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Fairly certain that Kick The Dog needs to be directed at Oscar, when the punch was directed at Ozpin, having the unfortunate side affect of hurting Oscar due to them sharing a body.


* KickTheDog: As Oscar laments that he'll just be another one of Ozma's lives, Ruby tries to convince him otherwise, only for Qrow to accuse her of lying to him and denying the truth. Also, well, literally ''punching'' Oscar earlier.

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* KickTheDog: As Oscar laments that he'll just be another one of Ozma's lives, Ruby tries to convince him otherwise, only for Qrow to accuse her of lying to him and denying the truth. Also, well, literally ''punching'' Oscar earlier.

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* NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead: At least attempted by the Villains of all people. When Salem deliberately asks who was responsible for the failure in Haven, Hazel assumes full responsibility, instead of correctly pinning the blame on Cinder. Emerald is similarly reluctant to throw Cinder under the bus, and it takes considerable intimidation from Salem for her to admit the truth. Subverted, in that Cinder isn't actually dead, but neither Hazel nor Emerald know it at the time.



* NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead: At least attempted by the Villains of all people. When Salem deliberately asks who was responsible for the failure in Haven, Hazel assumes full responsibility, instead of correctly pinning the blame on Cinder. Emerald is similarly reluctant to throw Cinder under the bus, and it takes considerable intimidation from Salem for her to admit the truth. Subverted, in that Cinder isn't actually dead, but neither Hazel nor Emerald know it at the time.

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* NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead: At least attempted by the Villains of all people. When Salem deliberately asks who was responsible for the failure in Haven, Hazel assumes full responsibility, instead of correctly pinning the blame on Cinder. Emerald is similarly reluctant to throw Cinder under the bus, and it takes considerable intimidation from Salem for her to admit the truth. Subverted, in that Cinder isn't actually dead, but neither Hazel nor Emerald know it at the time.



* NeverSpeakIlloftheDead: At least attempted by the Villains of all people. When Salem deliberately asks who was responsible for the failure in Haven, Hazel assumes full responsibility, instead of correctly pinning the blame on Cinder. Emerald is similarly reluctant to throw Cinder under the bus, and it takes considerable intimidation from Salem for her to admit the truth. Subverted, in that Cinder isn't actually dead, but neither Hazel nor Emerald know it at the time.
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* NeverSpeakIlloftheDead: At least attempted by the Villains of all people. When Salem deliberately asks who was responsible for the failure in Haven, Hazel assumes full responsibility, instead of correctly pinning the blame on Cinder. Emerald is similarly reluctant to throw Cinder under the bus, and it takes considerable intimidation from Salem for her to admit the truth. Subverted, in that Cinder isn't actually dead, but neither Hazel nor Emerald know it at the time.
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* PetTheDog: Surprisingly, Salem, in the middle of grilling Hazel, Mercury, and Emerald over the failure at Haven, deliberately reveals that Cinder is still alive, which, for how terrifying the situation is, is actually something that serves to reassure Emerald, if only a little.
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Salem has telekinesis, and this is pure speculation.


* SuperStrength: Possibly due to being half-Grimm, Salem is far stronger than an ordinary human [[MusclesAreMeaningless despite her lithe figure]]. When Hazel attempts to shoulder full responsibility for the failure of Haven, Salem, in a rage, causally tosses the table aside as if it was nothing.
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Indy Ploy isn't "I don't have a plan." It's a plan that's made up as they go. This isn't a deconstruction of the trope.


* IndyPloy: Deconstructed, as when Blake asks Ozpin what his plan was after knowing that Salem can't be killed, he simply says he has none. No one takes this kindly.
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*** While Team RWBY and Qrow are angry at Ozpin, they don't take that anger out on Oscar, for in the grand scheme of things, he's as much a victim as the others.



---->'''[[CosmicPlaything Oscar]]:''' I hate this! I want it to stop!
*** Even if Oscar wants to be his own person, he ultimately is still the latest in the long line of Ozma's reincarnations.
---->'''Oscar:''' I'm just going to be another one of ''his'' lives aren't I?\\
'''Ruby:''' Of course not. You're your own person.\\
'''Qrow:''' [[BrutalHonesty Don't lie]] [[KickTheDog to him Ruby.]] We're better than that.
** While Team RWBY and Qrow have all the right to be angry with Ozpin, they can't focus on it for too long lest their emotions attract the Grimm, doubly so with the fact the Grimm are attracted by the Relic of Knowledge, something pointed out by Maria when telling everyone to keep moving.
** Plenty at the meeting of Salem's enforcers:
*** Salem does not tolerate failure, and as such will punish people appropriately for failure. So she does not take kindly to Hazel trying to shoulder the blame for Haven on himself, so when he does so, she punishes him for not being truthful.
*** Emerald may have UndyingLoyalty towards Cinder, but when [[TheDreaded Salem]] demands to hear from her who lead to the failure at Haven, not even that will stop Emerald from admitting to it being Cinder's fault.
*** Even if Cinder is a valuable tool by being the Fall Maiden, her actions still caused the failure at Haven, and her behavior proved detrimental to their plans. Salem, who doesn't tolerate failure, and can tell that said behavior could be detrimental to future plans, therefore will not accept her back until she proves herself useful again.
*** A single failure does not halt their plans, so despite the loss at Haven, Salem is already prepared to target Shade Academy in Vacuo for the Relic of Destruction next.
*** Having suffered under an AbusiveParent before, Mercury is aware of the signs and is the first to notice when Salem is about to have a VillainousBreakdown, and the first to leave when she tells everyone too.
*** Atlas' lockdown has made it unreachable to Salem's faction, meaning if Team RWBY, Qrow, and Ozpin manage to bring the Relic of Knowledge to Atlas, it will be out of their reach for the time being, something Watts starts to point out before noticing Salem's coming VillainousBreakdown.

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* BerserkButton:
** Salem's hatred for Ozpin is so deep that the mere mention of his name is enough to stoke her rage. When Hazel mentions that Ozpin has resurfaced and is leading Team RWBY to Atlas with the Relic of Knowledge in tow, Salem's fury becomes so great that the windows begin to crack with her rage. She harshly orders the group to leave and takes a deep breath in an attempt to calm herself before letting out a primal scream of rage that shatters all the windows in the room.
** Emerald immediately draws her weapons on Tyrian when the latter brings up and laughs at Cinder's supposed demise.

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* BerserkButton:
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BerserkButton: Salem's hatred for Ozpin is so deep that the mere mention of his name is enough to stoke her rage. When Hazel mentions that Ozpin has resurfaced and is leading Team RWBY to Atlas with the Relic of Knowledge in tow, Salem's fury becomes so great that the windows begin to crack with her rage. She harshly orders the group to leave and takes a deep breath in an attempt to calm herself before letting out a primal scream of rage that shatters all the windows in the room.
** Emerald immediately draws her weapons on Tyrian when the latter brings up and laughs at Cinder's supposed demise.
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* KickTheDog: As Oscar laments that he'll just be another one of Ozma's lives, Ruby tries to convince him otherwise, only for Qrow to accuse her of lying to him and denying the truth.

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* KickTheDog: As Oscar laments that he'll just be another one of Ozma's lives, Ruby tries to convince him otherwise, only for Qrow to accuse her of lying to him and denying the truth. Also, well, literally ''punching'' Oscar earlier.
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** While Ozma and Salem's past was tragic, it doesn't excuse Ozpin for constantly keeping secrets from everyone, nor does it excuse the fact he's been leading people in thinking Salem could be stopped when he is just [[IndyPloy making things up as he goes]]. Team RWBY and Qrow are justifiably angry at him for lying to everyone and leading them on, and are completely [[BrokenPedestal disillusioned with him]].

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** While Ozma and Salem's Learning of Ozpin's tragic past was tragic, it doesn't excuse Ozpin for constantly keeping secrets from everyone, nor does it excuse not instantly dispel the fact he's been leading people bad mood in thinking the group, and learning that Salem could can't be stopped when destroyed has only made the mood worse. When Ozpin, who is now just as emotionally worked up as the rest of the group, is asked what his plan regarding Salem is, he is just [[IndyPloy making things up as he goes]]. Team RWBY and Qrow are justifiably angry at him for lying unable to everyone and leading them on, and are completely [[BrokenPedestal disillusioned with him]].give a satisfactory answer, which only makes the others angrier.
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*** Even if Cinder is a valuable tool by being the Fall Maiden, he actions still caused the failure at Haven, and her behavior proved detrimental to their plans. Salem, who doesn't tolerate failure, and can tell that said behavior could be detrimental to future plans, therefore will not accept her back until she proves herself useful again.

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*** Even if Cinder is a valuable tool by being the Fall Maiden, he her actions still caused the failure at Haven, and her behavior proved detrimental to their plans. Salem, who doesn't tolerate failure, and can tell that said behavior could be detrimental to future plans, therefore will not accept her back until she proves herself useful again.
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* KickTheDog: As Oscar laments fearing he'll just be another one of Ozma's lives, Ruby tries to convince him otherwise, only for Qrow to accuse her of lying to him and denying the truth.

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* KickTheDog: As Oscar laments fearing that he'll just be another one of Ozma's lives, Ruby tries to convince him otherwise, only for Qrow to accuse her of lying to him and denying the truth.



---->['''[CosmicPlaything Oscar]]:''' I hate this! I want it to stop!

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---->['''[CosmicPlaything ---->'''[[CosmicPlaything Oscar]]:''' I hate this! I want it to stop!
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* DrowningMySorrows: After coming to see Ozpin as a BrokenPedestal, Qrow has TookALevelInCynic, and gone back to downing his flask.

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* DrowningMySorrows: After coming to see Ozpin as a BrokenPedestal, Qrow has TookALevelInCynic, TookALevelInCynic and gone goes back to downing his flask.



--->[[CosmicPlaything Oscar]]: I hate this! I want it to stop!

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--->[[CosmicPlaything Oscar]]: ---->['''[CosmicPlaything Oscar]]:''' I hate this! I want it to stop!



--->Oscar: I'm just going to be another one of ''his'' lives aren't I?
--->Ruby: Of course not. You're your own person.
--->Qrow: [[BrutalHonesty Don't lie]] [[KickTheDog to him Ruby.]] We're better than that.

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--->Oscar: ---->'''Oscar:''' I'm just going to be another one of ''his'' lives aren't I?
--->Ruby:
I?\\
'''Ruby:'''
Of course not. You're your own person.
--->Qrow:
person.\\
'''Qrow:'''
[[BrutalHonesty Don't lie]] [[KickTheDog to him Ruby.]] We're better than that.

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* CoolBigBro: Hazel begins to look after Emerald when Salem is about to have a VillainousBreakdown, pulling her out of the room before she is paralyzed with fear. This was lightly {{foreshadow|ing}}ed in Volume 5's finale when Hazel grabbed Emerald after she knocked herself out by overclocking her semblance, when he just as easily could have left her behind.
* DrowningMySorrows: After coming to see Ozpin as a BrokenPedestal, Qrow has TookALevelInCynic, and gone back to downing his flask.



* KickTheDog: As Oscar laments fearing he'll just be another one of Ozma's lives, Ruby tries to convince him otherwise, only for Qrow to accuse her of lying to him and denying the truth.



* RealityEnsues:
** While Ozma and Salem's past was tragic, it doesn't excuse Ozpin for constantly keeping secrets from everyone, nor does it excuse the fact he's been leading people in thinking Salem could be stopped when he is just [[IndyPloy making things up as he goes]]. Team RWBY and Qrow are justifiably angry at him for lying to everyone and leading them on, and are completely [[BrokenPedestal disillusioned with him]].
** A lot regarding Oscar:
*** Any injuries Oscar's body sustains will naturally be felt by him, so when Qrow [[TalkToTheFist decks]] Ozpin in the face, Oscar feels the pain after regaining control.
*** While Team RWBY and Qrow are angry at Ozpin, they don't take that anger out on Oscar, for in the grand scheme of things, he's as much a victim as the others.
*** Oscar is only 14 years old, and unlike Team RWBY, he hasn't trained to handle the job of a huntsman, leaving him very emotionally fragile after all he's experienced.
--->[[CosmicPlaything Oscar]]: I hate this! I want it to stop!
*** Even if Oscar wants to be his own person, he ultimately is still the latest in the long line of Ozma's reincarnations.
--->Oscar: I'm just going to be another one of ''his'' lives aren't I?
--->Ruby: Of course not. You're your own person.
--->Qrow: [[BrutalHonesty Don't lie]] [[KickTheDog to him Ruby.]] We're better than that.
** While Team RWBY and Qrow have all the right to be angry with Ozpin, they can't focus on it for too long lest their emotions attract the Grimm, doubly so with the fact the Grimm are attracted by the Relic of Knowledge, something pointed out by Maria when telling everyone to keep moving.
** Plenty at the meeting of Salem's enforcers:
*** Salem does not tolerate failure, and as such will punish people appropriately for failure. So she does not take kindly to Hazel trying to shoulder the blame for Haven on himself, so when he does so, she punishes him for not being truthful.
*** Emerald may have UndyingLoyalty towards Cinder, but when [[TheDreaded Salem]] demands to hear from her who lead to the failure at Haven, not even that will stop Emerald from admitting to it being Cinder's fault.
*** Even if Cinder is a valuable tool by being the Fall Maiden, he actions still caused the failure at Haven, and her behavior proved detrimental to their plans. Salem, who doesn't tolerate failure, and can tell that said behavior could be detrimental to future plans, therefore will not accept her back until she proves herself useful again.
*** A single failure does not halt their plans, so despite the loss at Haven, Salem is already prepared to target Shade Academy in Vacuo for the Relic of Destruction next.
*** Having suffered under an AbusiveParent before, Mercury is aware of the signs and is the first to notice when Salem is about to have a VillainousBreakdown, and the first to leave when she tells everyone too.
*** Atlas' lockdown has made it unreachable to Salem's faction, meaning if Team RWBY, Qrow, and Ozpin manage to bring the Relic of Knowledge to Atlas, it will be out of their reach for the time being, something Watts starts to point out before noticing Salem's coming VillainousBreakdown.



** After the reveals and being attacked, Ozpin is quite rattled by everything and decides to lock himself away deep in Oscar's mind. Not even Oscar, the person he shares a body with, knows what he's up to now.
** Salem's cronies flee the room when she learns that Ozpin was involved in the Haven situation.

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** After the reveals and being attacked, Ozpin is quite rattled by everything and decides to lock himself away deep in Oscar's mind. Not even Oscar, the person he shares a body and mind with, knows what he's up to now.
** Salem's cronies enforcers flee the room when she learns that Ozpin was involved in the Haven situation.

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* BerserkButton: Salem does not take kindly to finding out about Ozpin's reincarnation.

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* BerserkButton: Salem does not take kindly BerserkButton:
** Salem's hatred for Ozpin is so deep that the mere mention of his name is enough
to finding stoke her rage. When Hazel mentions that Ozpin has resurfaced and is leading Team RWBY to Atlas with the Relic of Knowledge in tow, Salem's fury becomes so great that the windows begin to crack with her rage. She harshly orders the group to leave and takes a deep breath in an attempt to calm herself before letting out about Ozpin's reincarnation.a primal scream of rage that shatters all the windows in the room.



* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After the reveals and being attacked, Ozpin is quite rattled by everything and decides to disappear elsewhere. Not even Oscar, the person he shares a body with, knows what he's up to now.

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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: PsychicStrangle: A variant. Salem can summon Grimm arms to restrain targets. She uses this on Hazel when he attempts to shoulder full responsibility for the failure of Haven.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere:
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After the reveals and being attacked, Ozpin is quite rattled by everything and decides to disappear elsewhere.lock himself away deep in Oscar's mind. Not even Oscar, the person he shares a body with, knows what he's up to now.



* TalkToTheFist: Qrow punching Oscar in the face after everything was revealed.
* TranquilFury: Salem can terrify her subordinates with the thought of her rage while sounding completely calm.

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* SuperStrength: Possibly due to being half-Grimm, Salem is far stronger than an ordinary human [[MusclesAreMeaningless despite her lithe figure]]. When Hazel attempts to shoulder full responsibility for the failure of Haven, Salem, in a rage, causally tosses the table aside as if it was nothing.
* TalkToTheFist: When Ozpin tearfully admits that he has no plan to defeat Salem, Qrow punching becomes so enraged that he punches Oscar in the face after everything was revealed.
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* TranquilFury: Salem can terrify her subordinates with the thought of her rage while sounding completely calm. The tranquil part goes out the window when Hazel reveals that Ozpin has resurfaced.
* VillainousBreakdown: Despite being understandably angry over the fiasco at Haven, Salem manages to keep herself reasonably calm and restrained. But when Hazel reveals that Ozpin has resurfaced, however, Salem's rage becomes so great that the windows begin to crack and she harshly orders her subordinates to leave before letting out a primal scream of fury that shatters the room's windows.
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** Emerald immediately draws her weapons on Tyrian when the latter brings up and laughs at Cinder's supposed demise.


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* PrecisionFStrike: Yang angrily calls Ozpin a bastard when the latter retreats back into Oscar's mind, infuriated that not only has he still kept secrets from the group, but is now trying to hide instead of confronting them directly.
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** Salem's cronies flee the room when she learns that Ozpin was involved in the Haven situation.
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* BrokenBird: No pun intended, but Qrow solidifies himself as this here. The man he put his faith in, who made him feel like he was worth something when everyone else decried him as cursed and unwanted, has proven to have no plan beyond an IndyPloy and has led countless people to a seemingly meaningless death. Now all Qrow can do is drown his sorrows and protect his nieces. Meanwhile, Ozpin himself thinks that Qrow has a point when he says that meeting him was the worst mistake of his life.

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* BrokenBird: No pun intended, but Qrow solidifies himself as this here. The man he put his faith in, who made him feel like he was worth something when everyone else decried him as cursed and unwanted, has proven to have no plan beyond an IndyPloy and has led countless people to a seemingly meaningless death. Now all Qrow can do is drown his sorrows and protect his nieces. Meanwhile, Ozpin himself thinks that Qrow has a point when he says that meeting him was the worst mistake of his life.life, and retreats into Oscar's mind.
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* BrokenBird: No pun intended, but Qrow solidifies himself as this here. The man he put his faith in, who made him feel like he was worth something when everyone else decried him as cursed and unwanted, has proven to have no plan beyond an IndyPloy and has led countless people to a seemingly meaningless death. Now all Qrow can do is drown his sorrows and protect his nieces.

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* BrokenBird: No pun intended, but Qrow solidifies himself as this here. The man he put his faith in, who made him feel like he was worth something when everyone else decried him as cursed and unwanted, has proven to have no plan beyond an IndyPloy and has led countless people to a seemingly meaningless death. Now all Qrow can do is drown his sorrows and protect his nieces. Meanwhile, Ozpin himself thinks that Qrow has a point when he says that meeting him was the worst mistake of his life.

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Considering last episode showed Inventor!Oz sharing his body with the Inventor/Dad's consciousness, its doubtful Oscar will be absorbed.


* TheBusCameBack: After being reduced to a name-drop for an entire season, Tyrian makes his first appearance since Volume 4 after losing his tail and enduring Salem's disappointment.

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* TheBusCameBack: After being reduced BrokenBird: No pun intended, but Qrow solidifies himself as this here. The man he put his faith in, who made him feel like he was worth something when everyone else decried him as cursed and unwanted, has proven to have no plan beyond an IndyPloy and has led countless people to a name-drop for an entire season, Tyrian makes seemingly meaningless death. Now all Qrow can do is drown his first appearance since Volume 4 after losing sorrows and protect his tail and enduring Salem's disappointment.nieces.



* BrutalHonesty: Oscar is horrified when he realizes that he'll simply be subsumed into Ozpin's consciousness. Ruby tries to comfort him by saying he's his own person, but Qrow swiftly rebukes her.

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* BrutalHonesty: Oscar is horrified when he realizes that thinks he'll simply be subsumed into Ozpin's consciousness.another of Ozma's lives. Ruby tries to comfort him by saying he's his own person, but Qrow swiftly rebukes her.



* TheBusCameBack: After being reduced to a name-drop for an entire season, Tyrian makes his first appearance since Volume 4 after losing his tail and enduring Salem's disappointment.



* OnlySaneMan: While everyone is either freaking out over the knowledge Salem can't be killed or pissed at Ozpin, [[CoolOldLady Maria]] keeps her head on straight and gets the others to put it aside and get moving lest they attract more Grimm.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After the reveals and being attacked, Ozpin is quite rattled by everything and decides to disappear elsewhere. Not even Oscar, the person he shares a body with, knows what he's up to now.



* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After the reveals and being attacked, Ozpin is quite rattled by everything and decides to disappear elsewhere.
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* AbandonedArea: A deserted farmstead called “Brunswick Farm”. It’s also where the heroes decide to hole up for the night.
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* TranquilFury: Salem can terrify her subordinates with the thought of her rage while sounding completely calm.



* YouHaveFailedMe: Salem decides to leave Cinder in exile despite knowing of her survival until she "redeems" herself. She also comes within a hairs-breadth of killing Hazel for trying to shoulder the blame.

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* YouHaveFailedMe: Salem decides to leave Cinder in exile despite knowing of her survival until she "redeems" herself. She also comes within a hairs-breadth of killing Hazel for trying to shoulder the blame.blame.
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* BerserkButton: Salem does not take kindly to finding out about Ozpin's reincarnation.


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* IndyPloy: Deconstructed, as when Blake asks Ozpin what his plan was after knowing that Salem can't be killed, he simply says he has none. No one takes this kindly.
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-->'''Ozpin:''' Don't lie to him, Ruby. We're better than that.

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-->'''Ozpin:''' -->'''Qrow:''' Don't lie to him, Ruby. We're better than that.
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* TheBusCameBack: After being reduced to a name-drop for an entire season, Tyrian makes his first appearance since Volume 4 after losing his tail and enduring Salem's disappointment.
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* BrutalHonesty: Oscar is horrified when he realizes that he'll simply be subsumed into Ozpin's consciousness. Ruby tries to comfort him by saying he's his own person, but Qrow swiftly rebukes her.
-->'''Ozpin:''' Don't lie to him, Ruby. We're better than that.



* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After the reveals and being attacked, Ozpin is quite rattled by everything and decides to disappear elsewhere.

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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After the reveals and being attacked, Ozpin is quite rattled by everything and decides to disappear elsewhere.elsewhere.
* YouHaveFailedMe: Salem decides to leave Cinder in exile despite knowing of her survival until she "redeems" herself. She also comes within a hairs-breadth of killing Hazel for trying to shoulder the blame.
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* TalkToTheFist: Qrow punching Oscar in the face after everything was revealed.

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* TalkToTheFist: Qrow punching Oscar in the face after everything was revealed.revealed.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After the reveals and being attacked, Ozpin is quite rattled by everything and decides to disappear elsewhere.
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With the truth revealed, our heroes now have some decisions to make...

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* BrokenPedestal: If the Pedestal wasn't broken prior to this, Qrow decking Ozpin/Oscar in the face sealed the deal.
* TalkToTheFist: Qrow punching Oscar in the face after everything was revealed.

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