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-->'''Father Lantom:''' Few things are absolute, Matthew. Even Lucifer was once an angel. It's why judgment and vengeance are best left to God. Especially when murder is not in your heart\\

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-->'''Father --->'''Father Lantom:''' Few things are absolute, Matthew. Even Lucifer was once an angel. It's why judgment and vengeance are best left to God. Especially when murder is not in your heart\\



''Father 'Lantom:''' You're ''here'', aren't you?

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''Father 'Lantom:''' '''Father Lantom:''' You're ''here'', aren't you?

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* AlternateAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew (''Like a muddied spring or polluted fountain is the righteous man who gives way before the wicked'') and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.
-->'''Matt:''' Meaning righteous men have a duty to stand up to evil.
-->'''Lantom:''' One interpretation. Another is that when the righteous succumb to sin, it is as harmful as if the public well were poisoned. Because the darkness of such an act... of taking a life... will spread to friends, neighbors... the entire community.
* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Lantom is pretty good at his job.
-->'''Lantom:''' So the question you have to ask yourself is: are you struggling with the fact that you don't want to kill this man, but have to... or that you don't have to kill him, but want to?

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* AlternateAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: Called out InUniverse when Father Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew (''Like a muddied spring or polluted fountain is the righteous man who gives way before the wicked'') and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.
-->'''Matt:''' -->'''Matt Murdock:''' Meaning righteous men have a duty to stand up to evil.
-->'''Lantom:'''
evil.\\
'''Father Lantom:'''
One interpretation. Another is that when the righteous succumb to sin, it is as harmful as if the public well were poisoned. Because the darkness of such an act... of taking a life... will spread to friends, neighbors... the entire community.
* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Father Lantom is pretty good at his job.
-->'''Lantom:''' -->'''Father Lantom:''' So the question you have to ask yourself is: are you struggling with the fact that you don't want to kill this man, but have to... or that you don't have to kill him, but want to?



* ArtisticLicenseHistory: While Lantom's story about a priest being slaughtered during the genocide in Rwanda could easily have happened (many many priests and nuns were among the victims), it rather ignores the problematic role many Catholic clergy played in actually aiding and abetting the Hutus. One priest, for example, had his own church bulldozed with about 2,000 Tutsi refugees inside.
* AskAStupidQuestion: Lantom's in the middle of his story about his development on the story of Satan, how as a young man he convinced himself that the devil is an inconsequential figure, built up from nothing for propaganda purposes because the word "satan" just means "adversary" or "opponent" in ancient Hebrew.
-->'''Matt:''' So you don't believe he exists?\\
'''Lantom:''' Was I done talking?
** Later, Lantom recognizes that Matt is wrestling with the possibility of killing Fisk.
-->'''Lantom:''' Few things are absolute, Matthew. Even Lucifer was once an angel. It's why judgment and vengeance are best left to God. Especially when murder is not in your heart\\
'''Matt:''' ... How do you know?\\
'''Lantom:''' You're ''here'', aren't you?

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: While Father Lantom's story about a priest being slaughtered during the genocide in Rwanda could easily have happened (many many priests and nuns were among the victims), it rather ignores the problematic role many Catholic clergy played in actually aiding and abetting the Hutus. One priest, for example, had his own church bulldozed with about 2,000 Tutsi refugees inside.
* AskAStupidQuestion: Father Lantom's in the middle of his story about his development on the story of Satan, how as a young man he convinced himself that the devil is an inconsequential figure, built up from nothing for propaganda purposes because the word "satan" just means "adversary" or "opponent" in ancient Hebrew.
-->'''Matt:''' -->'''Matt Murdock:''' So you don't believe he exists?\\
'''Lantom:''' '''Father Lantom:''' Was I done talking?
** Later, Father Lantom recognizes that Matt is wrestling with the possibility of killing Fisk.
-->'''Lantom:''' -->'''Father Lantom:''' Few things are absolute, Matthew. Even Lucifer was once an angel. It's why judgment and vengeance are best left to God. Especially when murder is not in your heart\\
'''Matt:''' ...'''Matt Murdock:''' ... How do you know?\\
'''Lantom:''' ''Father 'Lantom:''' You're ''here'', aren't you?



* DoubleMeaning: When in the art gallery, Vanessa asks Matt "Have you changed your mind about what you came here for?", believing he's there, as he claimed, because he wants to brighten up his apartment. Matt, who is strongly considering murdering Fisk despite being devoutly Catholic, replies that "I would just need to consider the cost."

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* DoubleMeaning: DoubleMeaning:
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When in the art gallery, Vanessa asks Matt "Have you changed your mind about what you came here for?", believing he's there, as he claimed, because he wants to brighten up his apartment. Matt, who is strongly considering murdering Fisk despite being devoutly Catholic, replies that "I would just need to consider the cost."



* DueToTheDead: As Elena lacked any next-of-kin, Matt and Foggy promise to make all the funeral arrangement themselves. Averted with Nobu; Fisk callously tells Wesley to let him burn.

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* DueToTheDead: DueToTheDead:
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As Elena lacked any next-of-kin, Matt and Foggy promise to make all the funeral arrangement themselves. themselves.
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Averted with Nobu; Fisk callously tells Wesley to let him burn.



** Vanessa reads Matthew perfectly when he shows up at the art gallery, leading him to a painting perfectly suited to his description of a "world on fire", a painting of a landscape in tonal reds.

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** Vanessa reads Matthew Matt perfectly when he shows up at the art gallery, leading him to a painting perfectly suited to his description of a "world on fire", a painting of a landscape in tonal reds.



* FiveSecondForeshadowing: We learn that the reason the bad-guys are going so hard after Mrs. Cardenas's apartment is because Nobu is demanding ownership of that block for reasons unknown. When he and Fisk agree to cooperate to take out the man in the mask, Nobu points out that the man has been cautious of late, but Fisk replies that emotions can make people incautious... cut to Murdock and Foggy LLC and they meet with Cardenas with Matt arguing maybe she should take the new offer from Fisk for double the money...

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* FiveSecondForeshadowing: We learn that the reason the bad-guys are going so hard after Mrs. Cardenas's apartment is because Nobu is demanding ownership of that block for reasons unknown. When he and Fisk agree to cooperate to take out the man in the mask, Nobu points out that the man has been cautious of late, but Fisk replies that emotions can make people incautious... cut to Murdock Matt and Foggy LLC and they meet meeting with Cardenas with Mrs. Cardenas, and Matt arguing that maybe she should take the new offer from Fisk for double the money...



* GodzillaThreshold: Despite claiming just a few episodes ago that he [[ThouShaltNotKill doesn't kill people]], Daredevil is pretty much forced to resort to lethal force in his fight with Nobu. [[spoiler: Although as we learn next season, Nobu isn't so easily taken down.]]

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* GodzillaThreshold: Despite claiming just a few episodes ago that he [[ThouShaltNotKill doesn't kill people]], Daredevil Matt is pretty much forced to resort to lethal force in his fight with Nobu. [[spoiler: Although as we learn next season, Nobu isn't so easily taken down.]]



* IDidWhatIHadToDo: For all Lantom's willing to accept Pragmatic Heroism, he still draws hard lines.
-->'''Lantom:''' Another man's evil does not make you good. Men have used the atrocities of their enemies to justify their own throughout history.

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* IDidWhatIHadToDo: For all of Father Lantom's willing to accept Pragmatic Heroism, he still draws hard lines.
-->'''Lantom:''' -->'''Father Lantom:''' Another man's evil does not make you good. Men have used the atrocities of their enemies to justify their own throughout history.



* KickTheDog: {{Invoked}} by Fisk when he kills Mrs. Cardenas, intending to provoke Matt into coming after him.
* LetMeTellYouAStory: When Matt asks the priest if he believes the Devil exists in person, he talks of how he didn't until the Rwandan genocide, where there was a well-respected community leader who refused to participate and so was targeted by the militia. [[EvenEvilHasStandards But even they were reluctant to hack him up with machetes]] to MakeAnExampleOfThem, so asked their leader for permission to kill him quickly instead. Their leader decided to meet this man himself, spent hours talking to him...and then hacked him up along with his family.

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* KickTheDog: {{Invoked}} by Fisk when he kills has Mrs. Cardenas, Cardenas murdered, intending to provoke Matt into coming after him.
* LetMeTellYouAStory: When Matt asks the priest Father Lantom if he believes the Devil exists in person, he Father Lantom talks of how he didn't until the Rwandan genocide, where there was a well-respected community leader who refused to participate and so was targeted by the militia. [[EvenEvilHasStandards But even they were reluctant to hack him up with machetes]] to MakeAnExampleOfThem, so asked their leader for permission to kill him quickly instead. Their leader decided to meet this man himself, spent hours talking to him...and then hacked him up along with his family.



* NecessarilyEvil: Fisk claims this of Elena's death. He wasn't happy to kill her, but felt her loss would enrage the Man in the Mask enough to come out of his hiding and avenge her. Notably, when he talks about her death on television (obviously minus his part), Karen thinks that he's lying about being sorry, but Matt believes that Fisk is genuine. This does not inspire any kindly feelings in him towards Fisk.

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* NecessarilyEvil: Fisk claims this of Elena's death. He wasn't happy to kill her, but felt her loss would enrage the Man in the Mask Matt enough to come out of his hiding and avenge her. Notably, when he talks about her death on television (obviously minus his part), Karen thinks that he's lying about being sorry, but Matt believes that Fisk is genuine. This does not inspire any kindly feelings in him towards Fisk.



* NotSoStoic: After viewing Elena's body, Foggy and Karen are openly distraught. Foggy casts a look at Matt who is expressionless behind his sunglasses...then we see his hands squeezing his cane until the knuckles turn red.

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* NotSoStoic: NotSoStoic:
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After viewing Elena's body, Foggy and Karen are openly distraught. Foggy casts a look at Matt who is expressionless behind his sunglasses...[[TranquilFury then we see his hands squeezing his cane until the knuckles turn red.red]].



* OhCrap: Played for laughs when Matt is talking with Vanessa and is caught off guard by Fisk's arrival. He was already aware of the absurdly heightened security; he just wasn't expecting the douche in chief to show up.

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* OhCrap: Played for laughs when Matt is talking with Vanessa and is caught off guard by Fisk's arrival. He was already aware of the absurdly heightened security; he just wasn't expecting the douche in chief crime boss to show up.up in person.



-->'''Lantom:''' There is a wide gulf between inaction and murder, Matthew.

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-->'''Lantom:''' -->'''Father Lantom:''' There is a wide gulf between inaction and murder, Matthew.



--->'''Foggy:''' Donde esta la biblioteca.\\
'''Matt:''' You just asked her where the library is.

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--->'''Foggy:''' --->'''Foggy Nelson:''' Donde esta la biblioteca.\\
'''Matt:''' '''Matt Murdock:''' You just asked her where the library is.



--->'''Foggy:''' I heard a crash... Not the fun-sexy-time crash, more of a "I've fallen and I can't get up" variety...
* ShownTheirWork: Lantom's speech about Satan has a few.

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--->'''Foggy:''' --->'''Foggy Nelson:''' I heard a crash... Not the fun-sexy-time crash, more of a "I've fallen and I can't get up" variety...
* ShownTheirWork: Father Lantom's speech about Satan has a few.



* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: Matt has a second conversation with Lantom, asking if he's damned if he's forced to kill Fisk.
--> '''Lantom:''' You have to ask yourself, are you wrestling with this because you don't want to kill this man, but have to, or because you don't have to kill this man, but want to? ... I don't think you went to speak with that woman for insight into how to kill this man. I think you went because you were looking for a reason not to.

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* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: Matt has a second conversation with Father Lantom, asking if he's damned if he's forced to kill Fisk.
--> '''Lantom:''' '''Father Lantom:''' You have to ask yourself, are you wrestling with this because you don't want to kill this man, but have to, or because you don't have to kill this man, but want to? ... I don't think you went to speak with that woman for insight into how to kill this man. I think you went because you were looking for a reason not to.

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* ManOnFire: Nobu, at the end of the fight. He doesn't seem remotely fazed by it, [[TakingYouWithMe continuing to attack Matt]] as he's burning. [[spoiler:And as season 2 reveals, he survives.]]

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* ManOnFire: Nobu, at the end of the fight. He doesn't seem remotely fazed by it, [[TakingYouWithMe continuing to attack Matt]] as he's burning. [[spoiler:And as [[spoiler:As season 2 reveals, he survives.]]
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: While Lantom's story about a priest being slaughtered during the genocide in Rwanda could easily have happened (many many priests and nuns were among the victims), it rather ignores the problematic role many Catholic clergy played in actually aiding and abetting the Hutus. One priest, for example, had his own church bulldozed with about 2,000 Tutsi refugees inside.
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* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: Matt has a second conversation with Lantom, asking if he's damned if he's forced to kill Lantom.

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* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: Matt has a second conversation with Lantom, asking if he's damned if he's forced to kill Lantom.Fisk.
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* EpicFlail: Nobu's WeaponOfChoice is the ''kyoketsu shoge.''

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* EpicFlail: Nobu's WeaponOfChoice weapon is the ''kyoketsu shoge.''
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* IsThatWhatTheyAreCallingItNow: Foggy got some information on the case from his ex.
-->'''Foggy:''' I did a little...backchanneling with Marci.
-->'''Karen:''' OK..[[BrainBleach eww!]] Just...what did you get?
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* ArtisticLicense: At the end of the episode, after stumbling upon the critically wounded Matt, Foggy places a call to 911, but hangs up after a few rings. Even if the call could get to that many rings before being answered, a 911 hang-up is called an abandoned call, and 911 services immediately follow up on these by either dispatching a police officer to the location (if available) or by calling the number back. Because Foggy is calling from his cell phone we can assume that the 911 dispatcher was not able to determine the address, but Foggy's phone doesn't ring afterward from the call-back. Often, abandoned calls are treated as domestic violence incidents or situations where the perpetrator has forced the caller to hang up, which would warrant a police response.

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* ArtisticLicense: At the end of the episode, after stumbling upon the critically wounded Matt, Foggy places a call to 911, but hangs up after a few rings. Even if the call could get to that many rings before being answered, a 911 hang-up is called an abandoned call, and 911 services immediately follow up on these by either dispatching a police officer to the location (if available) or by calling the number back. Because Foggy is calling from his cell phone we can assume that the 911 dispatcher was not able to determine the address, but Foggy's phone doesn't ring afterward from the call-back. Often, abandoned calls are treated as domestic violence incidents or situations where the perpetrator has forced the caller to hang up, which would warrant a police response.

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* TheEmpath: Vanessa reads Matthew perfectly when he shows up at the art gallery, leading him to a painting perfectly suited to his description of a "world on fire", a painting of a landscape in tonal reds.

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* TheEmpath: TheEmpath:
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Vanessa reads Matthew perfectly when he shows up at the art gallery, leading him to a painting perfectly suited to his description of a "world on fire", a painting of a landscape in tonal reds.reds.
** She also correctly pegs Matt as a ChickMagnet when guessing the reason a blind man wants to decorate his apartment is to impress female guests.
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-->'''Lantom:''' So the question you have to ask yourself is: are you struggling with the fact that you don't want to kill this man, but have to... or that you don't have to kill him, but want to?\\

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-->'''Lantom:''' So the question you have to ask yourself is: are you struggling with the fact that you don't want to kill this man, but have to... or that you don't have to kill him, but want to?\\to?
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew (''Like a muddied spring or polluted fountain is the righteous man who gives way before the wicked.'') and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.
-->'''Matt:''' Meaning righteous men have a duty to stand up to evil.\\
'''Lantom:''' One interpretation. Another is that when the righteous succumb to sin, it is as harmful as if the public well were poisoned. Because the darkness of such an act... of taking a life... will spread to friends, neighbors... the entire community.

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* AlternateAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew (''Like a muddied spring or polluted fountain is the righteous man who gives way before the wicked.'') wicked'') and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.
-->'''Matt:''' Meaning righteous men have a duty to stand up to evil.\\
'''Lantom:'''
evil.
-->'''Lantom:'''
One interpretation. Another is that when the righteous succumb to sin, it is as harmful as if the public well were poisoned. Because the darkness of such an act... of taking a life... will spread to friends, neighbors... the entire community.

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* AlternateAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.

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* AlternateAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew (''Like a muddied spring or polluted fountain is the righteous man who gives way before the wicked.'') and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.



Like a muddied spring or polluted fountain is the righteous man who gives way before the wicked.
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* AlternativeAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.

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* AlternativeAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: AlternateAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.

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* AlternativeAesopInterpretation[[invoked]]: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.
-->'''Matt:''' Meaning righteous men have a duty to stand up to evil.\\
'''Lantom:''' One interpretation. Another is that when the righteous succumb to sin, it is as harmful as if the public well were poisoned. Because the darkness of such an act... of taking a life... will spread to friends, neighbors... the entire community.



* {{YMMV}}: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.
-->'''Matt:''' Meaning righteous men have a duty to stand up to evil.\\
'''Lantom:''' One interpretation. Another is that when the righteous succumb to sin, it is as harmful as if the public well were poisoned. Because the darkness of such an act... of taking a life... will spread to friends, neighbors... the entire community.
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** Likewise when he leaves the bar after the gang [[DrowningMySorrows drown their sorrows]] after identifying Mrs. Cardenas's body. He leaves after saying, "I've had enough".
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* KickTheDog: {{Invoked}} by Fisk when he kills Mrs. Cardenas, intending to provoke Matt into coming after him.
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* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: Matt has a second conversation with Lantom, asking if he's damned if he's forced to kill Lantom.
--> '''Lantom:''' You have to ask yourself, are you wrestling with this because you don't want to kill this man, but have to, or because you don't have to kill this man, but want to? ... I don't think you went to speak with that woman for insight into how to kill this man. I think you went because you were looking for a reason not to.
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* ItsPersonal: Karen, Foggy, and Matt all get ''very'' emotional when Mrs. Cardenas is murdered... just as Fisk intended.
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Lantom is pretty good at his job.
-->'''Lantom:''' So the question you have to ask yourself is: are you struggling with the fact that you don't want to kill this man, but have to... or that you don't have to kill him, but want to?\\
Like a muddied spring or polluted fountain is the righteous man who gives way before the wicked.


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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Father Lantom demonstrates this ''in spades''. He's known since episode 1 what Matt was doing, and has been desperately hoping he could steer him on a better course... and recognizes that, given the shitty state of NYC, that could include throwing a few punches.


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* {{YMMV}}: Called out InUniverse when Lantom quotes a bible verse at Matthew and Matthew gives the standard interpretation.
-->'''Matt:''' Meaning righteous men have a duty to stand up to evil.\\
'''Lantom:''' One interpretation. Another is that when the righteous succumb to sin, it is as harmful as if the public well were poisoned. Because the darkness of such an act... of taking a life... will spread to friends, neighbors... the entire community.
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* IDidWhatIHadToDo: For all Lantom's willing to accept Pragmatic Heroism, he still draws hard lines.
-->'''Lantom:''' Another man's evil does not make you good. Men have used the atrocities of their enemies to justify their own throughout history.
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* PragmaticHero: Father Lantom lays it out pretty goddamn clear for Matt.
-->'''Lantom:''' There is a wide gulf between inaction and murder, Matthew.
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** Later, Lantom recognizes that Matt is wrestling with the possibility of killing Fisk.
-->'''Lantom:''' Few things are absolute, Matthew. Even Lucifer was once an angel. It's why judgment and vengeance are best left to God. Especially when murder is not in your heart\\
'''Matt:''' ... How do you know?\\
'''Lantom:''' You're ''here'', aren't you?

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