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* ScienceMarchesOn: The Voth are clearly established as ectotherms (cold-blooded) and harbor FantasticRacism against endotherms, particularly mammals. Although paleontologists had been uncovering evidence since the 1970s and 1980s that dinosaurs were endothermic, the episode was released in 1997, at a time when this notion was only ''just'' being brought into popular consciousness thanks to films such as ''Film/JurassicPark''. Today, scientists and popular culture are both in nearly unanimous agreement that dinosaurs ''were'', in fact, warm-blooded, and are biologically closer to modern birds than they are to their reptilian ancestors. This is particularly true of theropods such as the dromaeosaurs[[note]]colloquially known as the raptors, including genus ''Velociraptor'' and ''Deinonychus''[[/note]] in which some species sported feather precursors, if not anatomically modern feathers.
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* FromACertainPointOfView: To the Voth, the distant origin theory means they are mere refugees with no right to the region of space they control. Chakotay urges Minister Odala to consider themselves as {{Bold Explorer}}s who established another homeworld against all odds, but she rejects this argument.

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* FromACertainPointOfView: To the Voth, the distant origin theory means they are mere refugees with no right to the region of space they control. control or a legacy that would keep them united. Chakotay urges Minister Odala to consider themselves as {{Bold Explorer}}s that their ancestors grew up on Earth surrounded on all sides by deadly predators, but still managed to develop their own culture, develop technology, and when their world was threated by calamity: [[BoldExplorer boldly traveled into space]], created their own Warp Technology and traversed the length of their Galaxy entire ''millions'' of years before Humanity would evolve; and that these ancient Voth had remained united in purpose to go across the vast distances of space instead of backing down from a challenge and turning back, and who established would go on to establish another homeworld deep within the Delta Quadrant against all odds, but she odds. Chakotay views the Distant Origin Theory as a sign of the Voths' overwhelming spirit and resolve. But Odala rejects this argument.
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* MileLongShip: The Voth City Ship is nearly 10 kilometers long (just over six miles) -- big enough to hold ''Voyager'' in its interior chamber, looking like a tiny fish in a very big tank.

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* HigherTechSpecies: The Voth have technology far enough above Voyager that the ship is utterly helpless and can travel at a speed orders of magnitude faster, but nothing remotely as advanced as you'd expect from a people who had been space-faring for tens of millions of years.

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* HeroicSacrifice: Made by Gegen to save the crew of Voyager, when he agrees to recant his theories publicly in exchange for Voyager being allowed to leave their region of space.
* HigherTechSpecies: The Voth have technology far enough above Voyager that the ship is and security teams are utterly helpless and helpless, can travel at a speed orders of magnitude faster, speeds comparable to Borg Transwarp or Quantum Slipstream, but are still nothing remotely as advanced as you'd expect from a people who had been space-faring for tens of millions of years.years. Although this is partially explained by their fanatic devotion to 'doctrine' which seems to stagnate their technological advancement rates.



* NoSell: None of the phasers on ''Voyager'' can fire, thanks to the Voth dampening field. That doesn't stop Tom from [[PistolWhipping using one as a bludgeon]].

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* NoSell: None The Voth pretty much deliver a conga line of the phasers on ''Voyager'' can fire, thanks these to the Voth Voyager crew.
** Their city ship simply beams the entire damn ship inside their own without even being bothered by its shields. Then with a combination of power
dampening field. That doesn't stop Tom from [[PistolWhipping using one as fields and computer hacking, they shut the ship down, disable all hand phasers and finally override Toms attempt to get the torpedo launchers online without even being phased by his threats to use them.
** Also arguably counts for the Chakotey's heartfelt attempt to Kirk Summation his way out of their situation which simply bounces right off the Minister's dogmatic xenophobic hide. And when Janeway, with all the anger and threatening posturing she can muster demands that her ship be released, the Voth questioning her all but rolls his eyes and simply calls for
a bludgeon]]."[[TortureTechnician surgical interrogator]]" to get the answers the hard way instead.

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** The notion that the Voth evolved on an "eighth continent". There actually ''was'' a significant span of time starting in the Late Cretaceous Period where Earth had eight continents, but that last one is India, which broke away from the southern supercontinent Gondwana approximately 100 million years ago and collided with south-central Asia sometime between 55 and 35 MYA. An advanced, prehistoric nonhuman civilization would also have left copious evidence in the fossil record worldwide--otherwise, we're apparently expected to believe that the Voth developed spaceships before they invented ''boats''.



* ScienceMarchesOn: The Voth are clearly established as ectotherms (cold-blooded) and harbor FantasticRacism against endotherms, particularly mammals. Although paleontologists had been uncovering evidence since the 1970s and 1980s that dinosaurs were endothermic, the episode was released in 1997, at a time when this notion was only ''just'' being brought into popular consciousness thanks to films such as ''Film/JurassicPark''. Today, scientists and popular culture are both in nearly unanimous agreement that dinosaurs ''were'', in fact, warm-blooded, and are biologically closer to modern birds than they are their reptilian ancestors. This is particularly true of theropods such as the dromaeosaurs[[note]]colloquially known as the raptors, including genus ''Velociraptor'' and ''Deinonychus''[[/note]] in which some species sported feather precursors, if not anatomically modern feathers.

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* ScienceMarchesOn: The Voth are clearly established as ectotherms (cold-blooded) and harbor FantasticRacism against endotherms, particularly mammals. Although paleontologists had been uncovering evidence since the 1970s and 1980s that dinosaurs were endothermic, the episode was released in 1997, at a time when this notion was only ''just'' being brought into popular consciousness thanks to films such as ''Film/JurassicPark''. Today, scientists and popular culture are both in nearly unanimous agreement that dinosaurs ''were'', in fact, warm-blooded, and are biologically closer to modern birds than they are to their reptilian ancestors. This is particularly true of theropods such as the dromaeosaurs[[note]]colloquially known as the raptors, including genus ''Velociraptor'' and ''Deinonychus''[[/note]] in which some species sported feather precursors, if not anatomically modern feathers.
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** Tuvok catches one [[ShotMidSentence mid-sentence]] later on.

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** Tuvok catches one [[ShotMidSentence [[KilledMidSentence mid-sentence]] later on.
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* AgeOfReptiles: The Voth evolved from dinosaurs durind that era.

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* AgeOfReptiles: The Voth evolved from dinosaurs durind during that era.
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* AgeOfReptiles: The Voth presumably evolved from dinosaurs durind that era.

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* AgeOfReptiles: The Voth presumably evolved from dinosaurs durind that era.

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Future Technology and Phaser Triggers not working the same as Real Life guns could easily explain these two things.


* AnAesop: ''Doctrine'' is a clear stand-in for Young Earth Creationism.



* ArtisticLicenseBiology: The computer is somehow able to accurately extrapolate how ''Parasaurolophus'' would look with an extra 65 million years of evolution. It's impossible to predict how any species will look if it continues to evolve.
* ArtisticLicenseGunSafety: Janeway tosses a phaser to Chakotay as he rushes out to find the alien intruders.

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* The47Society: Humans and Voth share 47 genetic markers, leading to the conclusion that they're from the same planet.


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* ArcNumber: Humans and Voth share 47 genetic markers, leading to the conclusion that they're from the same planet.

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* ScienceFictionWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: Another connection with Earth for fans to gripe about. However this trip took so long the ancestors of the Voth apparently forgot their origins in the mists of history. They've also discovered transwarp since then, explaining how they can cover a distance Voyager spent a year crossing.

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* ScienceFictionWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: Another connection with Earth for fans to gripe about. However this trip took so long the ancestors of the Voth apparently forgot their origins in the mists of history. They've also discovered transwarp since then, explaining how they can cover a distance Voyager spent a year crossing. Ironically, recent analysis show the 65 million years ago the Earth ''was'' on the opposite side of the galaxy due to the Sun's orbit around the center actually lends some credence to this as well. Had they traveled in the opposite direction that orbit they would have ended up in their current location much quicker.
* ScienceMarchesOn: The Voth are clearly established as ectotherms (cold-blooded) and harbor FantasticRacism against endotherms, particularly mammals. Although paleontologists had been uncovering evidence since the 1970s and 1980s that dinosaurs were endothermic, the episode was released in 1997, at a time when this notion was only ''just'' being brought into popular consciousness thanks to films such as ''Film/JurassicPark''. Today, scientists and popular culture are both in nearly unanimous agreement that dinosaurs ''were'', in fact, warm-blooded, and are biologically closer to modern birds than they are their reptilian ancestors. This is particularly true of theropods such as the dromaeosaurs[[note]]colloquially known as the raptors, including genus ''Velociraptor'' and ''Deinonychus''[[/note]] in which some species sported feather precursors, if not anatomically modern feathers.
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* StarshipLuxurious: The Voth city ship is so large it beams Voyager inside it with plenty of room to spare.

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* StarshipLuxurious: The Voth city ship is so large it beams Voyager inside it [[MileLongShip with plenty of room to spare.spare]].

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* RecycledInSpace: The entire episode is a retelling of Galileo's difficulties with the Pope regarding Heliocentrism--only with dinosaurs.



* RecycledInSpace: The entire episode is a retelling of Galileo's difficulties with the Pope regarding Heliocentrism--only with dinosaurs.
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* WholePlotReference: The entire episode is a retelling of Galileo's difficulties with the Pope regarding Heliocentrism--only with dinosaurs.

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* ReassignedToAntarctica: After the trial, Gegen is reassigned to metallurgical research. He tells Chakotay that he's never been good at chemistry and thus is likely to have an unremarkable career from this point on.
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* PhlebotinumKilledTheDinosaurs: Nope, they built spacecraft and left the planet.
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** Tuvok catches one mid-sentence later on.

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[[caption-width-right:350:[[Film/JurassicPark "Clever girl..."]]]]
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* {{Ultraterrestrials}}: The Voth, who left Earth millions of years ago.
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-->"Note how the female through the feigned antagonism encourages the male in his attempt to mate."

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-->"Note how the female through the feigned [[PlayingHardToGet feigned]] antagonism encourages the male in his attempt to mate."
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--> '''Chakotay:''' I've had the opportunity the last few days to learn something about your culture, and your great accomplishments. Consider your breakthrough into Transwarp -- an incredible achievement! And yet, your ancient doctrine predicted terrible disasters if it were even attempted. That held your race back for millennia. Until someone took a chance and challenged that prediction. They succeeded, and your society entered a new chapter of exploration, and your doctrine was changed accordingly. I know from the history of my own planet that change is difficult. New ideas are often greeted with skepticism, even fear. But sometimes those ideas are accepted, and when they are progress is made. Eyes are opened.\\
'''Odala:''' When I open my eyes to this theory, what I see appalls me. I see my race fleeing your wretched planet, a group of pathetic refugees crawling and scratching their way across the galaxy, stumbling into this domain. And I see a race with no birthright, no legacy. That is unacceptable!\\
'''Chakotay:''' I see something very different, Minister. An ancient race of Saurians, probably the first intelligent life on Earth -- surrounded by some of the most terrifying creatures that ever lived. And yet they thrived! Developed language and culture and technology! And when the planet was threatened with disaster, they boldly launched themselves into space. Crossed what must have seemed like unimaginable distances. Facing the unknown every day. But somehow...they stayed together. Kept going, with the same courage that had served them before, until they reached this quadrant, where they laid the foundation of what has become the great Voth culture. Deny that past...and you deny the struggle and achievements of your ancestors. Deny your origins on Earth, and you deny your true heritage.\\

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--> '''Chakotay:''' I've had the opportunity the last few days to learn something about your culture, and your great accomplishments. Consider your breakthrough into Transwarp -- an incredible achievement! achievement. And yet, your ancient doctrine predicted terrible disasters if it were even attempted. That held your race back for millennia. Until millennia, until someone took a chance and challenged that prediction. They succeeded, and your society entered a new chapter of exploration, and your doctrine was changed accordingly. I know from the history of my own planet that change is difficult. New ideas are often greeted with skepticism, even fear. But sometimes those ideas are accepted, and when they are progress is made. Eyes are opened.\\
'''Odala:''' When I open my eyes to this theory, what I see appalls me. I see my race fleeing your wretched planet, a group of pathetic refugees crawling and scratching their way across the galaxy, stumbling into this domain. And I see a race with no birthright, no legacy. That is unacceptable!\\
unacceptable.\\
'''Chakotay:''' I see something very different, Minister. An ancient race of Saurians, probably the first intelligent life on Earth -- surrounded by some of the most terrifying creatures that ever lived. And yet they thrived! thrived. Developed language and culture and technology! technology. And when the planet was threatened with disaster, they boldly launched themselves into space. Crossed space, crossed what must have seemed like unimaginable distances. Facing distances, facing the unknown every day. But day, but somehow...they stayed together. Kept going, with the same courage that had served them before, until they reached this quadrant, where they laid the foundation of what has was to become the great Voth culture. Deny that past...and you deny the struggle and achievements of your ancestors. Deny your origins on Earth, Earth...and you deny your true heritage.\\
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--> '''Chakotay:''' I've had the opportunity the last few days to learn something about your culture, and your great accomplishments. Consider your breakthrough into Transwarp -- an incredible achievement! And yet, your ancient doctrine predicted terrible disasters if it were even attempted. That held your race back for millennia. Until someone took a chance and challenged that prediction. They succeeded, and your society entered a new chapter of exploration, and your doctrine was changed accordingly. I know from the history of my own planet that change is difficult. New ideas are often greeted with skepticism, even fear. But sometimes those ideas are accepted, and when they are progress is made. Eyes are opened.\\
'''Odala:''' When I open my eyes to this theory, what I see appalls me. I see my race fleeing your wretched planet, a group of pathetic refugees crawling and scratching their way across the galaxy, stumbling into this domain. And I see a race with no birthright, no legacy. That is unacceptable!\\
'''Chakotay:''' I see something very different, Minister. An ancient race of Saurians, probably the first intelligent life on Earth -- surrounded by some of the most terrifying creatures that ever lived. And yet they thrived! Developed language and culture and technology! And when the planet was threatened with disaster, they boldly launched themselves into space. Crossed what must have seemed like unimaginable distances. Facing the unknown every day. But somehow...they stayed together. Kept going, with the same courage that had served them before, until they reached this quadrant, where they laid the foundation of what has become the great Voth culture. Deny that past...and you deny the struggle and achievements of your ancestors. Deny your origins on Earth, and you deny your true heritage.\\
''({{beat}})''\\
'''Odala:''' ''(to Gegen)'' Do you retract your claims?

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* TranquillizerDart: Tuvok catches one mid-sentence.
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* WorldBuilding: Even though the Voth were only meant to appear in one episode, there's an effort to portray their culture in various minor ways.



* SomeKindOfForceField: Gegen and Veer get caught in one on TheBridge that keeps them from returning to their ship. They barely make it to the mess hall.



* WholePlotReference: The entire episode is a retelling of Galileo's difficulties with the Pope regarding Heliocentrism--only with dinosaurs.

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* WholePlotReference: The entire episode is a retelling of Galileo's difficulties with the Pope regarding Heliocentrism--only with dinosaurs.dinosaurs.
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* BilingualBonus: Gegen's name comes from the German word for "against". Doubles as a MeaningfulName.
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** ''Eryops'', the last common ancestor of cold-blooded and warm-blooded animals on Earth, is stated by the Doctor to have lived about 400 million years ago, during the Devonian period, when in fact it lived more than 100 million years earlier, during the Permian period. In addition, the ''Eryops'' shown in the episode more closely resembles the ''Gorgonops'', a type of synapsid, which were the ancestors of mammals, not dinosaurs.

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** ''Eryops'', the last common ancestor of cold-blooded and warm-blooded animals on Earth, is stated by the Doctor to have lived about 400 million years ago, during the Devonian period, when in fact it lived more than 100 million years earlier, later, during the Permian period. In addition, the ''Eryops'' shown in the episode more closely resembles the ''Gorgonops'', a type of synapsid, which were the ancestors of mammals, not dinosaurs.

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** It also refers to ''Parasaurolophus'' as "Genus: ''Hadrosaur''". ''Parasaurolophus'' may have been part of the family Hadrosauridae, but it's a different genus from ''Hadrosaurus''.


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** The computer refers to ''Parasaurolophus'' as "Genus: ''Hadrosaur''". ''Parasaurolophus'' may have been part of the family Hadrosauridae, but it's a different genus from ''Hadrosaurus''.
** ''Eryops'', the last common ancestor of cold-blooded and warm-blooded animals on Earth, is stated by the Doctor to have lived about 400 million years ago, during the Devonian period, when in fact it lived more than 100 million years earlier, during the Permian period. In addition, the ''Eryops'' shown in the episode more closely resembles the ''Gorgonops'', a type of synapsid, which were the ancestors of mammals, not dinosaurs.
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* AnswerCut: Janeway wonders why they haven't seen the computer's extrapolation of an evolved humanoid reptilian in a museum of natural history on Earth. Cut to Chakotay and Gegen discussing the issue.

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* AnswerCut: Janeway wonders why they haven't seen the computer's extrapolation of an evolved humanoid reptilian in a museum of natural history on Earth. Cut to Chakotay and Gegen discussing the issue.that very issue and coming up with possible reasons.

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