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** The 1980 ''Literature/{{Star Trek|Novelverse}}'' novel ''The Galactic Whirlpool'' covers a similar plot as the episode.
** The episode is very similar to the ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode “[[Recap/StarTrekS3E8ForTheWorldIsHollowAndIHaveTouchedTheSky For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky]].”
** It is also very similar to the initial concept of ''Series/TheStarlost'', including the idea of a massive bioship heading for a disaster as its inhabitants go about their lives, many unaware they are actually on a ship and in danger.
** The episode is very similar to the ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode “[[Recap/StarTrekS3E8ForTheWorldIsHollowAndIHaveTouchedTheSky For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky]].”
** It is also very similar to the initial concept of ''Series/TheStarlost'', including the idea of a massive bioship heading for a disaster as its inhabitants go about their lives, many unaware they are actually on a ship and in danger.
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** The 1980 ''Literature/{{Star Trek|Novelverse}}'' novel ''The Galactic Whirlpool'' covers inhabitants of a similar plot as the episode.
** The episodegeneration ship who have forgotten their origins, or even that they're on a spacecraft, is very similar to a classic sci-fi plot. Examples include ''Literature/OrphansOfTheSky'', the ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode “[[Recap/StarTrekS3E8ForTheWorldIsHollowAndIHaveTouchedTheSky For [[Recap/StarTrekS3E8ForTheWorldIsHollowAndIHaveTouchedTheSky "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky]].”
** It is also very similar toSky"]] and the initial concept of ''Series/TheStarlost'', including the idea of a massive bioship heading for a disaster as its inhabitants go about their lives, many unaware they are actually on a ship and in danger.CutShort series ''Series/TheStarlost''.
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** The Emerson poem Dr. Finn quotes (from which the episode takes its title), inspired [[Literature/Nightfall1941 ''Nightfall'']], Isaac Asimov's first truly successful story.
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* YourMom: While Hamelac interrogates Kelly, she fires back with this insult.
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* YourMom: While Hamelac interrogates Kelly, she [[DefiantCaptive fires back back]] with this insult.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: Shares a general concept with Robert A. Heinlein's Orphans of the Sky.
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* BeautyIsNeverTarnished: Averted, at least at first, then played straight. Hamelac's goons beat the shit out of Kelly and torture her, and when the rescue team rescue her she's bruised, bloody and exhausted-looking, but she seems to recover fairly quickly from the ordeal, and suffers no permanent physical or psychological damage.
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* BeautyIsNeverTarnished: Averted, at least at first, then played straight. Hamelac's goons beat the shit out of Kelly Grayson and torture her, and when the rescue team rescue her she's bruised, bloody and exhausted-looking, but she seems to recover fairly quickly from the ordeal, and suffers no permanent physical or psychological damage.
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* BeautyIsNeverTarnished: Averted, at least at first, then played straight. Hamelac's goons beat the shit out of Kelly and torture her, and when the rescue team rescue her she's bruised, bloody and exhausted-looking, but she seems to recover fairly quickly from the ordeal, and suffers no permanent physical or psychological damage.
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* HiroshimaAsAUnitOfMeasure: When Isaac estimates the bio-ship at 790 km across, Kelly says that's about the size of UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity.
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* HiroshimaAsAUnitOfMeasure: When Isaac estimates that a cross-section of the bio-ship at has an area of 790 km across, square kilometres, Kelly says that's about the size of UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity.
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* MileLongShip: The bio-ship is roughly mindbogglingly large for the crew of the ''Orville'', with Isaac estimating a cross-section of the ship to be 790 square kilometers long.in area.
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[[caption-width-right:350:Mercer, Finn, and Isaac enjoying a nice stroll aboard the generational ship.]]
[[caption-width-right:350:Mercer, Finn, and Isaac enjoying a nice stroll aboard the generational ship.]]
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* WeHaveToGetTheBulletOut: Dr. Finn says this when Alara has been shot several times and is bleeding out. Unlike in the present day, this seems to make sense with 25th-century medicine; she uses a portable TractorBeam to pull the bullets back out with no trouble and then immediately repairs the damage.
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* WeHaveToGetTheBulletOut: Dr. Finn says this when Alara has been shot several times and is bleeding out. Unlike in the present day, this seems to make sense with 25th-century medicine; she uses a portable TractorBeam to pull the bullets back out with no trouble and then immediately repairs the damage. It also helps that Xelayans have greater resiliency than humans, increasing Alara's chances of survival.
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* MadeOfIron: Alara takes three bullets to the lung and holds on for however long it takes Mercer's group to reach her. Finn credits her species' resilience for her survival, as a human would have bled out.
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* MadeOfIron: MadeOfIron:
** Alara takes three bullets to the lung and holds on for however long it takes Mercer's group to reach her. Finn credits her species' resilience for her survival, as a human would have bled out.
** Alara takes three bullets to the lung and holds on for however long it takes Mercer's group to reach her. Finn credits her species' resilience for her survival, as a human would have bled out.
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* MoodWhiplash: In between light-hearted and occasionally humorous sequences there is actual jeopardy for the crew as Alara is shot and Kelly is abducted, and Kelly witnesses a man being rather graphically beaten to death by a mob.
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* MoodWhiplash: MoodWhiplash:
** In between light-hearted and occasionally humorous sequences there is actual jeopardy for the crew as Alara is shot and Kelly is abducted, and Kelly witnesses a man being rather graphically beaten to death by a mob.
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* SuperStrength: Isaac is stated to have this, with Alara admitting it's a toss up which of them is actually the strongest.
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* SuperStrength: SuperStrength:
** Isaac is stated to have this, with Alara admitting it's a toss up which of them is actually the strongest.
** Isaac is stated to have this, with Alara admitting it's a toss up which of them is actually the strongest.
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** The 1980 ''Franchise/{{Star Trek|Novelverse}}'' novel ''The Galactic Whirlpool'' covers a similar plot as the episode.
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** The 1980 ''Franchise/{{Star ''Literature/{{Star Trek|Novelverse}}'' novel ''The Galactic Whirlpool'' covers a similar plot as the episode.
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* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Played with, since they all do look up with some amount of surprise and wonder, but the passengers of a ship run by a theocratic government based on what they see being all that exists don't seem particularly disturbed when their world suddenly opens up to starry blackness for the first time in hundreds of years. From what they've been taught, the end times are upon them a la ''{{Literature/Nightfall}}''.
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* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Played with, since they all do look up with some amount of surprise and wonder, but the passengers of a ship run by a theocratic government based on what they see being all that exists don't seem particularly disturbed when their world suddenly opens up to starry blackness for the first time in hundreds of years. From what they've been taught, the end times are upon them [[ShoutOut a la ''{{Literature/Nightfall}}''.la]] "Literature/Nightfall1941".
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** The violent moment in which Alara is shot and Kelly pistol-whipped into unconsciousness and abducted occurs immediately after a Alara and Kelly make a comedic attempt at bluffing their way out of showing I.D.
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* OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions: A DownplayedTrope example. Isaac claims that omnipotent creator figures are ridiculous and gives a explanation for the universe (which is a paraphrasing of Creator/StephenHawking's recently challenged idea of how the universe was created). However, none of the other characters comment on Isaac's disbelief or judge the local's beliefs other than their government's dictatorship. Doctor Finn also quotes a religious poem by Emerson.
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* OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions: A DownplayedTrope example. Isaac claims that omnipotent creator figures are ridiculous and gives a nontheistic explanation for the universe (which is a paraphrasing of Creator/StephenHawking's recently challenged idea of how the universe was created). However, none of the other characters comment on Isaac's disbelief or judge the local's locals' beliefs other than their government's dictatorship. Doctor Finn also quotes a religious poem by Emerson.
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** Kelly gets knocked out and then beaten up quite severely, as well as injected with a torture drug, but more or less shrugs it off.
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** Kelly gets knocked out and then beaten up quite severely, as well as injected with a torture drug, but more or less shrugs it off.off even without Dr. Finn's medical tech.
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* OutOfOrder: This is the original second episode but was pushed back due to negative test audience reaction. This is clear from Yaphit's scene, where he first starts his flirtation with Dr. Finn despite it previously having gone on for a while. The opening scene with Bortus and Klyden was also clearly added later to make it fit in its new position, given the complete lack of follow-up. However, Alara references breaking up with a character introduced two episodes earlier.
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* OutOfOrder: This is the original second episode but was pushed back due to negative test audience reaction. This is clear from Yaphit's scene, where he first starts his flirtation with Dr. Finn despite it previously having gone on for a while. The opening scene with Bortus and Klyden was also clearly added later to make it fit in its new position, given the complete lack of follow-up. However, Alara references breaking up with a character introduced two episodes earlier.earlier, suggesting more surgery to the episode occurred before broadcast (further justifying the decision to air it later).
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* DarkerAndEdgier: This episode is rather unflinching in its portrayal of violence and it is all played straight, with Alara being shot in cold blood, a man being beaten to death by a crowd for his beliefs, and Kelly being tortured and in excruciating pain.
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** Kelly gets knocked out and then beaten up quite severely, as well as injected with a torture drug, but more or less shrugs it off.
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** Alara opens another "jar of pickles" for Ed. Later, she confides in Kelly that having superstrength is not conducive to having a love life.
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* ShipTease: Alara mentions that Mercer is the only guy who isn't intimidated by her SuperStrength.
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* DeadManWriting: Captain Doral's message for his crew, which the heroes discover upon gaining access to the bridge.
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The ''Orville'' encounters a massive generation ship which is adrift and on course for a star.
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The ''Orville'' encounters a massive generation ship which is adrift and on course for a star. When they board the ship in an attempt to offer aid to the inhabitants, they discover that no one aboard is aware that they are on a ship, and the local leadership is invested in keeping things that way.
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* GenerationShips: The bio-ship was intended to carry three generations of its people to the nearest habitable world. An ion storm disabled the engines and they were forced to live out their lives on it for 2,000 years.
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* GenerationShips: The bio-ship was intended to carry three generations of its people to the nearest habitable world.world, a journey of 100 years or so. An ion storm disabled the engines and they were forced to live out their lives on it for 2,000 years.
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* NeckLift: Alara does this to Hamelac, instantly convincing him to give them the antidote to the chemical causing Grayson's excrutiating pain.
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* OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions: A DownplayedTrope example as while Isaac claims that omnipotent creator figures are ridiculous and gives a explanation for the universe (which is a paraphrasing of Creator/StephenHawking's recently challenged idea of how the universe was created). However, none of the other characters comment on Isaac's disbelief or judge the local's beliefs other than their government's dictatorship. Doctor Finn also quotes a religious poem by Emerson.
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* RunningGag: Mercer comes across another door he can't open and asks Alara "to open this jar of pickles for me" again.
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** The 1980 ''Star Trek'' novel ''The Galactic Whirlpool'' covers a similar plot as the episode.
** The episode is very similar to the TOS episode “For The World is Hollow and I Have Touched The Sky”.
** During interrogation, Grayson claims her [[Series/{{Friends}} friends]] are on a couch in a coffee shop in Soho named Central Perk. The original show said it was in Greenwich Village, according to the ''Friends'' wiki, but there was a real life 20th anniversary pop-up version back in 2014 on Lafeyette Street in Soho, exactly where Kelly says it is.
** The episode is very similar to the TOS episode “For The World is Hollow and I Have Touched The Sky”.
** During interrogation, Grayson claims her [[Series/{{Friends}} friends]] are on a couch in a coffee shop in Soho named Central Perk. The original show said it was in Greenwich Village, according to the ''Friends'' wiki, but there was a real life 20th anniversary pop-up version back in 2014 on Lafeyette Street in Soho, exactly where Kelly says it is.
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** The 1980 ''Star Trek'' ''Franchise/{{Star Trek|Novelverse}}'' novel ''The Galactic Whirlpool'' covers a similar plot as the episode.
** The episode is very similar to theTOS ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode “For The “[[Recap/StarTrekS3E8ForTheWorldIsHollowAndIHaveTouchedTheSky For the World is Is Hollow and I Have Touched The Sky”.
the Sky]].”
** During interrogation, Grayson claims her[[Series/{{Friends}} friends]] Series/{{friends}} are on a couch in a coffee shop in Soho named Central Perk. The original show said it was in Greenwich Village, according to the ''Friends'' wiki, but there was a real life 20th anniversary pop-up version back in 2014 on Lafeyette Street in Soho, exactly where Kelly says it is.
** The episode is very similar to the
** During interrogation, Grayson claims her
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-->'''Mercer:''' He's only stunned. ''[suddenly looks concerned; to Isaac]'' You didn't kill him, right?\\
'''Isaac:''' Of course not.\\
'''Mercer:''' He's only stunned.
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'''Isaac:''' Of course not.\\
'''Mercer:''' He's only stunned.
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** During interrogation, Grayson claims her [[Series/{{Friends}} friends]] are on a couch in a coffee shop in Soho named Central Perk.
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* ArtificialOutdoorsDisplay: The heart of the colony ship is an enormous open area made to look like a fertile valley. The sky has a series of lights that illuminate it constantly, though there was supposed to be a night cycle as well. [[spoiler: Mercer eventually finds the way to open the main viewing port, causing the first night in thousands of years and showing the inhabitants exactly where they are]].
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* RabbleRouser: One of Hamelec's means of maintaining control. He stirs up a mob with rhetoric against the "heretics" then brings one out and lets the crowd beat him to death.
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* SuperStrength: Issac is stated to have this, with Alara admitting it's a toss up which of them is actually the strongest.
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* ClarkesThirdLaw: When Dr. Finn extracts the bullets from Alara and then heals her, a boy thinks she's using magic.
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** Captain Mercer gives one to [[jw.org Jehovah's Witnesses]] when a door is slammed in his face.
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