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* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: All the former Menudo members who appeared In the docuseries are featured in the epilogue. Just to mention a few: Ricky went into corporate law, and like Johnny (a regular in Univision "Despierta America", participated in the reunion; Ray became a filmmaker; Sergio got certified as a marine captain; Rawy is a senior pastor of an online church, and Cesar is a choreographer and dancer for the Metropolitan opera.
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* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: All the former Menudo members who appeared In the docuseries are featured in the epilogue. Just to mention a few: Ricky went into corporate law, and like Johnny (a regular in Univision "Despierta America", Creator/{{Univision}}'s ''Despierta America''), participated in the reunion; Ray became a filmmaker; Sergio got certified as a marine captain; Rawy is a senior pastor of an online church, and Cesar is a choreographer and dancer for the Metropolitan opera.
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* BilingualDialogue: The TalkingHead interviewees speak in English or subtitled Spanish. One of the former members switches back and forth within the same interview.
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* AdultsAreUseless: The boys's manager required their parents to sign away parental rights, effectively putting themselves on this position so that they could not act in the boys' best interests.
* AscendedFan: Many of the members were fans before they auditioned.
* AscendedFan: Many of the members were fans before they auditioned.
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* AdultsAreUseless: The boys's boys' manager required their parents to sign away parental rights, effectively putting themselves on this position so that they could not act in the boys' best interests.
* AscendedFan: Many of the members were fans before they auditioned.interests.
* AscendedFan: Many of the members were fans before they auditioned.
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%% * NotIfTheyEnjoyed: Edgardo Diaz denies the allegations of abuse, claiming that if the members were being mistreated, raped, beaten, etc. how were they singing, smiling, dancing, the next day.
* OlderThanTheyLook: Robby Rosa, 15 at the time, was introduced as being 13 when he joined the band.
* OlderThanTheyLook: Robby Rosa, 15 at the time, was introduced as being 13 when he joined the band.
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* OlderThanTheyLook: Robby
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* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: All the former Menudo members who appeared In the docuseries are featured in the epilogue. Just to mention a few: Ricky went into corporate law, and like Johnny (a regular in Univision "Desperate "Despierta America", participated in the reunion; Ray became a filmmaker; Sergio got certified as a marine captain; Rawy is a senior pastor of an online church, and Cesar is a choreographer and dancer for the Metropolitan opera.
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* BlamingTheVictim: Former member Ralphy Rodriguez, who went public in the 90s with his experiences of being abused, was accused of being an ingrate, trying to seek financial gain.
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* BlamingTheVictim: Former member Ralphy Rodriguez, who went public in the 90s with his experiences of being abused, was accused of being an ingrate, trying to seek financial gain. Footage of his appearance on the Cristina Saralegui talk show had the host hinting that his allegations were about money.
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* CorruptionOfAMinor: According to the members, Diaz was constantly talking about anal sex and penises around them. Remember they were 12-16. He also allowed for an environment where they were constantly surrounded by adult males.
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* CorruptionOfAMinor: According to the members, Diaz was constantly talking about anal sex and penises around them. Remember they were 12-16. He also allowed for an environment where they were constantly surrounded by adult males. Other members spoke of having easy access to drugs, leading to two of them getting caught with drugs.
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* TalkingHeads: Aside the former members of Menudo, the document features experts in political science and sociology to explain the cultural and economic situation of Puerto Rico and the Puerto Rican community in the US, as well as the winner of the Chica Joven
de Menudo pageant.
de Menudo pageant.
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* TalkingHeads: Aside the former members of Menudo, the document features experts in political science and sociology to explain the cultural and economic situation of Puerto Rico and the Puerto Rican community in the US, as well as the winner of the Chica Joven
Joven de Menudo pageant.
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* TalkingHeads: Aside the former members of Menudo, the document features experts in political science and sociology to explain the cultural and economic situation of Puerto Rico, both in the island and in the
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* TalkingHeads: Aside the former members of Menudo, the document features experts in political science and sociology to explain the cultural and economic situation of Puerto Rico, both Rico and the Puerto Rican community in the island and in theUS, as well as the winner of the Chica Joven
de Menudo pageant.
de Menudo pageant.
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* CorruptionOfAMinor: According to the members, Diaz was constantly talking about anal sex and penises around them. Remember they were 12-16. He also allowed for an environment where they were constantly surrounded by adult males.
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* LaterInstallmentWeirdness: Shortly after the accusations came out and four members quit, Edgardo Diaz recruited four new members, three based out of Miami and one from Texas.
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* LaterInstallmentWeirdness: Shortly after the accusations came out and four members quit, Edgardo Diaz recruited four new members, three based out of Miami and one from Texas. Eventually, Menudo became MDO.
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* TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: By the late 1980s, there was very little supervision over the group members. Some were using drugs and having lots of sex. As in, security had to escort one girl out with another one waiting in the wings.
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* TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: By the late 1980s, there was very little supervision over the group members. Some were using drugs and having lots of sex. As in, security had to escort one girl out with another one waiting in the wings.wings.
* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: All the former Menudo members who appeared In the docuseries are featured in the epilogue. Just to mention a few: Ricky went into corporate law, and like Johnny (a regular in Univision "Desperate America", participated in the reunion; Ray became a filmmaker; Sergio got certified as a marine captain; Rawy is a senior pastor of an online church, and Cesar is a choreographer and dancer for the Metropolitan opera.
* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: All the former Menudo members who appeared In the docuseries are featured in the epilogue. Just to mention a few: Ricky went into corporate law, and like Johnny (a regular in Univision "Desperate America", participated in the reunion; Ray became a filmmaker; Sergio got certified as a marine captain; Rawy is a senior pastor of an online church, and Cesar is a choreographer and dancer for the Metropolitan opera.
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the trope is named Blaming The Victim.
* BlamingTheVictim: Former member Ralphy Rodriguez, who went public in the 90s with his experiences of being abused, was accused of being an ingrate, trying to seek financial gain.
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* TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: By the late 1980s, there was very little supervision over the group members. Some were using drugs and having lots of sex. As in, security had to escort one girl out with another one waiting in the wings.
* VictimShaming: Former member Ralphy Rodriguez, who went public in the 90s with his experiences of being abused, was accused of being an ingrate, trying to seek financial gain.
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* TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: By the late 1980s, there was very little supervision over the group members. Some were using drugs and having lots of sex. As in, security had to escort one girl out with another one waiting in the wings.
* VictimShaming: Former member Ralphy Rodriguez, who went public in the 90s with his experiences of being abused, was accused of being an ingrate, trying to seek financial gain.wings.
* VictimShaming: Former member Ralphy Rodriguez, who went public in the 90s with his experiences of being abused, was accused of being an ingrate, trying to seek financial gain.
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* LateInstallmentWeirdness: Shortly after the accusations came out and four members quit, Edgardo Diaz recruited four new members, three based out of Miami and one from Texas.
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* LateInstallmentWeirdness: LaterInstallmentWeirdness: Shortly after the accusations came out and four members quit, Edgardo Diaz recruited four new members, three based out of Miami and one from Texas.
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* HeKnowsTooMuch: Bolivar Arellano, a photojournalist who worked around the group saw many things that he found disturbing. Just when he was going to appear in the popular "Carmen Jovet Controversial" talk show, several attorneys showed up with an injunction to prevent him from making his allegations public. He later faced a lawsuit for difamation.
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* HeKnowsTooMuch: Bolivar Arellano, a photojournalist who worked around the group saw many things that he found disturbing. Just when he was going to appear in the popular "Carmen Jovet Controversial" talk show, several attorneys showed up with an injunction to prevent him from making his allegations public. He later faced a lawsuit for difamation.defamation and was found guilty.
%%%* HoistByHisOwnPetard: After whistleblower Bolivar Arellano was arrested for defamation, some former members came out in public and reported their own experience.
* LateInstallmentWeirdness: Shortly after the accusations came out and four members quit, Edgardo Diaz recruited four new members, three based out of Miami and one from Texas.
%%%* HoistByHisOwnPetard: After whistleblower Bolivar Arellano was arrested for defamation, some former members came out in public and reported their own experience.
* LateInstallmentWeirdness: Shortly after the accusations came out and four members quit, Edgardo Diaz recruited four new members, three based out of Miami and one from Texas.
%% * NotIfTheyEnjoyed: Edgardo Diaz denies the allegations of abuse, claiming that if the members were being mistreated, raped, beaten, etc. how were they singing, smiling, dancing, the next day.
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* TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: By the late 1980s, there was very little supervision over the group members. Some were using drugs and having lots of sex. As in, security had to escort one girl out with another one waiting in the wings.wings.
* VictimShaming: Former member Ralphy Rodriguez, who went public in the 90s with his experiences of being abused, was accused of being an ingrate, trying to seek financial gain.
* VictimShaming: Former member Ralphy Rodriguez, who went public in the 90s with his experiences of being abused, was accused of being an ingrate, trying to seek financial gain.
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* BilingualBonus: While the series is in English, many of the interviews are in Spanish. Some of the nuances and humor are lost in the subtitles.
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* HeKnowsTooMuch: A photojournalist who worked around the group saw many things that he found disturbing. Just when he was going to appear in the popular "Carmen Jovet Controversial" talk show, several attorneys showed up with an injunction to prevent him from making his allegations public.
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* HeKnowsTooMuch: A Bolivar Arellano, a photojournalist who worked around the group saw many things that he found disturbing. Just when he was going to appear in the popular "Carmen Jovet Controversial" talk show, several attorneys showed up with an injunction to prevent him from making his allegations public. He later faced a lawsuit for difamation.
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* SelfDeprecation: Each member played a role: Ricky was the funny one, Rene the [[LongHairedPrettyBoy long-haired heartthrob]], and Johnny was the one with the puppy-dog eyes. But how does he describe his function?:
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* SelfDeprecation: Each member played a role: Ricky Melendez was the funny one, Rene René Farrait the [[LongHairedPrettyBoy long-haired heartthrob]], and Johnny Lozada was the one with the puppy-dog eyes. But how does he describe his function?:
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* StockFootage: There is plenty of footage of Menudo's early beginnings playing local festivals.
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* StockFootage: There is plenty of footage of Menudo's early beginnings playing local festivals.festivals, screaming girls running on an airport tarmac to greet the group, crowds lining up for autograph... you name it.
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* ActionFigureJustification: Former member Johnny Lozada pulls out the two dolls issued in his likeness. He does not agree with the copy in the box calling them "dolls":
-->"No son ''dolls'', son ''action figures''!"
-->"No son ''dolls'', son ''action figures''!"
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* InsistentTerminology: Former member Johnny Lozada pulls out the two dolls issued in his likeness. Despite the copy in the box calling them "dolls":
-->"No son ''dolls'', son ''action figures''!"
* InsistentTerminology: Former member Johnny Lozada pulls out the two dolls issued in his likeness. Despite the copy in the box calling them "dolls":
-->"No son ''dolls'', son ''action figures''!"
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* HeKnowsTooMuch: A photojournalist who worked around the group saw many things that he found disturbing. Just when he was going to appear in the popular "Carmen Jovet Controversial", Controversial" talk show, several attorneys showed up with an injunction to prevent him from making his allegations public.
* InsistentTerminology: Former member Johnny Lozada pulls out the two dolls issued in his likeness. Despite the copy in the box calling them "dolls":
-->"No son ''dolls'', son ''action figures''!"public.
* InsistentTerminology: Former member Johnny Lozada pulls out the two dolls issued in his likeness. Despite the copy in the box calling them "dolls":
-->"No son ''dolls'', son ''action figures''!"
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* PlayingSick: Subverted. One member, Angelo, was accused of this when he complained of stomach pains before a concert. After performing, he started throwing up blood and needed an appendectomy.
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* PlayingSick: Subverted. One member, Angelo, was accused of this when he complained of stomach pains before a concert. After While performing, he started throwing ran backstage and threw up blood and later needed an appendectomy.
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[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/menudoforeveryoung.jpg]]
[[caption-width-right:350:[[NotAllowedToGrowUp Forever young]]]]
''Menudo: Forever Young'' is a four-part TVDocumentary about Music/{{Menudo}} available through Creator/HBOMax. In English and Spanish (with English subtitles), it consists primarily of interviews from former members, journalists, and others involved.
The documentary details the Puerto Rican BoyBand's development and legacy (breaking through foreign markets, increasing the visibility of the Puerto Rican community in the US, breaking stereotypes), as well as the harsh working conditions the boys were put through (long hours, having to perform while seriously ill, disruption to their education, being exposed to drugs) and allegations of abuse.
!!Tropes seen
* AdultsAreUseless: The boys's manager required their parents to sign away parental rights, effectively putting themselves on this position so that they could not act in the boys' best interests.
* AscendedFan: Many of the members were fans before they auditioned.
* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: The original lineup of Menudo consisted of two brothers from one family and three from another. Their wardrobe was Borsalino polo shirts and jeans instead of the more garish custom-made Lycra pieces that came in later.
* GenreShift: Around 1987, Menudo started changing their direction toward rock.
* GratuitousEnglish: Sometimes used for emphasis by Spanish-speaking interviewees. Justified given the influence of English in the Spanish spoken in Puerto Rico.
* InsistentTerminology: Former member Johnny Lozada pulls out the two dolls issued in his likeness. Despite the copy in the box calling them "dolls":
-->"No son ''dolls'', son ''action figures''!"
* MeanBoss: How Edgardo Diaz comes across from the former members' interviews, making them work long hours and subjecting them to verbal abuse.
* NotAllowedToGrowUp: Edgardo Diaz had previously been involved with a wildly popular singing group from Spain, La Pandilla. But as the preteens grew older, their voices and faces changed and the group dissolved. To avoid that happening with Menudo, Diaz decided that each member would be replaced as they hit 15 or went through a voice change. This would allow Menudo to last forever.
* OlderThanTheyLook: Robby Rosa, 15 at the time, was introduced as being 13 when he joined the band.
* PlayingSick: Subverted. One member, Angelo, was accused of this when he complained of stomach pains before a concert. After performing, he started throwing up blood and needed an appendectomy.
* ScrewTheWarWerePartying: The group performed in UsefulNotes/ElSalvador while the country was in the middle of [[UsefulNotes/TheSalvadoranCivilWar a civil war]]. Yet with everything going on, a ceasefire was invoked so that Menudo could perform.
* SelfDeprecation: Each member played a role: Ricky was the funny one, Rene the [[LongHairedPrettyBoy long-haired heartthrob]], and Johnny was the one with the puppy-dog eyes. But how does he describe his function?:
-->'''Johnny''': I was the one who carried the suitcases.
* StageMom: One father traveled with the group and would interfere with filming and rehearsals, clashing with Edgardo Diaz. Subverted in that he was acting as protector and caregiver, making sure they ate and took breaks.
* StockFootage: There is plenty of footage of Menudo's early beginnings playing local festivals.
* TheSvengali: Edgardo Diaz, the band founder and manager, controlled everything from their image to their music, forced them to perform while ill.
* TalkingHeads: Aside the former members of Menudo, the document features experts in political science and sociology to explain the cultural and economic situation of Puerto Rico, both in the island and in the
* TargetAudience: As Johnny Lozada states, at the time (mid to late 70s) Spanish-language music was aimed at young kids or at adults (Fania All-Stars, balladeers like Roberto Carlos and Camilo Sesto). There was no music geared for preteens and teens. That was the audience Menudo sought.
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: By the late 1980s, there was very little supervision over the group members. Some were using drugs and having lots of sex. As in, security had to escort one girl out with another one waiting in the wings.
[[caption-width-right:350:[[NotAllowedToGrowUp Forever young]]]]
''Menudo: Forever Young'' is a four-part TVDocumentary about Music/{{Menudo}} available through Creator/HBOMax. In English and Spanish (with English subtitles), it consists primarily of interviews from former members, journalists, and others involved.
The documentary details the Puerto Rican BoyBand's development and legacy (breaking through foreign markets, increasing the visibility of the Puerto Rican community in the US, breaking stereotypes), as well as the harsh working conditions the boys were put through (long hours, having to perform while seriously ill, disruption to their education, being exposed to drugs) and allegations of abuse.
!!Tropes seen
* AdultsAreUseless: The boys's manager required their parents to sign away parental rights, effectively putting themselves on this position so that they could not act in the boys' best interests.
* AscendedFan: Many of the members were fans before they auditioned.
* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: The original lineup of Menudo consisted of two brothers from one family and three from another. Their wardrobe was Borsalino polo shirts and jeans instead of the more garish custom-made Lycra pieces that came in later.
* GenreShift: Around 1987, Menudo started changing their direction toward rock.
* GratuitousEnglish: Sometimes used for emphasis by Spanish-speaking interviewees. Justified given the influence of English in the Spanish spoken in Puerto Rico.
* InsistentTerminology: Former member Johnny Lozada pulls out the two dolls issued in his likeness. Despite the copy in the box calling them "dolls":
-->"No son ''dolls'', son ''action figures''!"
* MeanBoss: How Edgardo Diaz comes across from the former members' interviews, making them work long hours and subjecting them to verbal abuse.
* NotAllowedToGrowUp: Edgardo Diaz had previously been involved with a wildly popular singing group from Spain, La Pandilla. But as the preteens grew older, their voices and faces changed and the group dissolved. To avoid that happening with Menudo, Diaz decided that each member would be replaced as they hit 15 or went through a voice change. This would allow Menudo to last forever.
* OlderThanTheyLook: Robby Rosa, 15 at the time, was introduced as being 13 when he joined the band.
* PlayingSick: Subverted. One member, Angelo, was accused of this when he complained of stomach pains before a concert. After performing, he started throwing up blood and needed an appendectomy.
* ScrewTheWarWerePartying: The group performed in UsefulNotes/ElSalvador while the country was in the middle of [[UsefulNotes/TheSalvadoranCivilWar a civil war]]. Yet with everything going on, a ceasefire was invoked so that Menudo could perform.
* SelfDeprecation: Each member played a role: Ricky was the funny one, Rene the [[LongHairedPrettyBoy long-haired heartthrob]], and Johnny was the one with the puppy-dog eyes. But how does he describe his function?:
-->'''Johnny''': I was the one who carried the suitcases.
* StageMom: One father traveled with the group and would interfere with filming and rehearsals, clashing with Edgardo Diaz. Subverted in that he was acting as protector and caregiver, making sure they ate and took breaks.
* StockFootage: There is plenty of footage of Menudo's early beginnings playing local festivals.
* TheSvengali: Edgardo Diaz, the band founder and manager, controlled everything from their image to their music, forced them to perform while ill.
* TalkingHeads: Aside the former members of Menudo, the document features experts in political science and sociology to explain the cultural and economic situation of Puerto Rico, both in the island and in the
* TargetAudience: As Johnny Lozada states, at the time (mid to late 70s) Spanish-language music was aimed at young kids or at adults (Fania All-Stars, balladeers like Roberto Carlos and Camilo Sesto). There was no music geared for preteens and teens. That was the audience Menudo sought.
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: By the late 1980s, there was very little supervision over the group members. Some were using drugs and having lots of sex. As in, security had to escort one girl out with another one waiting in the wings.
