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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Mostly averted for Henry VII considering the positive portrayal of Richard III in the previous series. While not a saint and at first despised by Lizzie, she comes to see Henry as a decent man and comes to love him. But the big moment of this is the decision to have Henry VII take Cathy Gordon as his mistress, something wholly untrue in history. Henry VII unlike his infamous son was astonishingly loyal to Elizabeth as he took no mistress and held a period of mourning for Elizabeth when she died in childbirth. When Henry's advisors tried to convince him to re-marry, he was uninterested. When he finally relented, his demands made it clear that he wanted a replacement Elizabeth.
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Mostly averted for Author of the book this show is based on isn't the biggest fan of Tudors and it shows.
** Henry VII actually doesn't come of that badly, with two major exceptions - rape of Elizabeth of York, and his affair with Catherine Gordon. The former is done under the flimsy excuse of "Yorks proving their daughter is fertile", and mostly is there to explain why their first son Arthur was born eight months after wedding (premature birth or consensual sex are apparently out of question for some reason). The latter is pretty jarring consideringthe positive portrayal of Richard III in the previous series. While not a saint and at first despised by Lizzie, she comes to see Henry as a decent man and comes to love him. But the big moment of this is the decision to have Henry VII take Cathy Gordon as his mistress, something wholly untrue in history. Henry VII unlike his infamous son was astonishingly loyal to Elizabeth as he took no mistress and held a period of mourning for Elizabeth when she died in childbirth. When historical Henry's advisors tried to convince him to re-marry, he lack of interest in extramarital affairs, least of all with the former wife of his enemy and a friend of his wife (yes, Elizabeth and Catherine Gordon were actually friends). In fact, the marriage of Henry and Elizabeth was uninterested. When he finally relented, by all accounts happy and remarkably peaceful.
** Poor Margaret Beaufort gets the worst of it. She was undoubtedly ambitious - she supported her son in hisdemands made it clear that efforts to gain the throne and after he wanted became king, she demanded to be treated as a replacement Elizabeth.queen, pushing Elizabeth of York to the wayside. However, other than that, she is mostly remembered as a kind, pious and intelligent woman who used her considerable influence on the court for good. She supported artists and academics, and when Cecily of York married a commoner against the will of her son, she spoke in her favor to Henry. Definitely a far cry from crazy, shrewish religious fanatic and effectively a villain of the story this show portrays her as...
** Henry VII actually doesn't come of that badly, with two major exceptions - rape of Elizabeth of York, and his affair with Catherine Gordon. The former is done under the flimsy excuse of "Yorks proving their daughter is fertile", and mostly is there to explain why their first son Arthur was born eight months after wedding (premature birth or consensual sex are apparently out of question for some reason). The latter is pretty jarring considering
** Poor Margaret Beaufort gets the worst of it. She was undoubtedly ambitious - she supported her son in his
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* HuntingAccident: Ultimately subverted; when Henry insists on forcing Richard to come on a hunt as a servant, Lizzie and Maggie are convinced he's done it for this. Although Henry and his mother try to take a few pot shots at Richard, they miss.
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* MamaBear: Lizzie cites this as the reason why she would never betray Henry for the Yorks, because it would mean putting Arthur at risk as well.
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* MamaBear: Lizzie cites this as the reason why she would never betray Henry for the Yorks, because it would mean putting Arthur at risk as well. [[spoiler: This is also, ultimately, the reason why she pushes Henry to have Teddy and Richard executed; as long as there is a York claimant still alive, their sons will never be safe]].
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* ManlyTears: Henry is clearly heartbroken by his [[CoolUncle uncle Jasper's]] death. [[spoiler: He also breaks down after telling Lizzie his mother killed the Princes in the Tower, and that one of their sons will die as a result of the curse Elizabeth Woodville put on their killer]].
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** Isabella and Ferdinand of Spain bluntly state they won't consider a betrothal between their daughter and Prince Arthur until ''all'' York claimants are dead, and refuse any attempt by Lizzie to negotiate a compromise.
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** [[spoiler: Richard also gives one to Lizzie after Teddy's execution and before his own, telling her she's a kinslayer and has no right to look away from the consequences of her actions]].
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* RuleOfThree: Three reasons get listed while arguing for a betrothal between Prince Arthur and Catherine of Aragon; Lizzie states that telling Arthur he's being betrothed to a beautiful Spanish princess might help take his mind off the fact a lord he liked has been executed for treason, Bishop Mortimer points out that the dowry would go a long way to refill their coffers and Henry concedes an alliance with the power of Spain might discourage other European rivals from acting against the Tudors.
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* ArmorPiercingSlap: A furious Lizzie gives Henry one of these after he [[MaritalRapeLicence forces her to have sex with him to ensure she can give him an heir]] and then [[PostRapeTaunt taunts her by claiming he imagined he was bedding her sister]] to make the task bearable.
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* ArmorPiercingSlap: A furious Lizzie gives Henry one of these after he [[MaritalRapeLicence [[MaritalRapeLicense forces her to have sex with him to ensure she can give him an heir]] and then [[PostRapeTaunt taunts her by claiming he imagined he was bedding her sister]] to make the task bearable.
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-->'''Lizzie''': Your mother did bid told you to ''rape'' me?!
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* AnnoyingArrows: Deeply subverted; at the battle of Stoke, Tudor archers lay waste to the York army fighting for Lambert Simnel before Henry's cavalry sweeps in to deal with the survivors.
* ArmorPiercingSlap: A furious Lizzie gives Henry one of these after he [[MaritalRapeLicence forces her to have sex with him to ensure she can give him an heir]] and then [[PostRapeTaunt taunts her by claiming he imagined he was bedding her sister]] to make the task bearable.
* ArmorPiercingSlap: A furious Lizzie gives Henry one of these after he [[MaritalRapeLicence forces her to have sex with him to ensure she can give him an heir]] and then [[PostRapeTaunt taunts her by claiming he imagined he was bedding her sister]] to make the task bearable.
* FrontlineGeneral: Zigzagged. Henry usually leads his troops into battle, and he tends to fight on the frontlines. He only doesn't do so at the battle of Stoke against the forces of the pretender Lambert Simnel, since Lizzie begs him not to, lest he's killed, leaving her a widow and their newborn son without a father.
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* MaritalRapeLicense: In the first episode, Henry VII extends this to ''pre''-marital. He forcibly impregnates his fiance to assure that she is fecund before he commits to making her queen.
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* MaritalRapeLicense: In the first episode, Henry VII extends this to ''pre''-marital. He forcibly impregnates his fiance fiancé to assure be assured that she is fecund fertile before he commits to making her queen.queen.
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-->'''Henry''': It isn't rape, we are to be married!
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* PetTheDog: [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry Despite them not being close]], Lizzie's sister Cecily comforts her and insists their mother is just being spiteful when it seems Elizabeth Woodville is [[spoiler: ill-wishing Arthur to clear the way for Richard's return]].
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* PetTheDog: [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry Despite them not being close]], Lizzie's sister Cecily comforts her and insists their mother is just being spiteful when it seems Elizabeth Woodville is [[spoiler: ill-wishing Arthur to clear the way for Richard's return]]. Both of them also display a BigSisterInstinct toward Maggie, who's nervous over her wedding.
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** Duchess Cecily Neville is somewhat disgusted by her daughter, the Duchess of Burgundy's willingness to risk the life of a peasant child (Lambert Simnel) in her vendetta against the Tudors.
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* LaserGuidedKarma: Sir Anthony Lovell, a York loyalist, tries to kill Henry VII while his guard is down. At the battle of Stoke, he's killed when a Tudor soldier [[InTheBack stabs him from behind]] while he's focused on another enemy.
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* MamaBear: Lizzie cites this as the reason why she would never betray Henry for the Yorks, because it would mean putting Arthur at risk as well.
-->'''Lizzie''': The birth of Arthur puts me on ''your'' side whether I like it or not because I will never act against him!
-->'''Lizzie''': The birth of Arthur puts me on ''your'' side whether I like it or not because I will never act against him!
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* PartingWordsRegret: Invoked: Henry urges Lizzie to go and reconcile with her dying mother, noting that he regrets never getting to speak to Jasper on the night he died.
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* AndThenWhat: Lizzie invokes this when [[spoiler: she visits her brother Richard in the Tower; after he tries to convince her that once he's restored to the throne, she and her sons will have nothing to fear, Lizzie shoots his argument down with several accurate points; her husband will never willingly give up the crown, and even if he could be persuaded, his mother and his loyalists would never allow it. Even if they managed to kill Henry on the battlefield, there would always be Tudor loyalists ever after trying to put Prince Arthur or Henry on the throne, and the CycleOfRevenge would carry on]].
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* AdultFear:
** Duchess Cecily Neville admits to Maggie she's afraid Richard, her last grandson, will die fighting in the same conflict that's already claimed his father, brother and uncles.
** Richard and Cathy Gordon have to face being separated from their infant son and [[spoiler: the very likely possibility he's been killed by Margaret Beaufort to get rid of another York claimant]].
** Richard Pole has to point out to Maggie that [[spoiler: her involvement in a plot to restore Richard to the throne could cost him and their son their lands, heads or both]].
** Henry and Elizabeth have to live with the prospect their actions and that of their mothers might have doomed their children to early graves.
** Duchess Cecily Neville admits to Maggie she's afraid Richard, her last grandson, will die fighting in the same conflict that's already claimed his father, brother and uncles.
** Richard and Cathy Gordon have to face being separated from their infant son and [[spoiler: the very likely possibility he's been killed by Margaret Beaufort to get rid of another York claimant]].
** Richard Pole has to point out to Maggie that [[spoiler: her involvement in a plot to restore Richard to the throne could cost him and their son their lands, heads or both]].
** Henry and Elizabeth have to live with the prospect their actions and that of their mothers might have doomed their children to early graves.
* BlatantLies: [[spoiler: After Richard and Teddy's execution, when Maggie brings up the matter of the curse and the fact Lizzie has doomed her own children, Lizzie insists there never was a curse in the first place, even repeating Margaret Beaufort's dismissal of "A widow and a virgin spitting oaths at their enemies because words are all they have left is not a curse". Maggie calls Lizzie on it, bluntly stating the latter is lying to sooth her conscience]].
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* EveryoneHasStandards: Jasper Tudor is appalled when he learns Margaret Beaufort [[spoiler: orchaestrated the murder of the Princes in the Tower]].
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* EveryoneHasStandards: Jasper Tudor is appalled when he learns Margaret Beaufort [[spoiler: orchaestrated orchestrated the murder of the Princes in the Tower]].
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: [[spoiler: Henry feels this way during the final episode; having learned that Richard III was innocent of the murder of the Princes in the Tower and that his mother was guilty, Henry is appalled that he led a rebellion against an anointed king, that he gleefully took part in the CruelAndUnusualDeath inflicted upon Richard and that his entire rule is based on a lie]].
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* NoHoldsBarredBeatdown:
** Convinced that [[spoiler: Richard is trying to poison him, Henry attacks him in a fit of rage and orders his guards to beat Richard, before joining in. They only refrain from killing him because [[PleaseSpareHimMyLiege Lizzie begs them to stop]].]]
** Henry later tells Lizzie that this was the fate of Richard III at Bosworth, that he egged his men on in [[ExtremeMeleeRevenge tearing Richard to pieces]] and that despite their best efforts, [[FateWorseThanDeath Richard was still alive when they dumped and buried him in a shallow grave]].
** Convinced that [[spoiler: Richard is trying to poison him, Henry attacks him in a fit of rage and orders his guards to beat Richard, before joining in. They only refrain from killing him because [[PleaseSpareHimMyLiege Lizzie begs them to stop]].]]
** Henry later tells Lizzie that this was the fate of Richard III at Bosworth, that he egged his men on in [[ExtremeMeleeRevenge tearing Richard to pieces]] and that despite their best efforts, [[FateWorseThanDeath Richard was still alive when they dumped and buried him in a shallow grave]].
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Margaret Beaufort, who has been dignified and disdainful towards Lizzie throughout the season, [[spoiler: runs over and all but begs her to tell Henry, [[HeroicBSOD who is losing his mind out of fear of the curse]], that it isn't real]].
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* PetTheDog: [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry Despite them not being close]], Lizzie's sister Cecily comforts her and insists their mother is just being spiteful when it seems Elizabeth Woodville is [[spoiler: ill-wishing Arthur to clear the way for Richard's return]].
* PleaseSpareHimMyLiege: Lizzie tells Maggie [[spoiler: the only reason she's not being executed for plotting with the Duchess of Burgundy to free Richard and Teddy is because her husband begged the king and queen to spare her]]. She also uses this [[spoiler: to stop Henry and his guards from beating Richard to death in a fit of anger]].
* PleaseSpareHimMyLiege: Lizzie tells Maggie [[spoiler: the only reason she's not being executed for plotting with the Duchess of Burgundy to free Richard and Teddy is because her husband begged the king and queen to spare her]]. She also uses this [[spoiler: to stop Henry and his guards from beating Richard to death in a fit of anger]].
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* ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem: Henry has his reign dated from one day before the Battle of Bosworth; that way he can brand anyone who fought for King Richard a traitor and justify confiscating their lands.
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* WeUsedToBeFriends: Lizzie and Maggie were once extremely close as cousins, but Lizzie's marriage to Henry and her growing ruthlessness to protect her family drive them apart.
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[spoiler: Prince Richard and Cathy Gordon's son Edward is taken from them when she is tricked into coming to court. Margaret Beaufort insists he will be brought up by a London family as a guarantee to his parents' good behaviour, but the boy is never seen again. Everyone pretty much takes it as written Margaret had the boy killed to eliminate the threat of another York prince]].
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[spoiler: Prince Richard and Cathy Gordon's son Edward is taken from them when she is tricked into coming to court. Margaret Beaufort insists he will be brought up by a London family as a guarantee to his parents' good behaviour, but the boy is never seen again. Everyone pretty much takes it as written Margaret had the boy killed to eliminate the threat of another York prince]].
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** Her own son gives her one [[spoiler: after realising she killed Prince Edward in the Tower and doomed his sons to the curse Elizabeth Woodville put on the murderer's line, all while throttling her in a furious rage]].
-->'''Henry VII''':[[spoiler: You've cursed my sons. You've damned them! YOU, their grandmother! You've put the mark of death on them. You are a butcher of innocents, you are a killer of children, and now, you have killed mine! [[YouMonster You're a monster]]. You should have left me in France. I wish to Christ I was still there now, away from your poison! ''(Henry throws his mother out of his chambers in front of the entire court)'' She does not come near me. She does not speak to me. She does not speak for me. Nobody listens to her! If you defy my orders, I'll have your heads myself!]]
-->'''Henry VII''':[[spoiler: You've cursed my sons. You've damned them! YOU, their grandmother! You've put the mark of death on them. You are a butcher of innocents, you are a killer of children, and now, you have killed mine! [[YouMonster You're a monster]]. You should have left me in France. I wish to Christ I was still there now, away from your poison! ''(Henry throws his mother out of his chambers in front of the entire court)'' She does not come near me. She does not speak to me. She does not speak for me. Nobody listens to her! If you defy my orders, I'll have your heads myself!]]
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* EveryoneHasStandards: Jasper Tudor is appalled when he learns Margaret Beaufort [[spoiler: orchaestrated the murder of the Princes in the Tower]].
-->'''Margaret Beaufort''': [[spoiler: They were Yorks!]]
-->'''Jasper Tudor''': [[spoiler: They were CHILDREN!]]
-->'''Margaret Beaufort''': [[spoiler: They were Yorks!]]
-->'''Jasper Tudor''': [[spoiler: They were CHILDREN!]]
* ManlyTears: Henry is clearly heartbroken by his [[CoolUncle uncle Jasper's]] death.
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** Jasper uses his last words to give Margaret Beaufort one of these, after learning [[spoiler: she orchestrated the murder of the Princes in the Tower to clear the way for Henry]].
-->'''Jasper Tudor''': ''[dying, talking to Margaret]'' I've never loved anyone else. But this...did I love you without ever knowing [[YouMonster who you truly were]]?
** Elizabeth Woodville also gives her one before she is escorted out of court.
-->'''Elizabeth Woodville''': ''[to Margaret]'' I do not fear death. I have done my duty to God and when my time comes, he will reunite me with my dead. But there is fear in your eyes. What will you say to God when you see him? How will you explain all that blood on your hands?
** Jasper uses his last words to give Margaret Beaufort one of these, after learning [[spoiler: she orchestrated the murder of the Princes in the Tower to clear the way for Henry]].
-->'''Jasper Tudor''': ''[dying, talking to Margaret]'' I've never loved anyone else. But this...did I love you without ever knowing [[YouMonster who you truly were]]?
** Elizabeth Woodville also gives her one before she is escorted out of court.
-->'''Elizabeth Woodville''': ''[to Margaret]'' I do not fear death. I have done my duty to God and when my time comes, he will reunite me with my dead. But there is fear in your eyes. What will you say to God when you see him? How will you explain all that blood on your hands?
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* StrangeMindsThinkAlike: After the Duchess of Burgundy proclaims her nephew Richard as Duke of York, Lizzie suggests to Henry they counter it by making a grand show of naming their younger son Henry to the title. She promptly double-takes when Margaret Beaufort agrees with her.
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* EscalatingWar: After finally winning the crown, Henry's first act is to repeal the Duchess of Burgundy's trading rights in England, in retaliation for their support to Richard III and their previous attempts to capture or kill him. In response, Duchess Margaret starts carrying out pirate attacks on English merchant ships.
* ScrewPolitenessImASenior: Lady Cecily Neville, Lizzie's paternal grandmother, definitely subscribes to this, particularly in the presence of Henry Tudor and his faction.
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* SuddenlyShouting: When Henry VII learns that many former York loyalists are coming out in support of Edward, Earl of Warwick...
-->'''Margaret Beaufort''': They want that ''idiot boy'' king over Henry?!
-->'''Margaret Beaufort''': They want that ''idiot boy'' king over Henry?!
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* BadBadActing: When Bishop Mortimer refuses to obey her orders to distribute coin from the royal treasury as alms to the sick during the sweating sickness outbreak in London, Lizzie threatens to give birth on the spot. When the Bishop calls her bluff, Lizzie starts making hilariously over the top sounds of going into labour.
* BaitAndSwitch: After an outbreak of the sweating sickness in London, Lizzie orders the treasury guards to kick the door down so the money can be distributed as alms to the sick. Bishop Mortimer orders them to stop and another guard pushes the two men away...then promptly hacks the padlock off the door with an axe.
** On the road back to London after the disastrous progress to York, while riding through a village, peasants stream out of their houses and block the road for Henry's procession. Fearing an ambush, the guards draw their swords...only for the crowd to fall to their knees and give thanks to the king for the money and alms Lizzie distributed in his name.
* BetterLivingThroughEvil: Lizzie's sister Cecily becomes a supporter of Margaret Beaufort because the latter treats her more kindly than their mother.
* BaitAndSwitch: After an outbreak of the sweating sickness in London, Lizzie orders the treasury guards to kick the door down so the money can be distributed as alms to the sick. Bishop Mortimer orders them to stop and another guard pushes the two men away...then promptly hacks the padlock off the door with an axe.
** On the road back to London after the disastrous progress to York, while riding through a village, peasants stream out of their houses and block the road for Henry's procession. Fearing an ambush, the guards draw their swords...only for the crowd to fall to their knees and give thanks to the king for the money and alms Lizzie distributed in his name.
* BetterLivingThroughEvil: Lizzie's sister Cecily becomes a supporter of Margaret Beaufort because the latter treats her more kindly than their mother.
* DesecratingTheDead: It's treated as a GoryDiscretionShot, but the show opens with shots of Richard III being killed and his corpse [[ShamefulStrip stripped]] and dumped in the mud at Bosworth Field.
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Mostly averted for Henry VII considering the positive portrayal of Richard III in the previous series. While not a saint and at first despised by Lizzie, she comes to see Henry as a decent man and comes to love him. But the big moment of this is the decision to have Henry VII take Cathy Gordon as his mistress, something wholly untrue in history. Henry VII unlike his infamous son was astonishingly loyal to Elizabeth as he took no mistress, held a period of mourning for Elizabeth when she died in childbirth. When Henry's advisors tried to convince him to re-marry he was uninterested. When he finally relented his demands made it clear that he wanted a replacement Elizabeth.
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Mostly averted for Henry VII considering the positive portrayal of Richard III in the previous series. While not a saint and at first despised by Lizzie, she comes to see Henry as a decent man and comes to love him. But the big moment of this is the decision to have Henry VII take Cathy Gordon as his mistress, something wholly untrue in history. Henry VII unlike his infamous son was astonishingly loyal to Elizabeth as he took no mistress, mistress and held a period of mourning for Elizabeth when she died in childbirth. When Henry's advisors tried to convince him to re-marry re-marry, he was uninterested. When he finally relented relented, his demands made it clear that he wanted a replacement Elizabeth.
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* [[YouAreNotMyFather You Are Not My Mother]]: Said verbatim by Lizzie after Elizabeth ruins Prince Harry's enoblement by declaring that Prince Richard is alive and the true Duke of York.
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* NotSoDifferent: Maragert says this to Elizabeth at the end of the series in regard for how far both of them will go for their children's benefit. [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame She tells her to shut up.]]
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** Comes as an epiphany moment during an argument between Henry and Lizzie as Henry declares that he spent his life as a tool for his mother's ambitions. Lizzie sympathetically says that it was the same with her and her mother.
** Maragert says this to Elizabeth at the end of the series in regard for how far both of them will go for their children's benefit. [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame She tells her to shut up.]]
** Comes as an epiphany moment during an argument between Henry and Lizzie as Henry declares that he spent his life as a tool for his mother's ambitions. Lizzie sympathetically says that it was the same with her and her mother.
** Maragert says this to Elizabeth at the end of the series in regard for how far both of them will go for their children's benefit. [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame She tells her to shut up.]]
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* RedOniBlueOni: The well-behaved and obedient Arthur is the blue to the bratty Harry's red.
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** The first episode begins with a flashback to the Battle of Bosworth, which bears almost no resemblance to how it was depicted in '' 'Queen''.
** The first episode begins with a flashback to the Battle of Bosworth, which bears almost no resemblance to how it was depicted in '' 'Queen''.
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** An in-universe example occurs when Henry VII has his reign legally backdated to the 21st August 1985--the 1485--the day ''before'' the Battle of Bosworth--so that he was the king on the field and so Richard's supporters were the traitors.
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* AdaptationalVillainy: [[spoiler: In the book Elizabeth is horrified by Perkin and Teddy's death. In the series she is the one who orders their death.]]
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* FreudianTrio: Cecily as Id, Elizabeth as Ego and Maggie as Superego.
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In this series, the Wars of the Roses is effectively ended by the marriage of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York, which unites the houses of York and Lancaster... which wouldn't be a problem if not for the fact that said houses aren't exactly on good terms with each other, threatening to ruin both their marriage and the kingdom.
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In this series, the Wars of the Roses is effectively ended by the marriage of Henry VII (Jacob Collins-Levy) and Elizabeth of York, York (Creator/JodieComer), which unites the houses of York and Lancaster... which wouldn't be a problem if not for the fact that said houses aren't exactly on good terms with each other, threatening to ruin both their marriage and the kingdom.
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*** Richard III has different hair and body composition to Aneurin Barnard.
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*** Richard III has different hair and body composition to Aneurin Barnard.Creator/AneurinBarnard.
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* PostRapeTaunt: Strangely done by rapist and victim.
** "I barely noticed."
** "I thought about your sister, Cecily."
** "I barely noticed."
** "I thought about your sister, Cecily."
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* StarCrossedLovers: Jasper and Margaret are never able to be together due to the political circumstances they are in. Both instead settle on marriages arranged for them. [[spoiler: And she is eventually forced to kill him when he threatens to reveal to Henry that she had the York princes murdered.]]
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* StarCrossedLovers: StarCrossedLovers:
** Jasper and Margaret are never able to be together due to the political circumstances they are in. Both instead settle on marriages arranged for them. [[spoiler: And she is eventually forced to kill him when he threatens to reveal to Henry that she had the York princes murdered.]]]]
** Perkin Warbeck and Cathy Gordon. They clearly do love each other, but the fates are against them.
** Jasper and Margaret are never able to be together due to the political circumstances they are in. Both instead settle on marriages arranged for them. [[spoiler: And she is eventually forced to kill him when he threatens to reveal to Henry that she had the York princes murdered.
** Perkin Warbeck and Cathy Gordon. They clearly do love each other, but the fates are against them.
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* YoungFutureFamousPerson: Prince Harry, the future Henry VIII.
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* YoungFutureFamousPerson: YoungFutureFamousPeople: Prince Harry, the future Henry VIII.
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** Queens Elizabeth curse the male line of [[ExactWords whomever killed the York Princes]] to die out.
[[UsefulNotes/ElizabethI It does]]. Eventually.
[[UsefulNotes/ElizabethI It does]]. Eventually.
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* NotSoDifferent: Maragert says this to Elizabeth at the end of the series in regard for how far both of them will go for their children's benefit.
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* NotSoDifferent: Maragert says this to Elizabeth at the end of the series in regard for how far both of them will go for their children's benefit. [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame She tells her to shut up.]]
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** Queens Elizabeth curse the male line of [[ExactWords whomever killed the York Princes]] to die out. [[UsefulNotes/ElizabethI It does]]. Eventually.
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** Queens Elizabeth curse the male line of [[ExactWords whomever killed the York Princes]] to die out.
[[UsefulNotes/ElizabethI It does]].Eventually.Eventually.
** Hinting at Lizzie's FaceHeelTurn, she says to Henry that she will never let anyone get between the two of them and their children.
[[UsefulNotes/ElizabethI It does]].
** Hinting at Lizzie's FaceHeelTurn, she says to Henry that she will never let anyone get between the two of them and their children.
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* AwfulWeddedLife: At first for Lizzie and Henry to the point that Henry at one point asks Lizzie if she can promise that she won't try to kill him. She can't.
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* MaritalRapeLicence: In the first episode, Henry VII extends this to ''pre''-marital. He forcibly impregnates his fiance to assure that she is fecund before he commits to making her queen.
* MightMakesRight: [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] by Lizzy in the finale. She tells Henry that the right of kings is taken and held by force.
* MightMakesRight: [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] by Lizzy in the finale. She tells Henry that the right of kings is taken and held by force.
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* MaritalRapeLicence: MaritalRapeLicense: In the first episode, Henry VII extends this to ''pre''-marital. He forcibly impregnates his fiance to assure that she is fecund before he commits to making her queen.
* MightMakesRight: [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] by Lizzy in the finale. She tells Henry that the right of kings is taken and held by force. This means he can, nay ''must'', [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop kill her brother and cousin to secure his own power]].
* MightMakesRight: [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] by Lizzy in the finale. She tells Henry that the right of kings is taken and held by force. This means he can, nay ''must'', [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop kill her brother and cousin to secure his own power]].
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** An in-universe example occurs when Henry VII has his reign legally backdated to the 21st August 1985--the day ''before the Battle of Bosworth--so that he was the king on the field and so Richard's supporters were the traitors.
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** An in-universe example occurs when Henry VII has his reign legally backdated to the 21st August 1985--the day ''before ''before'' the Battle of Bosworth--so that he was the king on the field and so Richard's supporters were the traitors.
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* FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence: Ultimately, even when both Teddy and Richard are imprisoned, one made a slave and the other made impotent, their very existence still provides a rallying cry for Henry VII's enemies. At Lizzie's behest, he executes them both, as their continued living was in itself a threat.
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* ManChild: As a result of being locked in a single room through most of his formative years, Teddy has the same ideas, vocabulary, and likes as he was when he was eight years old.
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* HistoryRepeats: Henry makes note of the fact that once again, two York heirs, potential threats to the throne, are trapped in the same tower, in the same room, as was done one generation hence, as seen in the previous series. Margaret Beaufort's insistence for Henry Tudor to execute them this time tips him off on the truth as to what happened to the two York boys last time.
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** Lord Strange is this in a way. During the peace talks in Burgundy, he couldn't accept that the young Prince Phillip and Princess Margaret were constantly one upping him in their games. This caused their mother, Duchess Mary of Burgundy, to challenge him to a horse race out of pity (where he had an actual chance to win). This inadvertently led to her early death. When they returned to England, he shifts the blame to Jasper Tudor and the recently deceased Duchess.
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* SoreLoser: George Stanley, Lord Strange. His agitation at losing to young Prince Phillip and Princess Margaret of Burgundy was very obvious, despite the fact that they were children and have more experience with the games they've been playing.
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A British-American historical fiction miniseries that aired on Creator/{{Starz}} for eight episodes in 2017. It is based off of Philippa Gregory's 2013 novel of the same name, and is also a sequel to Creator/TheBBC's 2013 miniseries ''Series/TheWhiteQueen''.
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A British-American historical fiction miniseries that aired on Creator/{{Starz}} for eight episodes in 2017. It is based off of Philippa Gregory's Creator/{{Philippa Gregory}}'s 2013 novel of the same name, and is also a sequel to Creator/TheBBC's 2013 miniseries ''Series/TheWhiteQueen''.
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* FullCircleRevolution: Henry VII keeps two York boys, Edward & Richard, locked in the Tower of London and eventually has them quietly executed to eliminate rival claims to the throne - exactly the complaint he made of Richard III. His mother even [[LampshadedTrope lampshades]] this.
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** An in-universe example occurs when Henry VII has his reign legally backdated to the 21st August 1985 - the day ''before the Battle of Bosworth - so that he was the king on the field and so Richard's supporters were the traitors.
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** An in-universe example occurs when Henry VII has his reign legally backdated to the 21st August 1985 - the 1985--the day ''before the Battle of Bosworth - so Bosworth--so that he was the king on the field and so Richard's supporters were the traitors.
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** The story arc of Margaret Plantagenet - small, shy woman who eventually learns to stand up to the men around her - is much like that of her double-aunt Anne Neville.
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** The story arc of Margaret Plantagenet - small, Plantagenet--small, shy woman who eventually learns to stand up to the men around her - is her--is much like that of her double-aunt Anne Neville.
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