like the kid's answer over his), so he smacks the boy across the face with the Red Chain.
** From ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'', Pikachu tries to convince Mewtwo that Ash views him (Pikachu) as a friend, not a slave. Mewtwo is not convinced and hurls him against Ash.
* ''Manga/RurouniKenshin''. Kenshin's always being mocked for being a TechnicalPacifist, but the hardest burn comes from Saitou, who visited Kenshin's home while he was out and waited for him to come back, all to point out that he could have slaughtered everyone there if he felt like it and Kenshin wouldn't have been able to stop him.
** In the Jinchu Arc, [[TheDragon Gein]] invokes this against Kenshin regarding his ability to build battlesuits from corpses.
--->'''Kenshin''': As you say, it is a very advanced kind of technology. [[YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood You ought to use that technology for the good of the people]].\\
'''Gein''': I hear that a lot. But would a master swordsmith make razors? Would a superior castle architect build tenements? The forefront of technology is ''always'' in battle.
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Times where an antagonist [[ShutUpKirk rejects the heroes']] [[KirkSummation attempt to reason with them]] in {{Anime}} and {{Manga}}.
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* In ''Manga/{{Bakuman}}'', after [[spoiler:Nanamine]] outlines his plan, Mashiro and Takagi disapprove of it. He then says he's disappointed because he thought they would understand, and they respond by saying that ''they're'' disappointed that he would waste his talent and throw away his pride. [[spoiler:Nanamine]] then says that professionals do whatever it takes to succeed, and anyone whose pride comes before that has yet to learn what it takes to be a professional.
* In ''Manga/{{Bokurano}}'', the following exchange occurs when Chizu, [[spoiler:who knows she and her baby are going to die after her battle]], since she's Zearth's pilot, starts firing Zearth's lasers to take revenge on [[spoiler:the men who raped her]], causing collateral damage.
-->'''Tanaka''': [[WhatTheHellHero What makes you think this is even remotely acceptable]]? We live under a constitutional government to prevent that from happening!\\
'''Chizu''': Constitutional government? Then go ahead and make a world with a perfect government. However, [[spoiler:I don't have the time to wait for that to happen]].
* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'':
** In the Frieza Saga, Gohan faces Recoome and gives a speech declaring he is the son of the great hero Goku, who inspired him to not be afraid of bullies and stand up to them. Recoome says he doesn't care and nothing Gohan says can change the fact Gohan doesn't stand a chance. He proves it.
** In the Buu Saga, when the Supreme Kai pleads with Vegeta to fight Babidi's MindControl, begging him to focus on the good and "be innocent and clear," Vegeta retorts, "How can you say that? [[CardCarryingVillain I'm]] ''[[CardCarryingVillain not]]'' [[CardCarryingVillain innocent!]]" Later, when he calls Vegeta out on focusing on his "meaningless squabble" with Goku over saving the universe from Majin Buu, Vegeta responds with a MotiveRant about how humiliated he feels [[AlwaysSecondBest being Goku's]] [[SecondPlaceIsForLosers second]] and how he wants to reclaim his honor after everything he's been through.
--->'''Vegeta''': "Meaningless", huh? '''''WHAT DO YOU KNOW OF MEANINGLESS?''''' Spend most of ''your'' life ruled by another...watch ''your'' race [[DyingRace dwindle to a handful]]...and then, tell me what has more meaning than your own strength! I have in me the blood of a Saiyan Prince! ''He'' is nothing but a joke! Yet I've had to watch him surpass me in strength, my destiny thrown to the wayside! He's...he's even [[EmbarrassingRescue saved my life as if I were a helpless child]]. He has stolen my honor. And his debts must be paid.
** [[Anime/DragonBallZSuperAndroid13 Android 13]] delivers a glorious ShutUpKirk to Future Trunks in the Funimation dub of his eponymous NonSerialMovie, when Trunks tries to call him out over being KillerRobot designed to do nothing but kill Goku.
--->'''Trunks''': You’re just a slave, a pawn with no free will of its own, is that it?\\
'''13''': [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill Free will]]? [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Pitiful humans, war, segregation, hatred]], is that what you’ve done with your free will boy? Don’t you lecture me with your 30 dollar haircut ''Goku dies!''
* ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': During the Future Trunks Saga, Trunks calls [[EvilTwin Goku Black]] out on his [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal rampage]], calling him nothing more than a murderer. In response, Black goes on a MotiveRant alongside [[spoiler:Future]] Zamasu, stating that everything that's happening is Trunks' fault because he [[ButterflyOfDoom went back in time and saved Goku from the heart virus]], breaking the gods' TimeTravelTaboo in the process; had Trunks just let Goku die as he was originally supposed to, then [[spoiler:Goku never would have met Zamasu, Zamasu would never have stolen Goku's body, and Black himself would have never existed.]] Basically, they're saying that if he and Bulma did nothing to stop the Androids, none of this would have happened.
* In ''Manga/FailedPrincesses'', some members of Fujishiro's gyaru group badmouth her after she gets suspended. Kurokawa, a plain-looking girl Fujishiro had befriended over the course of the story, overhears them talking and steps in to speak up for Fujishiro, but Miki fires back with a cutting TheReasonYouSuckSpeech saying that Fujishiro will always think of Kurokawa and the others as beneath her.
* Wrath/[[spoiler:Fuhrer Bradley]] of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' gives one of these as he lies dying and Lan Fan asks if he has any dying words. He dies content with the life he had led, no matter how horrid his enemies found it.
-->'''Lan Fan''': Any last words you'd like to say?\\
'''Wrath''': None.\\
'''Lan Fan''': Such a sad life. Tell me, [[spoiler:Bradley]]. Was there anyone who you loved? Any friends? [[spoiler:Your wife]]?\\
'''Wrath''': [[spoiler:My wife...]]\\
'''Lan Fan''': Are you saying you have nothing? No message for her? When she finds out what you are...\\
'''Wrath''': Your trivial words of sorrow, of love and guilt mean nothing to me, young lady. [[spoiler:My wife understands. She is the woman that I chose to live by my side]]. There are no more words that need to pass between us now. That's what it means to be [[spoiler:the wife of the Fuhrer]].
** Kimblee has his moment of this too, listening to Al's declaration that he will TakeAThirdOption that will allow them to save everyone and regain their bodies. Kimblee then reasons there must exist a fourth option where both brothers fail completely.
* ''Anime/GirlsUndPanzer'':
** When [[JerkAss Erika]] shows up to mock Miho, who was her teammate and predecessor as vice-captain before she switched schools, Miho's friends step up to defend her.
-->'''Yukari''': [[WithDueRespect If I may say something]], I don't think Miho-san's decision was incorrect in the match we had.\\
'''Erika''': I think someone needs to mind their own business.\\
'''Yukari''': ''(chastened)'' I'm sorry.
** In the ''Little Army'' manga, when Miho asks her mother if [[spoiler:it was necessary for Maho to shoot the enemy's flag tank when it went to rescue one of her team's tanks]], she gets this response.
--->'''Shiho''': What a foolish question. For one who carries the name of the Nishizumi family to say such a foolish thing... it's plainly embarrassing.
** Anchovy, after losing to Miho, accuses her of having thrown away victory in the last tournament. Miho responds by saying that there are more important things to her than victory. Anchovy begins to walk away but pauses to tell Miho that she thinks that the commander of a team has a responsibility to her subordinates to win, especially for Miho, who says she values her comrades. Anchovy [[JerkassHasApoint ends up being vindicated]] in the next round, in which [[spoiler:Miho learns that if she loses, she will be disinherited and her school will be shut down]].
* In ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'', BigBad [[spoiler: Miyo Takano]] shoots Keiichi point blank during his KirkSummation to shut him up. It's a bit [[GroundhogDayLoop complicated]] how only the identity of the villain is a spoiler.
* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'':
** When Jonathan, Zeppelli, and Speedwagon confront the vampire Dio in ''[[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventurePhantomBlood Phantom Blood]]'', Zeppeli notices Dio has healed his wounds from his previous fight with Jonathan and asks him how many lives he's "sucked away" to do so. Dio coolly asks Zeppeli if he remembers [[ButForMeItWasTuesday how many loaves of bread he's ever eaten]].
** In ''[[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureBattleTendency Battle Tendency]]'', Caesar Zeppelli swears revenge after Whamuu casually kills his friend [[TheAssimilator by walking into him]] while not even noticing him. The Pillarmen start laughing, remarking that this is hardly the first time someone swore revenge against them.
* In ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'', Chrono confronts [[spoiler:Admiral Graham and his familiars]] regarding their plan to deal with the Book of Darkness by sealing away its master for eternity, and says that because the master is innocent of any wrongdoing, it's illegal. [[spoiler:Lotte]] then launches into a tirade about how following the law only led to many victims being created, among them Chrono's father, although [[spoiler:Graham]], [[EvenEvilHasStandards apparently not caring for her doing so]], silences her.
* ''Manga/MuhyoAndRoji'':
** At the end of the Arcanum arc, Biko angrily blames her former friend Enchu for [[spoiler:her teacher Rio]]'s FaceHeelTurn, but Enchu [[AffablyEvil calmly and politely]] tells her that [[spoiler:Rio]] chose to betray the Association, which was responsible for her mother's death, out of her own free will.
** During the following arc, Goryo tells Roji that while Muhyo is superior to Goryo, Roji is holding him back. Roji insists that he's trying to help Muhyo despite his shortcomings, but Goryo thrusts his fan into Roji's face and tells him that he doesn't get it- that his inability to work well with Muhyo will be their downfall.
** After Page angrily tells Enchu that Yoichi, whom he had looked at dismissively, had gone to great lengths to bring Enchu back, and implies that he himself feels somewhat responsible, Enchu responds by saying "You talk too much, as always."
* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'':
** In ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'', a pissed-off Cyrus tells Dia that a stupid kid could never understand the concepts of time and space. Dia responds with a small but heartfelt speech about what time and space mean to him. Cyrus doesn't like Dia's answer (not to mention pissed that Dialga and Palkia seem to like the kid's answer over his), so he smacks the boy across the face with the Red Chain.
** From ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'', Pikachu tries to convince Mewtwo that Ash views him (Pikachu) as a friend, not a slave. Mewtwo is not convinced and hurls him against Ash.
* ''Manga/RurouniKenshin''. Kenshin's always being mocked for being a TechnicalPacifist, but the hardest burn comes from Saitou, who visited Kenshin's home while he was out and waited for him to come back, all to point out that he could have slaughtered everyone there if he felt like it and Kenshin wouldn't have been able to stop him.
** In the Jinchu Arc, [[TheDragon Gein]] invokes this against Kenshin regarding his ability to build battlesuits from corpses.
--->'''Kenshin''': As you say, it is a very advanced kind of technology. [[YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood You ought to use that technology for the good of the people]].\\
'''Gein''': I hear that a lot. But would a master swordsmith make razors? Would a superior castle architect build tenements? The forefront of technology is ''always'' in battle.
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