History Quotes / AnimationAgeGhetto

From the beginning, cartoons were always made for everyone. [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation Since]] TheTwenties [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation through]] [[TheSixties Sixties]], animated shorts like the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes were played in movie theaters and drive-ins before films. Generally, it was for all ages. [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar Occasionally, inappropriate stuff was snuck in.]] [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfAnimation TV later became more prominent.]] Creator/{{Hanna Barbera}}'s studios made animation more and marketable towards children, since they felt adults wouldn't get past their more LimitedAnimation, and that's were the stigma came to be. [[Anime/GhostInTheShell Multiple attempts]] [[WesternAnimation/HeavyMetal have been]] [[Literature/AScannerDarkly made to make]] [[WesternAnimation/{{Nine}} more mature]], [[Manga/{{AKIRA}} theatrical animation]], but never did that break into mainstream success. [[AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark At most, people accept animation as comedy,]] [[ComedyGhetto and they think there's only comedy in animation.]] [[Heartwarming/WesternAnimation It's, it's not.]] [[TearJerker/WesternAnimation No. Stupid.]]\\

-->--- '''[[Creator/WaltDisney Walter Elias Disney]]''' to people who miss the point of Classic Disney films

-->--'''[[Webcomic/DinosaurComics Ryan North]]''', [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome The Rant]] for [[http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1345 November 13 2008]].

-->-- '''Creator/WaltDisney''', upon seeing the movie adaptation of ''Literature/ToKillAMockingbird''

->''Despite all the amazing progress that has been made, many people still view animation as something meant for kids, that grown-ups are "too mature for these childish things"--especially old Creator/{{Disney}} movies. But these films aren't ''animated.'' They're made with real people, popular actors that I love, so ''of course'' I'm gonna go see them!

-->-- '''Creator/RalphBakshi''', [[http://www.awn.com/mag/issue4.04/4.04pages/bakshidrawing.php3 "Draw What You Want To Draw"]]

->''"People think of animation only doing things where people are dancing around and doing a lot of histrionics, but animation is not a genre. And people keep saying, 'The animation genre.' It’s not a genre! [[TheWestern A Western]] is a genre! Animation is an art form, and it can do any genre. You know, it can do a detective film, a cowboy film, a horror film, an R-rated film or a kids’ fairy tale. But it doesn't do one thing. [[BerserkButton And, next time I hear, 'What's it like working in the animation genre?' I'm going to punch that person!]]"''

-->--TheMysteriousMrEnter, on ''Madballs: Gross Jokes''. [[http://vimeo.com/87530500 'Top Ten Worst Episodes I've Reviewed (Year 1)']]

-->-- Alice Mitchell ''ComicStrip/DennisTheMenace''.

-->-- '''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Miles Antwiler]]''' [[http://moviemoses.wordpress.com/2013/08/25/the-adventures-of-rocky-and-bullwinkle-2000-des-mcanuff/ on]] ''Film/RockyAndBullwinkle''

-->--Blog/CartoonBrew writer '''Neil Emmett''', during his post [[http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/how-can-we-make-adult-animation-truly-adult-86385.html "How Can We Make Adult Animation Truly Adult?"]], and ripping on ThisVeryWiki in the process.

->''"People think of animation only doing things where people are dancing around and doing a lot of histrionics, but animation is not a genre. And people keep saying, ‘The animation genre.’ It’s not a genre! A Western is a genre! Animation is an art form, and it can do any genre. You know, it can do a detective film, a cowboy film, a horror film, an R-rated film or a kids’ fairy tale. But it doesn’t do one thing. [[BerserkButton And, next time I hear, ‘What’s it like working in the animation genre?’ I’m going to punch that person!]]”''

->''"Honey, they didn't have any Franchise/{{Digimon}} stuff, so I got this thing called [[{{Urotsukidouji}} Legend of the Overfiend]]. Is that okay?"''
-->--'''[[WebVideo/WhatTheFuckIsWrongWithYou Nash Bozard]]'''

Then there's people who think a cartoon can't have a good story. If a story was good, it shouldn't matter if it's animated. Stupid. If anything, that should value it more. Can you do [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann this]]? I don't think so! [[UsefulNotes/AdobeFlash Hang on let me push the "Make a Cartoon" button on my]] {{Macintosh}}. Animation is a massive group project. Every single object has to be designed. Basic stuff you take for granted requires far more effort than you's expect. People spend their whole life learning to art. No-one's born being a good draw-er.\\

-->--Blog/CartoonBrew writer '''Neil Emmett''', during his post [[http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/how-can-we-make-adult-animation-truly-adult-86385.html "How Can We Make Adult Animation Truly Adult?"]]

-->-- '''WaltDisney'''

-->--- '''[[WaltDisney Walter Elias Disney]]''' to people who miss the point of Classic Disney films

->''Animation and film in this country really started back in the day with two different styles of performing: {{Melodrama}} (if you look to your classical black-and-white silent films, ''Film/{{The Birth of a Nation|1915}}'', Creator/DWGriffith stuff) and vaudeville (Creator/BusterKeaton, Creator/CharlieChaplin); and if you look at animation, it's pretty similar. The WarnerBros, WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes stuff tends to be the vaudevillian, Daffy Duck-fall-on-his-face kind of thing, and [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney]] tends to be the melodrama. But Disney was obsessed with doing childhood fantasy, and that became sort of the dominant theme for animation. So, animation in this country sort of got equated with one genre; the entire medium of animation in America kind of got associated with this one genre- "for children," [[TropeCodifier and that's pretty much because of Disney]]. The only alternative, then, is the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes sort of "irreverent animation", which then turns into ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', where it's going to be very adult, {{Satire}} sort of storytelling, and there's a wasteland in the middle.''

->''"[[TVTropes The site]] prides itself on covering as broad a range of fiction as possible, emerging as a sometimes fascinating form of populist, open-access media scholarship. In theory, this would make it the perfect place to cover lost gems of animation, but in practice it has many blind spots. There is little discussion about [[Creator/JanSvankmajer (Jan) Svankmajer]] or [[Film/PropertyOfTheRepublic Yuri]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taltn1aLtsM Norstein]], while juvenile mediocrities such as {{Creator/Disney}}'s {{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}} are treated as masterpieces on a par with the television dramas of [[Series/PenniesFromHeaven Dennis]] [[Series/TheSingingDetective Potter]] and [[Creator/DavidSimon David]] [[Series/TheWire Simon]]. TV Tropes has a page devoted to what it calls the Animation Age Ghetto, which gives a reasonable if scattershot overview of the subject. The page's "examples" section, however, consists in large part of people filibustering about how their favorite superhero cartoons never caught on. The main reason that most of these cartoons never attracted adult audiences, of course, is that [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids they are simply not for adults.]]"''

-->-- '''Daniel B. Kline''', [[http://www.wickedlocal.com/swampscott/news/lifestyle/columnists/x124609719/DAN-KLINE-COLUMN-Movie-critics-have-lost-all-credibility on]] {{Pixar}}'s ''WesternAnimation/{{Up}}''. Thankfully, [[BerserkButton this has not passed without comment]] here in Troperville (including this very article).

-> "There are shackles with the budgets and the profit margins. You want to compete with what they’re doing at {{Pixar}} and Creator/DreamWorks. There’s a price tag with that just in terms of achieving that quality level. What happened to the Creator/{{Ralph Bakshi}}s of the world? We’re all sitting here talking about family entertainment. Does animation have to be family entertainment? I think at that cost, yes. (...) What I’m saying is we could make animation that’s not for the kids to see, too. I don’t think you want to say, “Hey, bring your family to this movie that’s inappropriate.” But animation can be so much more if we let those boundaries loose."

->''"It’s not a genre! A Western is a genre! Animation is an art form, and it can do any genre. You know, it can do a detective film, a cowboy film, a horror film, an R-rated film or a kids’ fairy tale. But it doesn’t do one thing. [[BerserkButton And, next time I hear, ‘What’s it like working in the animation genre?’ I’m going to punch that person!]]”''

'''[[Literature/WhereTheWildThingsAre Maurice]] [[Literature/LittleBear Sendak]]:''' I don't write for children.\\

->''"A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest."''

-->-- '''Hardcore Gaming 101''' on ''Gimmick!'', a [[NintendoHard tough-as-nails]] [[PlatformHell platformer]]... or at least on the reviews by Electronic Gaming Monthly, who mostly dismissed it as a poor, easy Franchise/{{Kirby}} clone.

->''Animation and film in this country really started back in the day with two different styles of performing: {{Melodrama}} (if you look to your classical black-and-white silent films, ''Film/TheBirthOfANation'', Creator/DWGriffith stuff) and vaudeville (Creator/BusterKeaton, Creator/CharlieChaplin); and if you look at animation, it's pretty similar. The WarnerBros, WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes stuff tends to be the vaudevillian, Daffy Duck-fall-on-his-face kind of thing, and [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney]] tends to be the melodrama. But Disney was obsessed with doing childhood fantasy, and that became sort of the dominant theme for animation. So, animation in this country sort of got equated with one genre; the entire medium of animation in America kind of got associated with this one genre- "for children," [[TropeCodifier and that's pretty much because of Disney]]. The only alternative, then, is the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes sort of "irreverent animation", which then turns into ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', where it's going to be very adult, {{Satire}} sort of storytelling, and there's a wasteland in the middle.''

->''"I know in Hollywood there is a perceived hierarchy of movies and doing something live-action is somehow better than an animated movie. It is why ''Anime/{{Akira}}'' can never be left alone and every year we get the "''AKIRA'' is being made live action!!!" news headline. But in an age where movies like ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'' are crushing other live-action movies (or in the case of an already existing franchise, ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' animated movie) I don't get what the fetish is. People just haven't learned. There are things you can get away with in cartoons that you just can't in real life. The [[Film/ScoobyDoo real life Scooby gang]] looks friggin' stupid, ''[[Film/TheFlintstones The Flintstones]]'' looked hideous, and a real life Homer Simpson would be a wide-awake nightmare."''

->When are you too old to be watching cartoons? Answer: whenever I feel like! I deserve to watch whatever I feel like. You know why? Because [[WesternAnimation this]], [[MST3KMantra it's just a TV show.]] Maybe you'll [[EdutainmentShow learn something from it]], but just for enjoying a [[{{UsefulNotes/Television}} TV show]], [[VideoGame game]], [[{{Film}} movie]], [[{{Music}} song]], in the privacy of your home doesn't define you. It won't make you an inferior or superior person. You say [[AnimationAgeGhetto cartoons are for kids]] because of [[UsefulNotes/MediaClassifications that age rating]] in the same way [[Film/TheDarkKnight a PG-13 movie]] is made for 13-year-olds and no-one else is allowed to watch them, no-one. The age rating doesn't mean it's ''made'' for kids, it's that it's ''appropriate'' for kids. [[MaturityIsSeriousBusiness Choosing to only enjoy stuff rated for an older audience doesn't at all make you more mature, it just means your insecure about what others think of you over such trivial things.]]\\