History Quotes / AnimationAgeGhetto

-->-- '''Creator/RalphBakshi''', [[http://www.awn.com/mag/issue4.04/4.04pages/bakshidrawing.php3 "Draw What You Want to Draw"]]

-->-- '''[[Webcomic/DinosaurComics Ryan North]]''', The Rant for [[http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1345 November 13 2008]].

-->--Creator/RogerEbert, ''WesternAnimation/TheLittleMermaid1989'' [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F19891117%2FREVIEWS%2F911170304%2F1023 review]]

-->-- '''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Miles Antwiler]]''' [[http://moviemoses.wordpress.com/2013/08/25/the-adventures-of-rocky-and-bullwinkle-2000-des-mcanuff/ on]] ''Film/TheAdventuresOfRockyAndBullwinkle''

-->-- '''John Carman''', in a ''San Francisco Chronicle'' [[http://articles.sfgate.com/1997-08-22/entertainment/17755500_1_tci-channels-cable-jazz article]] on a survey by cable provider TCI

-->-- [[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-reporter-animation-roundtable-tintin-275984 Gore Verbinski]]

-->-- ''[[Anime/PokemonTheOriginalSeries Pokémon]]'', ''Fantasy in your Pocket''

-->-- ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', ''Fantasy in your Pocket''

-->-- '''[[http://www.cartoonbrew.com/old-brew/the-reason-adult-swim-is-unwatchable.html Mike Lazzo]]'''; Creator/CartoonNetwork executive who is in charge of Creator/AdultSwim, which sort of explains why CN underwent its [[NetworkDecay decay]] during the late 2000's.

-->--- '''Creator/WaltDisney''' to people who miss the point of Classic Disney films

-->--- ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien''

'''[[Creator/PixarRegulars John Lasseter]]:''' But you never know whether it's gonna hit or not. We just trusted our own instinct, and made the kind of movies we wanted to see.\\

->''"Critics who treat "adult" as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adults themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence....When I was ten, I read fairytales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. [[Literature/TheBible When I became a man, I put away childish things]], including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."''

-->-- '''Is ''VideoGame/{{Fortnite}}'' Okay For Kids?''' from ''[[https://storyworks.scholastic.com/content/dam/classroom-magazines/storyworks/issues/2018-19/090118/isfortniteokforkids/STORYWORKS-090118-Debate-LL.pdf?magazineName=storyworks&promo_code=6498 Scholastic Storyworks]]

From the beginning, cartoons were always made for everyone. [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation Since]] [[TheRoaringTwenties the Twenties]] [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation through]] [[TheSixties Sixties]], animated shorts like the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes were played in movie theaters and drive-ins before films. Generally, it was for all ages. [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar Occasionally, inappropriate stuff was snuck in.]] [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfAnimation TV later became more prominent.]] Creator/{{Hanna Barbera}}'s studios made animation more and marketable towards children, since they felt adults wouldn't get past their more LimitedAnimation, and that's were the stigma came to be. [[Anime/GhostInTheShell Multiple attempts]] [[WesternAnimation/HeavyMetal have been]] [[Literature/AScannerDarkly made to make]] [[WesternAnimation/{{Nine}} more mature]], [[Manga/{{AKIRA}} theatrical animation]], but never did that break into mainstream success. [[ComedyGhetto At most, people accept animation as comedy, and they think there's only comedy in animation.]] [[Heartwarming/WesternAnimation It's, it's not.]] [[TearJerker/WesternAnimation No. Stupid.]]\\

->''"I do not make films [[JediTruth primarily for children.]] I make them for the child in all of us, whether we be six or sixty. Call the child innocence, although buried deeply it might be. In my work I try to reach and speak to that innocence, showing it the fun and joy of living; showing it that laughter is healthy; showing it that the human species, although happily ridiculous at times, is still reaching for the stars."''
-->--- '''[[Creator/WaltDisney Walt Disney]]''' to people who miss the point of Classic Disney films

-> ''"We knew adults really didn’t care about the quality of animation. With children, if you had something [[ViewersAreGoldfish brightly colored and moving]], you could make it go. But with adults, they become bored pretty quickly with the dancing brooms unless it’s exceedingly well done. From the start, words were more important than pictures."''

->''"These guys loved what we were doing. [[DoingItForTheArt They were free to create, to say anything and man, could they animate.]] Not the slick, boring, perfect stuff, but the "I really feel this scene" kinda stuff. I believe in what I am drawing. I believe in what I am drawing. What adult animation means to me [[AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark is not tits and ass]], but the right to animate any subject or idea you have and let the ratings fall where they may. All I wanted to do was animate the things I thought about and not the dolls they thought about."''

From the beginning, cartoons were always made for everyone. [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation Since]] [[TheRoaringTwenties the Twenties]] [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation through]] [[TheSixties Sixties]], animated shorts like the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes were played in movie theaters and drive-ins before films. Generally, it was for all ages. [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar Occasionally, inappropriate stuff was snuck in.]] [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfAnimation TV later became more prominent.]] Creator/{{Hanna Barbera}}'s studios made animation more and marketable towards children, since they felt adults wouldn't get past their more LimitedAnimation, and that's were the stigma came to be. [[Anime/GhostInTheShell Multiple attempts]] [[WesternAnimation/HeavyMetal have been]] [[Literature/AScannerDarkly made to make]] [[WesternAnimation/{{Nine}} more mature]], [[Manga/{{AKIRA}} theatrical animation]], but never did that break into mainstream success. [[AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark At most, people accept animation as comedy,]] [[ComedyGhetto and they think there's only comedy in animation.]] [[Heartwarming/WesternAnimation It's, it's not.]] [[TearJerker/WesternAnimation No. Stupid.]]\\

->''The animated features today and most TV cartoons are written by committees of people who try to figure out what entertains an audience. They should instead be written by entertaining people who already know because they entertain people everywhere they go in real life. That's why we have so much insincere non-entertainment crap like "Character-arcs", bad puns, ripoffs of famous movies in the guise of "parody", contrived pathos, [[DesperatelySeekingAPurposeInLife characters who try to find themselves]], [[FlatCharacter bland protagonists]], [[CardCarryingVillain one-shaded villains]], broadway style tuneless songs that "move the plot forward", in every damn feature. Anyone in the world can learn how to "write" this kind of stuff. It's not "story" or writing. It's just stuff.''
-->--Creator/JohnKricfalusi, [[Blog/JohnKStuff "Writing For Cartoons 3"]]

->''"These guys loved what we were doing. [[DoingItForTheArt They were free to create, to say anything and man, could they animate.]] Not the slick, boring, perfect stuff, but the "I really feel this scene" kinda stuff. I believe in what I am drawing. I believe in what I am drawing. What adult animation means to me is not tits and ass, but the right to animate any subject or idea you have and let the ratings fall where they may. All I wanted to do was animate the things I thought about and not the dolls they thought about."''

-->--Creator/RogerEbert, ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F19891117%2FREVIEWS%2F911170304%2F1023 review]]

''Now I'm not saying that everyone that watches these films feel this way. Again, I like some of [Disney's live-action] remakes. But when the ''[[WesternAnimation/TheLionKing2019 Lion King]]'' trailer came out, I saw quite a few comments about [[Disney/TheLionKing the original]] being meant for kids. And that ''sucks.'' It sucks so hard for the people who made the original movie, who poured their sweat, blood, and tears into making something truly incredible, only to have it ripped off and then spat on by viewers who think they're above it. I don't know what it will take to encourage more people that animation isn't exclusively for kids, but these remakes aren't helping. I mean, yeah, maybe some people might have their curiosity piqued and will go watch the originals, but I feel that for the majority of folks, it'll be the opposite, and that these kinds of movies will only further the stigma.''

-->--'''[[Webcomic/DinosaurComics Ryan North]]''', The Rant for [[http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1345 November 13 2008]].

-->--'''[[Franchise/AceAttorney Pearl Fey]]''' (Age 9), ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyJusticeForAll''

-->--'''[[WesternAnimation/YellowSubmarine Paul McCartney]]''', presenting the Golden Globe for Best Animated Feature. This also [[http://www.cartoonbrew.com/events/up-wins-golden-globe.html has not passed without comment]].

-->-- '''Creator/CSLewis'''

->''"Both those who make cartoon films and those who love them tend to have a certain immaturity to them"''
-->-- '''Creator/HayaoMiyazaki''', ''Thoughts on [[Creator/FleischerStudios Fleischer]]''

-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''VideoGame/GhostbustersTheVideoGame''

-->--'''[[Creator/HannaBarbera Joseph Barbera]]''', speaking about the watering-down of ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' for the 1975 cartoon show

->'''Kobayashi:''' ''"What are you talking about? [[StopBeingStereotypical You're saying I'm not allowed?"]]''
-->--Anime/{{Pokemon}}, ''Fantasy in your Pocket''

-->--''{{Series/Dinosaurs}}''

-->--''Gareth Lloyd'' - [[http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2014/10-dark-and-disturbing-animated-films-that-are-worth-your-time/ 10 Dark and Disturbing Animated Films That Are Worth Your Time]]

->''"People think of animation only doing things where people are dancing around and doing a lot of histrionics, but animation is not a genre. And people keep saying, 'The animation genre.' It's not a genre! [[TheWestern A Western]] is a genre! Animation is an art form, and it can do any genre. You know, it can do a detective film, a cowboy film, a horror film, an R-rated film, or a kids’ fairy tale. But it doesn't do one thing. [[BerserkButton And, next time I hear, 'What's it like working in the animation genre?' I'm going to punch that person!]]"''

-->-- '''[[https://twitter.com/sam_animeherald/status/1227324979525701633 Samantha Ferreira]], responding to [[https://twitter.com/MEdwardsVA/status/1226962652032905216 a tweet]] criticizing

-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIFFHe4tvOkpQXexgdYoIHw GSDBoxer]]''', [[https://youtu.be/HvOoTwXIUTE reacting]] to the scenario "Lost" in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/CreepyCastle Creepy Castle]].

->''Despite all the amazing progress that has been made, many people still view animation as something meant for kids, that grown-ups are "too mature for these childish things"--especially old Creator/{{Disney}} movies. But these films aren't ''animated.'' They're made with real people, popular actors that I love, so ''of course'' I'm gonna go see them!''
->''Now I'm not saying that everyone that watches these films feel this way. Again, I like some of [Disney's live-action] remakes. But when the ''[[WesternAnimation/TheLionKing2019 Lion King]]'' trailer came out, I saw quite a few comments about [[Disney/TheLionKing the original]] being meant for kids. And that ''sucks.'' It sucks so hard for the people who made the original movie, who poured their sweat, blood, and tears into making something truly incredible, only to have it ripped off and then spat on by viewers who think they're above it. I don't know what it will take to encourage more people that animation isn't exclusively for kids, but these remakes aren't helping. I mean, yeah, maybe some people might have their curiosity piqued and will go watch the originals, but I feel that for the majority of folks, it'll be the opposite, and that these kinds of movies will only further the stigma.''

->''"[[Wiki/TVTropes The site]] prides itself on covering as broad a range of fiction as possible, emerging as a sometimes fascinating form of populist, open-access media scholarship. In theory, this would make it the perfect place to cover lost gems of animation, but in practice it has many blind spots. There is little discussion about [[Creator/JanSvankmajer (Jan) Svankmajer]] or [[Film/PropertyOfTheRepublic Yuri]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taltn1aLtsM Norstein]], while juvenile mediocrities such as {{Creator/Disney}}'s {{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}} are treated as masterpieces on a par with the television dramas of [[Series/PenniesFromHeaven Dennis]] [[Series/TheSingingDetective Potter]] and [[Creator/DavidSimon David]] [[Series/TheWire Simon]]. TV Tropes has a page devoted to what it calls the Animation Age Ghetto, which gives a reasonable if scattershot overview of the subject. The page's "examples" section, however, consists in large part of people filibustering about how their favorite superhero cartoons never caught on. The main reason that most of these cartoons never attracted adult audiences, of course, is that [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids they are simply not for adults.]]"''
-->--Blog/CartoonBrew writer '''Neil Emmett''', during his post [[http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/how-can-we-make-adult-animation-truly-adult-86385.html "How Can We Make Adult Animation Truly Adult?"]], and ripping on Wiki/ThisVeryWiki in the process.

->''"This [[VideoGame/BackToTheFuture isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened]]. People or properties more commonly associated with famous movies, books, birthday card messages, et cetera, decide to grace the video game industry with their presence and everyone's all like, "Oooh! Show us how it's done, great sensei, because we've honestly ''been guessing up until now!''" It belies not only the endless disrespect video games receive, but also gaming's collective self-esteem problem."''

->''Now I'm not saying that everyone that watches these films feel this way. Again, I like some of [Disney's live-action] remakes. But when the ''[[Film/TheLionKing2019 Lion King]]'' trailer came out, I saw quite a few comments about [[Disney/TheLionKing the original]] being meant for kids. And that ''sucks.'' It sucks so hard for the people who made the original movie, who poured their sweat, blood, and tears into making something truly incredible, only to have it ripped off and then spat on by viewers who think they're above it. I don't know what it will take to encourage more people that animation isn't exclusively for kids, but these remakes aren't helping. I mean, yeah, maybe some people might have their curiosity piqued and will go watch the originals, but I feel that for the majority of folks, it'll be the opposite, and that these kinds of movies will only further the stigma.''

-->-- '''Is ''VideoGame/{{Fortnite}}'' Okay For Kids?''' from ''[[https://storyworks.scholastic.com/content/dam/classroom-magazines/storyworks/issues/2018-19/090118/isfortniteokforkids/STORYWORKS-090118-Debate-LL.pdf?magazineName=storyworks&promo_code=6498 ''Scholastic Storyworks'']]

-->-- '''Is ''VideoGame/{{Fortnite}}'' Okay For Kids?''' from ''[[https://storyworks.scholastic.com/content/dam/classroom-magazines/storyworks/issues/2018-19/090118/isfortniteokforkids/STORYWORKS-090118-Debate-LL.pdf?magazineName=storyworks&promo_code=6498 Scholastic Storyworks'']]

-->-- '''Is ''VideoGame/{{Fortnite}}'' Okay For Kids?''', ''Scholastic Storyworks''

-->-- Alice Mitchell ''Series/DennisTheMenace''.

->'''Earl:''' Yeah, you'd think that because they're puppets, so the show seems to have a children's aesthetic, yet the dialogue is unquestionably sharp-edged, witty, and thematically skewed to adults.

->'''Fran:''' They look like puppets. I'm not watching.