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* '''Parodied''':
** Bob is TheDitz.
** [[WomenAreWiser Alice]] ends up ParentingTheHusband as much as [[FreeRangeChildren (or more than)]] her kids.

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* '''Parodied''':
** Bob is TheDitz.
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'''Parodied''': [[WomenAreWiser Alice]] ends up ParentingTheHusband as much as [[ParentingTheHusband parenting Bob]] more often than [[FreeRangeChildren (or more than)]] her kids.kids]].

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* '''Exaggerated''': Bob is an incompetent {{manchild}} who is TooDumbToLive. His wife and kids are [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParent embarrassed]] to be around him.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Bob is an incompetent {{manchild}} who is TooDumbToLive. His wife and kids are [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParent [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents embarrassed]] to be around him.



* '''Inverted''':
** Bob is a StandardFiftiesFather.
** Alternatively, Alice is MaternallyChallenged.

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* '''Inverted''':
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'''Inverted''': Bob is a StandardFiftiesFather.
** Alternatively, * '''Gender Inverted''': Alice is MaternallyChallenged.



** Bob is a GeniusDitz and his moment of intelligence corresponded to his being asked a question in his area of expertise.



* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob is a very loving and attentive father, and he's also extremely good at his job and is an excellent provider. The problem is that he's also as stubborn as a mule when it comes to trying to fix something himself when it breaks down, rather than calling a professional. [[DoomItYourself On those occasions, his competence flies completely out the window.]]

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* '''Zig Zagged''': '''Zig-Zagged''': Bob is a very loving and attentive father, and he's also extremely good at his job and is an excellent provider. The problem is that he's also as stubborn as a mule when it comes to trying to fix something himself when it breaks down, rather than calling a professional. [[DoomItYourself On those occasions, his competence flies completely out the window.]] ]]



** "[[Series/TheWaltons All]] [[Series/LeaveItToBeaver those]] [[Series/TheBradyBunch perfect]] DomCom families on TV...[[TastesLikeDiabetes they make me sick]]! I'll make a DysfunctionalFamily, with a [[TheFool blithering]] [[TheDitz idiot]] as its head!"
** One of the parents needs to be somewhat on the ball for the sake of ConservationOfCompetence, and you want the characterisations to be relatively consistent rather than a constant game of IdiotBall. You know that every time the dad is shown to be somehow "superior" to his wife, you'll have a protracted battle with the MoralGuardians, but [[DoubleStandard not so the other way around]]. What are you gonna do?

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** "[[Series/TheWaltons All]] [[Series/LeaveItToBeaver those]] [[Series/TheBradyBunch perfect]] DomCom families on TV...TV ... [[TastesLikeDiabetes they make me sick]]! I'll make a DysfunctionalFamily, with a [[TheFool blithering]] [[TheDitz idiot]] as its head!"
** One of the parents needs to be somewhat on the ball for the sake of ConservationOfCompetence, and you want the characterisations to be relatively consistent rather than a constant game of IdiotBall. You know that every time the dad is shown to be somehow "superior" to his wife, the mom, you'll have a protracted battle with the MoralGuardians, but [[DoubleStandard not so the other way around]]. What are you gonna do?



** Alternately, Bob decides, "Enough fooling around; I'm expecting kids soon.", and spends more time with Alice. He also learns basic household chores from her...

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** Alternately, Bob decides, "Enough fooling around; I'm expecting kids soon.", soon," and spends more time with Alice. He also learns basic household chores from her...her.



* '''Conversed''': "Seriously? Another bumbling dad show? I'd like to see a competent, take charge father on a sitcom for a change."
* '''Deconstructed''': Bob's stupidity and lack of responsibility has a decisively negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfunctional) family. In the end, Alice questions what she even saw in him in the first place and sues for a divorce.

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* '''Conversed''': "Seriously? Another bumbling dad show? I'd like to see a competent, take charge take-charge father on a sitcom for a change."
* '''Deconstructed''': Bob's stupidity and lack of responsibility has a decisively negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfunctional) family. In the end, Alice questions [[WhatDoesSheSeeInHim what she even saw in him him]] in the first place and sues for a divorce. divorce.



* '''Played For Drama''': Bob's mistakes and selfishness negatively affect his family.
* '''Played For Laughs''': Bob's mistakes are the very reason HilarityEnsues in this story. He probably earns a living as a clown for hire because it's the best he can do with his ineptitude... and he's a runaway success at that.
* '''Played For Horror''': Bob is not just a {{Manchild}}, but a ''PsychopathicManchild'', LethallyStupid and actively hates being tied down. His family fears the day he will somehow get them all killed and the last thing they will ever hear on Earth will be something along the lines of "[[Series/FamilyMatters Did I do that?]]"

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* '''Played For for Drama''': Bob's mistakes and selfishness negatively affect his family.
* '''Played For for Laughs''': Bob's mistakes are the very reason why HilarityEnsues in this story. He probably earns a living as a clown for hire because it's the best he can do with his ineptitude...ineptitude ... and he's a runaway success at that.
* '''Played For for Horror''': Bob is not just a {{Manchild}}, but a ''PsychopathicManchild'', LethallyStupid and actively hates being tied down. His family fears the day he will somehow get them all killed and the last thing they will ever hear on Earth will be something along the lines of "[[Series/FamilyMatters Did I do that?]]"that?]]"
* '''Implied''': Bob is referred to alongside his more accomplished wife and children in a MyFriendsAndZoidberg manner.



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** "You're going to be a competent father even if I have to keep [[ShotgunWedding this damn shotgun]] pointed at your head for the rest of your days, [[PapaWolf son]]!"
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* '''Played For Horror''': Bob is not just a {{Manchild}}, but a ''PsychopathicManchild'', LethallyStupid and actively hates being tied down. His family fears the day he will somehow get them all killed and his last words will be something along the lines of "[[Series/FamilyMatters Did I do that?]]"

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* '''Played For Horror''': Bob is not just a {{Manchild}}, but a ''PsychopathicManchild'', LethallyStupid and actively hates being tied down. His family fears the day he will somehow get them all killed and his the last words thing they will ever hear on Earth will be something along the lines of "[[Series/FamilyMatters Did I do that?]]"
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* '''Played For Laughs''': Bob's mistakes are the very reason HilarityEnsues in this story. He probably earns a living as a clown for hire because it's the best he can do with his ineptitude... and he's a runaway success at that.
* '''Played For Horror''': Bob is not just a {{Manchild}}, but a ''PsychopathicManchild'', LethallyStupid and actively hates being tied down. His family fears the day he will somehow get them all killed and his last words will be something along the lines of "[[Series/FamilyMatters Did I do that?]]"
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** But it turns out, he was really that dumb. When he seemed smart, he was FeigningIntelligence

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** But it turns out, he was really that dumb. When he seemed smart, he was FeigningIntelligenceFeigningIntelligence.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Bob's stupidity and lack of responsibility has a decisively negative effect children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfunctional) family. In the end, Alice questions what she even saw in him in the first place and sues for a divorce.

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* '''Deconstructed''': Bob's stupidity and lack of responsibility has a decisively negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfunctional) family. In the end, Alice questions what she even saw in him in the first place and sues for a divorce.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Can have a negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfunctional) family.

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* '''Deconstructed''': Can have Bob's stupidity and lack of responsibility has a decisively negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfunctional) family.family. In the end, Alice questions what she even saw in him in the first place and sues for a divorce.

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I don't think this is a good example of someone who's bumbling. This is just a flat-out abusive parent.


* '''Exaggerated''': Bob is an outright JerkAss who is a borderline (if not outright) [[AbusiveParents abusive father]].

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* '''Exaggerated''': Bob is an outright JerkAss incompetent {{manchild}} who is a borderline (if not outright) [[AbusiveParents abusive father]].TooDumbToLive. His wife and kids are [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParent embarrassed]] to be around him.
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** Bob's family is a rather DysfunctionalFamily

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** Bob's family is a rather DysfunctionalFamilyDysfunctionalFamily.



** Bob is a StandardFiftiesFather

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** Bob is a StandardFiftiesFatherStandardFiftiesFather.
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* '''Straight''': Bob means well, but he often grabs the IdiotBall and gets his wife and children into all sorts of [[NiceJobBreakingItHero misadventures with him]]. He is also a very flawed [[ThisLoserIsYou (yet sympathetic)]] individual.

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* '''Straight''': Bob means well, but he often grabs the IdiotBall and gets his wife Alice and their children Carol and Danny into all sorts of [[NiceJobBreakingItHero misadventures with him]]. He is also a very flawed [[ThisLoserIsYou (yet sympathetic)]] individual.



** The family share possession of the IdiotBall pretty fairly, but Bob carries it more than most.

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** The family share possession of the IdiotBall pretty fairly, but Bob carries it more than the most.
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** "[[TheWaltons All]] [[LeaveItToBeaver those]] [[TheBradyBunch perfect]] DomCom families on TV...[[TastesLikeDiabetes they make me sick]]! I'll make a DysfunctionalFamily, with a [[TheFool blithering]] [[TheDitz idiot]] as its head!"

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** "[[TheWaltons "[[Series/TheWaltons All]] [[LeaveItToBeaver [[Series/LeaveItToBeaver those]] [[TheBradyBunch [[Series/TheBradyBunch perfect]] DomCom families on TV...[[TastesLikeDiabetes they make me sick]]! I'll make a DysfunctionalFamily, with a [[TheFool blithering]] [[TheDitz idiot]] as its head!"

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* '''Double Subverted''': But it turns out, he was really that dumb. When he seemed smart, he was FeigningIntelligence

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* '''Double Subverted''': Subverted''':
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But it turns out, he was really that dumb. When he seemed smart, he was FeigningIntelligence
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** Bob really is a genius. However, he is an AbsentMindedProfessor who still needs a CuckoolandersMinder to function.

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** Bob really is a genius. However, he is an AbsentMindedProfessor who still needs a CuckoolandersMinder CloudcuckoolandersMinder to function.
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** Bob really is a genius. However, he is an AbsentMindedProfessor who still needs a CuckoolandersMinder to function.

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* '''Justified''':
** Unfortunately, [[ManChild emotional maturity]] and common sense are not (and never have been) prerequisites for parenthood.
** Bob's family is a rather DysfunctionalFamily



* '''Justified''':
** Unfortunately, [[ManChild emotional maturity]] and common sense are not (and never have been) prerequisites for parenthood.
** Bob's family is a rather DysfunctionalFamily
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* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???Bob deliberately makes it look like he can't do anything right around the house so he doesn't have to.
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* '''Discussed''': ???
* '''Conversed''': ???

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* '''Discussed''': ???
"I hope Bob Jr. doesn't inherit his dad's bumbling tendencies. It'd be a real hassle when we're married."
* '''Conversed''': ???"Seriously? Another bumbling dad show? I'd like to see a competent, take charge father on a sitcom for a change."
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** Alternatively, Alice is an incompetent mom.

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** Alternatively, Alice is an incompetent mom.MaternallyChallenged.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???

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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???Bob is a very loving and attentive father, and he's also extremely good at his job and is an excellent provider. The problem is that he's also as stubborn as a mule when it comes to trying to fix something himself when it breaks down, rather than calling a professional. [[DoomItYourself On those occasions, his competence flies completely out the window.]]

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* '''Downplayed''': The family share possession of the IdiotBall pretty fairly, but Bob carries it more than most.

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* '''Downplayed''': The '''Downplayed''':
**The
family share possession of the IdiotBall pretty fairly, but Bob carries it more than most.most.
**Bob sometimes makes stupid mistakes every now and then, but when disaster strikes, he is [[StandardFiftiesFather the one who protects his family]].



* '''Defied''': Alice breaks up with Bob when she sees that he is too immature to raise a family, and not likely to change any time soon.

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* '''Defied''': Alice '''Defied''':
**Alice
breaks up with Bob when she sees that he is too immature to raise a family, and not likely to change any time soon.
**Alternately, Bob decides, "Enough fooling around; I'm expecting kids
soon.", and spends more time with Alice. He also learns basic household chores from her...
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''Basic Trope''': A comically incompetent father in a DomCom.
* '''Played Straight''': Bob means well, but he often grabs the IdiotBall and gets his wife and children into all sorts of [[NiceJobBreakingItHero misadventures with him]]. He is also a very flawed [[ThisLoserIsYou (yet sympathetic)]] individual.

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''Basic '''Basic Trope''': A comically incompetent father in a DomCom.
* '''Played Straight''': '''Straight''': Bob means well, but he often grabs the IdiotBall and gets his wife and children into all sorts of [[NiceJobBreakingItHero misadventures with him]]. He is also a very flawed [[ThisLoserIsYou (yet sympathetic)]] individual.

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* '''Basic Trope''': A comically incompetent father in a DomCom.
* '''Played Straight''': Bob means well, but he often grabs the IdiotBall and gets his wife and children into all sorts of [[NiceJobBreakingItHero misadventures with him]]. He is also a very flawed [[ThisLoserIsYou (yet sympathetic)]] individual.

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* '''Basic ''Basic Trope''': A comically incompetent father in a DomCom.
* '''Played Straight''': Bob means well, but he often grabs the IdiotBall and gets his wife and children into all sorts of [[NiceJobBreakingItHero misadventures with him]]. He is also a very flawed [[ThisLoserIsYou (yet sympathetic)]] individual.



** Alternatively, Alice is an incompetent mom.

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** Alternatively, Alice is an incompetent mom.



* '''Double Subverted''': But it turns out, he was really that dumb. When he seemed smart, he was FeigningIntelligence
* '''Deconstructed''': Can have a negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfunctional) family.
* '''Reconstructed''': Bob is dumb and irresponsible, but he sincerely loves his family and is capable of stepping up when it's important.

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* '''Double Subverted''': But it turns out, he was really that dumb. When he seemed smart, he was FeigningIntelligence
* '''Deconstructed''': Can have a negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfunctional) family.
* '''Reconstructed''': Bob is dumb and irresponsible, but he sincerely loves his family and is capable of stepping up when it's important.
FeigningIntelligence



** [[WomenAreWiser Alice]] ends up ParentingTheHusband as much as [[FreeRangeChildren (or more than)]] her kids.
* '''Lampshaded''': "He's like all those bumbling dads you see in sitcoms."

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** [[WomenAreWiser Alice]] ends up ParentingTheHusband as much as [[FreeRangeChildren (or more than)]] her kids.
kids.
* '''Lampshaded''': "He's like all those bumbling dads you see in sitcoms."'''Zig Zagged''': ???



* '''Invoked''': Alice specifies in her Lonely Hearts ad that she's looking for a ManChild with whom to settle down and raise kids.

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* '''Lampshaded''': "He's like all those bumbling dads you see in sitcoms."
* '''Invoked''': Alice specifies in her Lonely Hearts ad that she's looking for a ManChild with whom to settle down and raise kids. kids.
* '''Exploited''': ???



* '''Discussed''':
* '''Conversed''':
* '''Played For Laughs''': Almost always is.
* '''Played For Drama''': Bob's mistakes and selfishness negatively affect his family.

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* '''Discussed''':
'''Discussed''': ???
* '''Conversed''':
'''Conversed''': ???
* '''Played For Laughs''': Almost always is.
'''Deconstructed''': Can have a negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfunctional) family.
* '''Reconstructed''': Bob is dumb and irresponsible, but he sincerely loves his family and is capable of stepping up when it's important.
* '''Played For Drama''': Bob's mistakes and selfishness negatively affect his family.


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* '''Invoked''': Alice specifies in her Lonely Hearts ad that she's looking for an AdultChild with whom to settle down and raise kids.

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* '''Invoked''': Alice specifies in her Lonely Hearts ad that she's looking for an AdultChild a ManChild with whom to settle down and raise kids.
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** Unfortunately, [[AdultChild emotional maturity]] and common sense are not (and never have been) prerequisites for parenthood.

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** Unfortunately, [[AdultChild [[ManChild emotional maturity]] and common sense are not (and never have been) prerequisites for parenthood.

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* '''Inverted''': Bob is a StandardFiftiesFather

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* '''Inverted''': '''Inverted''':
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Bob is a StandardFiftiesFather



* '''Justified''': Unfortunately, [[AdultChild emotional maturity]] and common sense are not (and never have been) prerequisites for parenthood.

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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
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Unfortunately, [[AdultChild emotional maturity]] and common sense are not (and never have been) prerequisites for parenthood.



* '''Parodied''': Bob is TheDitz.

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* '''Parodied''': '''Parodied''':
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Bob is TheDitz.



* '''Enforced''': "[[TheWaltons All]] [[LeaveItToBeaver those]] [[TheBradyBunch perfect]] DomCom families on TV...[[TastesLikeDiabetes they make me sick]]! I'll make a DysfunctionalFamily, with a [[TheFool blithering]] [[TheDitz idiot]] as its head!"

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* '''Enforced''': '''Enforced''':
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"[[TheWaltons All]] [[LeaveItToBeaver those]] [[TheBradyBunch perfect]] DomCom families on TV...[[TastesLikeDiabetes they make me sick]]! I'll make a DysfunctionalFamily, with a [[TheFool blithering]] [[TheDitz idiot]] as its head!"

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* '''Downplayed''': The family share possession of the IdiotBall pretty fairly, but Bob carries it more than most.



** Bob's family is a rather DysfunctionalFamily

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** Bob's family is a rather DysfunctionalFamily DysfunctionalFamily



* '''Deconstructed''': Can have a negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfuntional) family.
* '''Reconstructed''': Bob takes parenting classes and reads some self-help books, and becomes a better and more helpful father.

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* '''Deconstructed''': Can have a negative effect on his children and his wife, leading to the [[BigScrewedUpFamily breakdown]] of the (presumably already dysfuntional) dysfunctional) family.
* '''Reconstructed''': Bob takes parenting classes is dumb and reads some self-help books, irresponsible, but he sincerely loves his family and becomes a better and more helpful father.is capable of stepping up when it's important.



* '''Invoked''': Alice marries and has children with Bob, who is an AdultChild.
* '''Defied''': Alice breaks up with Bob when she sees that he is too immature with which to raise a family, and not likely to change any time soon.

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** One of the parents needs to be somewhat on the ball for the sake of ConservationOfCompetence, and you want the characterisations to be relatively consistent rather than a constant game of IdiotBall. You know that every time the dad is shown to be somehow "superior" to his wife, you'll have a protracted battle with the MoralGuardians, but [[DoubleStandard not so the other way around]]. What are you gonna do?
* '''Invoked''': Alice marries and has children specifies in her Lonely Hearts ad that she's looking for an AdultChild with Bob, who is an AdultChild.whom to settle down and raise kids.
* '''Defied''': Alice breaks up with Bob when she sees that he is too immature with which to raise a family, and not likely to change any time soon.
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* '''Parodied''': Bob is TheRalphWiggum

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* '''Parodied''': Bob is TheRalphWiggumTheDitz.
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** [[CloserToEarth Alice]] ends up ParentingTheHusband as much as [[FreeRangeChildren (or more than)]] her kids.

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** [[CloserToEarth [[WomenAreWiser Alice]] ends up ParentingTheHusband as much as [[FreeRangeChildren (or more than)]] her kids.

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* '''Subverted''': Bob is a reasonably competent husband and father.
* '''Double Subverted''': But every once in a while, he grabs the IdiotBall and makes a mistake that affects the rest of the family.

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* '''Subverted''': Bob is a reasonably competent husband and father.
seems dumb, but that was ObfuscatingStupidity.
* '''Double Subverted''': But every once in a while, it turns out, he grabs the IdiotBall and makes a mistake was really that affects the rest of the family.dumb. When he seemed smart, he was FeigningIntelligence



** Bob has no children

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