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* '''Played For Horror''': TheMenInBlack will make sure that you never become an obstacle to whatever directives they follow by making the threatening information ([[{{Unperson}} and you]]) disappear from the face of the Earth.
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** The heroes refuse to co-operate with/ take orders from TheMenInBlack, because why should they listen to them if they don't officially exist?
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** The heroes refuse to co-operate with/ take with/take orders from TheMenInBlack, because why should they listen to them if they don't officially exist?
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** The heroes refuse to co-operate/ take orders from TheMenInBlack, because why should they listen to them if they don't officially exist?
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** The heroes refuse to co-operate/ co-operate with/ take orders from TheMenInBlack, because why should they listen to them if they don't officially exist?
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** The heroes refuse to co-operate/ take orders from the Accountability Bureau, because why should they listen to the agency if it doesn't exist?
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** The heroes refuse to co-operate/ take orders from the Accountability Bureau, TheMenInBlack, because why should they listen to the agency them if it doesn't they don't officially exist?
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** The heroes refuse to co-operate/ take orders from the Accountability Bureau, because why should they listen to the agency if it doesn't exist?
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* '''Subverted''': Someone in the chain of bureaucracy creating them [[HeelFaceTurn has an attack of conscience]] and reveals the organization.
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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
** Someone in the chain of bureaucracy creating them [[HeelFaceTurn has an attack of conscience]] and reveals the organization.
** Someone in the chain of bureaucracy creating them [[HeelFaceTurn has an attack of conscience]] and reveals the organization.
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** The government is ambiguious in regards to official stances on whether TheMenInBlack exist, neither explicitly confirming or denying that they are.
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** The government is ambiguious ambiguous in regards to official stances on whether TheMenInBlack exist, neither explicitly confirming or denying that they are.
** The Accountability Bureau doesn't exist as an organization - because it consists of [[InternalAffairs undercover members]] [[InsistentTerminology embedded throughout existing departments]]. It is openly on the books along with the number managed by certain officials even if the precise identities are usually obscured [[GodzillaThreshold unless it is a matter important enough to openly expose their membership by testifying in a trial]] and either retire from the Accountability Bureau or enter WitnessProtection.
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** The lack of knowledge leads to massive RightHandVsLeftHand incidents. As far as the open government is concerned the Alien Police are highly dangerous organized crime with a bizzare agenda.
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** The lack of knowledge leads to massive RightHandVsLeftHand incidents. As far as the open government is concerned the Alien Police are a highly dangerous organized crime group with a bizzare bizarre agenda.
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* '''Downplayed''': The government denies that TheMenInBlack exist, but their existence is an OpenSecret.
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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
** The government denies that TheMenInBlack exist, but their existence is anOpenSecret.OpenSecret.
** The government is ambiguious in regards to official stances on whether TheMenInBlack exist, neither explicitly confirming or denying that they are.
** The government denies that TheMenInBlack exist, but their existence is an
** The government is ambiguious in regards to official stances on whether TheMenInBlack exist, neither explicitly confirming or denying that they are.
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* '''Reconstructed''': On the other hand, having no official status means you're also free to do operations that [[ObstructiveBureaucrat red tape]] would make impossible otherwise.
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* '''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
** The work-for-hire is (at least partly) necessary since thanks to a new push on cracking down on graft and other "sweetheart deals" it's been more difficult for the Agency to get the funding it needs to operate - can't exactly petition or run a PR campaign for more funds if you don't officially exist.
** On the other hand, having no official status means you're also free to do operations that [[ObstructiveBureaucrat red tape]] would make impossible otherwise.
** The work-for-hire is (at least partly) necessary since thanks to a new push on cracking down on graft and other "sweetheart deals" it's been more difficult for the Agency to get the funding it needs to operate - can't exactly petition or run a PR campaign for more funds if you don't officially exist.
** On the other hand, having no official status means you're also free to do operations that [[ObstructiveBureaucrat red tape]] would make impossible otherwise.
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* '''Invoked''': When TheMenInBlack are first created, the program heads decide to leave as few traces as possible so that they have PlausibleDeniability for their controversial, illegal, or [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow plain mind-shattering]] actions and operations.
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* '''Invoked''': When TheMenInBlack are first created, the program heads decide to leave as few traces as possible so that they have PlausibleDeniability for their controversial, illegal, or [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow plain mind-shattering]] actions and operations.
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* '''Played For Drama''': TheMenInBlack [[IWasNeverHere have to sever all ties with the society]] [[Film/MenInBlack when they join the agency]], [[WhatYouAreInTheDark resist sliding into depravity due to their lack of accountability]], [[TheMasquerade and live with the fact that no matter how heroic, selfless, and important to the world's safety their action are]], [[DudeWheresMyRespect they will never be recognized as heroes.]]
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* '''Played For Drama''': TheMenInBlack [[IWasNeverHere have to sever all ties with the society]] [[Film/MenInBlack when they join the agency]], [[WhatYouAreInTheDark resist sliding into depravity due to their lack of accountability]], [[TheMasquerade and live with the fact that no matter how heroic, selfless, and important to the world's safety their action are]], [[DudeWheresMyRespect they will never be recognized as heroes.]]heroes]].
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* '''Inverted''': The MenInBlack officially exists on the books. However it is a complete fabrication created to embezzle taxpayer money.
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* '''Inverted''': The MenInBlack TheMenInBlack officially exists on the books. However it is a complete fabrication created to embezzle taxpayer money.
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* '''Played For Drama''': TheMenInBlack [[UnPerson have to sever all ties with the society]] [[Film/MenInBlack when they join the agency]], [[WhatYouAreInTheDark resist sliding into depravity due to their lack of accountability]], [[TheMasquerade and live with the fact that no matter how heroic, selfless, and important to the world's safety their action are]], [[DudeWheresMyRespect they will never be recognized as heroes.]]
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* '''Played For Drama''': TheMenInBlack [[UnPerson [[IWasNeverHere have to sever all ties with the society]] [[Film/MenInBlack when they join the agency]], [[WhatYouAreInTheDark resist sliding into depravity due to their lack of accountability]], [[TheMasquerade and live with the fact that no matter how heroic, selfless, and important to the world's safety their action are]], [[DudeWheresMyRespect they will never be recognized as heroes.]]
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* '''Invoked''': ???When TheMenInBlack are first created, the program heads decide to leave as few traces as possible so that they have PlausibleDeniability for their controversial, illegal, or [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow plain mind-shattering]] actions and operations.
* '''Played For Drama''': TheMenInBlack [[UnPerson have to sever all ties with the society]] [[Film/MenInBlack when they join the agency]], [[WhatYouAreInTheDark resist sliding into depravity due to their lack of accountability]], [[TheMasquerade and live with the fact that no matter how heroic, selfless, and important to the world's safety their action are]], [[DudeWheresMyRespect they will never be recognized as heroes.]]
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* '''Lampshaded''': ??? "Mommy, who are those men in black suits?" "Hush, Bobby. They don't really exist, so you shouldn't look at them."
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* '''Downplayed''': See The government denies that TheMenInBlack exist, but their existence is an OpenSecret.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???The nature of the organization changes, as does it's status (official, unofficial, or nonexistant), as the story progresses.
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* '''Lampshaded''': ??????
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The MenInBlack officially exists on the books. However it is a complete fabrication created to embezzle taxpayer money.
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Someone in the chain of bureaucracy creating them [[HeelFaceTurn has an attack of conscience]] and reveals the organization.
* '''Double Subverted''':???But he is eliminated before he can do so.
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* '''Exploited''': ???Knowing that TheMenInBlack don't officially exist and witnessing them crossing the MoralEventHorizon Alice kills every one she sees and destroys their bases with legal impunity.
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* '''Played For Laughs''': TheMenInBlack get nothing done because all of their conversations turn into denying that they exist. At best they end up doing the opposite of what was meant due to every order including ConfusingMultipleNegatives. If they even recognize the orders.
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Not the job of the CBO.
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** See OpenSecret.
** TheMenInBlack are known to the Congressional Budget Office because they have to authorize their funding every year.
** See OpenSecret.
** TheMenInBlack are known to the Congressional Budget Office because they have to authorize their funding every year.
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**'''Downplayed''': See OpenSecret.
** TheMenInBlack are known to the Congressional Budget Office because they have to authorize their funding every year.OpenSecret.
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** TheMenInBlack are known to the Congressional Budget Office because they have to authorize their funding every year.
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The main page does not exist. Even if it did, [[NoSuchAgency we wouldn't link to it]].[[note]][[LogicBomb Wait a minute...]][[/note]]
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[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial The main page does not exist. exist.]] Even if it did, [[NoSuchAgency we wouldn't link to it]].[[note]][[LogicBomb Wait a minute...]][[/note]]
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'''Basic Trope''': An organization that officially doesn't exist.
* '''Straight''': The government denies that TheMenInBlack exist.
* '''Exaggerated''': TheMenInBlack are so secret even the government is unaware they exist.
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** See OpenSecret.
** TheMenInBlack are known to the Congressional Budget Office because they have to authorize their funding every year.
* '''Justified''': The operations undertaken by TheMenInBlack are illegal under international law, so them not officially existing means that the government has PlausibleDeniability.
* '''Inverted''': ???
* '''Subverted''': ???
* '''Double Subverted''': ???
* '''Parodied''': The government continues to deny that TheMenInBlack exist even after said Men hold a press conference.
* '''Zig Zagged''': ???
* '''Averted''': The existence of the TheMenInBlack is publicly acknowledged even though the details of their operations are still classified.
* '''Enforced''': The writers think secret organizations are cool.
* '''Lampshaded''': ???
* '''Invoked''': ???
* '''Exploited''': ???
* '''Defied''': The creator of TheMenInBlack program establishes it as a publicly acknowledged agency to ensure that [[AFatherToHisMen his men get support]] and that the program heads are kept in line.
* '''Discussed''': [[Series/StargateSG1 "These teams will operate on a covert, top-secret basis. No one outside of this facility is to know of their existence other than the President and the Joint Chiefs."]]
* '''Conversed''': "You ''do'' realize they wrote TheMenInBlack so they don't officially exist, right?"
* '''Deconstructed''':
** The agency head decides that since his agency has no official status, it can't be easily shut down, and [[Series/{{Nikita}} he turns it into work-for-hire]].
** TheMenInBlack having no official status means their agents can count on having absolutely no support if captured.
* '''Reconstructed''': On the other hand, having no official status means you're also free to do operations that [[ObstructiveBureaucrat red tape]] would make impossible otherwise.
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* '''Straight''': The government denies that TheMenInBlack exist.
* '''Exaggerated''': TheMenInBlack are so secret even the government is unaware they exist.
* '''Downplayed''':
** See OpenSecret.
** TheMenInBlack are known to the Congressional Budget Office because they have to authorize their funding every year.
* '''Justified''': The operations undertaken by TheMenInBlack are illegal under international law, so them not officially existing means that the government has PlausibleDeniability.
* '''Inverted''': ???
* '''Subverted''': ???
* '''Double Subverted''': ???
* '''Parodied''': The government continues to deny that TheMenInBlack exist even after said Men hold a press conference.
* '''Zig Zagged''': ???
* '''Averted''': The existence of the TheMenInBlack is publicly acknowledged even though the details of their operations are still classified.
* '''Enforced''': The writers think secret organizations are cool.
* '''Lampshaded''': ???
* '''Invoked''': ???
* '''Exploited''': ???
* '''Defied''': The creator of TheMenInBlack program establishes it as a publicly acknowledged agency to ensure that [[AFatherToHisMen his men get support]] and that the program heads are kept in line.
* '''Discussed''': [[Series/StargateSG1 "These teams will operate on a covert, top-secret basis. No one outside of this facility is to know of their existence other than the President and the Joint Chiefs."]]
* '''Conversed''': "You ''do'' realize they wrote TheMenInBlack so they don't officially exist, right?"
* '''Deconstructed''':
** The agency head decides that since his agency has no official status, it can't be easily shut down, and [[Series/{{Nikita}} he turns it into work-for-hire]].
** TheMenInBlack having no official status means their agents can count on having absolutely no support if captured.
* '''Reconstructed''': On the other hand, having no official status means you're also free to do operations that [[ObstructiveBureaucrat red tape]] would make impossible otherwise.
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