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** Bob is a DirtyCoward and when being asked whether to be tortured or join the other side, he picks the latter.
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** Bob becomes a villain, but he still hates Alice and is working to bring her down.

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Dewicking Stockholm Syndrome per TRS


** The torture was basically designed to invoke StockholmSyndrome, and involved MoreThanMindControl.



* '''Deconstructed''':
** Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVersusEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[TheDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]] [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.
** [[DentedIron Bob becomes too physically ruined by the torture to be an effective ally,]] even if his StockholmSyndrome induced loyalty is genuine.

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'''Deconstructed''': Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVersusEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[TheDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]] [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.
** [[DentedIron Bob becomes too physically ruined by the torture to be an effective ally,]] even if his StockholmSyndrome induced loyalty is genuine.
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** Bob becomes evil because he wants revenge on whoever tortured him. (He may or may not be misguided as to who he's giving this revenge to.)
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* '''Double Subverted''': However, a RantInducingSlight by one of his allies makes [[DoubleAgent him turn evil for real]] and kill him in a fit of rage…just like [[TheChessmaster Alice]] [[OutGambitted planned.]]

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* '''Double Subverted''': However, a RantInducingSlight rant-inducing slight by one of his allies makes [[DoubleAgent him turn evil for real]] and kill him in a fit of rage…just like [[TheChessmaster Alice]] [[OutGambitted planned.]]
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** The torture also involves a form of [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashing]].
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* '''Enforced''': ???The author wants to send a message about how torture is inhumane.
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'''Alice''': [[CoolAndUnusualPunishment No even after listening to 10 hours of Celine Dion?]]\\

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'''Alice''': [[CoolAndUnusualPunishment No Not even after listening to 10 hours of Celine Dion?]]\\
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** In a CrapsackWorld it is played for BlackComedy from tautologies. [[TheCaliuga King Bob]] decries [[InsaneTrollLogic people who are tortured are evil therefore it is wrong to release them and right to keep on torturing them.]] It is no wonder that anyone subjected to snaps and decides that killing everyone is the best option.

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** In a CrapsackWorld it is played for BlackComedy from tautologies. [[TheCaliuga [[TheCaligula King Bob]] decries [[InsaneTrollLogic people who are tortured are evil therefore it is wrong to release them and right to keep on torturing them.]] It is no wonder that anyone subjected to snaps and decides that killing everyone is the best option.
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** In a CrapsackWorld it is played for BlackComedy from tautologies. [[TheCaliuga King Bob]] decries [[InsaneTrollLogic people who are tortured are evil therefore it is wrong to release them and right to keep on torturing them.]] It is no wonder that anyone subjected to snaps and decides that killing everyone is the best option.
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'''Basic Trope''': A Face-HeelTurn caused by torture.

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'''Basic Trope''': A Face-HeelTurn FaceHeelTurn caused by torture.
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'''Basic Trope''': A face-heel turn caused by torture.

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'''Basic Trope''': A face-heel turn Face-HeelTurn caused by torture.

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** It’s still one less ally to the heroes, and Bob damages their psychological wellbeing just be existing: he’s a physical embodiment of [[MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure.]]

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** It’s still one less ally to the heroes, and Bob damages their psychological wellbeing just be by existing: he’s a physical embodiment of [[MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure.]]
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* '''Subverted''': It seems like Bob’s torture made him join Alice’s side, but when the rest of the heroes arrive he soon betrays her as they always planed.

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* '''Subverted''': It seems like Bob’s torture made him join Alice’s side, but when the rest of the heroes arrive he soon betrays her as they always planed.planned.



** Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVersusEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[TheDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]][[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.

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** Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVersusEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[TheDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]][[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters opportunity,]] [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.
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** Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVsEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[TheDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]][[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.

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** Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVsEvil evil…[[EvilVersusEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[TheDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]][[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.
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** Alice is trying to PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery, and is trying to inflict the same tortures on Bob that she regularly experiences so he will understand why she is going to such lengths.
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** Bob doesn't become a villain specifically through the torture, but it does make him cynical and begins his StartOfDarkness towards it.
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* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???Bob is TheMole, and fakes cracking under torture to integrate himself to Alice.
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* '''Discussed''': "The tortured often become dependant on their captors…if only to make the pain stop."

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* '''Discussed''': "The tortured often become dependant dependent on their captors…if only to make the pain stop."

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* '''Exaggerated''': It takes the space of five minutes to make Bob switch.

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It takes the space of five minutes to make Bob switch.



* '''Downplayed''': DefeatMeansFriendship

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DefeatMeansFriendship



* '''Justified''': The torture was basically designed to invoke StockholmSyndrome, and involved MoreThanMindControl.

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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
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The torture was basically designed to invoke StockholmSyndrome, and involved MoreThanMindControl.



* '''Inverted''': Alice is tortured, and [[TheAtoner then seeks redemption for her previous crimes.]]

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Alice is tortured, and [[TheAtoner then seeks redemption for her previous crimes.]]



* '''Double Subverted''': However, a RantInducingSlight by one of his allies makes [[DoubleAgent him turn evil for real]] and kill him in a fit of rage…just like [[TheChessmaster Alice]] [[OutGambited planned.]]

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* '''Double Subverted''': However, a RantInducingSlight by one of his allies makes [[DoubleAgent him turn evil for real]] and kill him in a fit of rage…just like [[TheChessmaster Alice]] [[OutGambited [[OutGambitted planned.]]



-->'''Bob''': I’ll never join you! Never!
-->'''Alice''': [[CoolAndUnusualPunishment No even after listening to 10 hours of Celine Dion?]]
-->'''Bob''': [[DirtyCoward …So, when do I start?]]

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-->'''Bob''': I’ll never join you! Never!
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Never!\\
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Dion?]]\\
'''Bob''':
[[DirtyCoward …So, when do I start?]]



* '''Lampshaded''': “Why are you fighting me? I’m not the one who tormented you!”

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* '''Lampshaded''': '''Lampshaded''':
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“Why are you fighting me? I’m not the one who tormented you!”



* '''Invoked''': Alice thinks that she and Bob [[WeCanRuleTogether can rule together,]] and {{Yandere decides to show it the only way she knows how.}}

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* '''Invoked''': Alice thinks that she and Bob [[WeCanRuleTogether can rule together,]] and {{Yandere [[{{Yandere}} decides to show it the only way she knows how.}}]]



* '''Deconstructed''': Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVsEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[TheDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]][[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.

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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Implied''': Bob is covered in scars and bondage gear, seems to have a manic fear of Alice despite being her loyal underling, and Alice is a well-known TortureTechnician.
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Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVsEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[TheDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]][[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.



* '''Reconstructed''': [[XanatosGambit This is what Alice wanted all along]]; A WildCard, that unwillingly runs inference for her actual plans and [[WoundedGazelleGambit makes it seem like she’s on the back foot.]]

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[[XanatosGambit This is what Alice wanted all along]]; A WildCard, that unwillingly runs inference for her actual plans and [[WoundedGazelleGambit makes it seem like she’s on the back foot.]]



* '''Implied''': Bob is covered in scars and bondage gear, seems to have a manic fear of Alice despite being her loyal underling, and Alice is a well-known TortueTechnician.



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* '''Discussed''': The tortured often become dependant on their captors…if only to make the pain stop.

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* '''Discussed''': The "The tortured often become dependant on their captors…if only to make the pain stop."

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** Bob becomes an AntiHero or AntiVillain rather than full evil.



-->’’’Bob’’’: I’ll never join you! Never!
-->’’’Alice’’’: [[CoolAndUnusualPunishment No even after listening to 10 hours of Celine Dion?]]
-->’’’Bob’’’: [[DirtyCoward …So, when do I start?]]

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-->’’’Bob’’’: -->'''Bob''': I’ll never join you! Never!
-->’’’Alice’’’: -->'''Alice''': [[CoolAndUnusualPunishment No even after listening to 10 hours of Celine Dion?]]
-->’’’Bob’’’: -->'''Bob''': [[DirtyCoward …So, when do I start?]]

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* '''Invoked''': Alice thinks that she and Bob [[WeCanRuleTogether can rule together,]] and [[Yandere decides to show it the only way she knows how.]]

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* '''Invoked''': Alice thinks that she and Bob [[WeCanRuleTogether can rule together,]] and [[Yandere {{Yandere decides to show it the only way she knows how.]]}}



** [[DentedIron Bob becomes too physically ruined by the torture to be an effective ally,]] even if his Stockholm-Syndrome induced loyalty is genuine.

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** [[DentedIron Bob becomes too physically ruined by the torture to be an effective ally,]] even if his Stockholm-Syndrome StockholmSyndrome induced loyalty is genuine.


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* '''Implied''': Bob is covered in scars and bondage gear, seems to have a manic fear of Alice despite being her loyal underling, and Alice is a well-known TortueTechnician.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVsEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[theDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]][[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.

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* '''Deconstructed''': Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVsEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[theDogBitesBack [[TheDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]][[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.
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** It’s still one less ally to the heroes, and Bob damages their psychological wellbeing just be existing: he’s a physical embodiment of 99MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure.]]

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** It’s still one less ally to the heroes, and Bob damages their psychological wellbeing just be existing: he’s a physical embodiment of 99MyGreatestFailure [[MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure.]]



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'''Basic Trope''': A face-heel turn caused by torture.
* '''Straight''': Bob is tortured by Alice, which eventually makes him turn to her side.
* '''Exaggerated''': It takes the space of five minutes to make Bob switch.
**Alice got all her allies this way.
* '''Downplayed''': DefeatMeansFriendship
** Bob becomes a broken man and does not quite join Alice, but doesn’t have any will to oppose her ether.
* '''Justified''': The torture was basically designed to invoke StockholmSyndrome, and involved MoreThanMindControl.
**Bob was already considering leaving the group, but the stress of torture, along with the fact he was abandoned by his supposed friends, is enough to push him over the edge.
* '''Inverted''': Alice is tortured, and [[TheAtoner then seeks redemption for her previous crimes.]]
** MistreatmentInducedBetrayal.
* '''Subverted''': It seems like Bob’s torture made him join Alice’s side, but when the rest of the heroes arrive he soon betrays her as they always planed.
* '''Double Subverted''': However, a RantInducingSlight by one of his allies makes [[DoubleAgent him turn evil for real]] and kill him in a fit of rage…just like [[TheChessmaster Alice]] [[OutGambited planned.]]
* '''Parodied''':
-->’’’Bob’’’: I’ll never join you! Never!
-->’’’Alice’’’: [[CoolAndUnusualPunishment No even after listening to 10 hours of Celine Dion?]]
-->’’’Bob’’’: [[DirtyCoward …So, when do I start?]]
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* '''Averted''': No torture is performed.
* '''Enforced''': ???
* '''Lampshaded''': “Why are you fighting me? I’m not the one who tormented you!”
** “I will share my pain with the WORLD!”
* '''Invoked''': Alice thinks that she and Bob [[WeCanRuleTogether can rule together,]] and [[Yandere decides to show it the only way she knows how.]]
* '''Exploited''': ???
* '''Defied''': Bob tells Alice to her face that that’s not how torture works, and the second he’s rescued he returns to fighting her.
* '''Discussed''': The tortured often become dependant on their captors…if only to make the pain stop.
* '''Conversed''': “On one hand I don’t think that’s really a realistic reaction to torture, but at the same time I don’t think I could hold out, if I was in Bob’s shoes.”
* '''Deconstructed''': Bob may have turned evil…[[EvilVsEvil But that doesn’t make him loyal.]] [[theDogBitesBack As soon as he has the power and the opportunity,]][[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters he turns against his master,]] and starts rampaging on his own.
**[[DentedIron Bob becomes too physically ruined by the torture to be an effective ally,]] even if his Stockholm-Syndrome induced loyalty is genuine.
* '''Reconstructed''': [[XanatosGambit This is what Alice wanted all along]]; A WildCard, that unwillingly runs inference for her actual plans and [[WoundedGazelleGambit makes it seem like she’s on the back foot.]]
** It’s still one less ally to the heroes, and Bob damages their psychological wellbeing just be existing: he’s a physical embodiment of 99MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure.]]
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