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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Benji training Victor for the cafe job, when he accidentally [[ADateWithRosiePalms spills liquid all over his hands]].
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Benji training Victor for the cafe job, when he accidentally [[ADateWithRosiePalms spills liquid all over his hands]].hands.
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** Michael Cimmino as Victor and Anthony Keyvan as Rahim show off their singing chops in 2x09.
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** Michael Cimmino Cimino as Victor and Anthony Keyvan as Rahim show off their singing chops in 2x09.
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* LoveDodecahedron: As mentioned below, Season 2 alone has 4 love triangles[[note]]Though one of these involves the adult characters on the show and doesn't have any overlap with the teenage characters, for obvious reasons[[/note]]. Taking into account relationship dynamics from season 1 such as Victor/Mia/Andrew and Victor/Benji/Derek, and [[spoiler:Lake and Lucy getting together in Season 3]], and the show is rapidly heading towards one of these.
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* LoveDodecahedron: As mentioned below, Season 2 alone has 4 love triangles[[note]]Though one of these involves the adult characters on the show and doesn't have any overlap with the teenage characters, for obvious reasons[[/note]]. Taking into account relationship dynamics from season 1 such as Victor/Mia/Andrew and Victor/Benji/Derek, and [[spoiler:Lake and Lucy getting together together]] in Season 3]], 3, and the show is rapidly heading towards one of these.
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* PlatonicLifePartners: Felix and Victor are very close friends, and Michael Cimmino and Anthony Turpel have an amazing rapport with each other. It’s a refreshing depiction of friendship between gay and straight boys that avoids the IncompatibleOrientation trope that is often depicted in media. They’re just really good besties.
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* PlatonicLifePartners: Felix and Victor are very close friends, and Michael Cimmino Cimino and Anthony Turpel have an amazing rapport with each other. It’s a refreshing depiction of friendship between gay and straight boys that avoids the IncompatibleOrientation trope that is often depicted in media. They’re just really good besties.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The season 1 finale introduces Wendy, a girl who seems to share a lot of Felix's odd loves and who asks Felix to the Spring Fling after he broke up with Lake. The episode ends with Felix reconciling with Lake after Wendy gives him permission to go with her, and Wendy is never heard from again aside from a cameo in the second episode of season two.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The season 1 finale introduces Wendy, a girl who seems to share a lot of Felix's odd loves and who asks Felix to the Spring Fling after he broke up with Lake. The episode ends with Felix reconciling with Lake after Wendy gives him permission to go with her, and Wendy is never heard from again aside from a cameo in the second third episode of season two.
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** [[spoiler: It’s implied at the end of season 2 that Andrew was this for Lucy, who is shown to have a crush on Lake.]]
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** [[spoiler: It’s implied at the end of season 2 that left ambiguous whether Andrew was this for Lucy, Lucy in Season 2, who is shown to have a crush on Lake.later dates Lake in Season 3.]]
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* BookEnds: The show's first episode revolves around the Winter Carnival, as does the last one. The difference being that Victor is joined on the ferris wheel by [[spoiler: Benji, who he was too afraid to even ask in the series pilot]].
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* BookEnds: The show's first episode revolves around the Winter Carnival, as does the last one. The difference being that Victor is joined on the ferris wheel by [[spoiler: Benji, who he was too afraid to even ask in the series pilot]]. This is also a parallel to the ending of Love Simon, lampshaded twice in the first episode.
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** Simon corresponds with Victor through narration [[spoiler:and appears in the New York episode]].
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* TheCastShowOff: The show loves giving the cast a chance to sing, especially Michael Cimmino and George Sear.
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* TheCastShowOff: The show loves giving the cast a chance to sing, especially sing:
** Michael Cimmino as Victor and Anthony Keyvan as Rahim show off their singing chops in 2x09.
** GeorgeSear.Sear’s Benji is in a band and performs on several occasions throughout the show.
** Michael Cimmino as Victor and Anthony Keyvan as Rahim show off their singing chops in 2x09.
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** A subplot in Season 3 features [[spoiler:Lake]] struggling to come out to [[spoiler: her mother]].
** A minor subplot in Season 3 features another closeted gay kid, whom Victor tries to help but drives away.
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* HappilyEverAfter: [[spoiler: All of the show's major pairings end the show still together and in love; Victor/Benji, Felix/Pilar, Lake/Lucy, Mia/Andrew, and Armando/Isabel are even starting their own business. The show even has supporting characters Rahim and Nick find love with Connor and Liam, respectively.]]
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* HappilyEverAfter: [[spoiler: All Most of the show's major pairings end the show still together and in love; Victor/Benji, Felix/Pilar, Lake/Lucy, Mia/Andrew, and Armando/Isabel Armando/Isabel. The latter two are even starting their own business. The show even has supporting characters Rahim and Nick find love with Connor and Liam, respectively. The only exception is Felix/Pilar, whose relationship status is left more ambiguous after Felix admits that he doesn’t think he can be everything Pilar deserves.]]
** Averted further with Felix. He lives in the same building as Victor, [[spoiler:and in Season 2 and 3 it is pretty clear how close to the edge he and his mom are financially.]]
** Both [[spoiler:Lake and Felix]] express this to each other at the end of Season 3, when they finally get closure on their breakup and acknowledge that getting back together wouldn’t be the best thing for them.
** It is ambiguous as to whether [[spoiler:Felix]] was this for [[spoiler:Lake]].
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* LoveDodecahedron: As mentioned below, Season 2 alone has 4 love triangles[[note]]Though one of these involves the adult characters on the show and doesn't have any overlap with the teenage characters, for obvious reasons[[/note]]. Taking into account relationship dynamics from season 1 such as Mia/Andrew/Victor and Benji/Derek/Victor, and [[spoiler:hints of a potential relationship between Lake and Lucy]], and the show is rapidly heading towards one of these.
* LoveTriangle: Season 2 gives us a whopping ''four'' love triangles. This is intentionally done to highlight how couples often face the same issues, whether gay or straight, young or old.
** [[spoiler:Victor/Benji/Rahim]]
** [[spoiler:Felix/Lake/Pilar]]
** [[spoiler:Armando/Isabel/Shelby]]
** [[spoiler:Mia/Andrew/Lucy]]
* LoveTriangle: Season 2 gives us a whopping ''four'' love triangles. This is intentionally done to highlight how couples often face the same issues, whether gay or straight, young or old.
** [[spoiler:Victor/Benji/Rahim]]
** [[spoiler:Felix/Lake/Pilar]]
** [[spoiler:Armando/Isabel/Shelby]]
** [[spoiler:Mia/Andrew/Lucy]]
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* LoveDodecahedron: As mentioned below, Season 2 alone has 4 love triangles[[note]]Though one of these involves the adult characters on the show and doesn't have any overlap with the teenage characters, for obvious reasons[[/note]]. Taking into account relationship dynamics from season 1 such as Mia/Andrew/Victor Victor/Mia/Andrew and Benji/Derek/Victor, Victor/Benji/Derek, and [[spoiler:hints of a potential relationship between Lake [[spoiler:Lake and Lucy]], Lucy getting together in Season 3]], and the show is rapidly heading towards one of these.
** By the end of the series, every major teenage character is entangled in the relationship network, with the vast majority of characters having been the centre of love triangles at some point. Of the major characters, only Pilar, Rahim, Derek, and Lucy haven’t been the centre of a love triangle by the end of the series.
*LoveTriangle: LoveTriangle:
** Season 1 focusses mostly on the Victor/Benji/Derek love triangle, although the Victor/Mia/Andrew love triangle is also present.
** Season 2 gives us a whopping ''four'' love triangles. This is intentionally done to highlight how couples often face the same issues, whether gay or straight, young or old.
*** [[spoiler:Benji/Victor/Rahim]]
*** [[spoiler:Lake/Felix/Pilar]]
*** [[spoiler:Isabel/Armando/Shelby]]
*** [[spoiler:Mia/Andrew/Lucy]]
**[[spoiler:Victor/Benji/Rahim]]
** [[spoiler:Felix/Lake/Pilar]]
** [[spoiler:Armando/Isabel/Shelby]]
** [[spoiler:Mia/Andrew/Lucy]]Season 3 makes the relationship map messier still, reviving love triangles from the previous season and adding more besides:
*** [[spoiler:Benji/Victor/Rahim]] continues from the Season 2 finale, with the first two also being involved in a [[spoiler:Benji/Victor/Nick]] triangle.
*** [[spoiler:Lake/Felix/Pilar]] comes back a couple of times in the season, with a new [[spoiler:Felix/Lake/Lucy]] triangle added to the dynamic.
** By the end of the series, every major teenage character is entangled in the relationship network, with the vast majority of characters having been the centre of love triangles at some point. Of the major characters, only Pilar, Rahim, Derek, and Lucy haven’t been the centre of a love triangle by the end of the series.
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** Season 1 focusses mostly on the Victor/Benji/Derek love triangle, although the Victor/Mia/Andrew love triangle is also present.
** Season 2 gives us a whopping ''four'' love triangles. This is intentionally done to highlight how couples often face the same issues, whether gay or straight, young or old.
*** [[spoiler:Benji/Victor/Rahim]]
*** [[spoiler:Lake/Felix/Pilar]]
*** [[spoiler:Isabel/Armando/Shelby]]
*** [[spoiler:Mia/Andrew/Lucy]]
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** [[spoiler:Felix/Lake/Pilar]]
** [[spoiler:Armando/Isabel/Shelby]]
** [[spoiler:Mia/Andrew/Lucy]]
*** [[spoiler:Benji/Victor/Rahim]] continues from the Season 2 finale, with the first two also being involved in a [[spoiler:Benji/Victor/Nick]] triangle.
*** [[spoiler:Lake/Felix/Pilar]] comes back a couple of times in the season, with a new [[spoiler:Felix/Lake/Lucy]] triangle added to the dynamic.
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* MentorInQueerness: Simon fills this role for Victor. In "Boy's Trip", Bram and the rest of his & Simon's friend group step in to help out as well. In season 2, Victor becomes this to Pilar’s friend, Rahim.
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* MentorInQueerness: Simon fills this role for Victor. In "Boy's Trip", Bram and the rest of his & Simon's friend group step in to help out as well. In season 2, Victor becomes this to Pilar’s friend, Rahim. In season 3, Victor tries to once again be this for another teen, but it doesn’t go as well.
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** This is furthered in Season 2 with the introduction of Rahim, a Muslim student who is more camp in the vein of Ethan, but whose story and struggles we get to see more of by comparison.
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** This is furthered in Season 2 with the introduction of Rahim, a an Iranian Muslim student who is more camp in the vein of Ethan, but whose story and struggles we get to see more of by comparison.
** In Season 2, Simon takes up the torch by being Rahim’s confidante. He tries this again in Season 3, [[spoiler:with less successful results.]]
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** Andrew’s girlfriend, Lucy, comes off this way at first [[spoiler: until the season 2 finale reveals that she was closeted the whole time and has an attraction to Lake]].
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** Andrew’s girlfriend, Lucy, comes off this way at first in most of Season 2. [[spoiler: until the season 2 finale reveals that She becomes a more focal character in Season 3 when she was closeted the whole time and has an attraction to starts dating Lake]].
** [[spoiler:Pilar pushes Felix to accept this, as she knows that her parents will be overprotective if they learn she’s dating him.]]
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* TheirFirstTime: The episode "Sex Cabin" features the two main couples (Benji/Victor and Lake/Felix) contemplating losing their virginities to each other.
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* TheirFirstTime: The episode "Sex Cabin" features the two main couples (Benji/Victor and Lake/Felix) contemplating losing their virginities to each other.having sex. Victor, Lake, and Felix are virgins, while Benji has had sex before.
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** Lake stops caring so much about popularity and status after dating Felix, and is quick to put aside her chance at a college party to help Felix with his family problems.
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** Lake stops caring so much about popularity and status after dating Felix, and is quick to put aside her chance at a college party to help Felix with his family problems. This continues with attempts to help Felix throughout Season 2, and [[spoiler:to help Lucy at the end of Season 3]].
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** We are introduced to Pilar’s friend Rahim in Season 2, who is gay and Muslim. He and Victor bond over the extra troubles that queer POC have to deal with.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The season 1 finale introduces Wendy, a girl who seems to share a lot of Felix's odd loves and who asks Felix to the Spring Fling after he broke up with Lake. The episode ends with Felix reconciling with Lake after Wendy gives him permission to go with her, and Wendy is never heard from again.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The season 1 finale introduces Wendy, a girl who seems to share a lot of Felix's odd loves and who asks Felix to the Spring Fling after he broke up with Lake. The episode ends with Felix reconciling with Lake after Wendy gives him permission to go with her, and Wendy is never heard from again.again aside from a cameo in the second episode of season two.
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* BittersweetSeventeen: Victor spends his sixteenth birthday party anxious about his growing feelings for Benji, trying to keep the peace between a fighting Isabel and Pilar, and his traditional grandparents expressing their homophobia when Benji brings his boyfriend to the party. Eventually, he calls out his grandpa for making Benji and Derek feel unwelcome.
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* BittersweetSeventeen: Bittersweet17: Victor spends his sixteenth birthday party anxious about his growing feelings for Benji, trying to keep the peace between a fighting Isabel and Pilar, and his traditional grandparents expressing their homophobia when Benji brings his boyfriend to the party. Eventually, he calls out his grandpa for making Benji and Derek feel unwelcome.
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* NiceGuy: Victor. He was described as nice, kind, funny and a overall good person.
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Victor Salazar (Creator/MichaelCimino) is a {{new transfer student}} at Creekwood High School, previously attended by Simon Spier (Creator/NickRobinson). When Victor starts questioning his place in the world (especially [[ComingOutStory regarding his sexuality]]) he reaches out to Simon for advice on how to figure things out, but soon realizes that his story isn't going to unfold the exact same way.
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Victor Salazar (Creator/MichaelCimino) (Michael Cimino) is a {{new transfer student}} at Creekwood High School, previously attended by Simon Spier (Creator/NickRobinson). When Victor starts questioning his place in the world (especially [[ComingOutStory regarding his sexuality]]) he reaches out to Simon for advice on how to figure things out, but soon realizes that his story isn't going to unfold the exact same way.
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* BookEnds: The show's first episode revolves around the Winter Carnival, as does the last one. The difference being that Victor is joined on the ferris wheel by [[spoiler: Benji, who he was too afraid to even ask in the series pilot]].
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** Discussed in the episode Gay Gay; Andrew unknowingly offends Victor when he calls him the “least gay gay guy ever” when trying to get him to come back to basketball. After not feeling “gay enough” for Benji’s queer friend group, Victor practically name drops the trope when he asks, “What level of gay will make everyone happy?”
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** Discussed in the episode Gay Gay; "Gay Gay"; Andrew unknowingly offends Victor when he calls him the “least gay gay guy ever” when trying to get him to come back to basketball. After not feeling “gay enough” for Benji’s queer friend group, Victor practically name drops the trope when he asks, “What level of gay will make everyone happy?”
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* HappilyEverAfter: [[spoiler: All of the show's major pairings end the show still together and in love; Victor/Benji, Felix/Pilar, Lake/Lucy, Mia/Andrew, and Armando/Isabel are even starting their own business. The show even has supporting characters Rahim and Nick find love with Connor and Liam, respectively.]]
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The season 1 finale introduces Wendy, a girl who seems to share a lot of Felix's odd loves and who asks Felix to the Spring Fling after he broke up with Lake. The episode ends with Felix reconciling with Lake after Wendy gives him permission to go with her, and Wendy is never heard from again.
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* AlmostKiss: Lake and Lucy have one when Lake panics and pulls away at the last minute, making Lucy think she's not interested in her. [[spoiler:She makes up for it the next morning.]]
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* TheCameo: Creator/{{Katya}} appears as herself in the New York episode.
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* TheCameo: Creator/{{Katya}} appears as herself in the season 1's New York episode.episode. Eureka makes a similar cameo in season 3.
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* NoBisexuals: Discussed. Victor isn't quite sure if he's gay or bisexual, he just knows he's not straight. [[spoiler: Jossed by season 2, in which Lake is attracted to Lucy after dating Felix. WordOfGod has stated that Lake will identify as bi in season 3.]]
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* NoBisexuals: Discussed. Victor isn't quite sure if he's gay or bisexual, he just knows he's not straight. [[spoiler: Jossed by season 2, in which where Lake is attracted shows attraction to Lucy after breaking up with Felix. The two start dating Felix. WordOfGod has stated that Lake will identify as bi in season 3.]]
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** After Simon became OutOfFocus during the second season compared to the first, season 2 ends with Victor telling Simon he needs to decide his own path at Creekwood and won't be contacting Simon as much, effectively writing him out of the show. Lampshaded by Felix during season 3.
--> '''Victor:''' I could be his Simon!
--> '''Felix:''' Oh yeah, Simon. Whatever happened to that guy?
--> '''Victor:''' I could be his Simon!
--> '''Felix:''' Oh yeah, Simon. Whatever happened to that guy?
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* TheUnReveal: [[spoiler:Season 2 ends with the {{Cliffhanger}} of Mia and Andrew driving off to meet Mia's mother. They meet her in the first episode of season 3, and after a few conversations where it becomes apparent that she's still not ready to act like a mother to Mia, the two are back in Creekwood by the end of the episode.]]
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* TheArtifact: The first season has Victor texting back and forth with Simon several times in each episode, used as narrative exposition for Victor's mindset similar to Simon's e-mails in the movie. These happen less and less frequently throughout season 2, and are dropped altogether at the end of season 2.
** Similarly, the show's status as a spin-off of ''Love Simon'' slowly becomes an artifact over time. Characters and events from the movie appear and are referenced throughout the first two seasons, but are all but gone in the third season.
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* FourLinesAllWaiting: The first season is very much Victor's story. Almost all scenes feature him, [[TwoLinesNoWaiting and most subplot scenes relate back to Victor in some way]]. The second and third seasons, in comparison, are much more of an ensemble piece, jumping around to the various happenings in the lives of each of the main characters. As such, almost all episodes in the last two seasons fall into this trope.
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The first season premiered on June 2020 during the U.S. LGBTQ+ Pride month, with each season premiering in June thereafter. The third and final season is set to premiere premiered on June 15, 2022, co-distributed by Hulu's sister network Creator/DisneyPlus.
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** Lake offhandedly mentions she would hook up with Mia if Victor won't. [[spoiler: The season two finale hints that she may be considering dating girls]].
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** Lake offhandedly mentions she would hook up with Mia if Victor won't. [[spoiler: The season two finale hints She eventually dates Lucy in Season 3, though she admits to both Mia and her mother that she may be considering dating girls]].isn’t sure if she is bi or lesbian]].
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* AdultFear: After Victor comes out, both Isabel and Armando are afraid of doing or saying something that would make Victor resent them and lose their relationship. Isabel especially lives with a lot of guilt for making Victor think she’d love him any less for being gay.
** Benji’s parents had to witness [[spoiler: their only son descend into alcoholism and nearly kill himself driving and didn’t even know what was wrong because he wasn’t out to them.]]
** Benji’s parents had to witness [[spoiler: their only son descend into alcoholism and nearly kill himself driving and didn’t even know what was wrong because he wasn’t out to them.]]
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** Natasha Rothwell's Ms. Albright returns, and has since been promoted to Vice Principal.
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Victor Salazar (Michael Cimino) is a {{new transfer student}} at Creekwood High School, previously attended by Simon Spier (Creator/NickRobinson). When Victor starts questioning his place in the world (especially [[ComingOutStory regarding his sexuality]]) he reaches out to Simon for advice on how to figure things out, but soon realizes that his story isn't going to unfold the exact same way.
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Victor Salazar (Michael Cimino) (Creator/MichaelCimino) is a {{new transfer student}} at Creekwood High School, previously attended by Simon Spier (Creator/NickRobinson). When Victor starts questioning his place in the world (especially [[ComingOutStory regarding his sexuality]]) he reaches out to Simon for advice on how to figure things out, but soon realizes that his story isn't going to unfold the exact same way.
* SexinessScore: In "Creekwood Nights", Lake is affronted when someone rates her a "6" online, and thinks she's at least a "low 9". She asks Felix to rate her and warns him not to give her a "10" because she won't believe it, but he simply refuses to do it.
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--> '''Victor:''' Why do I keep having life-changing moments outside of gay bars?
--> '''Isabel:''' Wait, how many gay bars have you been to?
--> '''Isabel:''' Wait, how many gay bars have you been to?
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'''Isabel:''' Wait, how many gay bars have you been
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The first season premiered on June 17, 2020, 2020 during the U.S. LGBTQ+ Pride month, with each season premiering in June thereafter. The third and a second final season premiered on June 11, 2021. A third season was announced on July 30, 2021.2022.
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** Benji’s parents had to witness [[spoiler: their only son descend into alcoholism and nearly kill himself in a drunk driving accident after they didn’t handle him coming out as well as they could’ve.]]
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** Benji’s parents had to witness [[spoiler: their only son descend into alcoholism and nearly kill himself in a drunk driving accident after they and didn’t handle him coming even know what was wrong because he wasn’t out as well as they could’ve.to them.]]
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** Later Averted, [[since Victor ends up having a great time and gets helpful advice from Bram and the roommates. He eventually meets Simon outside of the gay bar they go to.]]
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*MyGreatestFailure: By the end of season 2, Isabel [[spoiler: admits how guilty she feels for how she’s handled Victor coming out and his relationship with Benji. She flat out says she’ll never forgive herself for it.]]
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*JoblessParentDrama: Isabel wants to go back to work as a piano teacher to bring in more income, but Armando refuses out of fear that she’ll use this as an excuse to have another affair. This causes problems in the back half of season one.
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*HardTruthAesop: It sometimes takes parents a long time to really accept their queer kids, and even if they do love them very much, there’s going to be times when they make mistakes that can sour their relationship.
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** Seeing [[spoiler: Adrian]] accept Victor without a second thought makes Isabel realize that she has been horrible to Victor and Benji and needs to change.
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** Seeing [[spoiler: Adrian]] accept Victor without a second thought makes Isabel realize that how horrible she has been horrible to Victor and Benji and needs to put in more effort to change.
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* GoodAdulteryBadAdultery: Isabel cheating on Armando is much harder for the show and uninvolved characters to forgive than Victor cheating on Mia, since Victor was not attracted to Mia in the first place.
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* GoodAdulteryBadAdultery: Isabel cheating on Armando is much harder for the show and uninvolved characters to forgive than Victor cheating on Mia, since Victor was not attracted to Mia in the first place. Mia even acknowledges that, while it hurt to see Victor kiss Benji, it wouldn’t be fair for him to stay closeted for her sake.
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* AdultFear: After Victor comes out, both Isabel and Armando are afraid of doing or saying something that would make Victor resent them and lose their relationship.
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* AdultFear: After Victor comes out, both Isabel and Armando are afraid of doing or saying something that would make Victor resent them and lose their relationship. Isabel especially lives with a lot of guilt for making Victor think she’d love him any less for being gay.
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* GoodAdulteryBadAdultery: Isabel cheating on Armando is much harder for the show and uninvolved characters to forgive than Victor cheating on Mia, since Victor was not attracted to Mia in the first place.
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* ObliviousGuiltSlinging: In an attempt to psych Victor up to come out to Mia, Felix says "it's not like you cheated on her..." After which Victor reveals that he kissed Benji.
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* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: Mia is devastated when she sees Victor kiss Benji at the end of season one. After spending the summer away from Creekwood and taking some time for herself, she tells Victor that he deserves to be his true self, even if it does hurt to not be with him anymore. The two even trade platonic “I Love You"s as they mend their friendship.
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* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: Mia is devastated when she sees Victor kiss Benji at the end of season one. After spending the summer away from Creekwood and taking some time for herself, she tells Victor that he deserves to be his true self, even if it does hurt to not be with him anymore. The two even trade platonic “I Love You"s You’s” as they mend their friendship.
**Also, [[spoiler: him being upset at Victor for dancing with Rahim isn’t as sympathetic when Benji was the one who initiated the break and left Victor dateless to Harold’s wedding.]]
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** Mia’s dad is a very ambitious man who works very hard in a field that has disproportionately few black men. Clearly he’s doing this to provide a good life for Mia, but it comes at her expense when he constantly chooses the next advancement opportunity over being present in Mia’s life. Mia feels very neglected as a result
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** Mia’s dad is a very an ambitious man who works very hard in a field that has disproportionately few black men. men in leadership roles. Clearly he’s doing this to provide a good life for Mia, but it comes at her expense when he constantly chooses the next advancement opportunity over being present in Mia’s her life. Mia feels very neglected as a resultresult.
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* AmbiguousGenderIdentity: One of Simon and Bram's friends is gender nonconforming, which takes Victor by surprise.
* AnnoyingYoungerSibling: Averted by the Salazar’s. Victor played a big part in raising Pilar and Adrian, especially when their parents were having their issues, so they both have a lot of love and respect for their older brother. Isabel even says that Adrian “loves Victor more than anyone else in the world”.
* AnnoyingYoungerSibling: Averted by the Salazar’s. Victor played a big part in raising Pilar and Adrian, especially when their parents were having their issues, so they both have a lot of love and respect for their older brother. Isabel even says that Adrian “loves Victor more than anyone else in the world”.
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* AmbiguousGenderIdentity: One of Simon and Bram's friends is gender nonconforming, gender-nonconforming, which takes Victor by surprise.
* AnnoyingYoungerSibling: Averted by theSalazar’s.Salazars. Victor played a big part in raising Pilar and Adrian, especially when their parents were having their issues, so they both have a lot of love and respect for their older brother. Isabel even says that Adrian “loves Victor more than anyone else in the world”.
* AnnoyingYoungerSibling: Averted by the
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** Discussed in the episode Gay Gay; Andrew unknowingly offends Victor when he calls him the “least gay gay guy ever” when trying to get him to come back to basketball. After not feeling “gay enough” for Benji’s queer friend group, Victor practically name drops the trope when he ask “what level of gay will make everyone happy?”.
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** Discussed in the episode Gay Gay; Andrew unknowingly offends Victor when he calls him the “least gay gay guy ever” when trying to get him to come back to basketball. After not feeling “gay enough” for Benji’s queer friend group, Victor practically name drops the trope when he ask “what asks, “What level of gay will make everyone happy?”.happy?”
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* ClosetGay: Victor is in the closet at the beginning of the series, because of his religious parents. At the end of season 1, [[spoiler:he comes out to his best friend and his parents and sister.]]
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* ClosetGay: Victor is in the closet at the beginning of the series, series because of his religious parents. At the end of season 1, [[spoiler:he comes out to his best friend and his parents and sister.]]
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* ContinuityNod / IronicEcho: Victor has a dream where he kisses Benji on the ferris wheel like Simon and Bram did in the film, but unlike their positive reception, Victor's turns into a nightmare when the crowd starts booing at them.
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* ContinuityNod / IronicEcho: ContinuityNod[=/=]IronicEcho: Victor has a dream where he kisses Benji on the ferris wheel like Simon and Bram did in the film, but unlike their positive reception, Victor's turns into a nightmare when the crowd starts booing at them.
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** Lake [[spoiler: has a very strained relationship with her image conscious mother, and has body issues thanks to a childhood of her mother forcing her on diets and monthly weigh ins.]]
* DarkerAndEdgier: While still a relatively uplifting show, Season 2 explores more adult topics (such as sex, mental illness, and addiction)as Victor becomes more comfortable with being out of the closet. This is also a result of Disney+ no longer producing the series and handing it off to Hulu.
* DatingWhatDaddyHates: Mommy, in this case, as Isabel rebukes Benji’s attempts to win her over in Season 2.
* DarkerAndEdgier: While still a relatively uplifting show, Season 2 explores more adult topics (such as sex, mental illness, and addiction)as Victor becomes more comfortable with being out of the closet. This is also a result of Disney+ no longer producing the series and handing it off to Hulu.
* DatingWhatDaddyHates: Mommy, in this case, as Isabel rebukes Benji’s attempts to win her over in Season 2.
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** Lake [[spoiler: has a very strained relationship with her image conscious image-conscious mother, and has body issues thanks to a childhood of her mother forcing her on diets and monthly weigh ins.weigh-ins.]]
* DarkerAndEdgier: While still a relatively uplifting show, Season 2 explores more adult topics (such as sex, mental illness, andaddiction)as addiction) as Victor becomes more comfortable with being out of the closet. This is also a result of Disney+ no longer producing the series and handing it off to Hulu.
* DatingWhatDaddyHates: Mommy, in this case, as Isabelrebukes rebuffs Benji’s attempts to win her over in Season 2.
* DarkerAndEdgier: While still a relatively uplifting show, Season 2 explores more adult topics (such as sex, mental illness, and
* DatingWhatDaddyHates: Mommy, in this case, as Isabel
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** Season 2 shows Victor and Rahim eating Oyesters. After they both make the sucking sounds, they agree that “they don’t see the appeal”.
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** Season 2 shows Victor and Rahim eating Oyesters.oysters. After they both make the sucking sounds, they agree that “they don’t see the appeal”.
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** Averted with Isabel’s affair though. Both Pilar and Armando take a long while to forgive her, and while Victor does offer her grace relatively quickly, he does resent her eventual hypocrisy when she refuses to accept him being gay after everything she put the family through.
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** Averted with Isabel’s affair affair, though. Both Pilar and Armando take a long while to forgive her, and while Victor does offer her grace relatively quickly, he does resent her eventual hypocrisy when she refuses to accept him being gay after everything she put the family through.
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** Lake’s ItsAllAboutMe tendencies become more sympathetic when we see how she was raised by a narcissistic mother who would [[spoiler: body shame her daughter from a young age.]]
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** Lake’s ItsAllAboutMe tendencies become more sympathetic when we see how she was raised by a narcissistic mother who would [[spoiler: body shame body-shame her daughter from a young age.]]
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--> '''Adrian(after Pilar let’s him watch Film/{{Hustlers}})''':What’s a lap dance, and why are they expensive?
** [[spoiler: This is played seriously when he repeats a Pastor saying Victor will go to Hell, which is just the shock Isabel needs to realize how harmful her church’s teachings are to her family.]]
** [[spoiler: This is played seriously when he repeats a Pastor saying Victor will go to Hell, which is just the shock Isabel needs to realize how harmful her church’s teachings are to her family.]]
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** [[spoiler: This is played seriously when he repeats a
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** Discussed by one of Benji’s band mates in season 2, who calls Victor Benji’s “perfect straight jock fantasy”.
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** Discussed by one of Benji’s band mates bandmates in season 2, who calls Victor Benji’s “perfect straight jock fantasy”.
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* HereWeGoAgain: [[spoiler:Season 2 ends with Lake seeming to realize she likes girls, prompting yet another emotional ride ComingOutStory.]]
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* HereWeGoAgain: [[spoiler:Season 2 ends with Lake seeming to realize she likes girls, prompting setting the stage for yet another emotional ride ComingOutStory.]]
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* InformedAttribute: In the first episode, Mia is said to be an extremely popular student, to the extent that Victor catching her attention on his first day and riding the Ferris Wheel with her is notable. The rest of the series? She has one close friend, receives no male attention outside of Anthony, and spends much of her time at home alone, when she’s not with Victor or Lake.
* InformedPoverty: Downplayed. While it's clear that Victor's family isn't as well-off as Simon's, he acknowledges that they're not "Creekwood rich", implying they not exactly bereft either.
* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: Mia is devastated when she sees Victor kiss Benji at the end of season one. After spending the summer away from Creekwood and taking some time for herself, she tells Victor that he deserves to be his true self, even if it does hurt to not be with him anymore. The two even trade platonic “I Love You’s” as they mend their friendship.
* InformedPoverty: Downplayed. While it's clear that Victor's family isn't as well-off as Simon's, he acknowledges that they're not "Creekwood rich", implying they not exactly bereft either.
* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: Mia is devastated when she sees Victor kiss Benji at the end of season one. After spending the summer away from Creekwood and taking some time for herself, she tells Victor that he deserves to be his true self, even if it does hurt to not be with him anymore. The two even trade platonic “I Love You’s” as they mend their friendship.
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* InformedAttribute: In the first episode, Mia is said to be an extremely popular student, to the extent that Victor catching her attention on his first day and riding the Ferris Wheel wheel with her is notable. The rest of the series? She has one close friend, receives no male attention outside of Anthony, Andrew, and spends much of her time at home alone, when she’s not with Victor or Lake.
* InformedPoverty: Downplayed. While it's clear that Victor's family isn't as well-off as Simon's, he acknowledges that they're not "Creekwood rich", implying they not exactlybereft poor either.
* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: Mia is devastated when she sees Victor kiss Benji at the end of season one. After spending the summer away from Creekwood and taking some time for herself, she tells Victor that he deserves to be his true self, even if it does hurt to not be with him anymore. The two even trade platonic “I LoveYou’s” You"s as they mend their friendship.
* InformedPoverty: Downplayed. While it's clear that Victor's family isn't as well-off as Simon's, he acknowledges that they're not "Creekwood rich", implying they not exactly
* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: Mia is devastated when she sees Victor kiss Benji at the end of season one. After spending the summer away from Creekwood and taking some time for herself, she tells Victor that he deserves to be his true self, even if it does hurt to not be with him anymore. The two even trade platonic “I Love
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Pilar has a very bad attitude following the move, and disrespects Isabel at every turn after finding out about her affair. That being said, she is also a good friend to Felix and Rahim, and loves her brothers very much. When Victor finally comes out to the family, she is the first to hug him and tell him how much she loves him.
* JerkassRealization: After Felix calls out Andrew for his bullying, Andrew really takes a step back to check himself and try to be better.
* JerkassRealization: After Felix calls out Andrew for his bullying, Andrew really takes a step back to check himself and try to be better.
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Pilar has a very bad attitude following the move, and disrespects Isabel at every turn after finding out about her affair. That being said, she is also a good friend to Felix and Rahim, and loves her brothers very much. When Victor finally comes out to the family, she is the first to hug him and tell him how much she loves him.
* JerkassRealization: After Felix calls out Andrew for hisbullying, bullying and Mia makes a point about how being a good guy deep down doesn't matter if you're a jerk on the outside, Andrew really takes a step back to check himself and try to be better.
* JerkassRealization: After Felix calls out Andrew for his
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* MamaBear: For all her missteps, Isabel loves her children more than anything and always tries to do right by them. [[spoiler: This is especially prominent in season 2, where she tells off a homophobic priest for scaring Adrian into thinking Victor was going to hell for having a boyfriend.]]
** In a more tragic example [[spoiler: The reason Felix’s mom gets committed is that she has a manic episode and confronted Lake’s mom out of fear that she was trying to take Felix away from her.]]
** In a more tragic example [[spoiler: The reason Felix’s mom gets committed is that she has a manic episode and confronted Lake’s mom out of fear that she was trying to take Felix away from her.]]
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* MamaBear: For all her missteps, Isabel loves her children more than anything and always tries to do right by them. [[spoiler: This is especially prominent in season 2, where she tells off a homophobic priest for scaring Adrian into thinking Victor was going to hell Hell for having a boyfriend.]]
** In a more tragicexample example, [[spoiler: The the reason Felix’s mom gets committed is that she has a manic episode and confronted Lake’s mom out of fear that she was trying to take Felix away from her.]]
** In a more tragic
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* MidSeasonTwist:[[spoiler: Victor kisses Benji in the exact [[RuleOfSeven seventh]] episode after dating Mia for most of the first season, which marks the first major development in him exploring same-sex attraction]].
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* MidSeasonTwist:[[spoiler: Victor MidSeasonTwist: [[spoiler:Victor kisses Benji in the exact [[RuleOfSeven seventh]] episode after dating Mia for most of the first season, which marks the first major development in him exploring same-sex attraction]].
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* MoralGuardian: Season 2 introduces us to Father Lawrence, a priest at Isabel’s church who suggests that Victor can “come back to god” (I.e. be straight) if his family prays hard enough. [[spoiler: He goes too far when he scares Adrian into thinking that Victor is going to hell, resulting in Isabel pulling her family out of his congregation.]]
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* MoralGuardian: Season 2 introduces us to Father Lawrence, a priest at Isabel’s church who suggests that Victor can “come back to god” (I.God” (i.e. be straight) if his family prays hard enough. [[spoiler: He goes too far when he scares Adrian into thinking that Victor is going to hell, Hell, resulting in Isabel pulling her family out of his congregation.]]
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* NeverMyFault: Benji, while justified in his anger towards Isabel for her treatment of him throughout season 2, never seems to comprehend that any parent would [[spoiler: be upset walking in on their teenage kids having sex, regardless of orientation. This is furthered when he outs Victor to his little brother and doesn’t apologize when Victor calls him out on that.]]
* NoBisexuals: Discussed. Victor isn't quite sure if he's gay or bisexual, he just knows he's not straight. [[spoiler: Jossed by season 2, in which Lake is attracted to Lucy after dating Felix. WordOfGod has stated that Lake will identify as Bi in season 3.]]
* NoBisexuals: Discussed. Victor isn't quite sure if he's gay or bisexual, he just knows he's not straight. [[spoiler: Jossed by season 2, in which Lake is attracted to Lucy after dating Felix. WordOfGod has stated that Lake will identify as Bi in season 3.]]
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* NeverMyFault: Benji, while justified in his anger towards Isabel for her treatment of him throughout season 2, never seems to comprehend that any parent would [[spoiler: be upset walking in on their teenage kids kid having sex, regardless of orientation. This is furthered when he outs Victor to his little brother and doesn’t apologize when Victor calls him out on that.]]
* NoBisexuals: Discussed. Victor isn't quite sure if he's gay or bisexual, he just knows he's not straight. [[spoiler: Jossed by season 2, in which Lake is attracted to Lucy after dating Felix. WordOfGod has stated that Lake will identify asBi bi in season 3.]]
* NoBisexuals: Discussed. Victor isn't quite sure if he's gay or bisexual, he just knows he's not straight. [[spoiler: Jossed by season 2, in which Lake is attracted to Lucy after dating Felix. WordOfGod has stated that Lake will identify as
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--> ''' Armando:''' He’s my son, and it’s who he is. I have to accept it.
* ParentsAsPeople: While they love their children, Armando and Isabel are definitely not perfect and are dealing with their own marital issues throughout the show, exasperated when Isabel had an affair with Armando's boss before the events of the series. Armando assaulted his boss, leading to him getting fired and the family having to move to Georgia. They later separate [[spoiler:though as of the season two finale, it looks like they will reunite]]. This is furthered in season 2, in which Isabel’s reluctance to accept Victor’s sexuality as a result of her Catholic faith causes her to make some choices that unintentionally hurt her son in the process. Armando, on the flip side comes off a little too strong in his support, but he gets better after joining PFLAG.
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* ParentsAsPeople: While they love their children, Armando and Isabel are definitely not perfect and are dealing with their own marital issues throughout the show, exasperated when Isabel had an affair with Armando's boss before the events of the series. Armando assaulted his boss, leading to him getting fired and the family having to move to Georgia. They later separate [[spoiler:though as of the season two finale, it looks like they will reunite]]. This is furthered in season 2, in which Isabel’s reluctance to accept Victor’s sexuality as a result of her Catholic faith causes her to make some choices that unintentionally hurt her son in the process. Armando, on the flip
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** Mia’s dad is a very ambitious man who works very hard in a field that has a disproportionate amount of black men. Clearly he’s doing this to provide a good life for Mia, but it comes at her expense when he constantly chooses the next advancement opportunity over being present in Mia’s life. Mia feels very neglected as a result
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** Mia’s dad is a very ambitious man who works very hard in a field that has a disproportionate amount of disproportionately few black men. Clearly he’s doing this to provide a good life for Mia, but it comes at her expense when he constantly chooses the next advancement opportunity over being present in Mia’s life. Mia feels very neglected as a result
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* PromotionToParent: Felix is only sixteen, but has to be his mother’s caretaker when her Bipolar Disorder makes it too hard for her to function. He’s already having to worry about bills being paid and making sure his mom is fed and taking her medication before Lake finally intervenes.
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* PromotionToParent: Felix is only sixteen, but has to be his mother’s caretaker when her Bipolar Disorder bipolar disorder makes it too hard for her to function. He’s already having to worry about bills being paid and making sure his mom is fed and taking her medication before Lake finally intervenes.
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** Andrew’s girlfriend,Lucy, comes off this way at first [[spoiler: until the season 2 finale reveals that she was closeted the whole time and has an attraction to Lake]].
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** Andrew’s girlfriend,Lucy, girlfriend, Lucy, comes off this way at first [[spoiler: until the season 2 finale reveals that she was closeted the whole time and has an attraction to Lake]].
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* SequelSeries / {{Spinoff}}: Follows ''Film/LoveSimon'' chronologically, but features an entirely different cast aside a few returning cast members.
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* SequelSeries / {{Spinoff}}: SequelSeries[=/=]{{Spinoff}}: Follows ''Film/LoveSimon'' chronologically, but features an entirely different cast aside a few returning cast members.
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* StraightGay: Victor isn't outwardly flamboyant. He becomes self conscious about this label in season 2, worrying over not being “gay enough” for Benji’s more flamboyant friends while still dealing with being “too gay” for the basketball team and his mother.
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* StraightGay: Victor isn't outwardly flamboyant. He becomes self conscious self-conscious about this label in season 2, worrying over not being “gay enough” for Benji’s more flamboyant friends while still dealing with being “too gay” for the basketball team and his mother.
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* TheirFirstTime: The episode Sex Cabin features the two main couples (Benji/Victor and Lake/Felix) contemplating losing their virginities to each other.
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* TheirFirstTime: The episode Sex Cabin "Sex Cabin" features the two main couples (Benji/Victor and Lake/Felix) contemplating losing their virginities to each other.
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--> '''Pillar:''' Damn, Gay Victor’s got bigger balls than straight Victor.
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* TroubledTeen: Felix, Mia, and Benji are the straightest examples. Felix's mother is bipolar and deals with bouts of mania and depressive episodes as well as hoarding, leading Felix to deal with many of the household affairs including making sure rent is paid. Mia is emotionally neglected by her father and was abandoned by her mother and deals with feelings of loneliness. Benji was [[spoiler: an alcoholic, using alcohol to deal with his angst about being gay]]. Lake is a downplayed version of this, as she is relatively well-adjusted but has esteem issues due to her narcissistic mother.
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* TroubledTeen: Felix, Mia, and Benji are the straightest examples. Felix's mother is bipolar and deals with bouts of mania and depressive episodes as well as hoarding, leading Felix to deal with many of the household affairs including making sure rent is paid. Mia is emotionally neglected by her father and was abandoned by her mother and deals with feelings of loneliness. Benji was is [[spoiler: an alcoholic, using a recovering alcoholic who used alcohol to deal with his angst about being gay]]. Lake is a downplayed version of this, as she is relatively well-adjusted but has esteem self-esteem issues due to her narcissistic mother.
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* WeightWoe: Lake reveals to Felix that she has body issues [[spoiler:Stemming from her mom forcing her on diets and micromanaging her weight at a young age.]]
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* WeightWoe: Lake reveals to Felix that she has body issues [[spoiler:Stemming [[spoiler:stemming from her mom forcing her on diets and micromanaging her weight at a young age.]]
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** Played Straight when Benji [[spoiler:discovers that Victor told Rahim about Benji’s sobriety. This leads to them taking a break]].
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** Played Straight straight when Benji [[spoiler:discovers that Victor told Rahim about Benji’s sobriety. This leads to them taking a break]].
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--> '''Victor:''' Why do I keep having life changing moments outside of gay bars?
--> '''Isabel:'''Wait, how many gay bars have you been to?
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